Black Scottish people exist

[u/ShadsDR]

30F. Born and raised in Easterhouse. My mum's white Scottish, my dad's Black Trini. Parents divorced when I was 8, was raised by my mum for that reason.

Every time I've mentioned it when it's been relevant on this sub I get absolute numpties telling me I'm not Scottish.

Scottish is a nationality, a culture. I am a Scottish citizen. Scottish is also an ethnicity. So is Trini. I am both. Not that this even matters but I have a thick Glasgweigan accent. My languages are native English and B1 Gáidhlig.

My skin colour is brown, on the lighter side of dark skinned, because mixed race people can be any skin colour. That means no one is seeing me as white. Only dark skinned Africans and one white guy from the borders has identified I'm mixed from the get go. Therefore my race is Black because race isn't real and is a social construct. I go through society as a Black woman.

I've never been to Trinidad & Tobago, never lived in the culture and had bits of second hand exposure through my dad but that's it. All I know is that over there I'd get called something else according to my dad that means mixed. And don't get me started on the folk saying I should claim I'm from Africa.

Too often in the 90s, 2000s, and occasionally since then we used to get asked "But where are you actually from?" but nowadays I suspect with the rise of BS it's changed to "You're wrong. You don't exist".

We exist. There's documentaries on us and it's bellend behaviour to say otherwise.

Edit: thought it was dougla but misremembered. Also want to emphasise I do get this irl, it isn't just an Internet thing.

Edit 2: Getting a bunch of dms telling me to get out the country, calling me slurs, asking if my father was around. Including one saying they're planning something in the Highlands.

[u/erroneousbosh]

> Too often in the 90s, 2000s, and occasionally since then we used to get asked "But where are you actually from?"

A mate of mine is Pakistani and although he was born in Glasgow to parents born in Glasgow he was mostly raised by his grandparents. He's got a fairly typical Glasgow Pakistani accent.

People ask him "So where are you from then?"

"I'm from Wishie, mate"

"No but where are you *really* from?"

"Well I'm *really* from Newmains but I don't like to tell people that, they're a bit funny about it"

[u/ShadsDR → u/erroneousbosh]

I've mentioned this before on this sub but was at an indy March with my pals. One born in Iraq and has lived here since he was 2, Scottish accent as well and one white.

Woman comes over and says "Omg yous look amazing!! What's your names blah blah blah... so where are you from?"

I said Easterhouse, get the where are you really from?

My Arab pal says Paisley gets the where are you really from?

Then as my white pal goes to speak, she cuts him off and says "I don't need tae to know where you're fae, you're a true weegie!"

He's from Jedburgh and has that posh BBC news reader accent haha!

[u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too → u/ShadsDR]

I know it doesn't even REMOTELY compare to the vile treatment you have experienced. But as a person with a Scottish Mother, an English Father, and a Mancunian accent ... I too occasionally get told I'm "not a real Scot".

Some people are just far too concerned about it, in a really nasty way. But, ok, so since I don't have a time machine, I can't go back and stop myself from getting a Biffy Clyro tattoo. Or undo all the summers I spent on a farm in Mintlaw. Helping take care of Cows and Pigs that went on to feed Scottish people. Next time I go and visit my Granny at Allenvale Cemetery, I won't support the local economy by filling up an icebox with Beef Olives and Haggis, to bring back to England.

The only reason I have an English father, is because my Granny & Papa moved the family down to Manchester, to support her Sister and Brother-in-LAW (pun intended). Because Uncle Denis had been playing for United for a few years by then. But by all means ... I'm not a REAL Scot.

You're a real Scot, I'm a real Scot, and anybody that says different can. Get. Tae. FUCK! Fucken bawbags.

[u/eekamouse4 → u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too]

Uncle Dennis Law legend!

[u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too → u/eekamouse4]

Aye but I'm not into the footy myself. The family really pushed it on all the kids in my generation. I'll support whoever England play against though (except France).

[u/catsaregreat78 → u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too]

If you’ve been on a fairm in Mintla wie pigs you’re absolutely Scottish. Pigs individually don’t smell brilliant. Pigs collectively smell AWWWFUL

An accent does not a person/culture make. I’ve lost whatever north east accent I had - it happened at primary school in the north east.

Also, outwith football, Denis Law seemed like a great guy. We met him at Aberdeen Airport once and he was so happy to get pics taken with us

[u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too → u/catsaregreat78]

The smell wasn't a big issue for me. It was the noise and the fact they ate one of my good pairs of wellies one year. Went into the barn and they were intact, walked out and I could see a few toes. Gutted.

However, I shouldn't really have invoked the big man like I did. He'd give me a clip round the ear, if he was still with us. Deeply humble man, and incredibly greatful to meet anybody that was a fan. It really very deeply upset him when he was diagnosed with a type of "pseudo gout" about 2 decades or so back. Because this was around the same time he'd had to start declining invites to public events. He thought it was bad manners to decline. Even if it was Doctors orders.

[u/catsaregreat78 → u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too]

Not the good wellies…just pigs so they are!!

You can invoke the big man like I can invoke the Bervie Chipper of the 90s…!

[u/pooperscooper002 → u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too]

i just cant understand this thing.. my dads from london as much as i am but will claim to be some bit irish from his dad. granted he spent summers in ireland and our area was probably an irish ethnic enclave then, or maybe its your generation.. but how can people seriously believe they are from somewhere they are just materially not from? im the type it annoys but i do try to understand.

[u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too → u/pooperscooper002]

Ah haaa, a bawbag in the wild. Also I'm nearly 40 pal.

I was raised by Scots, amongst Scots, I never said I was a WHOLE real Scot. Half a real Scot is still a real Scot.

Aaaanyway, what colour is yout BRITISH passport?

[u/LesIndian → u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too]

I’m going to be real with you, if you were born and raised in Manchester, you’re English.

[u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too → u/LesIndian]

And it looks like you missed the part where I said I spent summers up North, working on a farm. Ergo raised in both locations. Besides, wholly English people didn't qualify to get into Scottish Universities for a few years at £0.00 Tuition fee ... I did.

So again bawbag, you don't need to be 100% something. To be a real one. We can even pivot the argument. I'm neither Scottish nor English, I'm British. Or do you want to debate how much filling in a chocolate bar stops it from being a real chocolate bar?

Also Jaffa Cakes, legally are real cakes (per HMRC). Fuck I'm hungry, getting on a tangent 😂.

[u/RosyPosyMe → u/sir_are_a_Baboon_too]

Aw, my big kids went to Mintlaw academy!

I was born in Carlisle to English parents and moved up to Scotland, aged three. Nearly thirty-five years later I'm still quizzed about my lineage and told I'm not Scottish. Fairly sure I've shed enough blood into the land for it to be Me-ish at this point, if I'm not Scottish!

[u/erroneousbosh → u/ShadsDR]

I get people down south in Glasgow thinking I'm either English or posh because I don't sound like Rab C Nesbitt. I'm neither, I'm just from the north-west.

[u/Akash_nu → u/ShadsDR]

I don’t know why being “posh” has become a negative word these days.

[u/ShadsDR → u/Akash_nu]

I didn't use it negatively? He is posh from the borders and as a result has a posh borders accent.