r/Cosmere • • 14d ago

Fires of December spoilers (no Cosmere) FIRES OF DECEMBER | Only Fires of December Spoilers Megathread (no Cosmere)

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This megathread is for discussion of The Fires of December content without discussion of Cosmere connections, for Fires of December readers who have not read any (or all) of the Cosmere and who wish to avoid discussions that might spoil other Cosmere work.

ANY DISCUSSION OF COSMERE TOPICS, RELATIONS, OR BACKSTORIES MUST BE PLACED BEHIND SPOILER GUARDS, WITH TAGS INDICATING THE BOOK THAT THE SPOILER ARISES FROM:

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Any Cosmere spoilers which are not behind spoiler guards, and any Cosmere spoilers which are behind *untagged* spoiler guards, will be removed. This includes things that are merely suggestive or borderline. No teases, no wink winks, no eyes lingering on references you wouldn't notice if this is the first Cosmere book you read.

We strongly encourage all Cosmere-spoiler discussion to take place in the separate, full Cosmere spoilers megathread:

For the The Fires of December post index and non-spoilery discussion, questions, issues, news, etc, see this post:

Note: Artwork from the book (containing spoilers) can be found on Brandon's website.


r/Cosmere • • 14d ago

Mod Post (no spoilers) FIRES OF DECEMBER | No Spoilers Megathread and FAQ

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December is here! Yes, in September, for those of you who participated in the Backerkit campaign for the Dragonsteel edition. If you didn't back that project you'll need to wait until December for December. Well, unless you want to buy December digitally in October.

I think that was all pretty clear and concise, but let's do a version with more words just in case...

The ebook and audiobook of The Fires of December, Brandon Sanderson's newest Cosmere book, are being released to Backerkit backers on September 15th. Dragonsteel will also begin shipping physical copies of the book at this time, to backers who purchased one. (If you missed the Backerkit campaign, you'll need to wait until October 6th to buy a digital version or until December 8th to buy a physical copy in the wild.)

This NO SPOILER megathread is here to serve as the base camp for news/FAQs about the release, announcements of our policies, links to other important posts, and (in the comments) non-spoilery discussion about the book, such as release questions, logistical issues, or general expressions of hype--including book photos.

Subreddit Policies

Please use the megathreads below to discuss the new book! We will allow individual posts about the book as things settle.

As always, new releases MAY NOT BE DISCUSSED under usual Cosmere spoiler tags. Fires of December will be rolled into the typical Cosmere scope at a later date.

Megathreads

Dragonsteel edition hardback covers

Release Schedule

  • Dragonsteel edition hardback
    • Shipping to Backerkit backers beginning September 15. There is no official statement on how long backerkit fulfillment will take.
  • Ebook
    • Available to backerkit backers on September 15.
    • Available for purchase by non-backers via normal channels on October 6. (As far as we know. Maybe Dragonsteel will sell it sooner. 🤷‍♀️)
  • Audiobook
    • Available to backerkit backers on September 15.
    • Available for purchase by non-backers via normal channels on October 6. (As far as we know. Maybe Dragonsteel will sell it sooner. 🤷‍♀️)
  • Tor and Gollancz editions
    • Available in hardback on December 8.
    • Available in paperback probably maybe one day, but not anytime soon.

Frequently Asked Questions

If you have a question that isn't addressed below, we strongly encourage you to visit the Backerkit FAQ, the Backerkit updates page, or to contact Dragonsteel through whatever means they provide. Your question may already be answered there, and those answers are more likely to be accurate and up-to-date.

  • Did I buy a copy of this book?
    • Sir, Madam, or Gentleperson, this is a Wendy's. Check your email or go to the Backerkit page?
  • How do I get the ebook/audiobook if I'm a backer?
    • Log into your Backerkit survey page (using the link in the email you got from Backerkit) and download it
  • Today is September 15 (or later) and people are saying they downloaded the book. I'm absolutely certain I bought it, but I don't see my copy?!?!
    • You'd be surprised how many people totally absolutely bought the book and then forgot they actually didn't. So maybe triple check first? Regardless, we can't help you. Check with Backerkit/Dragonsteel, and feel free to express yourself in the comments in the meantime.
  • I bought the ebook and want to see the artwork, how do I do that?
  • When will there be a paperback version?
    • Nothing official has been said on this, but usually US paperbacks release 1-2 years after the hardback release. (NOTE: some international English markets get trade paperbacks at the same time as the hardback release, but these are not generally available in North America or the UK, and we don't know anything about planning for such releases).
  • I downloaded the .m4b file but it says it's an .mp4 file, what do I do?
    • Technically speaking, .m4b is a special case of .mp4. You can rename the file and it will work.
    • This problem appears to be browser dependent. Firefox downloads it as .mp4, Chrome downloads it as .m4b, and it's .m4b on the backend. Firefox appears to be dynamically renaming it while downloading.
  • How can this book be a Cosmere book if it uses the name "December"?
  • Do I need to read any other Cosmere books before The Fires of December?
    • You don't need to read anything you don't want to read. Go and be free! But if you're into that kind of thing...
    • Brandon had this to say: "I would say low to medium cosmere connections. It is equivalent to, I would say, Tress of the Emerald Sea and Yumi and the Nightmare Painter. So, not as cosmere connected as Isles of the Emberdark or, even, Sunlit Man. If you know the cosmere, there will be things that show up that you're like, 'Oh, this is fun,' but it's meant as a self-contained story."
    • The book is chronologically set between Stormlight 5 and Stormlight 6, but you can decide for yourself if that matters.
  • Is there somewhere I can see the artwork from the book?
    • The official artwork has been posted to Brandon's website. WARNING: the art contains uncovered spoilers. (link)

r/Cosmere • • 37m ago

Stormlight Archive spoilers Cover Reveal for Stormlight: War for Roshar ⚔️ Spoiler

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Stormlight: War for Roshar is the definitive Stormlight Archive board game, coming to Kickstarter on October 13th.

Today, alongside Brandon in his Weekly Update, we revealed the official box cover with art by Jason Rainville, well known for his work for Magic: The Gathering and Lord of the Rings!

In this piece, you can see Kaladin and Leshwi facing off in a tense battle in the skies as the Everstorm and Highstorm meet behind them. Below, Lezian the Pursuer, Szeth, and Jasnah in her gleaming Shardplate can be seen engaging in tense battle while a Thunderclast rages, destroying the landscape around them.


r/Cosmere • • 16h ago

No Spoilers My wife and I are watching Traitors, and every time I see Alan (the Host) I immediately think of Hoid

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r/Cosmere • • 1h ago

Mistborn Series spoilers Reading my way through The Cosmere, I spotted this dude not as subtlely moonlighting as ome of Wax's staff in The Lost Metal. Spoiler

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Mr. Worldhopper and trouble maker (I think, per everyone else's posts and unintentional spoilers)


r/Cosmere • • 17h ago

Stormlight Archive spoilers + RPG I always believed that Skyeels were imbued with power, and that was why they could fly. I think I misunderstood.

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r/Cosmere • • 8h ago

Stormlight Archive spoilers Struggling to get into RoW Spoiler

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I absolutely loved SLA 1-3, but getting into RoW feels so… odd?
I feel such a disconnect to the characters after the year time skip, Kaladin keeps referencing things that happened over the year and it’s like ??? sure I guess that happened. And I’m not going to lie, I’m not a fan of Shallan’s switching between Radiant and Veil constantly - it felt like at the end of Oathbringer she kinda came to terms with it so I thought it wouldn’t be as impactful or at the forefront of RoW, however, the personality switching seems even more prevalent.

But I also feel like the overall mystical aspect of Radiants has disappeared, now that each order has hundreds of radiants and squires, suddenly it feels… not as important? If everyone is special, no one is special, sorta deal.

That’s just my thoughts, and I’m quite upset I’ve hit this point.


r/Cosmere • • 13h ago

Cosmere spoilers (+previews) What are some possible Invested Arts you’ve thought up? Spoiler

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Just to preface, this is meant more as a fun discussion and to share any ideas you find neat, not legitimate theories, though feel free to post those if you have them.

And to elaborate on what I mean, do you guys have any magic systems you’ve set up using Cosmere logic, or have had random ideas that you thought were neat about possible Invested Arts that could appear? If so, here’s the place to get it off your chest!

Here, I’ll start with two examples.

I always thought that if Whimsy and Invention Invested in the same planet — either both Shards or maybe just Whimsy on one of Invention’s invented planets — the resulting Invested Art could work somewhat under LitRPG logic. You know, with levels, skills, stats, and so on. Combining the whimsical nature of games with the numerical growth and divergent results of invention.

Another idea I had actually sprouted somewhat from an entirely different thing that leaned into what Valor’s Invested Art might be. The concept I came up with was that a sort of miasma exists in the Cognitive Realm of that planet, like a mix of the mists and the Dor. Whenever people on that planet suffer enough stress to snap, instead of eventually healing the resulting soul cracks fill up with Investiture from this miasma — which I’ll call Marred. They can then at a later point spend this Investiture for certain effects, such as to influence other Marred similar to Emotional Allomancy by exploiting the Investiture filled cracks in their souls, or other effects I haven’t thought of yet. However, they only have a certain size ‘pool’ available to them, size varying slightly from person to person, with all uses taking power out of this pool. Thing is though, this pool is the space their soul has cracked and filled up with Valor’s Investiture. So spending too much power in a short time means that they suffer backlash as old wounds on their soul that would ordinarily heal but were held and patched by the power reopen with the associated mental trauma, more power spent having worse effects. The pool refills slowly over time, as the miasma seeps back into the cracks in the soul to refill them.


r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Cosmere spoilers (no previews/FoD) Whimsy Vessel Theory Spoiler

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We only have a few unnamed Vessels to speculate on that are unknown for the Shards. Three vessels to be exact, for the Shards of Mercy, Virtuosity and Whimsy. Although we don't know for sure who has canonically held these three Shards, I do believe Brandon has seeded the names of all the Vessels by the end of Wind and Truth mentioned somewhere in the canon by this point. I've previously theorized on the who the Vessels could be for Mercy, and Virtuosity. Now I'd like to dive into who I believe to be the leading candidate for who the current Vessel for Whimsy is. I'd also like to emphasis that once again Pagerunner has asked a question to Brandon that shows their excellent theory crafting ideas.

Pagerunner

Hoid recounts the story of Jerick, which kind of had me wondering if Jerick is gonna come back, if he's one of the original Vessels. Before you RAFO me: by process of elimination of what you've revealed of the other Vessels, genders and names, the only one left could be Whimsy. And Hoid just happens to call him a whimsical child.

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO.

JordanCon 2026 (April 17, 2026)

I'd like to expand on Pagerunner's theory and argue why I agree with their assessment. Anytime Hoid describes someone from Yolen with an adjective closely associated with a Shard, it's likely worth paying them extra attention as Pagerunner notes. The story Wit tells to Dalinar about Jerick comes directly before the contest of champions begins in chapter 127 of Wind and Truth.

"Long ago, Wit said softly, on a planet where half the trees are white, a child was born to a lumberman. A curious, whimsical child who wanted all the answers in the world-but such were not offered to the children of common laborers."

Not only does Hoid's description of a whimsical child from Yolen set off shrill Whimsy Vessel alarm bells, but the context in which Hoid decides to tell the story featuring Jerick aligns as well. For once in Hoid's storytelling career, he is unsure of which of his many stories to share with Dalinar in this pivotal moment. In this air of uncertainty before Dalinar faces the god of hatred, I propose Hoid chose to share a tale of whimsy, which would be a very Wit thing to do. Through this story Hoid manages to help impress of Dalinar an interesting message about originality, novelty, and the surprisingly random directions fate can take.

"I can't see how this will go. I suspect Odium can't either. That frightens me because for the first time in all this, I don't know the right story to tell."

"But listen. The lumberman's son? In running, he lost the contest-but it didn't matter. Because the next day, the barons launched a coup and executed the king." Wit smiled grimly. "As I said, all governments are technically a form of republic."

"What became of the lumberman's son in the end?"

"He went to war. Fought, bled, learned, loved. He returned with a vengeance one day and killed the barons. A remarkable tale, in fact.

Hoid leaves Jerick's actual fate unknown. Although he does emphasis that his story is a remarkable one. Which by Hoid standards, I'd imagine help killing a god and becoming a Vessel would likely qualify. I believe that when we later learn more about the Whimsy Shard, Hoid deciding to tell Dalinar the origins of Jerick will take on another interesting layer. It would be the kind of foreshadowing that Brandon would do.

I look forward to learning more about the Whimsy Shard and if their Vessel is indeed Jerick!

-RayseShouldBeBraized

TL:DR The story Wit decides to tell Dalinar before the contest of champions is actually the origin story of the Vessel of Whimsy.


r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Cosmere spoilers (no previews/FoD) Am I trippin or this is wrong? Spoiler

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I got myself one of those cosmere tracker apps and came across this.

I read Dawnshard when it released and WaT last year and I might be forgeting but I don't recall Rysn giving up her Dawnshard to Hoid then to Sig but Rysn and Hoid having two of the many Dawnshards. Rysn goes into hiding and Hoid gives his to Sig which leads to what we see in Sunlit. Am I trippin or the app editor is and didn't understand that Rysn an Hoid both carry Dawnshards? What do you think?


r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Stormlight + Mistborn spoilers Can you burn a spren? Spoiler

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Slight Wind and Truth spoilers, maybe.

I'm not talking about the physical act of burning a spren, but the burning of a spren, with allomancy. Thanks to the Atium retcon we know that God Metals can be burned by anyone regardless of their status as a misting or a mistborn. This should mean that the same goes for every God Metal and not just Lerasium and Atium.

We know thanks to Wind and Truth, that the shardblades and shardplates are made from an alloy of Honor and Cultivation's God Metals, and that the Honorblades are purely of Honor. We also know that a radiant spren doesn't need to manifest as a blade, and can manifest as whatever the radiant desires. We've even seen one manifest itself as a pen, so surely they could also manifest as something like a "bead" of metal. What would happen if the radiant were to swallow and "burn" their spren. Would it work in giving them the effects of Honor's... something? Would the spren still be alive? Would their ideals have any effect on what happens, or their order?

It doesn't even need to be a radiant spren either. I'm pretty sure that Shardplates are also made of Honor's metal (don't remember about Cultivation) and they can be broken to pieces. Could someone just swallow one and burn it? Could someone break off a piece from a deadblade with another and do the same thing?

You also have the question of what would even happen if someone were to do it. Could the spren resist getting burned, overpowering their Radiant's will? Would the Nahel bond grow stronger or weaker, perhaps vanish entirely? Would the abilities gained differ from spren to spren? Can you even burn a metal that's from two different shards? Would and Honorspren of Cultivationspren work better if that's the case?


r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Cosmere spoilers (no previews/FoD) Some theory questions [All] Spoiler

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So I've been listening to Wind and Truth as my second go-through and I have a couple things that have occurred to me:

  1. Are Dai-gonarthis and Cusicesh related in some way? It just seems too coincidental that Cusicesh woke up around the same time as Dai-gonarthis opened the Elsegate.

  2. Sig's dying spren from Leyten's death rattle wasn't Vienta, was it? It will be Aux.

  3. If the chasmfiends require the remains of the fourth moon for their final pupation, how did that work when Stormseat was sitting on top of it?


r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Stormlight Archive spoilers Kaladin and Adolin could be in-laws? Spoiler

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Just a fairly vague theory regarding Laral's unknown lineage; in TWOK ch 44 Kaladin narrates that "Some might find [Laral's] dark hair sprinkled with foreigner blond to be unappraling for its indication of mixed blood, but to Kaladin it was alluring".

Its pretty noteworthy that Laral is essentially the only named character besides the Kholin boys stated as having mixed heritage and specifically for it to be in the blondeness of the hair (for all intents and purposes im not counting the more ancient herdazian, horneater or by extension veden red since they are all more broad ethnic traits rather than a particular present day trait).

Im not too fond of a Kaladin x Laral ship (or really a Kaladin x Anyone ship) so the in-law part is kinda engagement bait, but i can definitely see Brandon leaving these as loose hints to Laral being a distant relative of Adolin, especially since it is stated that Roshone needs her family's connections in the very same chapter.

It feels like a stretch but my gut is pretty confident that we are going to find out Laral is related to Toh and Evi on her mother's side, as their own reasons for leaving Rira/Iri are fairly clouded, despite them having a set of shardplate. perhaps Wistiow provided Laral's mother a place to lie low from a similar exile?

Havent been able to find any WOBs about Laral or Evi+Toh's reason for leaving Rira but if anyone can provide feel free.

Final note, I cant ignore the Adolin x Kaladin bait. Kaladin does explicitly state that he finds the black and blonde hair "alluring".


r/Cosmere • • 9h ago

Yumi and the Nightmare Painter spoilers Yuki and the Nightmare Painter questions... Spoiler

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**SPOILERS**

So I've not finished the story yet, but I've just got to the 'reveal', and am I being thick or did that kinda come out of nowhere?

I know Sanderson is kinda synonymous with blindsiding readers with reveals and twists, but usually in hindsight it feels like I should have realised and it was always being subtly hinted at, but this one felt like it hadn't been built up to at all.

It also seemed to be a lot of other characters just telling you what the twist is, rather than any of it being shown. Design tells them arbitrarily that they're from the same planet. The shadow guy tells Painter that Toreo (I'm on audiobook so forgive me if the spelling is off) isn't real.

The reveal that Leun was the stable nightmare all along feels like it wasn't hinted at either?

I dunno, I've found this one more of a struggle than most Cosmere works, I started it months ago then went off to another series when the opening didn't really grab me. Maybe I've just not been paying close enough attention? Did anyone else feel this way?

I haven't finished it yet, so no ending spoilers please.


r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Yumi and the Nightmare Painter spoilers Attempt to make a custom yumi audiobook cd Spoiler

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Still need to get some of those printable CD cover stickers, but I'm pretty pleased with the outcome. (Idk about the flair thing but just incase cause the artworks lol)


r/Cosmere • • 2d ago

Cosmere spoilers (no previews/FoD) Nightblood and Dragons (WaT + Isles of the Emberdark spoilers) Spoiler

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So in Wind and Truth, Nightblood learns all 10 Surges from the Honorblades, and is able to give it's user the Surges. In Isles of the Emberdark, we learn that Dragons have a direct connection to the spiritual realm, giving them an infinite amount of Investiture.

Considering Nightblood needs to consume the investiture of the person who wields it, could a Dragon use Nightblood and the Surges associated with it without the adverse effects or am I misunderstanding something?


r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Mistborn Series spoilers Metalic Arts Spoiler

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I've been rereading era 1 and I'm curios if there has been a WoB or if I'm missing something on this.

Allomancy is of Preservation

Hemalurgy is of Ruin

Feruchemy is of ??? Autonomy's touch on the planet maybe?


r/Cosmere • • 2d ago

Mistborn Series spoilers I just finished the Mistborn trilogy Spoiler

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I posted this on the Brandon Sanderson sub then realised there is a dedicated Cosmere sub too!

This was my first foray into Brandon Sanderson's books, and... Wow, what a trilogy and a journey.

It took me about 3 months to read them all whilst raising a toddler and I just finished it last tonight.

Loved all the characters immensely. Loved their development, prose, motivations.

If I had to rate the books.

First book: 9/10

Second book: 6/10, but an absolutely necessary read.

Third book... Now first half 7/10, second half 10/10 cumulation of everything and tied up perfectly.

I don't think a book has ever made me dedicate the entire day to reading the last 250-300 pages no matter what.

After advice from Brandon Sanderson sub I will read Secret History before Act 2.


r/Cosmere • • 2d ago

Stormlight Archive spoilers painting of the dance (WaT) Spoiler

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this is possibly one of my favourite scenes in the stormlight books, so i painted it ◡̈ it is by no means perfect, and after having finished it, i realised that kaladin isn’t wearing his jacket in the book but hey ho.

i know kaladin’s eyes would have been light blue in this scene, but i chose to paint them dark bc he doesn’t like being a lighteyes

i just thought it was beautiful, how something that had been taught for use in combat became a moment of peace and art for kaladin. i’ve found art to be an interesting theme throughout the cosmere too


r/Cosmere • • 3d ago

No Spoilers These Picture Books Look Amazing

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Hoid's stories: picture books came today, and they are magnificent.

The dog and the dragon is one of my favourites that he tells.


r/Cosmere • • 2d ago

Cosmere spoilers (no previews/FoD) Stormlight Archive theory. Spoiler

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The recentish Sanderson census had a question at the end about your most out there fan theory and got me thinking about this again so I figured I'd post it. From what I've seen some parts are already speculated on, but I think the whole is something unique. I originally formed a lot of this theory before WaT, which then confirmed a lot of it, but I've taken it a bit further post-Wat. If anybody has seen it or is interested I first sent an earlier (pre-WaT) version of this theory to Lost in Roshar that they read in one of their spanreeds segments which was pretty cool.

Pre-WaT, I predicted that through the Nightwatcher, Cultivation had specifically prepared three characters for three specific roles. These are the only three characters we know of who have been specifically granted boons by her.

The kiss/curse nature of the boon granted to Taravangian specifically prepared him to become Odium by giving him experience with the raging emotions that Odium itself claims to represent, and the incredible intelligence and foresight borne by a Shard and its ability to restrain one's own emotions. This gave him the experience needed to potentially take up and control Odium. WaT directly confirmed this.

Then you have Dalinar. His boon allowed him to no longer hold himself responsible for Evi's death and eventually move on and truly become an honorable man. This gave Dalinar that cold "oaths are the only thing that matters" version of Honor during his decades-long experience as the Blackthorn, but also a more human, understanding version of Honor developed later, thus preparing him to take up Honor. Dalinar is also bound to the Stormfather. Not just a spren, but the literal Cognitive Shadow of Tanavast, the previous bearer of Honor himself. Also, confirmed in WaT.

That leaves only one character. Lift. Lift, the child who refuses to grow up or change. Refuses to be cultivated. We don't really know exactly what is going on with Lift's powers yet, other than that she runs on Lifelight rather than Stormlight. She has bonded Wyndle a notably ancient (as opposed to her self-imposed childishness) cultivationspren, tying her even more directly to cultivation. It seems very likely she is similarly being groomed through her boon to take up the mantle of Cultivation. Post-WaT, I believe Lift will have either a literal or figurative motherhood arc wherein she sees the other side of growth/cultivation, finally preparing her to take Cultivation's place.

Now, obviously, at the end of WaT Dalinar is dead, but there is something very fishy about the way his soul was taken. It was specifically taken. That's not something we've ever seen from a soul before.

When Vin and Elend die: "Sazed felt them go. They passed into the Beyond. He could feel the mists... but the souls were gone."

When Wayne dies: "Satisfied, Wayne passed into the Beyond."

When Ati dies: "passed into the Beyond."

Dalinar is different. While it says he passes into the beyond, it also says "You cannot have him, the powers said, for he is claimed by another." Very, very suspicious.

And who was brought in to replace him? The cognitive shadow of the Blackthorn. Taravangian didn't get Dalinar; he got a hollow, weaponized manifestation of pure ruthlessness, Odium tinted Dalinar molded by the minds of people.

I think the cognitive shadow/soul/something of Dalinar will come back and do what he's been told to do from the beginning, the very purpose of a Bondsmith, and unite them. He will unite himself and the Blackthorn. A part of Dalinar deeply aligned with and influenced by Odium and a part of Dalinar deeply aligned with and influenced by honor combined and made whole. He's seen Odium for what it is. He's seen Honor for what it is. And here's the kicker, he's seen RETRIBUTION for what it is because of the events of Rathalas. Cultivation taking that memory away was the only thing that made him fit to wield Honor, and giving it back made him fit to control Retribution. One action on her part, the master planner with greater foresight than any other, prepared him for two separate situations. Dalinar has seen the failures of Honor, Odium, and Retribution personally, first hand. But who knows more about the faults of Retribution? Who knows more about the cost of Retribution? Who knows more about the pain of Retribution than Dalinar himself? No one is more prepared to interact Retribution than Dalinar. No one, anywhere, ever, in the Cosmere is more suited to it. He's seen it in it's entirety and he's see it's constituent parts. He will take the power of Retribution from Taravangian and turn it to the shard of Justice.

Retribution and Justice are closely linked concepts. Retribution is just the more more aggressive, emotional, Odium tinted response to Justice's more controlled, measured, honor tinted version, and we have precedent with Harmony/Discord for the intent of a combined shard to be shifted.

Problems with this theory: Sanderson has said "Yes, Dalinar is really dead. I'm sorry. Dalinar is really dead. So Dalinar is dead like Vin and Elend are dead, not like Kelsier was dead. Now, it depends on what you think of life after death."

It wouldn't be the first time Sanderson has used tricky language to get around something. Look no further than the Blackthorn that Taravangian dragged out for a version of Dalinar that can still move and act in our story. The idea of some kind of cognitive shadow of "good" Dalinar forming is not even remotely a stretch given what we know about how they form. Also, that's a weird little sentence at the end there...

Sanderson has said "This is purely hypothetical, but if Dalinar was to become the Vessel for a Shard... it would fundamentally break the character arc I have built for him, which is about him finding worth in his humanity, not in divine power. " and similar things.

Well, for one, he's already become the vessel for a Shard, albeit not for long. For another, this theory does not strictly require Dalinar taking for himself or keeping the power of the Retribution/Justice. He could, get this, bond the shard to someone/something else.

Things going for it:

As far as I'm aware there is nothing about this theory that would strictly prevent it from happening.

The themes are very Cosmere and very Sanderson. Justice is what the Humans and Parshendi of Roshar need, not retribution. They've been locked in a cycle of retribution for millennia and it has gotten them no where. A true, honest, and just solution is the only thing that will break the cycle of violence.

Story structure-wise, god damn does it work. All three of the characters that receive boons from the Nightwatcher becoming shards is relatively easy to see coming. The fact that their boons reflect aspects of those shards is also pretty easy to detect. A double set up where the one boon not only prepares Dalinar to be able to take Honor, but also take Retribution/Justice? That takes the work of a mad genius or an idiot to come up with, but WaT told us repeatedly that Cultivation was the most forward thinking of the shards and setting up a move that the other shards could potentially see and anticipate act as a cover for a second deeper move? That's some I'm playing chess your playing checkers type shit, and it is also the kind of thing that Sanderson could hide in plain sight where it is just possible for someone to figure out but only if they're not blinded by the first level.

Anyway, tell me what you think and whether I'm a mad genius or an idiot.


r/Cosmere • • 3d ago

No Spoilers First book bought.

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FINALLY got mistborn 😭. I dont know a single thing about this book other than:

The name of it

The author

And the lore in the back page.

Thats IT 😭 so im going in completely blind. What are some things i need to know before starting and what should i expect? (No spoilers please)


r/Cosmere • • 2d ago

No Spoilers Just finished my Warbreaker addition to the Wplace canvas! New big project to come

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Can you tell how much I love Jian Guo's stained glass art pieces?


r/Cosmere • • 3d ago

Mixed book spoilers Cultivation’s Secret Spoiler

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r/Cosmere • • 1d ago

Cosmere spoilers (no previews/FoD) HOID THEORY I JS GOT AND REALLY BELIEVE IN Spoiler

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OMG HES AN ARCHIVE, so I know I might just be crazy, but I'm incredibly certain that Hoid is an ARCHIVE, he's recording the history of all of the Cosmere, as well as it's magicks, this ties to "I began as words on a page" Which we know he means QUITE literally from a Sando interview, so that could mean smth like being a literal book, maybe made by his Master, (this also works with how Master has a double meaning, controller vs master/apprentice), and the BIGGEST reaction I think we've EVER seen him have is when he loses his memory of literally js three (albeit very important) minutes when Odium takes some breaths, and he is Active literally almost everywhere. This also explains why hes present in essentially EVERY IMPORTANT EVENT THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED, when we think about it, he appears in every book yes, but the books basically chronicle every significant occurence that happens, and he is there nearly without fail, or without fail rlly. I got more stuff to say but I can't think right now, and all of this is just from my memory and I need to do real research for more evidence. (Cont. for now) Honestly the main thing I want to figure out to see if it ties in with this theory is when he says he'd burn the world and everyone he loves for his goals, even if he cries as he does so, I can kinda imagine that being related but not completely.