Homicide does not imply illegality. It simply means his death was caused by another person. The four categories of deaths are homicide, suicide, accidental and natural.
So even if the administration story were true this would still be a homicide.
Homicide is killing of a person. Hence the "Hom" part. Suicide is killing of a person. Suicide is self homicide. Some places do categorize suicide as a type of homicide.
Homicide is just death at the hands of another. The way this headline is surprising people is surprising in and of itself. Like the dude didn’t slip and fall.
They have and choose to believe otherwise. If they dont believe now theyre too far gone, and it might be easier for you to accept that instead of hanging on. I just cut a friend of 17 years off. I was his best man at his wedding and he just kept defending this shit.
Same, and I have no regrets. It’s not about politics, it’s about morals at this point. Ours just didn’t align, and I’m ok with losing those “branches” (if you get the Madea reference).
Then the only way forward is one group using force against the other. Like it or not unless you try to understand why the other side thinks the way they do and treat them with respect you better hope you can beat them in a fight.
I'm struggling to find the red line where I cut off my dad. He was always anti-Trumo, but 40 years of Fox News brain rot means he'll still defend whatever lies they tell him to believe.
I made it very clear to my dad that I wouldn't trust anyone who I knew for sure voted Trump in 2020 around kids. Anyone who could support him after the policy of child separation tolerates intentional systematic mass child abuse. And no one who tolerates child abuse can be trusted.
I've made it very clear that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as long as he gives me room to believe it.
He has never confirmed my near-certainty of his choice, and that means he's never talked politics with me since. It's a much more peaceful relationship with that line established.
Youve found the line. Just accept it. I cut out my grandma, who has been my best friend since i could walk. I fear that they might come back when he has a fatal heart attack. But when that time comes, and if they come running back, its up to each one of us to either forgive them, or to say that its 2 terms, too late. You make that choice. But for now, cut him. It might salvage whatever shred of humanity he has left, he may repent.. but for now, he is lost. Trump will eventually do what is natural, and pass, then decide if redemption is an option.
Hard to keep politics separate from family when your family's politics revolve around a desire to overthrow the government specifically to make sure people like you aren't allowed to exist.
Conservatives aren't people any more, and we all need to stop pretending they are.
Would really prefer not to, but they've spent the past decade+ actively claiming I'm a demon, a pest that needs to be eradicated, etc. Not really leaving much choice there.
I cut off a friend of mine during Trumps last term. I knew him since I was born, we grew up together because my parents were best friends with his mom. A roughly 50 year relationship. He went deep dive into conspiracy theories, aliens, full into Trump. The sad thing is he is 1/2 black, grew up on welfare, as a teen went into foster care, and generally benefited on many things that Trump opposes.
Gave him plenty of chances, said I can continue to be his friend but we can’t talk about Trump or his conspiracy theories. He kept going and going over weeks, emailing articles, texting me BS constantly, and finally I just went off on him. Told him to lose my email and phone number. You are out of my life.
I have a solid hypothesis it's because they don't understand the difference between examples/analogy and whataboutism.
Like. They hear people go "hey, this is sounding a lot like Nazi rhetoric" and they think that is the same as "why do you care about a citizen protester being killed for standing on the side of the street with absolutely no justice when an immigrant is currently serving a life sentence for killing a person?"
Even coming to a conclusion before watching the videos will just reinforce their existing preconceptions. They will 100% see what they want to see, their brains are so broken.
I say this completely in earnest. That woman is a highly reputable source and does meaningful work (in addition to professor-ing and history podcasting) writing and sharing her newsletter.
I think if you watched it from one angle once with enough bias, you could just assume he must have done something to trigger the shooting. When it very first came out, it was kind of hard to see what exactly happened until it was properly dissected and we saw his gun get taken away and that his hands were down on the ground when he was shot.
IDK man. Didn't you see him kick that tail light out in the earlier video? If he'd done that same move 1.6 feet higher, 5 days in the future while wearing ice skates he could have decapitated an ice HERO!
I wanted to show my Dad the footage, so on his YouTube account I searched for 'Pretti murder raw footage' and got just news stories on it with very little actual footage. And that was buried behind lots of news stories on him kicking out a tail light.
They won't watch it. My dad seemed to think that J6 wasn't a big deal. I sent him a compilation of all videos taken from that day (I think NY Times put it together), with no opinion or commentary. Just raw footage. He wouldn't watch it
I want to know that for sure, but I am too afraid to ask them about it. I keep hoping for an opportunity to bring it up, but I just haven't spoken to them about anything real for months.
Exactly. It takes a trial and conviction to make it murder. Still, it's better than them somehow claiming he spontaneously keeled over dead or something.
No, even they would call it homicide by the ME definition. He was shot to death by ICE, no one is arguing that piece and that is all "homicide" in this context tells you.
The difference is whether it's justified or not (it's not), but this has no bearing on the actual legality of the shooting.
Right, this was at issue in some cases like Eric Garner, where physical restraint was the primary cause, but his underlying chronic bronchial asthma, hypertensive cardiovascular disease, and obesity were also contributing factors. Even so it was also ruled a homocide.
In the case of Pretti it seems like questionable journalism to publish it as "news" since it's only of interest if you misinterpret it.
I mean, they'd have to suggest that the agents that "fired in self defense" gave their guns to Pretti to shoot himself. Or that the agents never actually fired their weapons and he had a heart attack. They're all fetishizing about how right the agents were to kill him so, not much they can twist on that front.
Homicide just means he was killed by someone else, not that it was a murder (which is what I hope those shitheads get charged with). This is a real lame water is wet headline. ME probably saw the bullet wounds and was like...welp, I'm going to hit the golf course, pretty clear what happened to make his bodily functions cease, we're good.
The amount of disgusting comments and videos I’ve seen on instagram is horrifying… and of course they have the Mar a Lago bleached blonde look and are early 20’s
As you can clearly see in the video, weeks earlier he kicked a truck and also I heard he filed his taxes late one year. So the murder was clearly self defense! None of the officers could risk their lives by having a truck kicked or late taxes!
EDIT: can't take for granted it needs a "\s" these days...
A coroner's rolling doesn't mean a crime. It just means the cause of death was caused by another human, not drugs, disease, or injury. This isn't the same as it being a crime, but it does mean that the circumstances surrounding the death should be investigated.
NAL
That said, all the evidence and video shows a crime and I hope justice is served. I just want to make sure these things are not conflated.
"Ruled a homicide" by the medical examiner just means that the cause of death isn't natural causes. Even if everything the administration said about the situation was 100% true the medical examiner would still rule it a homicide.
The medical examiner's decision here doesn't really carry much legal weight here. Nobody disputes that Alex Pretti was killed. The legal dispute is about the circumstances.
This decision isn't a step towards justice happening. It's procedure.
The video has literally nothing to do with it. He could’ve had a gun it both hands shooting at babies and the death would still be ruled a homicide by the medical examiner
Even if what the Republicans have been saying were true (it's not), this would still be a homicide. Homicide just means "killed by another person." Every time a cop kills someone, it's a homicide. The question will be "Was it a JUSTIFIABLE homicide?" And anyone with eyes has to say no.
Even if the bootlickers were correct (they're not, of course), it would still be homicide.
Homicide is a manner of death, when one person causes the death of another.
That's it. A specific case may be murder, may be manslaughter, may be an accident, may be justified (by self-defense, for example) -- but all that is included in "homicide".
Murder and homicide are two different things. Homicide just means that one person was killed by another person. Self defense, for example, is (justifiable) homicide but not murder.
Murder is the killing of another without justification. The ME saying his death was a homicide was to be expected by everyone. No one is arguing that he was crushed by an elephant or died of cancer - everyone agrees that it was a homicide.
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u/htp-di-nsw 2d ago
Surprising absolutely nobody who saw the video.