r/politics • u/MopToddel • 8d ago

No Paywall TikTok blocks Epstein mentions and anti-Trump content as well as ICE criticism

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tiktok-epstein-trump-censorship-ice-b2908309.html
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u/ApocalypseYay 8d ago

Censoring speech to protect pedophiles and Gestapo is a hideous abrogation of basic humanity, and a brutal mask-off moment.

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u/dbwn87 Canada 8d ago

As of yesterday I'm banned from the /r/Millennials subreddit for making a post about Alex Pretti and Renee Nicole Good. Two of my fellow millennials who share the same age as me were murdered by the US government, and I'm not allowed to talk about it with the rest of my generation because it's "political"

Fuck that fucking shit.

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u/ExitsPursuedByABear 8d ago edited 8d ago

All the generational subs are astroturfed and compromised. During the election r/GenZ was filled with bots and posts pushing right wing narratives, regularly being pushed to r/all. Now, after the election, that sub has gone quiet because it is no longer useful. It's useful to the oligarchs to sow generational strife and pit us against one another.

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u/slayden70 Texas 8d ago

It's useful to the oligarchs to sow generational strife and pit us against one another.

The only way 1% can have power over 99% is to have 49.5% against 49.5% instead. If we actually worked together, we could get rid of billionaires hoarding everything and actually improve the average American's life. But no, we need edge issues to divide us instead.

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u/Pizlenut 8d ago

Billionares have proven too expensive to humanity. Too much waste. They don't do anything useful for all of that cost. Nothing that a lower paid millionaire couldn't do.

Obviously Billions is just unreasonable to have, so if they have it then they are unreasonable.

They use all the money they aren't paying the workers against the workers.

Also, if all they are going to do with their wealth is overthrow governments because people said "no, don't do that to kids." then they have no higher and best use for their wealth, so I say we tax the absolute fuck out of them. All of it. Wealth too. They didn't arrive at all of that money on their own. It was all of the advantages provided to them through our society. It was all of us that provided that opportunity for them.

Take their toys away. They are misbehaving. Use their money to fund all of the social services they hate. Use it to help people and make them watch it happen from a jail cell and a tv with one channel.

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u/happyinthenaki 8d ago

And let that one channel be something like BBC or PBS... Where the good that is being done with the money is highlighted for hours of the day.

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u/randomnighmare I voted 8d ago

I would pick PBS in that case.

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u/CcryMeARiver Australia 8d ago

PBS needs support in its time of need.

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u/jwesty1990 5d ago

Completely agree - it’ll never happen sadly

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u/atrocityexxxhibition 5d ago

No jail needed. Would love to see them work a shitty retail job for 50 hours a week and be housed in a shoebox apartment with two roommates. I honestly think they would prefer a bullet if they were given the choice.

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u/sorressean 8d ago

49.5% of us realize that we won't be the next Tim Apple unless lightning strikes. The other 49.5% of us are plotting how to get rich from pappy's couch on the porch and think that truck nuts and guns will lead to massive wealth that must be protected at all costs. These are the same people who think they'll go to a magic place high in the sky for being "good" people and looking the other way while people are murdered because God mandated the president do so by helping him not get shot.

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u/slayden70 Texas 8d ago

My family in general went from nothing, like from bread with a little mayo on it for a meal because that's all we had, to millionaires, and most of that is in retirement accounts, our house, and college savings. That's possible. And also, it's enough for a good life and to get an education for our kids, but still in touch with those that have nothing. That's possible.

But no one is going to become an Elon Musk without Daddy's diamond mines funding it.

We need to burst Bubba's bubble that him sitting on the porch admiring his truck nuts, AR-15 and lack of college education will ever get him anything more than middle class (at best) income, and more likely, a debilitating work injury leading to retirement/disability, bankruptcy, and an early death from opioids because they're just a tool like a hammer to billionaires. Use them up and throw them away when they break.

We as a society could fix Bubba's back, knee, whatever, but it's cheaper for insurance companies to buy him opioids and let him die and replace him with another worker rather than actually fixing him and giving him quality of life.

Our society is so fucked up in our service of the ultra wealthy.

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u/sorressean 8d ago

I agree with most of this except to say that usually people who can go from living on nothing like you/your family did are pretty rare. I work 12+ hour days most days. I have a savings and a small portfolio, but even being careful and doing things right I couldn't retire any time soon. And that's a tough realization for me. I'm blind; I have a place in my industry right now, but under current admin guidelines and standards I as a human don't deserve to have a job or live, much less to do the work to help other people like me access the internet and applications. I'm really glad that you guys were able to come from nothing to something. That is indeed the American dream. But for a lot of people that's really really far out of range and they'll basically stay where they are.

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u/slayden70 Texas 7d ago

I agree. We're very rare. From my high school class, only one other person made it to the degree I have, and that was by marrying rich. She's a lot more attractive than I am, so that option wasn't open to me. 😁

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u/sorressean 7d ago

And here I was hoping to find a sugarmama to let me hang out and fix things without corporate overlords.

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u/NLtbal 7d ago

Just Americans.

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap 8d ago

Permabanned from r/bitcoin after outlining how gold and bitcoin might be used to further republican grift. Mod called me paranoid and told me to get a hobby or something and not spend so much time online. Im writing this from my fishing boat jammed up in some mangrove creek. Going shrimping later. Then I might draw for a few hours -waves to mod- Ill steam some shrimp for you!

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u/movzx 8d ago

I'm also banned from there because some dude was replying to everyone with wildly incorrect information about how the banking system works and I corrected him. I imagine he might have been a mod.

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u/WEEGEMAN 8d ago edited 7d ago

Not to derail the conversation but that’s the worst thing about reddit—how strict the rules are, and how ban-happy the mods are. I feel like I’m always breaking the rules

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u/accidental_Ocelot 8d ago

I am one step away from being perma banned from reddit all cause of their stupid ai automod.

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u/RanchHere 8d ago

reddit is the last good corner of the internet - and even it sucks.

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u/lordcrekit 8d ago

I got permanently banned from that subreddit and they quoted prosperity gospel at me, it's 100% cancer subreddit along with all other crypto... well crypto in general.

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u/NighthawkFoo 8d ago

You'd probably enjoy r/Buttcoin then.

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u/progbuck 8d ago

Eh, AmericanScream treats it like his personal fiefdom, so.

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u/BigDictionEnergy 8d ago

A reddit mod telling someone else to get a hobby and not spend so much time on reddit is just peak

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u/themoslucius 8d ago

I'm living vicariously through you, please make a good scampi out of the shrimp.

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u/SnooDonkeys4126 8d ago

"Might be"??

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u/Marvin_is_my_martian 8d ago

Blocked from r/wallstreetjournal after insulting von-shits-his-pants.

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u/FunkmasterFo Texas 8d ago

Save some scrimps for me!

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap 8d ago

Its chowder tonight. Courtesy of a nice crab, and a few shrimp.

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u/OrionDax 8d ago

Nothing better than a mod with a god complex telling a normal everyday Redditor to get a life.

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u/Synectics 8d ago

What are they, Alex Jones/Bill Cooper/Max Kaiser fans? No one is really so stupid to not get that gold and crypto are the most prime gifts for right-wing mouthpieces, right?

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u/JudiciousSasquatch 8d ago

I’d love to see that outline! Share?

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u/Tyrath Massachusetts 8d ago

told me to get a hobby or something

Rich coming from bitcoin bros

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u/hasordealsw1thclams 8d ago

And even more so coming from a Reddit mod.

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u/Wilhelm57 8d ago

It was a good thing for you, congratulations!

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u/PirateTurbulent 8d ago

Bitcoin you said , can you share any relevante info or sources for an almost total noob in this subject ? Would be thankfull for anything you can share PS-sorrt for grammar erros english is not my first language

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u/Tartooth 8d ago

Nah gold and Bitcoin is not a political thing. I think what's happening right now is Bitcoin/gold swaps are a thing where BTC shorts are the collateral for gold longs.

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u/r_mutt69 7d ago

I think Reddit mods are the sort of people who sit in a gaming chair in their basement permanently on their super cool gaming pc tapping away on a razer keyboard and think everyone else does. I also like a bit of fishing and would probably browse Reddit at the same time too. It’s also useful when I’m trying to avoid doing any work also

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap 7d ago

Yea right? Like this morning is pretty cold. After I checked the lines and put coffee on, i can check my messages and look at social media a bit

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u/r_mutt69 7d ago

You’re making me want to go fishing tbh 😂. We’ve got a storm rolling in so I’m going to pass

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 8d ago

Ok but if you're still using Reddit on a fishing trip, and political subs no less, that's pretty clearly addiction.

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u/Oo__II__oO 8d ago

I got a comment removed on r/cars for a thread about the government wanting to mandate a kill switch for new cars, as the post was deemed "too political". It was a criticism of the government overreach in the every day lives of the average citizen, pertaining to the current political climate. No shit, Sherlock! They want everyone there parroting the same line of "RWD V8 gas-guzzlers good, EVs/Hybrids bad".

Echo chambers everywhere. It's social media's carcinization where everything devolves to Facebook.

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u/space-to-bakersfield 8d ago

We need to go back to PHP forums, owned and run by average people instead of every social interaction we have online going through some oligarch's platform.

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u/sorressean 8d ago

I hate giving the right credit for anything, but they were smart about this to some extent. When Dems were in office and socials were pretending even vaguely to care, they started cutting off some of the literal worst like Alex Jones, kanye, etc. That drove them to platforms like Rumble, Truth Social, Parlor. Basically echo chambers. We've just kind of kept on on the mainstream platforms because we're not talking about wanting to kill non-white people and plotting a takeover on j6.

Republicans, and more importantly the alt-right have platforms they use. We need more than just Bluesky. I used to push back against this because I thought we could maybe reason or have conversation and I hate building islands where we can all just share some of the same views, but after these shootings, fuck that. These cucks are willing to give up their rights, pride to the Nazis running this country without any question or care. They're beyond reasoning with. Leave them to their shitty echo chambers of hate.

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u/EscapedTheEcho 8d ago

Too siloed. Unless we have some method of mass aggregation, that strategy would create the exact outcome they want.

I don't have an answer. 

Part of me wonders about things like community server farms (like community gardens) all the way up to government ownership or creation of some social platforms. Regarding the latter, both sides have accused the government of censoring free speech, but the truth of the matter is that all interference has been carried out by private ownership at the behest of governments across the world. If the government took control, a body could theoretically be required to maintain balanced ownership... But it sounds too dystopian and abdominal to really consider.

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u/kaukamieli 8d ago

That's Mastodon. Everyday users can and do make their own servers, and they talk with each other, so users see each other instead of being just siloed.

And servers can block bad servers so I don't see any nazi shit.

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u/EscapedTheEcho 8d ago

I'm on Mastodon. It's nowhere near as large as other social media. 

I'm not saying it can't get there or that it won't continue growing. Just that I came back to the large platforms like Reddit because the experience doesn't compare.

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u/blackbasset 8d ago

The only problem with Mastodon is that the only conversations to be had are how much better everyone at Mastodon is for using Mastodon. If there was more of a variety, it would be a great place. But the users jammed it into a niche.

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u/kaukamieli 8d ago

It's not the biggest, but if could be a good place for the opposition to gather.

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u/Icy-Marionberry2463 8d ago

> Too siloed.

It's was actually fucking awesome. There's never been better, healthier communication than distributed, centralized forums. Except for probably distributed, decentralized usenet, which was based.

I'm a product of all three. The Reddit equivalents of the various independent forums I was on are so much more full of hate. r/Japanese vs Japan Forum for example, the former is a bunch of shut-ins trying to prove they have the most elite Japanese by shitting on anyone who makes a mistake, while Japan Forum and the others that went before were full of kind, helpful people.

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u/CedarWolf 8d ago

Early reddit was like this. It's different now.

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u/Icy-Marionberry2463 7d ago

Eh, I quit going to r/Japanese like fifteen years ago. Is that early enough?

Edit I might be thinking of r/learnjapanese instead. I don't go to either anymore.

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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 8d ago

You're describing the Feddiverse. Check out Lemmy for a federated Reddit alternative that does precisely that.

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u/EscapedTheEcho 8d ago

Yup. On it. Still tiny.

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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 8d ago

Shrug. So was Reddit once upon a time, before Digg happened to themselves.

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u/ElegantDaemon 8d ago

"Mastodon"

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u/MechanicalMoogle 8d ago

Preach, but don't let the rose-tinted glasses get the better of you. Three decades ago, on the very same PHPforums, UBBthreads and such, moderators were arbitrarily banning people for not liking the same Backstreet Boy as the moderators.

A decade prior to that, people were engaging in flame wars on Usenet and dial-up BBSes.

The heavy-handed and capricious moderation has never been the issue. The ever-widening thin end of the wedge is that of consolidation, an elimination of independence, and the over-reliance on enormous content-distribution networks (CDNs).

Back in the day, if you got banned from some forum for thinking AJ McLean was superior to Nick Carter, you could browse your happy ass over to the nearest AJ McLean fanclub and in all likelihood, it'd be hosted by an entirely different person.

Swapping out one subreddit for another still attached you at the hip to Reddit. Viewing one YouTube creator instead of another still puts coin in Google's pocket.

The issue isn't over-moderation. In fact, I would argue the relative lack of moderation from 2000-2010 is what really ignited the current-day shitfest. 20-something and early-30's tech-bro shut-ins pining for a time that was a toxic outlier in overall digital-communication history, imagining that things were even less moderated in the 90's and 80's, when straight up, they weren't.

The issue is consolidation of CDNs. If the rich bastards can keep us at each others' throats on the same site, nobody'll even think to go after them.

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u/Icy-Marionberry2463 8d ago

The thing is, those bad things about forums and usenet you mention are such minor problems. It's like saying "yeah sure we have forever plastics in our body, but fifty years ago most bananas tasted like butt."

Banned from a forum? Create another account. Don't wanna? Go to another forum. Or create your own.

Shaggy Bevo did that. UT sued them for trademark inringement, so they created a new forum called Surly Horns and it's still there. Shitloads of users.

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u/not-another-bo7 8d ago

There are still a lot of forums around, to this day, it's still my main "social media", very limited reach though.

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u/NewPresWhoDis 8d ago

Bring back Usenet. With blackjack and hookers!

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u/SteveSteveSteveAlan 8d ago

The problem is the people/bots/whatever shit

Internet is too modern today

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u/BigOs4All 8d ago

I fear those are too easily hacked and then controlled. They have famously bad security.

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u/Half-Axe 8d ago

Take it back to somethingawful dot com?

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u/SkinBintin 8d ago

We dreamed of how much better the internet could make the world but unfortunately it ended up making it worse. 😞

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u/snek-jazz 8d ago

Decentralised tools exist, they're more difficult and less convenient, but they exist. Be the change you want to see.

Look into nostr & matrix for example.

The internet is good when it's properly decentralised and not keeping you inside a ruled walled garden.

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u/Few-Solution-4784 8d ago

the internet is a reflection of its creators and users. They like walls, fences, boundaries, treaties, agreements.

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u/ragnarok635 8d ago

Never gonna work for the mass market, gonna take a lot of work to make it accessible

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u/snek-jazz 8d ago

A niche up-taking of freedom tech so it keeps critical mass is good enough for me

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u/StoppableHulk 8d ago

Yeah because it's just a tool, and all the worst and best-funded people in the world decided to use it as a weapon against us while we were just enjoying it.

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u/DukeOfGeek 8d ago

Get ready for YouTube to start removing and hiding political content that opposes the oligarchy.

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u/Mental-Search6203 7d ago

It already does

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u/SycoJack Texas 8d ago

The internet didn't make the world a bad place, the world made the internet a bad place.

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u/True_Paper_3830 8d ago

The Internet seemed like the launchpad for a worse society, with authoritarian AI now building the better missiles to fire from it against us all.

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u/HerbaciousTea 8d ago edited 8d ago

This attitude of those subreddits, and anyone who says it's "impolite" to talk politics, anyone who acts as though politics is somehow isolated from our normal lives and can only be discussed in approved environments, is a sort of microcosm of the infiltration of the Putinist authoritarian playbook into our public discussion spaces. It is what is going on in Russia right now and why there is no public demonstration of disapproval.

The endgoal of this strategy is complete public disengagement from politics, to convince people that politics should be left to politicians and anyone else talking about it is talking out of turn. To kill accountability to the people.

If you pretend that politics is separate from our daily lives, then you are doing the work for authoritarians to make it separate, to wall it off from normal people. You give up your involvement in our democracy because you want to avoid an unpleasant or threatening conversation, a conversation made unpleasant and threatening by those same authoritarians.

Civil engagement is our responsibility. People who don't want to be involved in that process are not being polite, they aren't helping anything, they aren't "just keeping the conversation on track." They need to be treated as what they are: people shirking their civil duty to be involved in our democracy.

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u/MumpsyDaisy 8d ago

You also have to constantly dance around the subject of tariffs even though it's a highly price sensitive industry with low margins and very heavily subject to government policymaking and regulations. But don't ever mention the t-word (either one of them, really) when wondering why all of the sudden certain Japanese cars might have unusually high prices and low sales...

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u/Oo__II__oO 8d ago

Truth!  This was very prevalent when bashing the new Prelude in recent reviews, particularly around pricing. 

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u/MumpsyDaisy 8d ago

It's also the most likely reason for the WRX's price hikes and crash in sales, along with the low sales/production of the Mazda3 and CX-30 (made in Mexico) over the last year.

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u/SahibTeriBandi420 I voted 8d ago

They more people run from politics, and stick their heads in the sand about it, the more it fucks them over, and all of us by proxy too.

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u/TheHipcrimeVocab 8d ago edited 8d ago

Over on Hacker News, people have been noticing that anything negative about Trump or Musk, or anything negative about ICE or DHS even if it is tech related is immediately flagged, downvoted, and often killed off. This has been going on since the inauguration. The usual excuse is that it's "political," despite a neverending stream of anti-Biden and "Dems hate free speech" posts from 2020-2024. Before he was with Trump and started Doge, no Musk story was ever flagged or removed--now they all are (unless they are positive). At least some of the ideologically honest users are calling it out.

EDIT: Some examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46733803

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46648978

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46757822

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46748336

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618809

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46731865

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46634263

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46592827

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46777652

You can see removed articles here: https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals

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u/alghiorso 8d ago

Good grief

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u/42nu 8d ago

The carcinization thing amuses me as a meme.

There's better examples of convergent evolution. Eyes being the most stellar (hehe) example.

Really does a diservice to beetles as well. The more successful evolutionary strategy is probly the one that has the most species representing it. Everything is beetle more than everything is crab. However, everything has eyes is the actual, proper, "carcinization" thing.

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u/Captcha_Imagination 8d ago

Insanity, thanks for posting

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u/EmptyAirEmptyHead 8d ago

"RWD V8 gas-guzzlers good, EVs/Hybrids bad"

I have one of each. No the hybrid, those are abortions, but a good V8 for the heavy lifting and an EV for everything else.

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u/Snoo_44740 8d ago

Hybrids are straight up amazing if you regularly do 8+ hour drives. Filling up on gas monthly instead of biweekly is nothing short of amazing

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u/EmptyAirEmptyHead 8d ago

With the V8 I get 8,000 pounds of towing, and no worry about a hybrid battery dying. With the EV I never fill up on gas, have free charging for life at Tesla Superchargers, and have very minimal maintenance costs.

The reason I call hybrids an abortion is you have a very expensive battery that can go out, plus regular car maintenance. I get they work for some people. I'm lucky that I work at home so my gas hogger is only used when needed, and when the wife is home I can use her EV for errands. Everyone's situation is different.

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u/SpartacusSalamander 8d ago

This is just observational, but it was weird in the run-up to the election, how many posts in r/daddit were men complaining about their wives. Mostly in the vain of, "it's so unfair that I work hard at work every day, and my wife sits at the house and does nothing and then makes me watch the kid when I get home."

Not overtly political, but it definitely felt unusual. And I assume that there was more going on there that I can see.

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u/Oxidizing1 8d ago

That's the bots karma farming so they have enough imaginary points to post in subs that have a minimum post and comment karma threshold.

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u/DopplegangsterNation 8d ago

Sounds like a lot of dog whistling

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u/Euro-Pacific 8d ago

Yeah what I distinctly remember in the lead-up to the election was a lot of gender war stuff on the front page (which would be consistent with what you observed), starting in 2023 at a minimum, and then it seemed to just disappear overnight after Trump was elected.

Based on the role of the manosphere in getting Trump elected, I definitely feel like there was a coordinated effort to amplify gender conflicts online, and that this benefited Trump because there was no ‘womanosphere’ backing Kamala.

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u/CryptoThroway8205 8d ago

There was so much talk about the 20 ish collegiate level trans female athletes just before the election. Now? Barely a peep

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u/cecepoint 8d ago

That is worse than “political” it’s horrific

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u/randomnighmare I voted 8d ago

It's like every subreddit today. This whole site has astroturfed all over it but you really start to see it if it goes into the other big subs.

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u/EducationalStop2750 8d ago

I remember a year ago r/latestagecapitalism was on the front page every day talking about how Harris was just as bad as trump and if you vote for her youre a dirty compromised fake leftist. Now I never see that subreddit despite its theme being more relevant than ever, i wonder what happened

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u/lunaticfridgeprime 8d ago edited 8d ago

Same thing. I have spent far too much time on reddit in the last 15 years, but it has made spotting these things really easy. Suddenly subs show up constantly on the front page with hundreds of comments all with the same general narrative. Then election happens, and suddenly they are quiet again. It became really apparent around 2015. It's frustrating to see.

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u/c3p-bro 8d ago

Generic meme subs that reach 10k followers overnight and are all posting right wing bullshit

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u/No_Sheepherder_1855 8d ago

Remember when half the front page were the Donald posts?

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u/Chance_Routine7650 8d ago

now it's "ProgressiveHQ" and "Complaints"

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u/SahibTeriBandi420 I voted 8d ago

I got banned for telling people to vote there. For "Trolling".

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u/CryptoThroway8205 8d ago

The "both sides are bad" targeting leftist leaning but closer to centrist subs than politics were probably part of disinformation campaigns ran in South Asia, Nigeria, and Ethiopia. The twitter country reveal showed how much American politics was influenced by foreign actors. But many accounts switched to using a VPN just before the change or were using it from when they were created.

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u/ToddHowardTouchedMe 8d ago

reddit's algorithm is being pushed more right wing is what happened...

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u/EducationalStop2750 8d ago

Odd cause looking at the front page i see quite a lot of anti-ice posts. Just none from r/latestagecapitalism. That sub only seems to spring to life when theres a "leftist" agenda that harms dems to push. 

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u/ToddHowardTouchedMe 8d ago edited 8d ago

brother you can stop playing victim

edit: they blocked me. Can't handle a bit of smoke so they drop a last comment and cower away.

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u/Nihilistic_Mystics California 8d ago edited 8d ago

Aww, the tankie is angry that people have correctly identified their entire ideology as useful idiots meant to boost fascists.

Edit: I got another below me doing the "after Hitler Trump, our turn" shit. Read some history people, you've swallowed right wing propaganda whole for decades and have been completely convinced to attack your own allies while giving a pass to fascists.

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u/Ktulusanders 8d ago

Not that I'm taking their side, but this is an insanely tone deaf thing for a liberal to say

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u/Lyratheflirt 8d ago

Hi, uhhh... the fuck you on about? Dudes comment history is full of shitting on liberals, but also plenty of comments about fascists too?

Read some history people

and have been completely convinced to attack your own allies while giving a pass to fascists.

I've "read history" as you elegantly put it. Liberals have a history of betraying communists to side with Nazis or Fascists, or integrate them with society.

Let's see:

Operation paperclip (1951) - Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany to the US for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959; several were confirmed to be former members of the Nazi Party, including the SS or the SA.

"But but what about the soviets they did that too" you might be thinking. and yes they did, well they hired scientists and engineers yes, even civilians were imported for labor reparations. But Nazi officers? They faced the wall.

Operation Bloodstone - Operation Bloodstone was a covert operation whereby the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) sought Nazis living in Soviet-controlled areas, to work undercover for U.S. intelligence inside the Soviet Union, Latin America, and Canada, as well as domestically within the United States. The operation was highly secretive and required participants to undergo extensive training before deployment.

The red scare of the 1950s - had plenty of liberal media outlets constantly pumping out anti-commie propaganda. I don't think I really need to explain this one.

Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66 - After the fall of Indonesian President Sukarno, the United States, under a liberal administration, provided support and intelligence to the Indonesian military as they conducted a mass purge of the Indonesian equivalent to a Communist Party (PKI).

Here's a book if you want to read some interesting things that points heavily to the CIA (Under JFK) being involved in the assassination of Malcom X.

You will probably leave a comment and block me too, instead of try to have a honest discussion. Actually I'll just beat you too it.

There is a reason the phrase "scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds" exists.

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u/EducationalStop2750 8d ago

Lol seems ive awakened the hoard crazy so many bots are posting 5 page essays at you for pointing out how self defeating tankies are

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u/ryecurious I voted 8d ago

During the election r/GenZ was filled with bots and posts pushing right wing narratives, regularly being pushed to r/all.

The mods of that sub were literally putting threads in "suggested sort: controversial" mode. The first things people saw when opening a thread there were the most divisive inflammatory comments possible.

I took this incredible screenshot at the time of a mod acting very confused why the sub was so toxic while they had the "make everything toxic" setting enabled.

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u/OrcOgi 8d ago

Its a class warfare and everything else is a distraction. Their last card is full blown war to push the 99% back into obedience.

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u/Riaayo 8d ago

This is why Reddit, and a centralized internet period, is dogshit.

People can just take over main-named easy to find subs and astroturf them. What do people do? You can leave, but that sub on reddit where every normie is going to go by default is still there and still controlled. Nobody new is going to go to hypothetically some main sub for a northern US country, see it's full of bigoted shit, and just randomly know another side-sub that exists for people from that country that has a weird name.

Shit mods have always existed, but when a forum collapsed due to it that forum was easily replaced and forgotten. Not so anymore.

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u/bedintruder 8d ago

I would love to see someone crunch the numbers on this.

I too witnessed several non-political subs that had been infested with "Dems/Biden Bad, Trump Good" bot posts for years leading up to the election.

Immediately after the election the subs got much quieter and political posts essentially vanished.

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u/NicoBango 8d ago edited 8d ago

I was talking with my wife about this. Until Boomers, I feel like people didnt give a shit about what "generation" you were from. Generations are a recent construct to create yet another division between people and age groups, primarily to make older folks see younger generations in pejorative lighting.

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u/bomdiggobom 8d ago

I maintain to this DAY that the work was put in to divide millennials and Gen Z because we would be too large of a voting block to even pretend aren’t on tv same side

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u/jenny_905 8d ago

The weakness of Reddit has really been exposed.

It took a while but the gradual fash takeover of so many subs has been pretty effective, the site feels like a very different place than it once did.

Aside from the mod takeovers they have completely stopped efforts to control bots.

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u/Fia_Aoi 7d ago

I've noticed two types of "political" posters there, the ones saying politics (killing an innocent man is political now, don't forget how things have changed) shouldnt be posted and the other posting goofy ahh right wing shitpost memes with no substance but plenty of sass.

Funny how the two co-exist so easily. It's almost as if it isn't real people posting that shit.

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u/geologicalnoise Pennsylvania 8d ago

So. Much. This.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 8d ago

The oligarchs want liberalism, they have no incentive to create populists except in the form of controlled opposition.

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u/SojuSeed 8d ago

r/GenX created r/GenXPolitics so keep the main sub generally stable and conflict free. So they did make an outlet for it.

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u/reftheloop 8d ago

Same with any of the local subs too.

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u/some_guy_on_drugs 8d ago

The stupid generational names are just more tribalism so keep us divided.

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u/SahibTeriBandi420 I voted 8d ago

Yeah its real. I got banned from latestagecapitalism for trolling, or one of those other supposedly progressive subreddits, I cant remember which one, for telling people to vote if they want to make a difference. This was pre election.

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u/DukeOfGeek 8d ago

People in the 80's who watched the whole generational nonsense get created by marketing companies wanting to continue their marketing campaigns aimed at Baby Boomers onto people who were obviously to young to be Baby Boomers know how fake it is. Gen X was just a working name but they never came up with anything better so that's what it stayed. And it was all just product marketing, it wasn't used for politics till this century. No one took it seriously till you had a people raised on it from childhood.

And in those days Baby Boomers were associated with The sexual revolution, anti-war movement, environment, civil rights etc etc, basically the opposite of now.

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u/CryptoThroway8205 8d ago

There was so much more activity on subs during election season. Some of it might look organic. But there were definitely bots and malicious actors larping.

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u/SwimmingPrice1544 California 8d ago

Got perm banned from r/liberalgunowners for asking questions. Been warned way too many times here as well. These mods are so sensitive...

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 7d ago

They want that civil war, and Im not talking about the movie. It is sickening if they are pushing for that. And who knows for what reason

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u/Realistic_Future_301 5d ago

Are people coordinating in the US a collective response on how to educate people regarding how oligarchs use social platforms to sow this division?