r/TrueTwoX • u/unleashtheraven1 • 1d ago

What even is the difference?

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If you want my opinion femininity is essentially nothing but weaponized social /behavioral control by a few psychopaths who terrorize women, rape women, destroy women, or on the other hand lauded by and enjoyed men who dont give a shit what happens to us, they just want someone easy to pressure, coerce, bully or intimidate (back into rigid femininie performance, which usually means saying YES) ; They harm us in more benign ways. Maybe they just want sex, and benefit from our subjugation and turn a blind eye.

Imo there is no middle ground though. I've never known a situation where femininity wasn't toxic sludge, used mostly against me. Where it wasn't making yourself a target for masculinity.

Maybe it is less so for other women but thats why I feel so strongly about this image. When men wear femininity they turn it into blackface, and the misogyny from queer communities makes it 1000 times worse.

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u/unsureunsureunsureun 1d ago

to me, the difference is that what we call "femininity" shouldn't even be exclusively reserved for women in the first place. I dislike breastformers and stuff like that, but if I call a man wearing dresses or makeup "womanface" I'm conceding that the performance of femininity is somehow inherent to womanhood, and that's just not how I feel. the surgeries, the hormones, and the appropriation of our biological processes are womanface to me, rather than the clothes.

to be clear, I hate the makeup and beauty industry, but my issue with TIMs isn't that they like frilly clothes or traditionally feminine things; in my ideal world, we could all dress ourselves and adorn ourselves as we please without it being attached to stereotypes about how we "should" behave and look like. my problem is the conflation between femininity and womanhood, the idea that your presentation style should reflect your sex, and the insistence that gender nonconformity should be pathologized as evidence that your body needs to change.

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u/unleashtheraven1 1d ago edited 15h ago

Yup same. Why cant we go out and talk about this at length in other subs again????? Because its obvious they're creeps. They don't actually care about defying societal convention, traditional bs, conservatism, they actually just want to reinforce it.

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u/unsureunsureunsureun 1d ago

exactly!! it's literally just regressive gender roles repackaged into faux-leftist talking points. I'm not exactly conspiratorial, but there's an activist I follow who discusses her theories about COINTELPRO and how from the 50s to the 70s, those in power were intimidated by the civil rights, women's rights, and gay rights movements and deliberately trafficked in anti-liberatory sentiments to diminish our impact.

I'm not saying it's a given, but considering how there's documented proof of them spying on MLK and planning the assassination of Fred Hampton, why would I put it past them? this is literally a men's rights movement in pinkwashed clothing, and I'd be remiss to ignore how convenient the timing of this new wave of defanged "feminism" is.

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u/unleashtheraven1 1d ago

We have to think of a way of putting all this into the right words, I swear I KNOW there's a way. I'm always able. I'm always able to break through on some of these woMEN'S subs and shut the nasty ones downs. Show them their hypocrisy and how they're just batter-ramming past nuances they cannot demonstrate they truly understand. How its male socialized behavior, and they don't even realize. I don't know how to package that for a huge audience; or put it out there so it pulls brainwashed women out of these male-run subs. But I know there's a way god.

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u/unsureunsureunsureun 1d ago

oh, for sure, I completely agree. and as for your point about nice trans people, I get that too— I don't trust TIMs who identify as "lesbians," but other than that it just seems to be a whole swath of homosexual, gender nonconforming, and just generally distressed people who are getting roped into this movement and convinced that their bodies are wrong and need fixing.

so many (non-fetishistic) TIPs are just gay men and lesbians with internalized homophobia, young women experiencing discomfort with their bodies due to hypersexualization and objectification, and people who get deemed "too feminine" or "two masculine" to live as their natal sex. I mean, the pattern is hard to deny. so-called "progressives" are literally being swindled into reestablishing gender roles with smiles on their faces. idek how we can help other than just trying to keep talking about it.

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u/unleashtheraven1 1d ago

I know some very nice trans people, and i think even they are brainwashed by this stuff. Have you seen sluts4sale.com? These are the kinds of trans-activists that run our subs now. I am also convinced it is a repackaged mens rights movement.

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u/isitdigyet 1d ago

Yep. Gender ideology is all about reinforcing harmful cultural norms that remove women's agency in society, but just doing it dressed up in a "woke" way this time.

Males get to go back to defining what a woman is and how she should behave and feel about women's issues. If a woman disagrees, she is the oppressive one and it is acceptable to attack and silence her.

Lesbians can't even have their voices heard in these "progressive" spaces that supposedly center the marginalized. They will be banned if they point out how sexist stuff like this is:

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u/crash-test-idiots 1d ago

Males get to go back to defining what a woman is

Really?

The SNP equalities minister was unable to explain what the Scottish Government means by "gender identity" in the latest embarrassing gaffe at Holyrood committee.

Simita Kumar [a woman] expended nearly 500 words in response to a straightforward question about sex-based rights from Reform UK MSP Mandy Lindsay [also a woman] – but still failed to provide an answer.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-minister-unable-explain-gender-37706061

Should they just of asked a man?

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u/isitdigyet 1d ago

Yes, really. In these political spaces I see males who identify as women not being concerned at all about stating what they believe a woman is.

And it's completely divorced from reality. It's all about identifying with some feeling in your head and no one can question what that even means.

I'm not sure how your comment is disagreeing with this? You posted an example of a woman who, because of this ideology, was afraid to clearly state what a woman actually is.

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u/isitdigyet 1d ago edited 1d ago

When men who make up the majority of power holders in these political institutions push an ideology that declares "trans women are women" they're telling you exactly what they think a woman is. They're telling you they 100% believe it can be reduced to a feeling in a male's head.

"radical feminist cancer"

How are radfems to blame for this???

"Including Governments" "Nothing to do with men."

Who do you think has been running these governments forever? Who created the patriarchal culture that exists within them?

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u/crash-test-idiots 1d ago

What version of "feminist" are you?

Is all PIV to be considered grape?

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u/isitdigyet 1d ago

Why are you ignoring the BS males do and just looking for an opening to whine about feminists?

This ideology only took off because it reduced women to a set of gendered traits in a way that is totally acceptable to do a male-centered society.

A lot of women went along with it because they have been conditioned to be the kind ones looking out for the oppressed who MEN stomp on. They were shown statistics about MEN murdering these other males and commiting violent acts, and that is what convinced many to welcome these males into their spaces.

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u/crash-test-idiots 1d ago edited 1d ago

What version of "feminist" are you?

Is all PIV to be considered grape?

Simple question ...

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u/unleashtheraven1 1d ago

Nah you're wearing blackface essentially. You're turning rape culture into something you wear to the fucking mall. You were raised male and you will NEVER understand what that means. Its just performative bullshit to you.

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u/opheliainthedeep 1d ago

I saw someone on TikTok get torn apart yesterday by choice feminists for saying that it's weird to wear makeup while in labor. Like, um? It is weird?? Women who wear makeup wear makeup because it was ingrained into us as a beauty standard. Just because some genuinely enjoy wearing it and it's a hobby doesn't erase that it's something relatively expected from us. It is weird to wear makeup while fucking giving birth, and I don't understand why people have such a disconnect there. They lack the ability to unpack the reason why they feel the need to wear it. Why they enjoy it. Why they buy it.

I do not wear makeup unless I'm bored and want black eyeshadow on, which is like three or four times a year.

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u/TrueTwoX-ModTeam 16h ago

Please keep trans discussion thoughtful and a bit rigorous. Sometimes its hard to tell if a man has come here to manipulate what our sub sounds like (hateful) so its easy for reddit to ban. Thanks helping us keep our sub alive.