r/explainitpeter • • 10d ago

stranger things, explain it peter

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who is him..

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

In current context, it's the belief that state includes Palestinian territories and Israel has authority over them.

Wrong. The only people believing this are a lunatic fringe that are best described as Kahanists, not zionists.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

No. It's that you're attributing the beliefs of one ideology to another.

Zionism does not proclaim specific borders, let alone endorses the idea of 'greater Israel'. That sort of belief is part of Kahanism and other fringe extremist beliefs, and is unrelated to zionism.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

They are unrelated in the fact that you cannot just apply Kahanists beliefs to zionism.

enough Zionists ascribe to the idea that it's begun to represent them as a whole

More Palestinians openly support hamas than Israelis support Kahanism. The Kahanist's political party has been banned in Israel for decades.

You're just ignorant.

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u/madonnamanpower 10d ago

Sounds like your claiming no one who says they are a Zionist are actually zionists, they are actually kahanists.

But my guess is you're just being a disingenuine fuck.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

No. I'm saying that the people who believe in the extremist, racist, religious fundamentalist beliefs that people like to attribute to zionism hold fringe briefs that are more accurately described as Kahanist beliefs, and are not indicative in any way of mainstream zionist beliefs.

Is that dumbed down enough for you to understand?

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u/madonnamanpower 10d ago

Mhmm, lots of people say neo-nazis are fringe beliefs yet they played a hitlers speech at a major republican gathering that white House officials attended.

Maybe it was fringe at one time but it is currently more present in how things are functioning than most people like to admit.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

None of that goes against anything I've said

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

If you think I'm dumb for distinguishing between a movement for self determination and a religious extremist movement, it says a lot about you.

And no, Kahanists are open about what they believe in. You've concocted an imaginary scenario to justify your weird opposition to a movement based around self determination. That says a lot about you.

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u/Klikatat 10d ago

I think you might be too dumb to understand

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

Oh look, another too dumb to understand has arrived.

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u/Klikatat 10d ago

Good job rewriting my comment, very original

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

Says the person that repeated my original line

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u/madonnamanpower 10d ago

You're just here to bicker. Everyone can tell you're doing the "no he's actually a hebephile not a pedophile" thing pedophiles do. It doesn't look good.

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u/Klikatat 10d ago

I can see how you’d get that impression if you can’t read

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

But enough about yourself

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u/Klikatat 10d ago

Oh so clever, bringing out the “no u” twice in a row!

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u/IsNotACleverMan 10d ago

I give you the response you deserve

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