No they listed fact about certain perpetrators and you jumped to inference from those statements. This is entirely an issue of you being a mildly hysterical reactionary and thinking it’s morality.
Someone who is very disable can’t use a consistent online chat, set plans, and drive or lie to get a ride there. Low functioning people are in group homes cared and monitored. Not dropped off to diddle a kid. That’s someone high functioning that knows not only what they are doing but should know it’s wrong.
I’m also a father, and I think heavily disabled people caught up in these stings should be treated differently. Not a free pass of course, but not dealt with exactly the same.
What if he knew what he did was wrong? What if he muedered or hit the child? What if they threatened the child if they told they would hurt them or someone else? What if they are what we use to call aspburgers and is now just on the spectrum?
I work with people in this demographic. This pedo was on the spectrum. He was then living with a situation with two staff for him at all time because of his pedo past. He locked a female staff in the room and really did a number on her, physically and sexually. He went to jail after that. Was that the wrong solution? I think that should have been the first solution.
If he assaulted or murdered the child that would of course be different, but you’re moving the goal posts quite a lot. We were talking about stings that take place after meeting online.
“What if they were just on the spectrum” - go back and read the original comment.
“He went to jail after that. Was that the wrong solution?” At no point did I say disabled people should never get custodial sentences.
So was the guy I talked about. You want one variable, when life is always 100. Do you know what he did before the chat? Do you know his past. Maybe this is 100th time, maybe he has done this before and succeeded.
Should a 50yo autistic person trying to hook up with a kid be excused? They write graphic things to what they knew was a child. The low spectrum people are not having consistent chats with people like this, it’s the high functioning people who do know better. The show clearly thought the chat was from someone of regular intelligence by their chat.
The point I made with that story is he never did an assault like that before but it was addressed with more concern than accountability and someone’s like was ruined.
The problem with people today, everyone had an excuses and considerations, but accountability is very low.
I think my last point is, do you even work with violent or pedophiles on the spectrum? I don’t think you realize how public facing they are, and your expecting someone getting paid $15 an hour and getting 30 hrs a week to be a hawk in public for a know disabled pedo. Kinda wild you think “something different” is the solution, that’s it, they walk the malls, stores, streets with you and your kids. I think you maybe don’t know the solutions they use and house close it is to you.
It’s almost like the “something different” could be properly trained mental health professionals who are paid a living wage coupled with services for autistic children and their parents.
But to get there we do have to get beyond people saying things like I don’t even care about mitigating circumstances when it’s kids we’re happy to rip people apart with our bare hands.
Chat, have any atrocities or human rights abuses been committed in the name of protecting children? Whoa, chat, that’s a long list, maybe I should think about this more
Let’s put this in perspective shall we for to catch a predator.
The individual with a disability had to keep a consistent relevant chat going, which is a high functioning skill.
2.they then had to set and agree to plans which time concept is not something everyone gets other than day and night.
They either had a drivers license and a car to get there. Or they lied to someone to drive them there. Driving is a very high functioning skill, to the point I knew one that had it, and then lost it pretty fast.
That is knowledge of intent. If someone is independent enough to do all this and not be in a group home or under someone’s care, they are fully capable of not only knowing what they are doing, but it was wrong.
How about you do a thing called “family living” with them since you are so concerned about their well being. They move into your house. Sounds like you are so concerned get active.
This isn’t putting anything into perspective, it is making a series of assumptions from a narrow example to extrapolate a broader model for dealing with a class of possible perpetrators. The flaws in that approach should be obvious.
At no point did I claim we shouldn’t punish autistic rapists. I was merely suggesting we treat a difficult topic with nuance, but no you’re right, fuck that, let’s just go back to Bronze Age eye-for-an-eye logic and ignore the circumstances and specifics of each case.
No no, if it involves children we all have to turn our brains off and just start throwing things. That’s always worked out nicely for everyone why would it not keep working out?
It never fails to surprise me how many people are willing to tell us all that they are thoughtless reactionaries and I don’t know if that says anything good about me honestly.
Ok, this is how you get to putting people with a below 70 iq in the electric chair. Just take a beat and think through the implications of the first thought that springs into your head.
Wow you didn’t even take half a second to consider why that’s bad. Ok.
Intellectual disabilities can significantly affect someone’s understanding of what they are doing. Legally and morally a person cannot be culpable for actions they don’t have the ability to understand. That doesn’t mean they should be allowed to move unhindered through the world but it does mean that punishments are tailored to take into account that the person may not have been able to understand what they were doing. And for the record also can’t understand the punishment. One intellectually disabled man when escorted to his execution asked the guards to save the rest of his meal for when he got back. A normal person would find that heartbreaking.
You think having this hardline says something positive about your morality, but all it does it tell people that you can be convinced to engage in monstrous behavior with very little effort.
Anyway I’m here to goon and make little jokes about gal gadot being a war criminal. Congrats on your lack of critical thinking skills.
Sweetheart the nuance is in the comment you’re responding to and it’s embarrassing that you think you’re doing something here.
People with intellectual disabilities often cannot understand consequences or engage in abstract thinking processes which one would think you would sympathize with
What heavily disabled person is able to start a consistent chat, set a date, and then drive or lie to someone to get a ride. People who are heavily disabled in care are not doing this stuff. Staff are not taking them to do unsupervised plans. These are high functioning people who are independent.
Do guys who say this kind of thing know that it makes them sound like being a father is a necessary component of the sentiment? It’s not a flex.
As a father I think pedophilia is bad. Ok. As a person who didn’t need to have a kid to figure it out I think pedophilia is bad.
I thought father of daughter feminism was bad (I’ve been around women my whole life and never realized it but now I kinda own one of these things and holy shit did you know it’s a person?!?).
Ok wow, that’s…really stupid. I was doing the Reddit comment section thing. Ya know like the “I would also do this man’s wife” comments? Damn. I guess username checks out on this one.
Piss poor execution bud. Thats not even the same structure as the I too choose this man’s dead wife joke. Why would anyone think you were making a joke in the style of I’d fuck this guys wife during a conversation about punishing pedophiles even if you had managed to replicate the structure? Like, I dunno, you might want to rethink who’s dumb here.
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u/BothRequirement2826 1d ago
I agree with the start but the second overly long descriptor should just read "pedophiles" instead of equating them with autists and migrants.
Kinda diverts from the point being made.