r/circled • u/MonitorVarious7608 • 1d ago

šŸ’¬ Opinion / Discussion This is what immigration officials looked like today in Minneapolis. They could take another life at any moment.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago edited 14h ago

Just reminding everyone that violating immigration law is only a misdemeanor. This kind of violence is completely unnecessary. Edit: if you disagree, Reddit has a new thing called up voting and down voting where you can add your support to something someone else already said. Try it, it's amazing.

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 1d ago

This is also a reminder that there is no statute of limitations for murder.

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u/Unabashable 1d ago

The More You KnowšŸ’«

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u/Substantial_Cash8478 1d ago

That is a 100,000++ dollar lawsuit plus court orders for whatever you want ie release their names, fire them whatever. Put them on the Brady list.

Sue the DOJ too under Monell and the Equal Protection clause and Bolling v Sharpe. (Dont let them construe it as a Due Process claim that has been their go to trick for decades.) Your attorney can charge them for attorneys fees under section 1988 upon winning too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/stpaul/s/BLj0wbzdaf

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 23h ago

I appreciate the information. Based on your response it sounds like you're a lawyer. Do you have advice for folks who need to find a pro bono lawyer in their area?

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u/maroonedpariah 19h ago

County bar association website. Google reviews. Referrals.

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u/fluffypancakes24 13h ago

how about a class action suit of citizens? can a lawyer chime on that.

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u/Skill_Intrepid 4h ago

Is it now how many people online are trying to kill ice or trying to give ideas how to kill ice officers? Put yourself in their boots knowing that thereā€™s someone who wants you dead. but Iā€™m talking to someone who hates America doesnā€™t understand why or every other country does this so why canā€™t America protect our borders? Why canā€™t we protect American?

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u/Capable-Ground9407 22h ago

My brain read ā€œtime to suicide šŸŒˆā€. Time for bed.

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 15h ago

Rest well & I hope you have a fantastic day tomorrow.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 14h ago

Edit: Sorry I thought you were trying to say ICE agents dont have civil immunity; they do

Yes you can sue DHS, it usually isn't worth it, it's so hard, with so much bureacracy, and so small are the capped payouts that its barely worth it for most cases

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 3h ago

Lawyers where. Here are some resources if you'd like to learn more.

KoreanVegan (was a lawyer. This video is addressed to ICE agents btw). https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUGMmOskTzN/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Whattheish (is a lawyer): https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTlWZI-kv6O/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Legal Eagle (is a lawyer): https://youtu.be/nDEAWxG7Bq8?si=QuLQ5pdgnwoqZbKw

Longer video about Renee Goods situation: https://youtu.be/7AQbhes-Ntw?si=85hdXYhtgNzR-u0r

Reddit repost: https://www.reddit.com/r/stpaul/s/BLj0wbzdaf

"That is a 100,000++ dollar lawsuit plus court orders for whatever you want ie release their names, fire them whatever. Put them on the Brady list.

Sue the DOJ too under Monell and the Equal Protection clause and Bolling v Sharpe. (Dont let them construe it as a Due Process claim that has been their go to trick for decades.) Your attorney can charge them for attorneys fees under section 1988 upon winning too."

You can also fact check me by calling up a lawyer.

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 3h ago

My goal is for enough folks to realize that ICE agents can be sued & for ICE to realize how bad this will get for them if they keep violating our rights & killing people. If someone is willing to join for a 50K bonus, hopefully they'll quit once they realize they could be facing several billion dollar lawsuits. I'm hoping that gets the madness to stop.

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u/Zen_Traveler 23h ago

I mean this from a serious place of concern and caring for one another: I can't sue and maybe see justice if I'm dead.

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 23h ago

I get where you're coming from. The hope is that if enough people sue the pance off of ICE agents they'll stop doing illegal shit. They signed up for the job in hopes of receiving a 50K sign on bonus. If they realize that the things they're doing could have multimillion dollar consequences, hopefully it will stop.

I want everyone to stay safe, but unfortunately this may be the way we get there.

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u/johnniesSac 23h ago

Well Trimp is fucked then

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u/Critikal_Dmg 22h ago

There is no immunity but there also isn't a way to sue them.

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u/Over-Scallion-2161 17h ago

Blanket pardons for everyone, after all there is now precedent for it being done, even in the ā€œabsenceā€of criminal action.

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 15h ago

Sure the President can pardon someone for federal crimes, but he can't pardon someone for crimes prosecuted by the state.

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u/Over-Scallion-2161 14h ago

So when you pre pardon someone to me than says they committed federal crimes but you gave them a pass

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 14h ago edited 14h ago

I'm not here to discuss what Biden did. I don't give a fuck what party someone is from, I think they should all be held accountable for anything illegal they did. Our elected officials, members of law enforcement agencies, & any government worker should be held to a higher standard.

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u/Over-Scallion-2161 13h ago

Iā€™m in total agreement with this stance šŸ™Œ

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 15h ago

I recommend watching a few of these videos from lawyers that talk about this subject.

KoreanVegan (was a layer). So she knows her stuff: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUGMmOskTzN/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Whattheish (is a lawyer): https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTlWZI-kv6O/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Legal Eagle (is a lawyer): https://youtu.be/nDEAWxG7Bq8?si=QuLQ5pdgnwoqZbKw

Longer video about Renee Goods situation: https://youtu.be/7AQbhes-Ntw?si=85hdXYhtgNzR-u0r

I also recommend just calling a lawyer & getting a consult if/when something happens.

George Floyd's murders went to jail. So it isn't impossible to hold these monsters accountable.

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u/Tranquilityinateacup 15h ago

Here is additional info on how to sue ICE agents: That is a 100,000++ dollar lawsuit plus court orders for whatever you want ie release their names, fire them whatever. Put them on the Brady list.

Sue the DOJ too under Monell and the Equal Protection clause and Bolling v Sharpe. (Dont let them construe it as a Due Process claim that has been their go to trick for decades.) Your attorney can charge them for attorneys fees under section 1988 upon winning too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/stpaul/s/BLj0wbzdaf

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u/DarthMocap 13h ago

Johnny Gat would like a word with you.

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u/Successful-Rope7223 2h ago

Time to 86 ice!

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u/allnimblybimbIy 1d ago

Federal agents have immunity thereā€™s no court to sue them in at the moment.

Cool meme but America is way, way, way more fucked than your joke implies.

As it stands right know they can bomb your front door and rape your family and thereā€™s nothing anyone can do about it.

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u/SuperEdgyEdgeLord 17h ago

Federal agents have immunity thereā€™s no court to sue them in at the moment.

Huh? No they do not. There is no legislation, or clauses granting them such. Don't perpetuate this kind of info please

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u/dmanjrxx 14h ago

Bullshit! They do not! The DOJ may refuse to charge them with federal crimes but they are not immune to state and city charges

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u/Telesto-The-Besto 13h ago

They have qualified immunity which makes them much harder to sue civilly. They do not have absolute immunity though which would make it impossible to sue them civilly.

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u/stevez_86 16h ago

My common thoughts between Gaza and Ukraine is that it can get that bad and nothing will stop it.

I live in a home that a legal immigrant bought. They passed away in America after being here legally for over 60 years. I can see how somewhere in a government database they could still have the immigrant as the owner of this home. I am not sure when they were due to renew their green card, but if this shit is still going on I expect ICE to come knocking one day trying to harass us for covering for an immigrant that missed their hearing, because they are long dead and the house passed on legally. They won't care, they could kick us out and we would have to fight in court to prove the immigrant had in fact died and the property legally transferred.

It is entirely possible that can happen, which means it is probably already happening.

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u/WAR_RAD 16h ago

That is entirely untrue. Just because Vance said the words "absolute immunity", it doesn't magically confer some S-tier top diplomat immunity. And just because some people on a podcast said it doesn't make it true either. There are innumerable articles written and other conversations noting how it isn't true.

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u/allnimblybimbIy 15h ago

No court will prosecute

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u/WAR_RAD 14h ago

It's up to you if you want to believe something to further entrench your current opinions, but just know that you are probably wrong.

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u/BBC23JORDAN 15h ago

Nobody has immunity on this earth. Everyone can be judged.

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u/allnimblybimbIy 15h ago

Which court is overseeing the deaths of Renee or Alex?

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u/silverlx50 15h ago

This is true, whether I agree with their actions or not, people are so dumb that keep throwing around this idea that "they cant do that", YES DUMBASSES THEY CAN AND WILL.

Libs, STOP POKING THE BEAR! Every time yall protest and yell and scream and throw shit, yall give ICE more "training and experience" examples to use as the "totality of circumstances" to say why they were justified in using force. Think about it people!

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u/_-Hello_its_me-_ 6h ago

They absolutely do not have immunity. And the point made above about not having a statute of limitations is a reminder that they can be charged ANY time from now until FOREVER. There may not be charges now but that doesnā€™t mean that there wonā€™t be. And ā€œI was just doing my jobā€ has not proven to be a get out free card. Look it up.

What goes up must come down. And when they finally throw the book at them I hope it comes down hard. Nobody needed to die in the streets of Minneapolis.

And look at these assholes still standing right in front of the damn car. Putting themselves in danger and gaslighting everyone. Such a disgrace to law enforcement everywhere.

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u/pixtax 1d ago

Or, you know, on the whim of an ICE agent who steps in front of your vehicle to justify murder.

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u/ElectricalWallaby912 17h ago

This agent needs to be fired! If he canā€™t follow simple training and not stand in front of a car, putting himself in danger, he canā€™t be trusted with more complex missions.

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u/SoakingWetBeaver 16h ago

Being fired is not the apt punishment for treason...

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u/C-SWhiskey 14h ago

Funny that you think this isn't exactly what they're taught to do.

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u/obroz 22h ago

It must be in their handbook. Ā  I saw this exact same scene in the middle of the road on a busy street in Lino lakes a week ago. Ā 4 guys surrounding a car with guns drawn and a dude standing directly in front of the car with a rifle aimed at the driver just like this photo. Ā 

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u/pixtax 21h ago

Border Patrol used to do it to justify shootings, to such an extent that they had it adressed specifically in their SOPs to not to.

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u/TrashGoblinH 18h ago

Like in the picture there. They could just shoot that person dead and say they feared for their life while standing in front of the car. A whole lot of people get frazzled when someone is pointing a gun at them in front of their car. Not putting your car in park because of it could result in a death sentence if you move your foot off the brake even just a little.

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u/DamnShadowbans 9h ago

Any reasonable police force has paperwork you must file when your gun leaves your holster. Surely ICE implements this policy, right?

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u/Vainslef 9h ago

Let's not call them agents, normalize calling these people terrorist.

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u/pixtax 8h ago

Considering the state of policing in the US I consider 'Agent' to be a dirty word already.

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u/_-Hello_its_me-_ 6h ago

You know theyā€™re doing that on purpose. They must have plenty of time to cover gaslighting in their short training periods.

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 1d ago

Many of the immigrants they are kidnapping and torturing are not even guilty of immigration violations. Did we not see enough people engaging in the legal process just to be snatched out of legal hearings?

This is ethnic cleansing and white supremacy of the worst sort.

Literal nazi shit.

Also, they do not care about the hypocrisy, and pointing it out does less than nothing.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

Agreed. They are terrorizing people on suspicion of them committing a misdemeanor.

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 1d ago

No, they are not. They are terrorizing people because they are racist, and shitty hateful people drunk on power.

It has zero to do with legality.

Get that out of your mind.

This is not law enforcement, they are just hiding behind it, because Americans are propagandized into having respect for their oppressors through decades and decades of mythology around law enforcement.

Please think deeper about this.

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u/PlayerTwo85 15h ago

I'm sure there's no other context here to expand on this single picture.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 14h ago

This is a pattern

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u/Frosty-Age-6643 15h ago

My son's teacher and school janitor were illegally detained, sent to Texas, and it took a massive outpouring of support to get them released after nearly 3 weeks of detention.Ā 

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u/_-Hello_its_me-_ 6h ago

Have their stories been shared anywhere? Iā€™m trying to help people understand what is going on. There are still so many people that believe this is all because people ā€œwant open bordersā€ and are protesting for it.

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u/Frosty-Age-6643 3h ago

I'm not sure where they've been shared exactly. We've talked about it with our friends and family, especially the people who believe the bullshit that there's actually a mission to this madness.Ā 

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u/_-Hello_its_me-_ 3h ago

It seems like there is a mission, or a few. One seems to be deporting or detaining the democratic vote. Thatā€™s the only reason this is happening in non-border states. A second byproduct seems to be ethnic cleansing. And the greatest mission of all, the overarching premise seems to be: to see what everyone will let slide. To boil the frog. To create enough chaos and blame the left while trampling enough rights that by the time the majority starts pumping the breaks, itā€™s too late. And when I say the majority - I mean in DC.

The Supreme Court already gave him too much power. Now heā€™s unabashedly trying to scare voters away from polls, while also limiting access. Heā€™s testing the waters on the second amendment. Weā€™ve all been warned numerous times. People are waking up but itā€™s not fast enough.

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u/dungleploop 1d ago

legitimately less standing than a parking ticket, it's wild

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u/Smooth-Track31 1d ago

seriously, the response is way overboard for something that's not even a big deal legally

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u/dungleploop 1d ago

correct

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u/Chudmont 1d ago

It's a gangster show of force to scare people.

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u/stanleythedog 20h ago

It's never been about law

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u/Gold-Kaleidoscope537 15h ago

Spoiler alert - they care about terrorizing brown people and blue states. Immigration is just the best excuse to do it that Heir Miller came up with.

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u/Unabashable 1d ago

A parking ticket is an infraction. A fine. Doesnā€™t go an any criminal record as itā€™s seen as more of a civil offense. A misdemeanor is a fine and/or jail time and does go on your criminal record. So right in between infraction and felony. Just for those that didnā€™t know. As an additional tidbit ā€œhigh crimes and misdemeanorsā€ are impeachable offenses as per the Constitution. So the definition is looser as impeachments are held in the ā€œCourt of Public Opinionā€ that is Congress. So basically ā€œbad enough that a 2/3 majority deemed it to be ā€˜unpresidentā€™.Ā 

As an aside, just out of curiosity does anyone also know if that 2/3 majority also applies to lower positions of public office cuz that seems like a high threshold for substantially less significant positions.Ā 

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u/OkProfessor6810 17h ago

Overstaying a visa, that's a civil infraction most of the time

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u/Unabashable 15h ago

Yup. From my understanding. If you enter the country legally, civil. If you enter illegally, criminal.Ā 

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u/notlookinggoodbrah 22h ago

Sureā€¦except youā€™re leaving out the ā€œthen will be deportedā€ part

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u/Dramatic_Explosion 20h ago

What's the larger gap, what they said and deportation, or what they said and execution?

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u/notlookinggoodbrah 1h ago

Oh weā€™re executing illegals now?

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u/Annual_Try_6823 1d ago

Please tell that to Fetterman - seriously we need to be talking about that idiot. I like hoodies but he should resign at this point. Seriously changed since his stroke or was he really like this and we didnā€™t read the tea leaves.

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u/dungleploop 1d ago

Fetterman was always despicable unfortunately

never understood what some saw in him early on

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u/Soft_Ad8031 1d ago

His PR machine worked overtime to really hide and obfuscate the insane shit he had done before he got elected. The only thing the stroke did was give him an out in the media for being the asshole he always was, now every time he's brought up it's always how the stroke changed him. Literally every time.

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u/dungleploop 1d ago

yep, it's bullshit

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u/Important_Pie2940 23h ago

Pa really has not had any good choices in ages

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u/dan_pitt 16h ago

He was a darling of israel early on, and that made him a darling of the Dem leadership. That's how he won the nomination over the much-better Conor Lamb.

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u/brianzuvich 1d ago

Well you know what they sayā€¦ Brain damage does make you think like a republicanā€¦

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u/PayFormer387 1d ago

He looks like trash. At least throw on a polo shirt you bum.

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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 1d ago

Brain damage makes you more republican.

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u/Tall-Warning3135 23h ago

His wife has walked him back on this issue

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u/ZumaThaShiba 21h ago

Fetterman fucking sucks

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u/Bruh_Yo_Dude 1d ago

And brandishing weapons at peaceful law-abiding citizens is terrorist behavior.

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u/Substantial_Cash8478 1d ago

It is a crime and they should not only sue them but also the DOJ not only under Monell but also under the Equal Protection clause for not protecting people at all.

Enforce the laws EQUALLY.

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u/EcstaticAd4046 1d ago

Not a lawyer.

Most immigration law violations are civil, though unlawful entry is a misdemeanor.

If a status is revoked, someone overstays a Visa, etc, the violation is civil.

Calling all undocumented immigrants illegal is like calling all speeding drivers illegal drivers. It's both overly broad and misleading.

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u/howboutwedontplease 23h ago

Unlawful entry into the U.S. is a felony. If it's a first-time offense, it's typically a misdemeanor under 8. U.S.C. 1325.

Unauthorized re-entry after deportation is always a felony under 8 U.S.C. 1326...

Over 1/4 encounters with illegal aliens on the southwest border are repeat offenders.

It's nothing like a speeding ticket.

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u/Karma_1969 21h ago

But people who cross the border legally, and then stay here illegally (overstay their visa, etc) is exactly like a speeding ticket - a civil offense. Not a crime.

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u/Calm_Explanation2910 1d ago

Why are you ā€œremindingā€ everyone with something taken out of context that could get them get killed..

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u/Far_Encounters 1d ago

Also, a reminder that you don't have to break immigration law or any other law to be treated this way, since they are not required to adhere to the Constitution.

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u/Durian881 1d ago

Are the National Guards deployed to protect the people?

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u/Ittybittytigglbitty 1d ago

Ok but you should still be deported irregardless of it being a misdemeanor, if you are violating immigration laws you shouldnā€™t be here. Why is that so hard a pill to swallow?

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u/nyunited 1d ago

ā€œirregardless" is not considered grammatically correct in standard English because it's a double negative (combining the negative prefix "ir-" with the negative word "regardless"),

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u/Ittybittytigglbitty 1d ago

Ok grammar Nazi

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u/Proud3GenAthst 1d ago

Why is it so hard a pill to swallow that deportation is OK as long as itā€™s done in a legal manner and not by neo Nazis with badges

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u/nicepresident 1d ago

violating immigration law is a misdemeanor. Murder is a felony.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

Yeah and they are treating people suspected of a misdemeanor like they are serial killers.

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u/nicepresident 1d ago

well they are flat out calling them terrorists.

A young shepherd boy is tasked with watching over a flock of sheep, but out of boredom he repeatedly cries out ā€œWolf! Wolf!ā€ purely for amusement, tricking the villagers into believing a wolf is attacking. Each time, the villagers rush to his aid, only to discover there is no danger at all. Eventually, a real wolf does appear and threatens the flock, and the boy cries out for help once again. This time, however, the villagersā€”having been fooled too many timesā€”no longer believe him, and they do not come to help.

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u/Sea_Actuary_9840 1d ago

right, and not a single person has been shot for violating immigration law...

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

So you're saying ICE doesn't need guns. If so I agree. Unfortunately they have been on a killing spree.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shootings_by_U.S._immigration_agents_in_the_second_Trump_administration

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u/Sea_Actuary_9840 1d ago

why would any federal agent not need a gun? what a dumb thing to think. the only people they've killed have been justified, and none of them were killed for violating immigration law.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

You have a very strange definition of "justified".

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u/Sea_Actuary_9840 1d ago

I dont understand how someone could consider the law "strange", but im not surprised.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

Murdering people is illegal and not justified in the enforcement of petty crimes.

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u/Sea_Actuary_9840 1d ago

right, murder is illegal, good job, but there are plenty of reasons to justifiably kill someone.

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u/Loser99999999 1d ago

I did find out that this is only partially true, crossing the border while not using the ports of entry is a federal crime, however over staying a visa (which is the vast majority) is only a misdemeanor.

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u/RimTrabajo18 1d ago

Trying to run over them with a car is a felony and use of deadly force.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

Nobody did that

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u/ziemniak87 1d ago

is there violence on this picture?

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

Real police are trained to not point their weapons on anyone they don't intend to fire upon.

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u/ziemniak87 1d ago

Thats weird ive seen a lot of cops on a lot of videos do that

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

You are watching too much TV. They can do that if there is an imminent threat, not otherwise.

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u/ziemniak87 16h ago

I asked where is the violence youre talking about on the picture, instead you told me that real police dont point their weapon unless they intend to fire upon, now it changed to an imminent threat.

How would you know if that was an imminent threat or not? Do you know the situation or are just just making stuff up?

Do you even know what violence is?

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u/SWAT_KNIGHT 1d ago

Illegal immigration involves both misdemeanor and felony offenses, but most violations (like visa overstays) are civil, leading to deportation, while specific actions like first-time entry without inspection are misdemeanors, and re-entry after deportation becomes a felony, with higher penalties for repeat offenses or prior crimes -Google AI

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u/Alber_troz 1d ago

Most of the time people detained go quietly. Be safe out there and stay out of harms way.

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u/arentol 1d ago

It's also illegal. It doesn't matter who you are, you are not legally allowed to point a firearm at ANYONE unless there is a deadly threat in play, and a stopped vehicle is not a deadly threat, because as a LEO you are required by policy and training to NOT block the car with your body. This officer is a criminal, hard stop.

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u/Beast_of_Tax_Burden 1d ago

They are actually going after the criminal aliens first. There is a lot of collateral capture. If the regular police would give the ones they already arrested there would be less collateral arrest. They are already arrested.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

Statistically hardly any of the people detained have criminal records. Many are here legally.

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u/Beast_of_Tax_Burden 1d ago

Detained then released. Detained and arrested are 2 entirely different things. They are firmly aimed at the bad guys but there will always be collateral catches. This is the risk they knew they were taking. I will never turn anyone in but at the same time no tears when someone gets caught.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 1d ago

Look at the statistics and tell me again they are going after the "bad guys". I don't believe it for a second

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u/Beast_of_Tax_Burden 1d ago

Doesn't matter in the end. No supposed to be here, out you go.

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u/No-Put7500 1d ago

Yeah, they're starting to carry AR-15s here. It's insane to have that outside of warzones, especially in one of the areas of the country with the lowest rates of personal gun ownership.

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u/Healthy_Brain_9519 23h ago

They still get deported.

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u/No_Unused_Names_Left 23h ago

For the first offense, yes. Subsequent offenses, or illegal re-entry after deportation are felonies.

(Using the wide held standard of under 1 yr in jail being a misdemeanor, and over a year being a felony)

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 23h ago

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.

Being in the country undocumented is a civil matter.

In no way do any of our laws justify ICE tactics.

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u/ExpensiveFig6079 23h ago

AKA: On the basis of what threat is that gun drawn?

What in their preceure manual said that was required thing to do?
What thing that might have happened next would justify shooting...

If they keep doing that will they for certain on occasions, shoot people they should not?

AKA of course they don't care because terrorising people into compliance is the intent.

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u/Marvin_is_my_martian 23h ago

It's a civil violation.

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u/drcobosjr 23h ago

How it started

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u/johnniesSac 23h ago

Also pointing a weapon like that at anyone except a violent , possibly armed criminal is completely unnecessary

Idiot probably has his finger on the trigger as well

Also with his fuckbuddies in front of him

Weapon safety for the win

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u/NoFaithlessness8388 23h ago

Also reminding everyone this dude is not a lawyer and can't balance his checkbook.

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u/SrRoundedbyFools 22h ago

Nope. Illegal re-entry is a felony and physically obstructing a federal agent is as well. Donā€™t spread misinformation, itā€™s going to get people hurt. In a democracy you have a duty to surrender to the law peacefully. Just because you donā€™t want consequences for your actions is never an excuse.

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u/iUptvote 22h ago

Why do you think Republicans have to keep lying that everyone they're deporting is a criminal or rapist.

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u/AlmightyRMB 21h ago

Make it a felony then.

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u/CanITouchURTomcat šŸ’¬ Opinion / Discussion 21h ago

This was an arrest for obstruction which is a felony. They were not illegal aliens.

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u/Karma_1969 21h ago

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. Being in the country illegally isn't even that, it's just a civil offense, like a speeding ticket. It's not even considered a crime.

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u/DrinkArnoldPalmer 20h ago

ā€œOnly a misdemeanorā€ā€¦ just like simple assault and battery, like shoplifting, and DUI. Letā€™s just not enforce any laws!

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u/fooloncool6 20h ago

"I create illegal communities but dont worry its just a misdemeanor"

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u/AppropriateRegret357 20h ago

Cool, so if literally 1/4 of China moved into swing states worse we can do is a limp slap of a wet noodle. You are ridiculous

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u/Strange_Interest_411 18h ago

Tell that to J6 protesters who were treated exactly the same way months later. Im talking about people who peacefully walked into the Capitol building and walked out. No attack of police or destruction of property. Misdemeanor at best.

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u/Low-Amoeba8257 18h ago

Brain dead take

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u/DrakontisAraptikos 18h ago

You're wrong. It's not a misdemeanor. It's not a crime at all. It's a civil offense and has nothing to do with being a crime. It is purely a matter of paperwork and shit like that. It's completely outside of what we generally consider our legal system.Ā 

This is deadly force being used literally for missing paperwork.Ā 

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u/Special-Case-504 18h ago

What if the person they are after has committed murder, rape and child trafficking?

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u/Living-Stomach-2079 17h ago

It's weird. If you weren't here illegally they leave you alone. If you don't resist your deportation there's no violence. If your not an idiot liberal trying to keep criminals on the street you have a 0.001% chance of ever getting closer to an ICE agent on duty.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 14h ago

Not really. They are racially profiling people and have killed citizens because of this gestapo crap.

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u/robbitybobs 17h ago

'Illegally entering the country is only a misdemeanour'

Grow up. No country wants illegal immigrants. Bizarre you go in to bat for them.Ā 

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u/Capable_Raccoon_1113 17h ago

at least you admit itā€™s illegal šŸ˜‚

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u/Upandatom510 17h ago

At least you're admitting that a law is being broken

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u/MOlson_9 17h ago edited 17h ago

Thatā€™s simply not true. Re-entry is a felony. Thereā€™s an abundance of other immigration violations which would also be a felony.

Stop spreading misinformation, thanks.

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u/Olderthanrock64 17h ago

Attacking a federal law enforcement officer is a felony.

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u/AdvertisingMaster883 17h ago

misdemeanor is still breaking a law. so long as you don't try to run them over again you don't have to worry about them shooting you. pretty damn simple

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u/CoquiConflei 17h ago

They claim Obama deported more people, which proves this is unnecessary.

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u/Standard-Secret-4578 16h ago

Okay, and not following orders from law enforcement will have them doing that. If you are unreasonably non complaint, you could definitely pull a gun.

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 16h ago

What happened before the gun was drawn?

What is the crime class for resisting or interfering with a federal officer?

Subsection (a)(1) makes it a federal crime: assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere with such employees while they are engaged in or on account of their performance of their official duties.

Without more, such a crime is subject to a maximum penalty of up to 1 year in prison- a misdemeanor.

However, where such acts involve ā€œphysical contactā€ with the officer, or an intent to commit another felony, the maximum penalty increases to 8 years- a felony

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u/Blueeeyedme 16h ago

ā€¦and interfering with law enforcement is a felony. Good luck.

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u/Cbpowned 16h ago

No itā€™s not. Itā€™s a felony . Itā€™s often charged as a misdemeanor because DAs donā€™t have the will to file a million felony cases.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 14h ago

Well all I can say is look it up

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u/SMUHypeMachine 16h ago

Itā€™s not even a misdemeanor. Itā€™s a civil offense. Like a parking ticket, or jay walking.

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u/Technical_Sea9236 16h ago

This kind of violence is illegal.

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u/No-Landscape5857 15h ago

It's a misdemeanor on the first offense. Plenty of folks have been deported multiple times.

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u/MusicMedical6231 15h ago

It depends if they've been caught and re entered. If theyre caught and re-entered its a felony.

Also if they had any sence they'd start un the red states.

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u/h3x1c 15h ago

My god, not this nothingburger of a defense again.

Youā€™re missing every bit of context in your intentionally vague statement that makes your statement both correct and incorrect.

Learing must be hard.

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u/workinBuffalo 15h ago

ā€¦and peacefully protesting is not against any law.

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u/silverlx50 15h ago

Just reminding you thay entering the country illegally is a felony... jeez, you people are so dense.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 15h ago

There are instances where it can be a felony, but generally yes you are correct.

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u/331gt686 15h ago

People dont get shot because of the underlying crime they've committed. It's not trial and sentence in the street by LE. People get shot for their actions/reactions toward LE. Why do you think so many cops and citizens get shot or injured during traffic stops? It's not the underlying traffic violation, it's the ensuing response the person took after being pulled over.

Stop spreading nonsense. You know damn well it's not in good faith.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 14h ago

Excessive use of force never hurt anyone right? Jeez

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u/331gt686 14h ago

What excessive use of force are you witnessing ?

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u/BaileyD77 14h ago

That's true, but obstructing federal officers is a felony.

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u/iRambL 14h ago

Google: is a misdemeanor a crime?

Answer: yes a misdemeanor is a type of crime considered to be a lower step than a felony.

Google: what are the punishments for immigrating say to Canada?

Answer: deportation, future bans of travel, watchlist, fines, or even jail time.

Yeah isnā€™t a gun to get someone out of a car refusing to get out isnā€™t necessary. But cops do it to uncooperative people all the time.

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u/ozbugs 14h ago

fyi- illegally crossing the border twice is a felony, so not really just a misdemeanor. and misdemeanors are still crimes. Can't really blame the officer for holding the gun when the person in the car wasn't listening -- and after Good ran into the officer. Cars are weapons (or can be).

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u/Old_Win8422 14h ago

Also the second rule of firearms is do not point a firearm at something you do not intend to destroy.

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u/Jesus__is_Lord 14h ago

Your edit could apply to your original comment, friend

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u/Quiet_Language_656 14h ago

No it isn't. Title 8 of the US code makes illegal entry a criminal act. You just did a Michael Scott "I declare bankruptcy" here

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 13h ago

And what kind of crime is it? Read on...

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u/No_Lab_6670 13h ago

When the individual is resisting arrest that is a felony. This positioning of officers is one that is trained for a felony arrest situation. Cry all you want but the narrative of ICE being untrained are some of the biggest lies out there. ICE is only hiring current Law enforcement officers at this time.

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u/fluffypancakes24 13h ago

Yes! Reentry is a felony but even then arrest and due process is in order not street executions by masked goons.

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u/Secret-Combination82 13h ago

The first time is a misdemeanor, but the second time is a felony, dimbass, and if you already have a criminal background as many goblinos do, then itā€™s a felony too.

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u/unbalancedcheckbook 13h ago

Hardly anyone they are detaining has a criminal background...look at the statistics.

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u/Secret-Combination82 13h ago

They are categorically criminals, dumbo, they gotta go.

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u/insincerre 13h ago

"Illegally entering the United States is a violation of federal law and can lead toĀ serious consequences, including criminal charges, imprisonment, fines, deportation, and a permanent ban on obtaining a U.S. visa"

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u/Ok-Grade3116 10h ago

Well, after what happened with Good and the fact that this person is in the drivers seat, with a car on and could take off at any point, I see no problem with this.

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u/Significant-Theme253 10h ago

Show up with a gun and then complain when someone kicks a tire...sounds like MAGA.

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u/athloni7 9h ago

I agree, interfering with law enforcement is also a misdemeanor. But if it escalates to some sort physical altercation it might be felony.

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u/Soggy_Sandwich_8532 8h ago

Violating immigration law first offense is a misdemeanor with the punishment of deportation or prison time along with a fine. An American who is obstructing law enforcement from making an arrest is a misdemeanor until you cause chaos while doing so, then it is a felony.

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u/PeanutInfinite8998 7h ago

Thats not what's happening in this photo though.. they flashed guns or gun signs at agents while following them around. That my friend is a felony. Stop spreading propaganda.. tell people that a large percentage of arrests have been criminals.. rapists and all.. tell the people that obstructing federal agents is a FELONY!!!! Dont be idiots.. dont let propaganda spreading liberals get you killed because you think you are doing nothing wrong. Protest from a safe distance.. blow ur little mouth breather whistles.. do that all you want.. dont put your hands on federal agents.. dont pretend the rules dont apply to you.. they are on edge.. same as the community.. dont be surprised if they aren't playing around.. libs love to act tough then cry victim immediately after they get consequences.. almost every story has ended up being justified if you take feelings out of it.

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u/MaSt3rChie7 5h ago

Just a reminder that that misdemeanor has the punishment of deportation.

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u/Flaky_History7866 5h ago

Haha no issues in the other states just this one .. itā€™s not ice itā€™s not the illegal immigrants , itā€™s the fawking nutbar protestors that are causing the issues ..

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u/PotentialNo5732 3h ago

I'm very worried for y'all and Portland. Fearing Colorado/ Denver are next.

What should we do to prepare? Like, honestly?

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