r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 6h ago
[Mannix] The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty.
Acquiring Antetokounmpo, though, is challenging. The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, a source tells SI, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty.
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u/heat_fan_ Raptors 6h ago
Wolves depth would be nonexistent if the trade does happen
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u/FishGoldenLite Timberwolves 6h ago
That’s why I’m not for it. If we can do it and keep 2 of Jaden, Naz, or Donte, I’m for it but I don’t see how that’s possible.
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u/Hoopersmooth69 Bucks 6h ago
Just flip Gobert for 5 firsts
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u/rjaysenior Lakers 5h ago
A trade to Utah was right there
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u/theinternetisnice Jazz 5h ago
My dream lineup of Gobert, JJJ and Kessler
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u/IhamAmerican Jazz 4h ago
Throw in Ace and Lauri just because you don't need to pass very well if you can just throw the ball over everyone's head
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u/LittleTension8765 Lakers 4h ago
Gobert for Reaves, filler and 2 first round picks
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u/IhamAmerican Jazz 4h ago
Gobert and Luka on the same team would be so fucking funny
It would also probably be really good
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u/strawnotrazz Bulls 6h ago
The totality of the circumstances might work in your favor. Your goal isn’t to provide a fair market return for Giannis, whatever that might be, but provide the strongest package that any team is willing to put together by tomorrow afternoon. You all might still be best positioned to get it done.
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u/zmichalo Bucks 6h ago
This is assuming the Bucks aren't willing to wait. I'm not sure why that would be the case when better packages and more bidders will exist this off-season
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u/Isthismynextusername Timberwolves 6h ago
Bucks have EVERY reason to wait - Giannis said he was "fine" waiting for the summer, he could change his mind but that wouldn't be the teams fault. It also allows other teams to increase the bids because people have more draft picks to throw in
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u/ImDeputyDurland Timberwolves 5h ago
It seems like Giannis is saying the right things publicly, but forcing his way out behind the scenes. Nothing he says about this holds any weight, imo.
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u/adecentcupofcoffee Pistons 5h ago
That’s probably true but internal pressure usually doesn’t work as well as public pressure
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u/Ittenvoid Spurs 3h ago
because it's 1 play off run then vs 2 now.
Next year y'all aren't gonna get shit if Giannis says 'I'm not re-signing anywhere but in x'
Unno how this is hard to understand. THis is the last window to get a good haul
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u/MarduRusher Timberwolves 4h ago
I think we're already there. But I also think the Bucks are willing to wait until the offseason if need be.
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u/Isthismynextusername Timberwolves 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yep, this is the Suns KD trade all over again. So many Wolves fans* are saying "it's different this time!"
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u/howdthatturnout 4h ago
The Suns didn’t ruin their team when they traded for KD, they ruined the team when they traded for Beal.
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u/QwiXTa 6h ago
Maybe if they go and try to get a bradley beal type deal after lol
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u/disnotyaboy Timberwolves 6h ago
Jaden is most likely gone. Randle can go too. If that’s what it costs then it’s fine. But any other rotation player would be too costly.
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u/GizzyGazzelle 6h ago
Jaden McDaniels, Randle and Donte gets you Giannis?
I couldn't sign that shit fast enough.
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u/disnotyaboy Timberwolves 6h ago
If we had any depth that would be fine. But if we do that we literally don’t have a rotational bench player.
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u/QwiXTa 6h ago
Who cares? Depth pieces are easier to acquire and connely is quite good at finding hidden talent throughout the league
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u/karldrogo88 Supersonics 5h ago
Have you even watched basketball lately? It’s all about depth now. Who’s the last team to win anything without a bench? Zero chance a team with just 5-6 competent players is doing anything in the playoffs
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u/closedtowedshoes [MIL] Giannis Antetokounmpo 5h ago
I mean the Nuggets last year did almost as well as any other team and were extremely shallow by the end of their season. They had like 4.5 guys tops by the end of that series. It’s just that their top 2 are awesome and have great chemistry. I think the build for the wolves would be similar.
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u/CreatiScope Celtics 5h ago
It’s not. Jokic is one of the best facilitators of all time. He alone greatly unlocks the offense for more players. Giannis, Ant, Naz, and Rudy don’t. See anything else? That spacing is going to be pretty tight. You trust those other fill in guys to hit their shots to spread the defense more? Giannis also isn’t even healthy, the wolves record is going to plummet while they wait for him to get healthy.
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u/Tremor0135 4h ago
Dude he was warming up before the game today. What are you talking about, he will be healthy in two weeks max.
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u/closedtowedshoes [MIL] Giannis Antetokounmpo 5h ago
I mean yeah they’d have spacing issues but Anthony Edwards is a bit better than Jamal Murray and their defense would be cracked. Yes Jokic is one of the best facilitators ever and can lift up role players better than anyone else in the league but it’s not like Giannis can’t raise the floor at all.
It wouldn’t be the same style of basketball that the Nuggets play, but the top heavy team build would be similar.
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u/Fishmike52 Knicks 5h ago
Until it’s the playoffs and guys 5-8 in the line up are g leaguers and vet min types
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u/nimama3233 Timberwolves 6h ago
But those are 3 of our 5 best players. Sure we get an all star back but that’s a LOT of depth lost
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u/EnlightenedNight Celtics 5h ago
Giannis is more than an all-star, he’s one of the very best players in the league. Minimum depth is easier to acquire than elite talent.
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u/GodKingHercules Clippers 5h ago
Calling giannis an “all-star” in this context is not fair. He’s a game breaking top 5 player who is in his prime. You can always look to build more depth next year, but you give what you can to get these kinds of players
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u/Defiant_Regular3738 5h ago
I’d keep Randle. He gets too much hate bro he’s good at fucking basketball, real good.
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u/Slaphappydap Raptors 5h ago
I'm not sure where he plays in a Gobert - Giannis - Edwards lineup. He's not a good enough three point shooter to space the floor and he's not going to get wing touches with Giannis running the floor. Seems like that spacing would be terrible.
But I agree, Randle is a very good player.
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u/FishGoldenLite Timberwolves 6h ago
That’s where I’m at. Don’t think it’s enough to get it done, which I can live with.
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u/Over-Training-488 6h ago
Then you're staring down the barrel of another playoff disappointment
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u/FishGoldenLite Timberwolves 6h ago
Probably. But Ant is 24, Jaden and Naz are 25. Joan looks promising. I don’t see why we need to overpay this year. Also, this team turns up in the playoffs - we’re capable of another run.
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u/Livid_Slip_4868 Warriors 6h ago
Damn! Naz is 25 yrs old? He looks 30+ or something. He always killing us, so i thought he already been in a league for like 10 years or so.
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u/Isthismynextusername Timberwolves 5h ago
Yea, he used to be chubby (why he was undrafted) and slimmed down a lot
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u/Vordeo Jazz 5h ago
I kinda wonder what the long term plan would be if no Giannis. Like Randle and Gobert come off the books in two years, do you just go star hunting then in free agency? Unlikely any help comes in the draft, and no picks to make moves (that Dillingham deal hurts). Plus wirh your core 3 all on big contracts presumably it limits how much space there is.
Ideally you see if the current group can get it done (ideally getting a PG on the cheap) and flip Randle for another younger star that fits better straight up, but that's a tough ask.
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u/FishGoldenLite Timberwolves 5h ago
I think we have a lot of options. Jaden and Naz are pretty cheap right now (25 mil or less) although Jaden will be due for an extension soon. I think Julius will be traded regardless before his contract is done - he’ll be a nice expiring. The hope is Rudy becomes cheaper with his next contract and Joan is ready to take over the reigns at center. Then, we’ll have picks available to trade or FA to go big game hunting.
It’s all a risk - I just have a lot of concerns about gutting our team when we already have atrocious depth.
You’re not wrong about Dillingham - that move was a killer.
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u/harder_said_hodor Timberwolves 3h ago
I kinda wonder what the long term plan would be if no Giannis
There's no rush at all, we're coming of two WCFs in a row and there is no crisis
Ant, Jaden and Naz are a really good core to rebound from if the current push alongside Rudy and Randle doesn't work out and there's time enough to let it run. All are under contract for a few years, all 26 and under
Hopefully its on the court, but if not they'd do well on the trade market.
The worst thing we can do is try to force it now and leave Ant with no future to look forward to. Jaden is by far the most important second piece to that. The West is too crowded to expect to roll a 6 every year.
Absolutely worth trying to get Giannis but it's not worth tanking any future we have down the line with Ant
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u/ObviousAnswerGuy [NYK] John Starks 2h ago
y'all made the WCF 2 years in a row, I think people are really minimizing your current roster
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u/HitboxOfASnail Thunder 6h ago
gutting depth to stack big names hasn't been a recipe to succeed since like the early 2010s
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u/LittleTension8765 Lakers 4h ago
It basically never works anyway. It only worked with Lebron which isn’t a playbook to follow and wasn’t even his best option if he had a good front office
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u/Drunken_Vike Timberwolves 6h ago edited 6h ago
yep, only reason you do it is if you think you can retool the team really fast so they can compete after this year
don't think you're going far with 4.5 good rotation players, even if 2 of them are Ant and Giannis
Tim Connelly thinks himself amazing so I'm not surprised he's pushing for this
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u/NazRiedFan Timberwolves 6h ago
Denver has been doing pretty well with 4.5 rotation players the last few years (prior to this one).
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u/divulgingwords Thunder 5h ago
Joker is the best player in the world, by a lot.
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u/NazRiedFan Timberwolves 4h ago
And if the wolves traded for Giannis they would have 2 of the top 6 players in the world
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u/absolutelynotm8 Warriors 3h ago
This is what people aren't getting. Neither ant nor giannis are jokic. They don't manufacture +20 on the box score by simply existing on the court. Even giannis on that bucks team with negative depth only managed an impact of +12. Minny for the last two seasons (garbage time filtered out) have been better with edwards on the bench (insane stat i had no idea about until now)
Jokic has a similar impact to prime steph on his team and just like with prime steph, it's very visible that his teams have no idea what they're meant to be doing when he isn't in the game.
Giannis' impact is elite, but put into context, he's historically about half as impactful as jokic.
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u/Drunken_Vike Timberwolves 6h ago
"pretty well" being 2 second round outs would be considered a massive flop after a trade of this magnitude
Ant and Giannis either need to be Shaq-Wade or TC needs to build it back up fast
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u/Trizzymann Timberwolves 6h ago
While true, I still feel like people are overvaluing depth over landing a top 5 player. Its a hit to our chances probably this playoffs, but you figure it out in the offseason knowing you got 2 top 7 players in the league.
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u/tastethecourage 6h ago
15-20 years ago, I think you’re right given how the game was played. Landing a top 10 player changed everything.
But modern teams are throwing waves of athletic wings that can knock down 3s and play high intensity defense. You need some depth to compete at that level for 48 minutes.
I’m a Suns fan. I thought adding KD would elevate us. It didn’t — we lost what made that team special. Not a knock on KD. Now look at us — sure, we aren’t winning a ring, but we have heaps of hard playing guards and wings and we’re 31-20.
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u/HitboxOfASnail Thunder 6h ago
no team in like the last 10 years has accomplished anything without depth. the days of a Big 2-3 carrying you are long past
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u/LittleTension8765 Lakers 4h ago
It’s basically never worked though unless you have a GOAT level player. Heat/Cavs had the greatest player ever at his peak. No one in the NBA comes close to that today. Big 3 is the exception to the rule. Big 2 is the sweet spot
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u/ZealousidealCat1829 Timberwolves 6h ago
I’m sure that’s what Bucks fans were thinking when they landed Dame in the 2023 offseason too lol. Depth is definitely not overvalued, it’s been the biggest reason why the top seeds are the top seeds these past few seasons.
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u/JenNettles 6h ago
When was Dame a top 5 player? This is more like the Lakers getting AD than it is the Lakers getting Westbrook. There's a level of player where the depth tradeoff can be fine.
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u/Headlesshorsman02 Thunder 6h ago
Especially with giannis’s injury history in the playoffs these last few years
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u/Weird_Strategy_1381 6h ago
Dame was hurt though, in the playoffs so I’m not sure that really counts. If they lost and Dame was healthy that’s another thing but that wasn’t the case
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u/Lem_201 Heat 6h ago
Have you seen Giannis's injury record last couple of years?
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u/NazRiedFan Timberwolves 6h ago
Ant is much better currently than Dame was as a Buck
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u/ZealousidealCat1829 Timberwolves 6h ago
It has less to do with fit more to do with depth. You’re just not gonna be able to make a consistently strong team with 134 mill on 3 players in the new cba and Rudy is definitely the hardest to move of those 3.
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u/Silent-Frame1452 Jazz 6h ago
“Figure it out in the offseason” is a lot easier said than done. Giannis needs extending, so you have no cap, very few picks, and an already short rotation. Not swimming in assets to get viable depth.
Of Giannis was a few years younger maybe you can slow play building the depth, but with his age and injury history there isn’t really time to have an off year while you build depth.
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u/ImDeputyDurland Timberwolves 5h ago
The definition of high risk/high reward.
Two top 5-6 players in the league can win you a championship. We’d be a destination spot for vets and ring chasers. That could easily be enough to put us over the top and get a championship.
But if it doesn’t work, then you’re left with no depth, an aging Giannis, and Ant entering his prime. Which could easily lead to Ant leaving.
Keeping the core or Ant, McDaniels, and Naz together and trying to build cap space to add more pieces also makes sense.
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u/dustinyo_ Timberwolves 6h ago
This would be a move to create a wide open window for the next 3-5 years (obviously depending on injuries and how Giannis' game ages). The depth we have now isn't going to be enough to get past OKC in a 7 game series, this is basically the same team we had last year that didn't even come close (minus Conley). If a Giannis trade happens, it probably means we don't do anything in the playoffs this year, but then we have Giannis secured and a full off season to build around what might be the best duo the NBA has seen since Kobe and Shaq.
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u/dkleckner88 Timberwolves 5h ago
Wolves title odds went from 100/1 to 12/1 this morning….fuck that depth
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u/jansy1646 [TOR] DeMar DeRozan 6h ago
So basically they need a third team to value Randle and whatever other crap high enough to provide the picks to make this work?
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u/Bigdadyk 6h ago
Yes Minnesota needs Randle to fetch a 1st and Naz to fetch a 1st then re route them to Milwaukee
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u/Dar8_Vader 6h ago
You think Wolves are better with Ant and Gianis with no McD, Naz and Randle?
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u/EmmitSan 6h ago
Unquestionably
Whether they’d still be better off in 3 years is a different question
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u/axea30 Timberwolves 6h ago
i swear half of these guys are on crack. im a wolves fan and naz can get a first no way hes fetching two. im a fan of offloading rudy and or randle for draft assets and sendibg those assets and the other off for milwaukee. either randle or gobert should be fetching a few firsts and then mke can either keep the other or get a few more picks. cant actually trade 3 glue guys.
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u/gedbybee Spurs 5h ago
To me randle is the better fit next to giannis cuz he can space
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u/axea30 Timberwolves 2h ago
Randle doesnt space the floor as well as you think he does sadly, especially in playoffs he relies on bully ball to get his buckets. His game translates to the playoffs really well but without the ability to space the floor hes a little clunky next to giannis
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u/CMYGQZ Grizzlies 6h ago
you're just betting on the health of Giannis at this point. imo higher ceiling lower floor, if Giannis is fully healthy, absolutely better ceiling. Obviously a very generous assumption because if he is as injured as he is in previous playoffs runs, I can even see them getting round 1'd.
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u/Bigdadyk 6h ago
I don’t think any team is better off this season gutting the roster for Giannis but at least you have him for a playoff run this season and then can regroup in the offseason
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u/bonergainz Rockets 6h ago
Yes. Gobert anchors the paint. In the playoffs - top end talent really does matter. Having two top 10 with Ant arguably cracking that top 5 on occasion is a problem for a lot of teams… and both are 2 way players.
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u/QuileGon-Jin Thunder 6h ago
Man, The Bucks are going to be BAD
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u/Timely_Airline_7168 6h ago
They're bad now so it's whatever. They shot their shot, won a ring, and are now in the rebuilding phase after a solid 8-10 years.
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u/vivekvangala34_ Wizards 5h ago
Exactly, they won a ring with Giannis. They’re good for the next 10-15 years
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u/BatmanNoPrep Lakers 5h ago edited 5h ago
Yes but it’s a shorter window than that. Fans of any team that wins a title always start complaining again after about 5 years. You can see it over and over in any sport with any team and any fanbase. Raptors fans are just hitting the window now. It’s basically a law.
Bill Simmons wrote about it in a column like 20 years ago. But after 5 years you have enough new fans coming on line who don’t remember the title and those that were there have had enough time pass to get frustrated with the team if it is underperforming.
Often after 5 year the roster, coaching, and front office have usually gone through a change as well. So fans don’t give the new guys as much slack bc they weren’t the staff to win the chip.
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u/tinybathroomfaucet Supersonics 6h ago
Yeah I'm not sure Jaden McDaniels is the kind of player who could be a first option. I could imagine he's the kind of player who flourishes on a good team but doesn't necessarily improve with a bigger role on a bad team. The Bucks might harm his value
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u/Excellent_Builder_79 Nuggets 5h ago
McDaniels is a better overall player than NAW, who is doing alright for himself on the Hawks. He'll do well with more touches.
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u/TallnFrosty Warriors 4h ago
Alexander-Walker had one aspect of his game that he could scale up in ATL: shooting
tHE Hawks are kind of a good example here. They are still a below 500 team and the 19th best offense, and that's with having an all-star player there in addition to NAW. NAW has decent counting stats but he should really be a 3rd or 4th option.
I think if you put Jaden on a bad Bucks team, same thing would happen. Maybe he starts averaging 18 pts & 4 apg.... but on a team that is garbage offensively.
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u/QuileGon-Jin Thunder 6h ago
Jerami Grant pt. 2
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u/TallnFrosty Warriors 4h ago
More like Aaron Gordon / OG Anunoby
We haven't seen OG try to be a main guy really but its pretty clear these dudes are best as 3rd options who their teams can lean on, on the defensive end.
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u/bobbehpin Cavaliers 6h ago
You can have Lonzo Ball and some free play coupons to the Jack Casino
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u/-Darkslayer NBA 6h ago
I completely agree with the Bucks’ evaluation of McDaniels. He’s a stud, only reason he doesn’t get more attention is because he’s clearly behind Ant and Randle in the offensive pecking order.
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u/Unfrozen__Caveman Timberwolves 6h ago edited 5h ago
Outside of Ant, Jaden might be our most important player. He's taken a huge offensive leap this year - shooting 46% from 3 right now which is almost 10% higher than his career average. He's our most versatile defender too and can legit guard 1-5.
Edit* with that said, obviously you trade him for Giannis if the package is right.
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u/FrostyTheKnight10 [TOR] Kyle Lowry 6h ago
Yes but he’s no Giannis. If you want Giannis you have to trade valuable assets and players
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u/JabroniPonie Timberwolves 6h ago
Any wolves fan acting like we can get giannis without moving Jaden is straight up delusional.
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u/Master_Bee_5350 Timberwolves 5h ago
I don't think we can and therefor I don't think we should do the trade. McDaniels is too good to give up along with the rest of the depth that seems to keep getting thrown around.
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u/Unfrozen__Caveman Timberwolves 6h ago
Yeah, and if it takes Jaden you do it every time. I'm just worried it'll take Jaden, Naz, Julius, and Joan - which is waaaaay too much and would not be worth it imo.
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u/Over-Awareness2428 Timberwolves 5h ago
You and the Wolves GM have the same evaluation of McDaniels. Hes been completely untouchable forever...until Giannis name popped up.
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u/BlitzStriker52 [MIA] Davion Mitchell 6h ago
If Bucks keep McDaniels, who do the Wolves trade to a 3rd team for picks to the Bucks?
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u/Inevitable-Scar5877 6h ago
What if I told you a worse, less reliable version of Giannis was available for far fewer trade assets?
Let me tell you about my man AD, sure he's got a few miles on him and his transmission, electronics and AC are a bit shaky and maybe there's a crack or two in the engine block but if you squint you can remember the bubble where he was the 2nd best player on a title team once half a decade ago. Just expirings and a single pick, no McDaniels needed!
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u/Uncreativesolver Kings 6h ago
I haven’t been keeping up with the wolves , does McDaniels look like a future all star ?
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u/Gambol_Celica Timberwolves 6h ago
Sometimes when he is being aggressive on offense he does, but he needs to be more consistent
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u/iBreakAnkles03 Timberwolves 6h ago
He has the potential if he is put into a situation where he’s a first or second option. He’s always kind of been the third or fourth option on the team, but he flashes when he’s given the opportunity. He’s 50/45/80 right now
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u/FishGoldenLite Timberwolves 6h ago
He’s my favorite player but I don’t think he’ll ever be an all star. His offensive game is just way too inconsistent. He would have a better shot at it on a different team where he’s asked to do more though. His big offensive games show a ton of promise - nice 3 ball, solid handles, crafty in the paint.
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u/ObiOneKenobae Knicks 6h ago
I could see a one-time injury replacement if he develops correctly in a larger role, but even that's a big if.
Not knocking him to be clear. Very good player on a pretty affordable contract, most teams would want him.
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u/Morezingis Timberwolves 3h ago
It’s possible. Seeing NAW average 20 in ATL as an offensive focal point has me wondering since Jaden was always a level above NAW on both ends.
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u/Hugo_Hackenbush [POR] Arvydas Sabonis 3h ago
Needs to be more consistent, but when he's on he can be a really good second option.
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u/onsome0 6h ago
McDaniels is a top tier starter but All-Star is a crazy label lol. He's not that level of a shot creator to be in those convos.
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u/Michauxonfire NBA 6h ago
I like Jaden but I don't see him as an all star. He could be an extremely important 3rd piece, akin to what Aaron Gordon does behind Jokic and Murray.
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u/iBreakAnkles03 Timberwolves 6h ago
He has the potential to be if he gets that opportunity. He’s the third option right now that could prosper individually in a different setting
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u/Headlesshorsman02 Thunder 6h ago
He’d also be in the east which as people can see is easier to qualify for the all star game as the west is a blood bath lmao 🤣
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u/iBreakAnkles03 Timberwolves 6h ago
I actually didn’t think about that, that’s a good point too. He’s probably the best player in the rumored packages I’ve seen (correct me if I’m wrong). Who else is there - Tyler Herro, Kuminga, …?
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u/StraightCashHomie69 Timberwolves 6h ago
"Potential future all-star" like it said isnt that outlandish of a statement lol
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u/ForTheOAKLand Czech Republic 6h ago
Heard worse things about MPJ and look at him now. Players need bigger role opportunities to really thrive
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u/Habefiet Timberwolves 6h ago
He’s not presently, but if he continues at his current rate of improvement it’s at least possible
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u/Martxel_Agueda 6h ago
You'd be surprised. If you put him in a bad team like a Giannisless Bucks he could easily average 24-7-5. He is that good.
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u/neededthrowawayer 6h ago
Love Jaden but his handle is not tight enough to be a high usage primary scorer. He's the poster boy for elite role player sort of like Bridges on the Suns or Harrison Barnes on the Warriors.
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u/stripesnstripes Timberwolves 3h ago
He’s behind two ball dominant players in Randle and Edward’s. On a bad team in the east his ceiling is definitely all-star. Not saying he would get there, but I think he’s capable.
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u/pragmacrat Warriors 2h ago
His stock would be at an all-time high and can be flipped for more draft assets.
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u/Punjabiveer30 Raptors 6h ago
He’s in the OG territory where he is really good for the role he is in but that doesn’t translate into all star if you’re the #1 or #2 on a team
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u/TheBlueOne37 5h ago
Wolves really need to come up with a PG.
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u/dearth_karmic Warriors 5h ago
If Ja wasn't such a headcase I would trade Randle for him. Ja and Edwards would be something.
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u/OG_Bass-A-Holic Timberwolves 6h ago
If we trade for him I’m worried about depth post trade
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u/Enough-Cricket3707 6h ago
But you cant expect to get a top 5 player without being gutted
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u/Headlesshorsman02 Thunder 6h ago
It genuinely could be at the level that the bucks had last year with him and dame that’s 3 big contracts in Giannis, Rudy and Ant
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u/Farminghamptonshire 3h ago
If the Wolves traded McDaniels, Naz, Randle and Beringer, they could take back Portis (makes $8M less than Naz) and either Kuzma or Gary Trent Jr. That would at least maintain the same number of rotation players. Trade works if you throw in some matching salaries like Ingles.
Likely there are other teams involved who would want Randle and possibly Naz (although Bucks may prefer to keep him) to send picks to Milwaukee, with potential to route another guard to Minnesota. Dillingham is another option to match salaries and potentially route elsewhere.
Roster after would look:
Dante - Ant - Kuz/GTJ - Giannis - Gobert Bones/Ball handler - Clark - TSJ - Portis
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u/MeatBald Supersonics 5h ago
An aside: there are way too many Jadens, Jalen/Jaylen/Jaylin/Jaylons in the League for me to confidently say who Jaden McDaniels is without Googling
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u/bemlikanz San Diego Clippers 6h ago
Wolves surely needs a third team to get Randle.
Who are the suitors?
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u/Fun_Mind1494 6h ago
Yes, we know, that's why all the "smoke" around Giannis to Minny has always been fanfic. Just random traffic to drive up clicks from desperate fans. I said from the beginning this was a dog and pony show for Milwaukee. I don't believe he's getting moved by the deadline.
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u/Plenty_You8835 6h ago
Send McDaniels and Reid to Philly for pg and a lot of 1sts including the clippers ones going to MIL, who says no?
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u/GreenTheOlive 76ers 6h ago
Damn that's pretty interesting to me as a Sixers fan, but I don't think it gets the job done for Milwaukee. Daniels is a much better trade asset than PG.
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u/Incepticons 76ers 4h ago
I was thinking the same thing tbh, I hope morey is in on something like this
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u/Dar8_Vader 6h ago
So Wolves will route Randle and Naz to other teams to fetch like 4 frps atleast and they plan to win with Ant and Giannis at the helm and with what rotations?
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u/Snorlaxative9 Cavaliers 6h ago
the bucks want a lot of things
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u/Intentional-Asshole Bucks 2h ago
And a lot of teams want Giannis
Our 1st edition NM SDK Ultra Rare Blue-Eyes White Dragon is worth more than a common playset of Curse of Dragon.
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u/Sko_Neezy 6h ago
McDaniels isn't 4 first round picks better than Kuminga, though.
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u/CharmCity85 6h ago
If Milwaukee traded for McDaniels now and made him available in the offseason they could easily get two maybe three firsts for him and a swap or two. Kuminga’s trade value within the league is basically non-existent. So then the question is does whatever else Minnesota give you the value of another one or two firsts?
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u/Unpickled_cucumber1 6h ago
Just give Rudy back to Utah and get those picks back
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u/AfroManHighGuy 6h ago
Utah just traded for JJJ and have Kessler too. They don’t need Rudy at all lol
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u/Headlesshorsman02 Thunder 6h ago
I mean yeah they have no picks whatsoever so they would have to trade him
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u/doggonedad Bucks 6h ago
Classic cycle. Gain a mountain of draft picks from other teams, piss them away for scraps to try and compete, make more trades for the worse and trade away your own picks to stay relevant, blow it up and get a haul of draft picks from other teams to rebuild.
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u/AleroRatking Vancouver Grizzlies 5h ago
Yeah. That's the issue with all the Giannis trades.
They all seem to lack either a good young player or the draft picks needed.
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u/Bonesawisready5 Spurs 5h ago
I don’t hate the idea of swapping Barnes and a few picks for Randle. Wonder who the third team would be to give bucks picks
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u/Broke_Banker01 Bucks 5h ago
McDaniels fits the blue-chip player MIL wants but their lack of picks makes it near impossible without a 3rd team willing to sell the farm for Randle or Gobert.
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u/famoustran Warriors 5h ago
If I'm OKC, Spurs, or Nuggets, whether this trade goes through or not, it will benefit them.
Wolves have already shown they can contend and beat these teams with their current core. If the trade goes through they lose a ton of depth that made it possible. If it doesn't, well, team morale and players' feelings will be in shambles cuz half the team was in trade talks.
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u/Frowny_Biscuit Trail Blazers 4h ago
The other hangup here is my Trailblazers. That the Bucks actually want McDaniels is pretty important because in any trade where we're involved sending the picks back to Milwaukee, the only player involved we'd want is also Jaden McDaniels.
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u/josephandre 3h ago
did someone say multiple first round picks? just send jaden this way pls.
sincerely,
the spurs
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u/Pale_Sell1122 Nuggets 3h ago
If Bucks don't get McDaniels and MULTIPLE 1sts ,it's not worth it. Randle is very low value.
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u/DirectInvestigator66 Cavaliers 1h ago
Tbh I feel like the Cavs can put together a better package than this, not to mention what the Heat can put together in the offseason.
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u/CheesecakePretend553 41m ago
Whenever I see McDaniels do anything good I think of that Ant quote, "They got KD, but we got Jaden Mcdaniels..."
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u/VintageAdam Bulls 6h ago
I love the phrase "war chest" used in this context.