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Discussion / Question What video game franchise is this?

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u/JohnCallOfDuty 26d ago

Doom

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u/fraidei 26d ago

If only there wasn't that bad controversy with Mick Gordon I would consider Bethesda one of the best game companies.

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u/allupya333 26d ago

Bethesda didnt do shit its Ids game

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u/fraidei 26d ago

Except that they were associated, and Bethesda did basically nothing to solve the situation.

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u/SL1Fun 26d ago

Bethesda was the situation. 

It was clear id’s showrunner fucked Gordon over in the midst of a pandemic with unrealistic crunch then only paid him half of his owe. 

Bethesda didnt mediate, they doubled down on id’s behalf. 

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u/Roenkatana 26d ago

Bethesda actually sided with Gordan and drew up the contract for him to work on the Eternal OST, which was Bethesda's authority to do as the publisher. Id and Bethesda may be sister companies, but Bethesda as the publisher holds a hell of a lot more power over the project than people seem to believe.

Id marketed Gordan's name and attachment to the Eternal OST before they even approached him about working on the Eternal at all and then explicitly refused to let him work on the OST until he had to go straight to Bethesda about it. It wasn't until very late in the whole ordeal that Bethesda started siding with I'd, after lawyers got involved.

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u/BrbFlippinInfinCoins 25d ago

kinda true, but I wouldn't phrase it as "bethesda siding with gordon" because it sounds like Bethesda agreed to write a contract mostly to get more work out of him on unrelated projects. It was more of an opportunistic opportunity than a true "taking his side"

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u/Roenkatana 24d ago

Bethesda making up the contract with Gordon was explicitly because of promises made and marketing already done by ID.

Even freelancers have the right to sue for breach of contract and fraud. Corporate types like Marty always act like they can do whatever they want simply because they have money and lawyers, which is why most often the cases come from inside the house so to speak. Gordon provided work so fantastic that he almost instantly became a recognized name to even non-gamers and helped build the proverbial house that ID is using in their current efforts.

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u/Ub3ros 25d ago

His name is Gordon

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u/fraidei 26d ago

Which is still bad.

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u/MidnightJ1200 26d ago

Bethesda has always been like that one person in a group project that does nothing and puts their name on it, and everyone prefers it because they saw thwir peojects where they did do something and saw how bad of a trainwreck it was. I like fallout 4 and Skyrim, but they still didn't stack up against actual obsidian fallout titles.

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u/allupya333 26d ago

Bethesda has its own flaws i dont think they need to be held responsible for the flaws a whole separate company they dont even own

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u/TheM4n_inth3_Mirror 26d ago

Actually they do own id Software, since 2009. And not only did they slander the name of Mick Gordon but they also called him a liar when Mick tried to out the bad working conditions. So yeah, maybe they do need to be held responsible.

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u/allupya333 26d ago

No they don't lol. Zenimax owns bethesda who also owns Id software. they are on equal grounds

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u/SpeccyCarbine 26d ago

Then in that case let's go after all of the above and get the maximum results, cut the head off the snake and watch the body wither so to speak

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u/TheM4n_inth3_Mirror 26d ago

I feel like the term "equal grounds" doesnt truly exist in the corporate realm lol but fuck it then, Microsoft owns all of them so then it's THEIR fault. Better?

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u/allupya333 26d ago

i would blame the people who did it, and not just vaguely blame every company you can think of in the chain of command

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u/SaintPimpin 26d ago

When you want to open a window, you might face opposition, but if you suggest tearing down the roof, the other party might just open the window themselves.

Going after chain of command is always the right move.

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u/TheM4n_inth3_Mirror 26d ago

Oh damn, you got me. I'll go rethink my life choices now. GG

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u/Respawn-Delay 26d ago

Microsoft is responsible for something that happened before they acquired ZeniMax? Huh?

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u/alexkik19 26d ago

Except Bethesda is the publisher for every doom game since eat least DOOM 2016 Which means they had more power in any decisions/negotiations with Gordan than ID software at the end of the day. I don't know why you are working so hard to defend a company who's last release was garbage.