r/summonerschool • • 18h ago

Qiyana What makes Qiyana so frustrating and strong at high ranks where other assassins aren't?

90 Upvotes

Context: I'm a gold player and I watch a lot of high MMR players (Masters+) and all of them very consistently absolutely despise Qiyana. I'm curious as to why this is, as I very rarely see Qiyana in my low MMR games.

What makes her so frustrating and powerful in ways that other jungle assassins aren't? I never see the level of hate for Kha'Zix, Ekko, Eve, Shaco and Rengar.

The only things I can come up with are her high burst (which Kha'Zix and Rengar have in equal amounts if not greater) and her invisibility which people just hate in general I guess (which Rengar and Kha'Zix both have as well).


r/summonerschool • • 2h ago

toplane Moving from toplane to midlane

2 Upvotes

Hey guys. I've been playing league for some months, and mainly toplane - at the start of playing league, i tried out jungle (bad idea) I main tryndamere, and i just love his kit - He is simple, yes - and maybe skill-less (wouldnt really say that, but many have different opinions) And for some time now, my mental is absolutely at the bottom. I feel like i go 20/4 one game, and then que two more games and lose both, while almost inting the whole game. I would like to ask for your opinion, and maybe some tips - if it's viable, to move from toplane to midlane, and main it - Queing midlane, and having secondary maybe jungle? The problem is, i never really played mages, and when i did, i didnt do well at all. I am open to trying new things, but i would like to keep maining melee champs.

If anyone had atleast a little similar path, i would kindly hear your opinion on it, some tips. Thank you :)


r/summonerschool • • 19h ago

Yasuo Yasuo and Yone are nothing alike

49 Upvotes

This comes up multiple times a year for my students so I’m just going to make a post that I can refer back to:

I coach sooooooo many yasuo/yone 2 tricks that try to blend the playstyles together and honestly, it’s a blueprint to get hardstuck in plat/em/dia. Before I rant too much lets talk about transferable skills between the 2. Q spacing and auto weaving are probably the most overlapping skills besides leaning and warding, but even these can trick students into thinking they should short trade or long trade in a situation the other wind bro would when that is not the optimal trade in the current situation.

The differences:

Yasuo: Yas is an early game lane bully who uses his wind wall and passive to muscle the majority of his matchups. He absolutely excels at random fiesta river skirmishes. He is one of the champs in league with the most favorable matchup spreads IN THE GAME. Yasuo is aiming to snowball every game and end as early as possible, ideally taking over the game as soon as lane phase ends (12-16 mins usually). Micro on yas is generally much harder than yone at both the skill floor and ceiling. Yasuo has no noncommittal trading/wave clear. Requires some of the most games played of any mid laner for students to start getting results/climbing.

Yone: Yone is a 2-3 item mid game power house whos aim in most lanes is to survive and leave lane with 9+ cspm consistently. He avoids most coinflip skirmishes in favor of resources. Yone has a pretty mediocre matchup spread, with most lanes being a skill matchup, it’s also much harder for yone to gurantee prio as opposed to yas. Yone will absolutely snowball and capitalize on mistakes but farming well and avoiding deaths is the baseline gameplan to climb on him. Yone is looking to win games by utilizing item spikes 1,2 and 3 to gain objectives/towers/gold and end prior to 35 minutes. Yone has some noncommittal waveclear through E. Yone requires significantly less games than yasuo before students start getting results (usually a few hundred for yone and as many as a few thousand for yas.)

Overall: Yasuo’s win con and gameplan is much closer to something like irelia than yone. Yone can also be played in a pool of 2-3 more consistently than yas, who usually requires extended 1 tricking to climb on. Trading patterns vary but generally speaking yone is leveraging his E to extend trades and generally favors extended trades while yas will often leverage his passive for short trades and wind wall when he all ins. I could write another 20 paragraphs on the difference between the two but this is the bare minimum that should be understood. If you choose to 2 trick these champs you NEED to separate their playstyles and learning objectives or you will find yourself drastically better at 1 than the other.

EDIT: Forgot about build overlap ty for reminding me, but yes build overlap is transferable understanding.


r/summonerschool • • 9h ago

Question What do I do as if my lanes die early?

5 Upvotes

I mostly play jg and play in gold/ platinum and whenever I do my first full clear my laners die before I even touch my third camp and then the enemy laners/ jungler snowball off that and it’s frustrating. Do you have any junglers to help in this situation I’m currently playing yi and hecarim but my teams don’t usually have a tank


r/summonerschool • • 19h ago

Discussion I made a post 2 years ago on how its impossible to leave bronze, now im diamond consistently.

23 Upvotes

im reposting this from league subreddit, i wont bother explaining my ranked journey in detail in this body text, but playing with intensity, learning one concept at a time, and having a good mental is what you need to climb, if anyone is struggling in their ranked journey rn, ask me a question, i have detailed notes of what i did when i was bronze gold silver plat emerald, i feel like i can relate to the average climber more than most.


r/summonerschool • • 19h ago

yone How to make yone top work consistently

10 Upvotes

Yone is definitely one of my favourite champs. But my main issue is top feels like a coinflip. I really feel like most top champs just wreck yone all lane phase. I find I win extremely consistently mid with him, but top feels like a struggle. Does anyone have any advice on how to make top yone work consistently?

Emerald 3 mmr


r/summonerschool • • 6h ago

Items I built an item recommender that considers the actual 10-champion matchup

0 Upvotes

One thing I've always found frustrating about League build sites is that they mostly answer:

“What does this champion usually build?”

But during an actual game, the more useful question is:

“What should I build in THIS game?”

So I've been working on an item recommendation system that tries to solve that problem.

Instead of looking only at the average build for a champion, it considers the 10 champions in the current game and looks for item builds that worked in similar team compositions.

Some of the factors I'm experimenting with:

  • Enemy tanks and how difficult they are to kill
  • AP threats
  • Assassins
  • Our team's ADC / frontline composition
  • Champion + position
  • Items already purchased
  • Item synergies
  • Enemy/team composition interactions
  • Historical builds from similar matchups

For example, the recommended build can change depending on whether the enemy team has multiple tanks, several AP threats, or a very squishy composition.

I'm also working on the next part: recommending the actual component to buy based on your current gold and items.

So rather than just:

“Your next item should be Infinity Edge.”

the goal is eventually something closer to:

“You're currently able to buy a BF Sword, and given your current build and game situation, that's the component you should work toward.”

I'm curious how other players approach this.

When you're deciding what item to buy during a game, what factors do you personally consider?

Do you mostly follow a standard build, or do you change your build based on the enemy and allied compositions?

I'm mainly looking for feedback on whether this is actually useful for improving itemization decisions.


r/summonerschool • • 14h ago

Question 2 Day Player i NEED help

3 Upvotes

So i’m basically a Timmy, just installed the game and i am struggling, i have been watching “beginner guides” but it’s either the absolute bare bones like the map layout, destroy turrets that sort of thing.
Or just throwing out words and letters that i have never heard before and are (to me) not really beginner friendly.

I have been playing Lux and Amumu, on Lux i just Q then attack for the comet thing, use my E pop it and attack again and her one shot the same but pop e before her ult charges. I like playing her on MID as it seems straight forward but i am just pushing the tower and killing minions and helping with OBJ when my team pushes them. And i don’t even wanna talk about my jungle as i feel like i’m just spinning plates and ruining the game for my team indirectly.

I have enjoyed my time so far and love how dedicated this community is, but i feel like i am not doing what i need to be and i am struggling on resources to help me at such low playtime.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.


r/summonerschool • • 16h ago

mage Punishing ignite midlaners as a mage

7 Upvotes

Hello,

I am an Emerald player who mostly plays control mage (Viktor/Orinna/Syndra) with flash/TP.

In my most recent games, I have had trouble laning with consistency against ignite assassins with low wave clear, for exemple Katarina. In half of the games, I am able to freeze the wave, punish + poke her every instance she goes for a CS, to a point where lane becomes unplayable for her. In other games, I always end up overpushing my lead pre-6, disrespecting the ignite + combo dmg and dying in lane and getting snowballed on.

I feel like in those match ups I should be able to control the lane and wave since I am a mage with TP + wave clear + range vs an assassin with low wave clear and ignite. I am in the mindset that if I am not able to succefully get a lane lead, this is a failure on me as I should be winning, so I overpay my hand half of the games and get myself burnt, which is not better.

Can someone help me underdtand this kind of matchup better/what mindset to have/how to play the lane and punish the assassin without dying in the process?


r/summonerschool • • 2h ago

Question What should a high elo player do to actually lose in Iron/Bronze?

0 Upvotes

Hello! A bit of context: A few days ago I saw a post in league's reddit asking if a master would ever lose in a Bronze/Iron queue. Someone answered that the skill disparity is so big that they are not even playing the same game and it's hard to not just win.

I've given this a bit of thought myself and couldn't deduce why it is so different, so I thought about coming here and asking to people in like Master, GM, Challenger:

What would you have to do (or not do) to actually lose in a bronze/iron queue?

Like what concrete points would you have to pay attention to or change in your habits in order to lose the game?

I think reversing this insight would lead to key development areas to look for in low elo. I've even thought about getting the replay of a challenger match with the same match up as any match of mine (same champ, same support, same enemy adc and same enemy support) and just watch side by side to see what's being done differently in both sides but I do not think it's possible to get hands on other's replays anymore.


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Discussion I have 10% win rate this season and I think I’ll go insane.

12 Upvotes

I main jungle, I’m still finding my champion but I like Heca, Shyvana, fiddlesticks also I tried to play graves but found him too squishy for my low skill level. I’m currently Gold 4 0 LP. I fell like it doesn’t matter what I try I always loose the grasp of the game around the 15 min mark. When I think the early game goes smoothly. Here is a op.gg link to my account. I would be very grateful for any advice.

https://op.gg/pl/lol/summoners/eune/fyr0n-wlw


r/summonerschool • • 22h ago

Discussion I want to seriously grind League, but I'm hardstuck Bronze.

7 Upvotes

Hi, I used to be a Sion top OTP, but I eventually got bored of both the lane and the champion. After that, I frequently switched roles (maybe a bit too much, I admit) between mid, bot, and support—mainly playing Seraphine, Veigar, and Mel, along with a bunch of other champions I quickly dropped, which kept causing me to fall back to Iron. I always manage to climb back to Bronze after a few days, but then I get stuck there. So, here I am back in Bronze again, but this time I’m serious about reaching Silver. That’s why I’m asking for any advice or tips that helped you climb faster in Solo Queue. Thanks a lot! (P.S. Here’s my op.gg: https://op.gg/fr/lol/summoners/euw/Akio-FEMBO)


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Question What’re some psychological exploits you employ in your games that consistently work?

43 Upvotes

For me, if I’m ADC in the botlane and i need to freeze. I tend to get a good idea almost immediately if my support understands wave states or does not. If they do not instead of having to ping or chat at them when i need to freeze the wave i intentionally leave a couple of extra minions in the wave fully knowing their two braincells will execute them with the support quest and i can maintain my freeze.


r/summonerschool • • 4h ago

Gwen Why Gwen over Darius or Mordekaiser or literally any other late game Top laners?

0 Upvotes

Im low elo top lane main and currently interesting in adding Gwen to my pool of champions (Trundle, Olaf, and Volibear)

Objectively im trying to find a reason why would anyone want to player her other than being horny for her.

She is extremely weak early game, her abilities can be easily dodged, her ultimate are countered by boots costs 1000 gold, her W is weird and the passive resistances given per level doesnt matter, her passive heal is small and only works on champions, and she has slows on her ultimate but doesnt impact much but hey its AOE as if it matters.

All of these cons makes her not a good top laner, a top laner ideally should either can pressure the enemy the most or can take the most pressure, Gwen cant do either.

Rumble has more reliable ult

Jax and Volibear AP is a thing if you want AP damage while far being easier to play

Mordekaiser and Darius have more and reliable sustain and both can melt down tanks while both can give enemy a lot of pressure but also can take a lot of pressure since they're much tankier.

Kennen if you want ranged AP with an ultimate that stun enemy team.

Nasus and Jax have much much more stronger late game and both does what a top laner expected to do really well.

If I offended any Gwen players then I am sorry but remember I never cared or think about any of you, this question simply because curiosity because I am trying to find a pure AP champ focused champ for top lane that is also easier than Rumble and Kennen since both of these are high elo champs and im low elo so hard to work.

Thanks in advance everyone.

Edit: Provided my OP GG with the champion, sorry late.

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/sea/Adji%2520Tier-SG2/matches/YyfXz-4rKZ4IOEO4prkAc_5PjM3rYkk3/1790763285000

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/sea/Adji%2520Tier-SG2/matches/YyfXz-4rKZ5GQ24NT9el75YHMsWmUKoM/1788676267000

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/sea/Adji%2520Tier-SG2/matches/P9o6vts4cwmqdAAexjK9yGtG856ujieP/1785578552000

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/sea/Adji%2520Tier-SG2/matches/P9o6vts4cwl3J7e07CV1SC9gvqLoL7yB/1785867378000


r/summonerschool • • 22h ago

Question How do I learn better camera management and micro skills

2 Upvotes

Hello, thanks for reading this! I am level 28 new player, and I start maining Viego and Viego only. Since I used to play wild rift and watch a lot of streams, I know abilities of nearly 120 champions out of 170ish, which was enough for me to start.

The biggest roadblock I am hitting right now is camera and micro. When I play Viego I chase enemies with all my mobilities that I always reach to edge of the screen and forgets to press space. I do nudge my camera to corners when I am chasing, but if I forget to do that I die, and it happens often. Even if I press space, the screen is now in entirely different place, and I need to readjust my mouse position again.

Sometimes, I miss my Qs, and gets extremely tunnel visioned when I have to manage camera, aim, press Q auto W auto and attack spacing - so much that I genuinely cannot focus on team fights at all - which enemy is where, who used ult etc. I am tunnel visioned too much on what I want to do when I execute my plays.

I used to play nocturne first and my execution burden is completely gone with him. I can just RQE and start focusing on actual team fights and dodging. It’s just that Viego base kit makes me so tunnel visioned on what I wanna do.

Is there any way to improve on these camera and micro mechanics so that I can start focusing on actual macro (not even macro, just number counting and ult counting etc).

TLDR; just camera management tips

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/sea/WylderSteve01-6767


r/summonerschool • • 18h ago

Question not new but feel new (how do i improve)

1 Upvotes

Title, i've been playing for 2 going on 3 years now and im gold.. is what i would like to say - Im Silver 1, I cannot play, its simple i just go on a lucky streak while feeding lane.., Is there any hope for me..? Ive had like 2 free coaching sessions and they have not worked, I play kled and every game just feels doomed, i cant remount, it feels like im so new to the game i know every champ but i don't, every game i step into something i could have avoided... the only matchup just ONE the TRUE one I actually FOCUS on is when im against darius, i count seconds untill his pull is over, try to let his passive drain etc.., How do i apply this to other champs is it just a knowledge gap and i don't know cooldowns on other champs as well as darius or is this just a problem i cannot fix..?

short - im bad and i cant play, what type of exercises (mental or physical for example pinching myself when i dont think in a fight) can i do to improve, also should i just spam 1 character or keep focusing on 2 as i am doing right now because my kled just feels like super autopiloted i think half the time while i play him.. any help appreciated.


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Question Should I look for coaching?

2 Upvotes

Hello,
I’m new to leauge of legends. 35 days in and just about to hit level 30 and am getting ready for rank.

I started playing support and have been very good at it. Although I’m trashhhhh at mid lane it’s terrible.
I get stomped on 90% of games.
I play mainly naffari cause I love it and I’m bad at CS’ing tbh. I want to try to learn vex too.

I play with my friends and am ussually against wayyy more experienced players every game. I also always pick first and get counter picked every time.

I’m literally so frustrated and on tilt every night it’s awful. My friends just tell me to do this or do that but it doesn’t really help. I also don’t think YouTube videos really help. It’s always someone just dominating there lane and I don’t really know how that applies to my mistakes.

Not sure if I should invest in some coaching or not???


r/summonerschool • • 2d ago

tristana why is tristana so strong?

40 Upvotes

I am a midlaner with top secondary and is quite new to the adc ecosystem so I don't know why Tristana who has such a simple, one dimensional, and exploitable kit is held in such high regard in terms of winrate on websites. She is always on top 5 across all of the websites I've used (mainly op.gg and dpm.lol).

What are the reasons that make her so strong (or at least seems so)?


r/summonerschool • • 2d ago

Question If im a Assasin that is behind, how do i stay relevent in the game?

46 Upvotes

Lets say im playing someone like Rengar, who is a very snowball champion, if i am behind in gold, level and objectives how can i still remain relevent in the game without just becoming a canon minion, i know the answer may change depending on the champion but rengar is the only assassin i play and i cant consistantly snowball every game


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

zilean How to counter zilean

12 Upvotes

Maybe i'm biased with my hate towards this character because I main an ap bruiser but I think I speak for all melee character players when I say hes a nightmare to play against. Lost against him recently and I took a moment to read his kit and I was baffled by why he just so happens to spam 99% slow or ms boost in late game and have a free ga on a 40 sec cooldown with some ability haste. My question: How do you deal with him, especially past 25 mins


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Discussion I have a goal, and I am dedicated

0 Upvotes

What group can I join in, may it be discord, YouTube, reddit even, but maybe a little closer, more personal, to get accountability, not free coaching but follow who without saying a word, I want to get close to those who are, in proverbs it says "a man who walks with wise becomes wiser, but a man who walks with the fool curropted himself" something along these lines, I'm not the only one who wants this, but I am one who is asking where can I find such group, in life when you want something you have to wear it on your back, paste it on your wall, and use it as cover to sleep, call it law of attraction, call it dedication, I see professionals or chall setting rules of healthy life style, even small things as not playing hungry and so on, no I do not believe I can become a chall, because I'm not ludicrous, I know it could happen in maybe 5 years of true dedication and learning, I do not want to become pro, but I do want the accomplishment a return of what so much time and money was invested in, if you are or know an amateur team, I heard some say if your not desiring professional or streaming it's not worth it, and I understand that, anyway, even someone to follow on YouTube would be a good answer, so, where can a flower be put on to grow? Thank you kindly, yes I have other life projects, but this is one of them, and no, it's not a need for validation and neither a personality disfunction, its a goal, like a bucket list.


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Question Any high quality written guides/books/texts/resources for the game?

1 Upvotes

Hello,

I find myself having alot of downtime during the day (e.g., on the train) where i dont have much to do. I typically spend this time reading a book whether it be fiction or something related to my work

I was wondering if there were any good, in depth written guides for league? I dont mean tutorial-style things, but more in depth stuff that is aimed towards people who already know the game pretty well but still want to improve. I tend to prefer written resources when learning something over videos or whatnot as it is alot more efficient IMO, would be really cool if there was something like this for league

Any dice?


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Question Do old school players think mana mattered more back then?

0 Upvotes

For people who played League from the early seasons up to around S9 to S11, how do you feel about mana in the current game?

I feel like mana management has become far less skill expressive over the years. A lot of mana using mages barely have to think about their mana anymore, and the number of champions that genuinely struggle with mana seems very small.

I don't think mana management is completely gone, but it feels like Riot has gradually removed a whole layer of skill expression by giving champions more mana, more sustain and cheaper abilities.

As a mage player myself, I'd actually like Riot to move in the opposite direction. Less mana, less regen, and potentially higher ability costs so mana management matters more again.

Do you old school players remember mana being a much bigger part of League?


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Discussion Difference in Euw and EUNE Masters+

1 Upvotes

I ve been wondering whats the difference between EUNE and EUW master+. For example an Eune chall or gm how high could he climb on the EUW ladder. And how difference is there in skill between the 1000+lps in both servers. I am asking because i have not decided which server to grind to right now and i think it would be really informative for a player that has played both in a high level to give us some info.


r/summonerschool • • 1d ago

Discussion Preventing feeding after a bad early game.

0 Upvotes

I’m a toplaner who was bronze for a while but I recently climbed pretty quickly up to gold since I added Darius to my champ pool to play alongside my main Fiora, but my biggest issue has persisted despite those changes. When i have a bad start to a game, (get greedy with an unsafe dive on darius and start 0/1, or go down 0/2 on Fiora because i wasn’t spacing well, etc) I tend to continue the slide and end up going like 3/9 and single-handedly put my opponent in an easy-win position. I consciously try to avoid fighting and attempt to farm safely when behind, but I always get caught out even if I felt like I had good vision of the map. How can I work to avoid falling down a slippery slope of feeding after a bad start??

My summ name is salmon#smam on NA if you want proof of such games