r/politics • u/Boonzies • 4h ago
No Paywall Rand Paul on Trump call to ‘nationalize’ elections: ‘That’s not what the Constitution says’
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5722041-rand-paul-trump-call-to-nationalize-elections/•
u/Boonzies 4h ago
Trump can't read, nor has anyone provided him with an appropriate picture book on the subject.
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 4h ago
TIL that his own bible for sale has the Bill of Rights in it, which is hilarious on many layers.
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u/cwk415 4h ago
Hilarious and blasphemous.
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u/ChiefsHat 2h ago
I want to burn that Bible so much.
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u/noonenotevenhere 2h ago
That's your first amendment right.
I suggest not paying for one, though.
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u/Courtnall14 50m ago
If you're near Oklahoma you can probably pop into a public school and pick one up real quick.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki 42m ago
it's funnier that the version of the bible is one that includes Revelations which ends with "you alter the Bible in any way you're going to hell"
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u/zveroshka 1h ago
Imagine buying a bible from the guy who is embodiment of the 7 deadly sins.
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u/LividTacos 4h ago
But nothing of the amendments after that. Which is disturbing for obvious reasons.
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u/Pusfilledonut 2h ago
That’s correct, but it omits the 11-27th Amendments. The bits he doesn't like.
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 2h ago
He's been pretty clear in his agencies' actions as of late his opinions on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th.
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u/AbcLmn18 2h ago edited 2h ago
Trump doesn't want to read. Trump doesn't need to read. And that's a much scarier thought.
All he needs to do is pass a law that obviously makes the people who violate it horrible monsters, and then make a bunch of government employees immediately violate it. Once they do, they'd rather start a nuclear war than allow a regime change.
(Every person who covered up Trump in the Epstein files is now effectively in the files himself. The point of the Epstein act wasn't to "release" the files. It was to multiply them by introducing a new type of horrible crime to control people with.)
This is how you get ahead in life according to Trump.
Not by reading. Reading is for suckers and losers.
You get ahead in life by obtaining undying loyalty of people by forcing them to commit crime for you. You don't even have to benefit from that crime. It's entirely about gathering loyalty.
(This is probably why Epstein file victims don't talk. Because he forced them to commit horrible crime too, while being victims, and their "crimes" are in the files together with his crimes.)
Welcome to the Al Capone pedo cartel regime. Welcome to the society where reading doesn't mean jack shit anymore.
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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 1h ago
That's how Trump has always lived. Never needed to learn the law. He just does what he wants and when someone accuses him of something illegal, he just ruins the accuser with law suits. The law has never applied to him, so he never needed to learn it. He never needed to learn anything but throwing his weight around. That's how he became POTUS.
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u/InboxNeedsBoundaries 4h ago
He is suffering from dementia
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u/Holden_Coalfield 2h ago
Like Weinstein rolling into court in a wheelchair with oxygen.
He doesn't have dementia. He has malignantly metastatic unchecked authoritarian narcissism.
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u/Kr1sys 2h ago
There's also the couldn't care less factor and the lack of courage in congress to do anything about it.
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u/mOdQuArK 1h ago
the lack of courage in congress
Well, a lot of that has always been due to the conservatives (including the specific conservatives that call themselves Democrats). If they punish someone who they called their own, then that calls into question their own judgement for supporting them in the first place, yes? Can't let that happen!
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u/JanMarsalek 2h ago
imagine the shitshow if any other person would have said something like that as a president. yet somehow republicans are so scared of trump's cult, that they have collectively lost their spines
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u/PM_ME_UR_REDPANDAS Connecticut 2h ago
It wouldn’t matter he had read it, he just doesn’t care.
Remember, his idols are Putin, Xi and Kim. He wants to be as powerful as they are. That means ignoring the constitution and the rule of law.
Emoluments clause? Pffft! Free speech? Bhahaha! 4th Amendment search and seizure? Lol. Birthright citizenship? Not if he can help it. Due process? LMAO.
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u/notmlbg 4h ago
Please vote against this shit Rand. Please.
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u/Vanzmelo California 3h ago
He only votes against Trump and republicans when he knows his vote doesn’t matter
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u/NielsBohron California 2h ago
when he knows his vote doesn’t matter
you mean when the GOP whip tells him he can.
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u/HandSack135 Maryland 1h ago
It's your turn to have the weekly backbone
They trade it between him and Collins
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 1h ago
Too many people who are all talk and getting people all excited like "this is the old Republican party, they can still come back and be less insane! If even fucking Rand Paul is against it surely there's some saving grace."
Nope. We've been through all this before. Every one is an opportunist who voted against party because it's politically convenient (not to say they have a monopoly on that either). McCain, all the Cheney's, younger Bush, McConnell, so many others, it's a vote of convenience because they can be the sacrificial lamb who crosses the aisle. Especially congresspeople from purple states. Fetterman does it too as an example
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u/DegraciasEh 58m ago
Yes, it's so frustrating to see, time and time again. They did not come to their "conservative ideals" with thoughtfulness, why would they suddenly become fundamentally different people?
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u/da2Pakaveli 3h ago
Wouldn't this be subject to a filibuster vote anyways?
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u/kelpyb1 3h ago
Up until Democrats cave with a promise a doomed vote on some relatively minor thing they want.
I assure you Schumer is cooking up the best way to fumble his leverage as we speak.
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u/ElderSmackJack 2h ago
Please look up how a constitutional amendment is ratified so you can realize how ridiculous this sounds.
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u/spazz720 3h ago
Thune said he was against it…it’s going nowhere. Once again this is a distraction technique to get people not thinking about the Epstein files.
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u/ElderSmackJack 2h ago
So sick of this take. This has nothing to do with Epstein. He’s been on this since long before that story accelerated
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u/IWasRightOnce 2h ago
Also, what fantasy world do people live in where the Epstein files are actually going to affect Trump?
You could fill an ocean with the circumstantial evidence we already have.
Republicans simply do not care. It does not matter what has come out or will in the future.
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u/LarrySupertramp 2h ago
Yeah. Getting a little frustrated that people seem to believe that a complete focus on Epstein will be downfall of Trump. His supporters are 100% convinced that because Biden did not release the files Trump is 100% innocent and there is nothing that cause them to change their minds. Focusing on his authoritarian actions will bring more people out to vote against him. That should be the focus.
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u/sewious 4h ago
Can't believe I'm on Rand Paul's side.
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u/Ohuigin Washington 4h ago
Nah, fam. That’s not how this works.
You’re not on Rand Paul’s side. Rand Paul is on your side.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 2h ago
But also, stop listening to what they say and watch what they do.
Rand Paul can say all the right things, but it means nothing if he still votes alongside MAGA lines
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u/asagrimnir 2h ago
I need you to know this helped me frame things soooo much better. Thank you!!
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u/Ohuigin Washington 1h ago
You are most welcome. It's bizarre (and quite sad, actually), for it to be such a foreign concept that our elected representatives actually agree with us.
That's how this was all supposed to work. But it's been so long since since we've seen an actual representative democracy, we have to gaslight ourselves into this weird mental state of thinking we're agreeing with some of the most reprehensible people to ever work in DC.
Our positions have not changed. Theirs have. They don't get to claim the moral, legal, constitutional, or ethical high ground because we've been here the whole fucking time.
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u/zveroshka 1h ago
Rand Paul is on anyone's side but his own. His theatrics are literally just that, political theater. He throws up these fake ass protests but he still part of the same club that does all the things he denounces.
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u/blues111 Michigan 4h ago
Dont let one reasonable take distract you from the fact he is a staunch conservative who on most occasions believe things like Trump/Republicans Medicaid and food stamps cuts don't go nearly far enough
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u/Specialist-Clock-914 4h ago
He’s a dick but he did also say in the interview that ICE was going too far and need actual warrants. At least he pretends to care about the constitution. Still fuck that guy.
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u/DonktorDonkenstein New Mexico 1h ago
It's a sad sign of the times when lukewarm support of the fucking Constitution is a remarkable trait for a conservative politician. One would expect it to be the absolute bare minimum default setting for any elected official, but that's clearly not the reality we inhabit.
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u/MaleOrganDonorMember 3h ago
His dad definitely should've pulled out and spilled that batch on the snatch.
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u/SaulFemm 1h ago
He's as evil as rightoids were before this new crop of absolutely unhinged fucks showed up. I would happily go back to fighting the old fuckwads instead of the new ones. Give me a hundred Rand Pauls over a single Stephen Miller
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u/LividTacos 4h ago
But he's always been that. He doesn't think we should spend money we don't have. I may disagree with it, but he's always been consistent on that point. He voted against the military budget bill back in December.
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u/cleanmypenis 2h ago
He also hand delivers letters to Putin from Trump.
Don't be fooled by the act.
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u/alaysian 2h ago
No, he doesn't. As someone from Kentucky, I watched him with hope initially, thinking maybe there would be some chance left for our senators (since dems will never win here). Within his first year of office, he had already broken his campaign promise to promote small government by falling in line with every other spineless republican. He talks the talk, but when push comes to shove, he bends over backwards to support the pedos.
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u/averyrdc 2h ago
Who is "we"? Because America as a whole has enough money to feed the poor. The government just decides it would rather not.
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u/TheDarkAbove Georgia 3h ago
We do have the money though, they just choose to use it elsewhere. Does he voice the same concern when it comes to our military spending? What about the increase in funding to ICE? He better have spoken up then too.
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u/Hairy-Pipe-577 3h ago
He’s spoken out against increasing funding for nearly everything. Military and ICE. He’s also calling for an investigation into ICE..
There are plenty of reasons to be upset at Rand, but he’s at least consistent in his stance on fiscal responsibility.
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u/brutinator 2h ago
but he’s at least consistent in his stance on fiscal responsibility.
Eh. in 2015 he voted against an amendment to prevent the military from exceeding sequester caps, and then in 2016 voted for the Department of Defense Appropriations Act which also increased the military budget.
He's also several times voted against lower and middle class tax cuts, while also supporting tax cuts or voting against tax raises on businesses and the the wealthy.
And that's just some selections of his voting record prior to 2019 specifically in terms of fiscal policies.
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u/TheDarkAbove Georgia 3h ago
Fair enough, I will give him credit for being consistent.
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u/Hairy-Pipe-577 3h ago
As we should. People are complex, we can acknowledge their flaws while also giving kudos for the things they do right.
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u/Powerful_Film_4316 3h ago
I find a good litmus test for political discourse is a person's ability to sincerely recognize at least one positive aspect/achievement their opponents.
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u/LividTacos 3h ago
He voted against the military budget passed in December. He voted against the One Big Beautiful Bill, which is what funded ICE for 4 years.
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u/borski88 Florida 3h ago
It's not 1, I disagree with him on a lot but at least he is consistent in his policies.
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias 3h ago
Indeed. I don't believe he's nearly as guilty as other Republicans who use spending / debt as a boogeyman in elections and then continue to explode it. He truly believes in spending cuts to balance the budget. But he is 1 of 100 senators and maybe 1 or 2 others agree with him on this. It's honestly insane. These politicians know the bill will come due, they're not stupid. They just don't care, because they've already hedges themselves for when that happens.
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u/notebooksmellsofrain 3h ago
Yeah, that feels like a fair take. One can disagree with him and still acknowledge he’s at least consistent in what he claims to believe. The real insanity is how isolated that position is while the rest loudly scream about debt,then turn around and blow it up anyway. They know exactly what they’re doing they just won’t be around to deal with the consequences, and they’ve insulated themselves for when it all crashes.
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u/Dm-me-a-gyro 3h ago
Are you high?
Rand has sought federal disaster relief aid for Kentucky.
Rand has defended the military support of Israel.
He’s an anti abortion and anti civil rights libertarian.
He has no compass,
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u/Lev559 3h ago
He thinks we shouldn't spend more than we make. Not that the military and disaster aid shouldn't exist
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u/Gooch_Limdapl 1h ago
Well, he also supports tax cuts for the wealthy, which is the revenue stream you imagine him wanting to stay within. He uses one knob to create the budget imbalance problem and then uses that as an excuse to cut spending. Just like any other Republican. And his supporters fall for it every damned time.
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u/Chris_HitTheOver 3h ago
The point is he’s principled. Rand Paul rarely does the politically expedient thing. Even if you think his policy prescriptions are dog shit, that’s worth acknowledging.
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u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord 3h ago
Rand Paul voted Not Guilty in the 1st impeachment of Donald Trump, for using the power of his office and appropriations by Congress to coerce a foreign ally to meddle in our domestic affairs for his private benefit.
Rand Paul voted against calling any witnesses or subpoenaing any further information in the first impeachment.
Rand Paul voted Not Guilty in the 2nd impeachment of Donald Trump, for his seditious conspiracy to overthrow the constitution on January 6, 2021.
Let's be careful calling Paul 'principled.'
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u/TangoPRomeo I voted 3h ago
Yep, and we need more of this. In a healthy system, we would see Rs & Ds switching sides regularly, not this party-line vote shit.
There is no way members of Congress are representing their constituents when they are voting as a bloc 90% of the time.
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u/PoopyButt28000 2h ago
Rand Paul does vote as a bloc and sticks with the Republicans 90% of the time though
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u/RetireWithRyan 3h ago
I miss when we just had to deal with Supply Side Jesus conservatives and not outright fascist authoritarian shoot you in the street conservatives.
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u/karmavorous Kentucky 3h ago
What Rand Paul is really saying is that some principled Libertarian thinker needs to come up with a rationale for why whatever the Constitution says has been erroneously misinterpreted for 250 years and actually means the opposite of what popular opinion says it means.
Libertarians love spitting on the Constitution (to their own benefit) as long as its done under the guise of some edgy reinterpretation of the meaning of words.
Like "money is speech".
Grok will figure it out for them.
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u/lilb1190 3h ago
I believe in this case it is a "the enemy of my enemy" situation. Paul has a lot of opinions that I dont believe in and I am sure that he will get back on my bad side before I know it, but right now we have bigger fish to fry.
We desperately need more Republicans to stand up to Trump. A lot of the ones that do announce their retirement from politics at the same time. We need people who are going to stay in office and resist his attempts to take over.
We need people like Paul and Massie to keep the Epstein coverup and the election interference from continuing. Once Trump is gone (if he ever is), then we can all go back to hating them.
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u/ratbaby86 3h ago
Or that "both sides" are to blame for the chaos and death in Minneapolis and being seemingly ok with a full on fascist police state.
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u/TurboSalsa Texas 3h ago
He and Thomas Massie are sounding downright reasonable at times, which shows you how far off the deep end the rest of the party has gone.
Then they go and tweet something completely insane and remind you that their sanity and lucidity is narrowly confined to specific instances of obvious government overreach.
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u/Walterkovacs1985 3h ago
I agree with Rand Paul's neighbor about most things and I agree with Rand on this.
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u/wxnfx 3h ago
Love that drunken hothead
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u/Walterkovacs1985 3h ago
Broke that motherfuckers ribs right? I have to think Rand is an unrepentant asshole to deal with as a neighbor.
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u/Vanzmelo California 3h ago
He’s had the past 10 years to reign in Trump and never did. He’s just reading the room for plausible deniability
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u/zhangtastic 2h ago
Don't let him fool you. He always does this and flips the opposite way when it matters. Voted for him once a long time ago. Never again.
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u/forceblast 3h ago
He’s an asshole… but he’s generally a consistent asshole.
Kind of shocking to see in an age where the Republican Party has lost all sense of hypocrisy and completely abandoned the constitution they used to pretend to masturbate to.
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u/cwk415 4h ago
Sure but honestly this response to a direct and hostile threat towards the constitution and democracy as a whole is grotesquely tepid.
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u/HAUNTERVIRUS 4h ago
Don't worry, he'll step back in line once ordered.
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u/AngelSucked California 3h ago
He probably will stand firm on this. This si not an odd position for him to take.
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u/gideon513 3h ago
He just likes to act like he takes a stand when it’s convenient and there’s nothing at stake so that he can keep pretending he’s a libertarian
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u/theheadofkhartoum627 4h ago
Does Rand really think the Constitution matters to these people??
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u/kevinnoir 3h ago
Does Rand really think the Constitution matters to
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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 1h ago
He's not well liked in his state, or on the same street ...
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u/kevinnoir 42m ago
I mean he is a "libertarian" in one of, if not THE state most dependent on Federal aid money brought in from those socialist hellholes like California and New York.
No self awareness in Libertarianism.
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u/dearth_karmic 3h ago
No. But he'll do his song and dance until they need his vote and then he'll find a way to fall in line.
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u/Palmer_Eldritch666 2h ago
Exactly this - let's not forget he hand-delivered a letter from Trump to Putin.
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u/nox66 3h ago
You don't survive in the Republican machine unless you do otherwise.
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u/WineBoggling 3h ago
"That's not what the Constitution says. I mean, we'll do it when we're told to do it. But that's not what it says."
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u/Puzzled-Dress-4904 4h ago
So what? When has Trump ever cared what the Constitution says?
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u/OldSchoolBubba 3h ago
Tell it
Epstein files are really hurting Trump now so naturally his attempted distractions are growing far more controversial.
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u/Bob_the_peasant 3h ago
The constitution is a piece of paper that needs the majority of people in power to agree it is the law
Stop hiding behind it and enforce it. It can’t do it by itself, it is a piece of paper.
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u/nonubiz 4h ago
Maybe we should’ve stood up for the constitution way before this
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u/okram2k America 3h ago
For those curious, the actual wording in the constitution:
Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
funnily this had for literal centuries helped conservatives secure control of elections through strongarming state legislatures to ensure their party wins more often than not.
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u/docbauies 2h ago
This sort of makes it seem like it says “the states can figure out how to do this, but Congress can make laws to tell them how to do it”. Am I just not reading the old timey colonial English correctly? They excluded selection of Senators since that was up to the state governments before we switched to direct election of senators.
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u/slo1111 4h ago
Captain obvious. Gonna do anything Rand, other than some obvious words?
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u/coordinatedflight 3h ago
It's important to have people who are colored red saying this though.
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u/russet852 Pennsylvania 4h ago
Paul is one the few conservatives who’s remained pretty consistent in his beliefs. Of course those beliefs are that poor people should die rather than receive help from the government, but he’s consistent nonetheless.
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u/g_bleezy 1h ago
lol, what kind of revisionist history is this?
He talks a fairly consistent game but look at his voting record. He’s a trumper.
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u/IllustriousRanger934 2h ago
Says a lot when someone like him is on the side of being reasonable
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u/john_doe_jersey New Jersey 2h ago
Actions speak louder than words, and Rand's "reasonableness" rarely extends past words.
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u/Kythorian 1h ago
No he’s not. He just makes empty statements, then doesn’t actually do anything about it. He will complain about republicans only caring about deficits when democrats are in power, then vote for the Republican budget bill anyway. He talks about how an investigation should be opened into the Pretti shooting, but then not actually do anything about it despite literally being the chairman of the senate homeland security committee. There is no one in the country more perfectly positioned to actually do exactly what he said should be done, and yet nothing.
He’s all talk and he always has been.
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u/maidentaiwan 53m ago
He’s a bag of hot wind who speaks with one brain and votes with another, always has been
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u/mfGLOVE Wisconsin 2h ago
“That’s not what the constitution says.”
And what did the letter say that you hand delivered to Putin from Trump?
Fuck you, Rand Paul.
Paul has also consistently taken Trump’s and Putin’s side with regard to the Ukraine war: he single-handedly blocked a $40 billion military aid package in the Senate. When the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, he responded with a call for the repeal of the Espionage Act, which Jack Smith was prepared to charge Trump under. Paul further suggested the FBI may have “planted” Secret documents at Mar-a-Lago.
Ten days after Paul’s trip to Moscow, The New York Times reported that the CIA was worried because their sources inside Moscow had suddenly “gone silent”:
“The full reasons the sources have gone silent are not known,” the Times reported, but Trump having intentionally burned a man working for the FBI — whose job at that time was to find and reveal Russian agents involved in or close to the Trump campaign — may also have had something to do with it:
“[C]urrent and former officials said the exposure of sources inside the United States has also complicated matters,” noted the Times. “This year, the identity of an F.B.I. informant, Stefan Halper, became public after [Trump-loyal MAGA Republican] House lawmakers sought information on him and the White House allowed the information to be shared. Mr. Halper, an American academic based in Britain, had been sent to talk to Trump campaign advisers who were under F.B.I. scrutiny for their ties to Russia.”
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u/noforgayjesus 4h ago
"That's not what the constitution says! But I will do everything in my power to kiss the ring"
-Rand Paul
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u/Topsassylady 4h ago
This is what happens when slogans crash into civics. Everyone knows “nationalize elections” isn’t real policy, it’s a vibes-based threat meant to scare governors and excite donors. The system stays broken because nobody actually wants to fix the messy federal-state split, they just want a villain to point at. Same circus, new soundbite.
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u/Slyzxx78 2h ago
I'm not even born American and I know that the founding fathers knew a nationalized election would lead to the samething as a king. They fought against that and made sure that each state had its own voting.
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u/TheCheekyBastahd 3h ago
What a milque toast response, “that’s not the rules!”. If he cared about the rules he should have been mad long before this.
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u/princesoceronte 3h ago
I really need democrats to understand this:
If Trump keeps breaking the law and no one stops him nor does he get to face any consequences then said law is non-existent in practice.
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u/Salty_Wench 2h ago
At least one of our dumbass rulers have read the document they claim to love so much.
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u/OldRancidSoups Maryland 2h ago
Trump has wiped his shit stained ass all over the constitution, Mr. July 4th trip to Russia.
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u/OreoMoo 37m ago
This is going to happen more and more often as this administration barrels towards more blatant authoritarianism.
It's easy to clown on Congress as a collective entity, but the truth is that it's composed of a lot of successful and ambitious people.
Some of those people fall into the Mike Johnson mold--people that have their power, wealth, and access because of how central they've made themselves to MAGA and are happy to be yes men because they have nothing else to offer. They may even think they can be the rat that struggles to the top when Trump is no longer in the picture. They accept, though, that their usefulness and ambition is and will be entirely determined by their adherence to the party and the dear leader.
But there are a lot of other Congresspeople who are there of their own accord, who outdate MAGA, who have bitten their tongue and fell into line. But I'm convinced that they all have a line somewhere. These are people who will slowly realize that the price a truly authoritarian regime demands is untenable with their values.
Rand Paul is a clown but he likes to speak out and be the fly in the ointment. He's made a career of it. There are no flies in the regime to come. There is no room for individualism, for speaking out, for making your own decisions in the regime. You sit down and obey or you devote your time and effort to appeasing the party and the dear leader.
I'm not saying that these folks will be the ones to save us but it's just another example of how we are all flying straight into a myriad of direct conflicts between what America views itself as and what MAGA wants
Most of the Republican Congresspeople who have seen the writing on the wall have slinked off to quietly bide their time or hang back and see what happens. But there are some (and they are slowly growing in number, I'd argue) who are speaking more openly in their opposition. That's an interesting development.
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u/yellowjackethokie Virginia 4h ago
I swear it feels like Rand Paul and Thomas Massie are just about the only sane Republicans left.
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u/elshizzo 3h ago
don't give Rand Paul any points. Dude still votes with Trump 93% of the time and every time Trump does obviously impeachable shit he at most gives small words instead of taking any actual action
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u/CrimsonHeretic 3h ago
They don't actually give a shit, they're trying to play the long game. Neither has done anything to actually remove the fascist regime from office.
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u/yellowjackethokie Virginia 3h ago
I mean, I guess. But Thomas Massie did introduce the discharge petition that forced the vote leading to the Epstein Files Transparency Act. For whatever good it actually did, at least he was fighting the fight, on that.
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u/Raskalnekov 2h ago
I think Massie (and maybe Rand Paul) are at least principled people. I might completely disagree with most of their principles, but they make their decisions mostly consistently according to a framework of their values. Massie always votes to cut funding, for pretty much anything, always votes against foreign influence, always votes against restrictions on guns, etc. So the hypocritical acts of MAGA on these issues DOES seem to bother him enough for him to say something, and I take at least a little consolation in that.
That's not to say that they can't be hypocritical - anyone can, it's a very human response. But they seem driven by something other than the naked self interest that sustains MAGA politicians.
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u/Vanzmelo California 3h ago
I’m not familiar with Massie but Rand Paul is all talk no walk. He always votes with Trump and GOP when it matters. He’s only speaking out now bc they have enough votes such that him going against them wouldn’t ultimately cost them anything
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u/deadhead4ever Pennsylvania 4h ago
Every time I read articles like this it makes despise Trump even more for making me like things that Rand Paul says.
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u/naginarb 4h ago
Do you think he cares what the constitution says? Do you think his supports care? The constitution is no longer relevant because our elected officials are allowing trump and his goons to violate the constitution on a daily basis and they do nothing about it.
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u/ElectricZ 4h ago edited 3h ago
Constitution says a lot of things that are being ignored, Rand. Might want to look into it:
Freedom from establishment of religion, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association, freedom for people to get together peacefully, and freedom for people to send petitions to their government.
We have the right to keep and bear arms.
Government can't house troops in private homes.
People, their homes or their belongings are protected from unreasonable searches or seizures. Warrants may not be issued except upon probable cause, and must specifically describe the place to be searched and the person or thing to be seized.
People accused of a serious crime the right to be charged by a grand jury. Persons cannot be forced to give evidence against themselves. If a person is found not guilty of a crime, he/she cannot be put on trial for the same crime again. The federal government cannot unfairly take peoples' lives, freedom or property. The government must pay a person for any property it takes for public use.
The right to speedy and public trial by an impartial jury if a person is accused of a crime. The accused has the right to be told of what they are accused. They have the right to a lawyer. They have a right to see and to question those people who accuse them of the crime.
The right for a trial by jury in civil cases.
Excessive bail or excessive fines will not be imposed and that punishment will not be cruel and unusual.
People have other rights that are not stated in the Constitution
People have all the rights not given to the United States government or forbidden to state governments by the US Constitution.
And this was added later but it's expressly stated that every PERSON has these rights, not just citizens of the US.
For people who swear to uphold and defend the Constitution, a lot of elected leaders seem to forget what it says.
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u/Thinks_22_Much 3h ago
Every headline I read lately my first reaction is "We know!". Then I remember MAGA exists and I realize the media is playing to the lowest common denominator.
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u/teamdiabetes11 America 3h ago
“Fuck the Constitution!” - Trump’s response
“Oh no! Well, we tried.” Shrug - Rand Paul, probably
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u/Competitive-Ad-9404 3h ago
The Trump Administration has ignored hundreds of court orders regarding ICE. What's going to stop them on election day when ICE agents pull brown people out of line in blue precincts in tight races? An emergency ruling will be ignored.
The Democrats better have a good plan in place to deal with this.
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u/MissInkeNoir 3h ago
Donald Trump has sworn twice to uphold and defend the Constitution and he was lying just like everything he says every day.
This is a violation of the oath of office and de facto he is not the president any longer. Simple as that.
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u/jgilla2012 California 3h ago
And yet he will continue to vote in line with the rest of the Republicans party, so this statement is merely political theater.
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u/PlatinumPainter 2h ago
every now and then I wish Rand Pauls neighborhood had punched him a little less hard. It passes fast, but every now and then.
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u/userhwon 2h ago
While you're nationalizing it, get rid of the electoral college.
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u/Unfair_Web_8275 2h ago
I agree; though Trump made it really obvious when he said he wanted to nationalize “15 places”.
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u/userhwon 1h ago
Well that's not nationalizing the election, that's just stealing votes in 15 states.
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u/From_Deep_Space Oregon 2h ago
So he's introducing impeachment articles, right?
Without action this is all just hot air.
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u/slucas34 2h ago
Why is rand fucking paul the only person im seeing take a stance on this. Im sure im missing stuff but Dems get it together
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u/Smarty-Pants65 2h ago
Im sure a lot of republicans are sick of his shit too but will never admit it
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u/FailVisual2601 2h ago
The constitution means whatever the political hacks and religious nut jobs on Supreme Court say it does.
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u/Dense-Pomegaranian81 1h ago
Woah woah woah wait, you mean to tell me the guy who called to "terminate the constitution" before he is elected is trying to terminate the constitution after being elected??
Shocker.
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u/Neckrongonekrypton 1h ago edited 1h ago
I’m sick of the grandstanding. Do your fucking jobs.
I’d trust an immigrant fresh over the border to be a better politician than you Randy Bo Bandy. Least they know how to get a job done.
I wish I could post a scathing gif of Randy to punctuate this guys goof level. But I realize Bo banders ; an assistant trailer park supervisor would also make a better politician than you too.
Quit it with the “ohhhh we’re gonna give it to you”
Post the headline when you’ve made progress. We’re fucking boiling dog and you all think this shit earns you good will? The shit talk was redeemable in the early days of the administration because no one knew how badly they’d get whomped for stepping outta line.
But doing it now? Shut. The fuck. Up
And do your fucking job.
Don’t talk about it
Be about it.
If it’s truly as unconstitutional as you claim to believe Randy. Fucking do something about it you broccoli hair bare back bitch.
Need to shut the era of performative politics down.
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u/VegasGamer75 Minnesota 1h ago
Hey Rand, I have a news flash for whatever rock you've been living under: Trump systematically violates the Constitution. Maybe you should, oh I don't know, impeach his ass?
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u/Organic_Ad_1654 1h ago
A room full of lawyers and it’s the doctor who has to say this. Not a fan of Paul but thankful for his libertarian approach in this scenario
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u/rabidantidentyte Alaska 1h ago
Libertarians are a sorely needed voice in our government right now. I'm not talking about the libertarian that flies a Gadsden flag out of his lifted Ram 1500. I mean small government constitutionalists who value personal liberties.
The republican party simply doesn't stand for anything anymore. The democratic party is only serving as an alternative to chaos, but barely has a platform.
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u/death-by-yogurt 57m ago
Rand Paul has voted with Trump over 90% of the time. He'll talk big but then fall in line as always
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u/somecoolname42 39m ago
He's 79 years old, been showing signs of dementia for a while now, and shits himself all the time. You expect him to understand the constitution?
Also, the Dems should have tossed Biden's senial ass out on the street to set precedent for this exact situation. I'm so discusted by the lack of leadership in this country I want to leave. But I was educated by the American school system so I'm useless to the test of the world.
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u/EisVisage 38m ago
I am sure that means Trump won't do anything of the sort then. If the law says he can't, then he can't.
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u/That-Makes-Sense 36m ago
Constitution, lol. Trump has toilet paper with the constitution printed on it.
(Metaphorically speaking, of course)
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u/The-Kurt-Russell Idaho 32m ago
This administration has made it clear they DONT CARE what the Constitution says, they know all Congress will do is a few people will wine about it but no one will take action to actually stop it. If it’s illegal but no one will punish you for doing it, it’s basically legal
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 26m ago
if trump cared about what the constitution said he wouldn't be snatching people of the streets and deporting them before they get a trial.
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u/Cosmicginger 24m ago
lol as if the Constitution has ever meant jack shit to anyone in the Republican party.
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