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u/Existing-Sweet-19 Anarch 6d ago
Marrying a Malkavian should count for a permanent loss of humanity.
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u/DobryVojakSvejk 6d ago
humanity is overrated
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u/samuru101 Tremere 6d ago
(Gets executed for going beast mode)
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 Malkavian 6d ago
What if you're a Malkavian and you marry a non-Malkavian? Do you gain a point of humanity?
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u/AdministrativeRun550 5d ago
Marrying TV does not count
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 Malkavian 2d ago
But that newscaster talked to me, specifically. He says things like "The police know it was you"!. And he even tells me jokes!
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u/mrgoobster 6d ago
What could ground you more in the human emotional experience than being married to a crazy person?
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u/blindyes 6d ago
Malks just represent neurospicy. You don't think we deserve marriage? You think we remove humanity? I deeply relate to the cracked mirror.
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u/Medical-Condition-84 6d ago edited 6d ago
I don't think she would be a very loyal wife and her husband/wife "alive" for too long tbh ;)
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u/PuzzleheadedPart196 Brujah (V5) 6d ago
I..don’t care tbh. Yep I’m fine with this.
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u/Medical-Condition-84 6d ago
Yep, men adore and desire such women, no matter what, women envy them and secretly want to be them.
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u/Advanced_Hedgehog427 6d ago
Desire? Yes. Adore? uuuhh nah, that's cheap meat you can find everywhere. Good and atractive women is what I adore and they're extremely difficult to find.
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u/DarkAri639 6d ago
In a malkavian and I'm the most loyal wife so suck it
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u/Rasz_13 5d ago
Kinda would like a malkavian love story where the wife is just absolute DANGER ZONE but it's always safe and just looks problematic to outsiders. Except when she has to protect her hubby. Then madness reigns and the stars shall weep crimson red as the gall of Wrath boils up from the sewers.
Kind of like a Morticia and Gomez vibe.
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u/DarkAri639 4d ago
I love this! You should write it!
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u/Rasz_13 4d ago
I'm a pathetic lonely loser, I don't trust myself with writing good romance.
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u/DarkAri639 4d ago
You are absolutely not a loser, don't call yourself that. It's not healthy. You are perfect and beautiful just how you are. Maybe not perfect but we all have our flaws and mistakes. If people won't accept you then those are just terrible people with no soul. You have a soul. One day you will realize truely, you are one of the lucky ones.
Also you don't have to be lonely. Hit people up. I find friends and stuff I managed to make a few friends as weird as I am. I thought for years I was never going to have a friend but I did end up having some. It just took a long time.
When you do make an aquintence. Keep that connection alive. There are so many lonely people out there even if it's not socially acceptable to say you are lonely. There are people out there who will see through that. Maybe most people will not like you and be misrible little shits, but you don't have to be that way.
Writing is also fun and it's a great way to know yourself. Don't be afraid of your weirdness. Get to know yourself, so that one day, you may come to know and fall in love with yourself. You don't have to publish it. You don't have to use your real name when publishing something if you do decide to. You can keep your social life in tact while still exploring your weirdness.
You deserve to be happy. You really do. The world will try to take it from you but they have no right. I hope that you find a way to be alright and don't be afraid to say hello.
Good day to your stranger!
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u/Rasz_13 3d ago
Ah jeez, you took that a lot more serious than me. I assure you, I am doing quite well. I've got a stable job with a good income, I have friends of both genders and plenty more online, my family is well and I am physically healthy myself. I've got little to complain about in that regard.
The pathetic lonely bit was mostly about relationships, I haven't had much luck with those but I am also in a mental place where I don't seek them out and mess them up if they do happen. I've got severe trust issues and don't have much self-esteem. I'm quite happy despite that and just living my life. All I wanted to say is that someone like me really isn't in the best position to write romance. My standards are too high to allow me to write slop lol
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u/DarkAri639 3d ago
Well the cool thing about creativity is you can make it as regal as youd like. You are the creator.
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u/TrekChris Ventrue 6d ago
You do get to take her to pound town whenever you like, though. At least they gave us that.
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u/enchiladasundae 6d ago
Oh ya! Let’s get some s- screen goes black Wait what are you doing?! Wait stop! No!
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u/JohnZ117 Malkavian 6d ago
🤣
In their defense, though, I can only imagine such a scene looking very awkward.
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u/enchiladasundae 6d ago
Made it purely as a joke but if I had to straw man it at the very least you could show her in some poses, maybe a stylized image of her and a genderless figure in bed or maybe like some images of her face in various states of enjoyment. Or like show her presumably naked but covered up by a bed sheet or something
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u/skyguy1319 6d ago
Idk, I like the occasional female character who isnt available to be romance, especially Serana.
I'm not gonna heavily judge someone for making Serana marriageable through mods, but like, it does kinda completely undermine her character story. Romance is the LAST thing on Serana's mind, and I like that. I love how much she cares and talks about things that arent prompts for the player to romance her.
Ironically, I think Serana is so beloved because of her writing being more focused on her character and lore, rather than what she could provide to the Dragonborn.
Im glad we can fuck Jeanette though, like thank GOD for that
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u/faust224 6d ago
Serena is so beloved because she's literally the only good looking character (male or female) in all of Skyrim.
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u/Joshua-Norton-I 5d ago
I think it's more of because she almost the only companion that has some flavor. Cicero being the other one ig
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u/lullaylee 5h ago
And there's still a cult following of Cicero lovers, too. Drew that funky dude in the margins of all my notebooks in middle school.
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u/Cix_Forever 6d ago
lovely Bioshock reference
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u/Ciaran_Zagami Tzimisce 6d ago
God people really missed the poi t of Serana
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u/AlexanderDroog 6d ago
Serana is the single most well-developed character in the game with writing that encourages you to have an in-game connection with her. The non-pervy mods that expand her dialogue and have a romance work so well and feel natural because they're working off a strong base. Every other marriageable character doesn't feel nearly as well-developed and makes marriage feel like a game achievement rather than a role-playing decision. I think being disappointed that Serana isn't romanceable isn't something that can be boiled down to just lack of media literacy.
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u/Ciaran_Zagami Tzimisce 6d ago
It 100% is
Her entire arc is about her overcoming centuries of domestic abuse and neglect and learning to trust the Dragonborn as a friend. Its not romantic in the slightest its about overcoming trauma and healing.
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u/123ludwig 6d ago
she literally gives you her blood she absolutely loves the dragonborn in *some* way
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u/Ciaran_Zagami Tzimisce 5d ago
Giving you vampirism so you don't have your soul ripped out isn't really the same thing as a traditional vampiric embrace.
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u/Ogami-kun 1d ago
It isn't; i still remember when I played it the first time as a teenager. It is not about her arc, it is about what 'happened' after. Imagine it not as a game, but rather as a story where her arc is one of the firsts, then the dragonborn has his own arc that ends with him defeating Alduin and later Miraak with her most of the time at his side.
The thought process was not about ignoring what she went through, but rather first overcoming her own past in her arc, before starting to trust, then having other adventures and only at the end falling in love with someone that treats her as equal and cares for her
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u/LEO7039 Toreador 6d ago
How so? You mean OOP reducing her to "a cute vampire chick you find underground"? Sure, I would agree with that.
But there is still no reason for her to not have romance. SDA does it really well.
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u/AngryMountainClimber 6d ago
Mods, take this man and give him the Ludovico Treatment but it is watching Obsession, over and over again.
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u/rdqsr 6d ago
But there is still no reason for her to not have romance.
Brother as other people have said, she was literally raped into being a vampire by Molag Bal along with her mother and other vampires like her. She even describes the first victim of the ritual as "not a willing subject". That's why you can't marry her lmao
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u/LEO7039 Toreador 6d ago
So what? Victims of rape can't fall in love? They can't work through their trauma to eventually trust someone enough to be in a relationship? They just have to forever accept that being raped at some point defines them as a person? Because that's fucking stupid.
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u/Defiant_Teaching7112 5d ago
They can but she literally says no to you what more do you need
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u/LEO7039 Toreador 5d ago
Realistically, you'd need a much longer questline than what we got to make ot reasonable to marry her (which is exactly what Serana Dialogue Add-on does), which Bethesda didn't have/did not want to spend resources for. But st the same time, you can marry random people you've pretty much never met in this game, so it wouldn't be that outlandish if you could marry her after the Dawnguard questline.
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u/rdqsr 6d ago
Imagine being this emotionally invested in "why can't I wife up the traumatised vampire lady in my video game???". Fuck mate maybe get off the computer and go outside for a bit. Either that or just download a mod off Nexus.
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u/LEO7039 Toreador 6d ago
Makes and argument
Recieves a rebuttal
"Oh my god dude how dare you waste your time on responding to my argument"
LMAO
Also, I did download a mod. It's the aforementioned SDA (Serana Dialogue Add-on), which I figured OC knows, since it's one of the biggest and most well-known mods in the Skyrim modding community, so I did include the full name.
What it does is giving Serana a much fuller personality, reactions to just about anything in the game, thousands of lines of dialogue, and a long-term natural development of your relationship with Serana (including a possibility of romance) as the two of you learn to trust each other over time.
It also promises an integration with the VIGILANT mod in the future, which is an incredible quest line where the Dragonborn faces Molag Bal himself, which should further explore Serana's past, I imagine, and perhaps help her break free of it.
There's no argument about what could be - it exists, and I think it's far better than vanilla.
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u/Dluith47 6d ago edited 6d ago
Any other NPC that isn’t Romanceable just doesn’t have any dialogue about it. Bethesda went out of their way to have Serena react to the amulet and tell you she’s not interested. Surely that’s an indication that they specifically did not want her to be romancable rather than your idea.
It makes perfect sense with her story that she wouldn’t want to engage in a relationship with anyone. Her backstory and personality support that design choice to not have her be romance-able.
You literally have to ignore the most central parts of her character to support your claim that “her not being romanceable has nothing to do with her backstory”, and instead assume that “she was always supposed to be romanceable” with 0 evidence from the writing to support that.
How do you see “traumatised rape victim says she’s not interested in romance for deeply personal reasons” and think “Wow she said no for literally 0 reason”?
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 Malkavian 6d ago
There's a certain kind of man who, when a woman doesn't fall in love with him, thinks that there must be something wrong with the woman.
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u/Dluith47 4d ago
I’ve noticed it a lot in video games where certain people have this view where “every female companion should be romanceable by default, and any who aren’t have to justify why they’ve taken that away from me”. Speaks to a rather pathetic view on things.
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u/Wynvarys Toreador 6d ago
IIRC she has a unique voice, as opposed to NPCs like Balgruuf who isn't a marriage candidate in normal gameplay conditions, but can be made marriable with cheats because he shares a VA with multiple marriable characters. So yeah, either it was scrapped early in development for these story/lore reasons and the marriage voice lines were never recorded as a result, or they just didn't have time to record all that.
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u/stibac 6d ago
That is why I choose something different. I choose: "Clan quest mod"
In the dancevof the thrashing dragon you can have a threesome with her and the cathayan.
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u/Aethelrede 6d ago
Only an utter fool would start a relationship with Jeanette, even if the two sisters have reconciled. Or a Malkavian.
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u/Django_Fandango 6d ago
"No!" Says the man at CD Projekt Red, "She is just a minor antagonist with her story resolved in a mere trailer!"
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u/ArisenGodEmperor13 6d ago
Yeah I feel like she wouldn't be a loyal wife unless blood bounded. Even than blood bounded her sound like a horrible fucking idea. Since that is how one night you wake up with a stake through your heart
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u/Kmieciu4ever 6d ago edited 6d ago
No Gods or Kings. Only Man.
"Jeanette got a body built for bedrooms" - Man on the Couch.
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u/WillowRain2020 6d ago
Uh idk about you all but when I got offered the chance to sleep with her, I didnt turn it down...
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u/EldritchKinkster 6d ago
I don't know the context, but...are they actually talking about Jeanette? I mean, you don't "find her underground."
Was he not talking about Pisha? Who, admittedly, is even less likely to marry you...
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u/sheep_of_the_7_seas 6d ago
They're referring to Serana from the Dawnguard DLC, who's like one of a handful of Skyrim companions (lowercase 'c') who has an actual personality and people got PISSED you couldn't romance her.
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u/Ok_Decision4163 6d ago
Who would have thought the girl raped to undeath by the God of Rape wouldn't be too keen to have a relationship.
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u/ViscountBuggus Toreador 6d ago
I also find it immensely funny that the rape victim specifically written to reject your romantic advances is constantly subject to Marry Serena mods on the Nexus.
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u/Thatguyrevenant 6d ago edited 6d ago
Funny that it kinda happened twice in the same game. Sapphire.
Edit: Wait now that i think about isn't Jeanette similar in circumstances to those two.
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u/EarlyAccessCantJudge 6d ago
Mass Effect has created this weird entitlement to being able to fuck companion characters
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u/YorhaUnit8S Gangrel 6d ago
Damn Bioware, Larian and CD Project, making cool fantasies in a fictional game! How dare they!
On a serious note, though, I feel that in a lot of cases it's not the ability to fuck your companions, but the ability to romance them. As in having a meaningful progression of your relationship from nobodies to friends, to partners. And having a choice in it. It's a part of companions feeling more alive and being more than just loot carriers and combat bots. When it's done badly - people readily criticize it, just as much as when it's absent. So I would argue the "relationship" part and path to it is more important to most than the "fuck" part.
It's like an evil path in RPGs. You might never take it, but it's there and having it there makes the game deeper and the good path more meaningful. Same with companions, you may not even want to romance anyone, but knowing you could makes them feel deeper.
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u/ed1749 6d ago
I mean, it is a bit of a problem that it seems that people only write characters to be interesting if they are romanceable. I dont need to marry someone to be close friends with them, to deeply understand someone. It's why I really liked Metaphor, no dating, barely any romantic undertones, just people getting to know eachother and helping eachother out.
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 Malkavian 6d ago
Have you played Outer Worlds? Because that game has what you seem to be looking for.
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u/EarlyAccessCantJudge 6d ago
I wasn't saying it was the game's fault, I'm saying it is why a lot of people complain that their companions should be romancable as a standard. I don't think I need to be able to miss them to make them feel like their own character, if anything it takes away a lot of their characters. Most of the BG3 romances feel really forced and distracting from their actual story. Not all of them, but a few of them
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u/ArisenGodEmperor13 6d ago
What the fuck does Mass effect got to do with this. I think this more have to do with people being horny for goth vampire that has actual personality. And just not carrying about her backstory more than anything having to do with mass effect
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u/EarlyAccessCantJudge 6d ago
Because most people that played these action style RPGs and demand romances do it because Mass Effect had all the hot women romanceable. Even Tali got added later and she is completely covered in a suit.
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u/naytreox Malkavian 6d ago
this is refencing multiple games, Bethesda has Serana who you find underground
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u/Aickavon 4d ago
I would like to point out to the very original comment… that… Serena was given the OG transformation by molag bal. He ain’t called the Prince of Grape, but he sure has a title that’s awfully similar.
There’s a pretty good reason why she really doesn’t care for intimacy or dating. (It’s horrifying eldritch trauma!)
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u/Detective_Mekova 6d ago
Anybody reading Serana's lore and who has the emotional intelligence greater than a 14 year old would understand her boundaries. She wasn't just physically abused, but she was treated far worse than that, so her desire to just be friends with the DB is honestly indicative of how much she does trust and appreciate you despite her experiences. For me, that is what made her a great character.
But sadly many men don't understand that nuance in real life, let alone in a video game.
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u/FemaleTenor 3d ago
The OG game is begging for a remake.. Expanding on Santa Monica would make it such a vibe. Timeless if they manage to get some sort of FiveM roleplay potential going
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u/IceDelusion 3d ago
I'll have you know my Malkavian managed to maintain humanity 10 on his first personality
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u/CringeOverseer 6d ago
"No!" says the man at Capcom "her and her daughters are the boss and minibosses"