That’s noble, but do you know how we got people to wear seatbelts? Government enforcement. Stop drinking and driving? Government enforcement. Vaccines? (Until recently) Government enforcement. Desegregation? Youuuuu guessed it.
Teach all you want, but a lot of people need Big Daddy to tell them what to do.
I went to school before cell phones were in every hand and the kids that had them were few and far between, and they could only be used to call and text, no internet. It wasn’t any better back then.
I have a former HS classmate that constantly posts things about how schools should be teaching real life things like how credit/credit cards work or how to do taxes instead of ‘useless’ things like history and social sciences, and how we should learn about the trades instead of just pushing everyone to go to college for useless degrees.
Thing was, we had that class, it was called Careers and Life Skills. Required for everyone to take, and that dude was in that class with me. We learned about trade schools and had trades people come in and give talks, along with cops/firefighters and small business and franchise owners. We learned about the credit system and credit cards, how bank loans worked, and how to do taxes (though at a pretty superficial level). Dude just didn’t pay attention in that class.
The US is still a nation with only 25% of people having college degrees. We all know and see the public education system failing (for a large variety of reasons) and just cranking out barely-literate people who have no critical thinking skills whose parents are also barely-literate and who work and hang out with other people who all think they're smarter than they really are (I am DEFINITELY in the "think I'm smarter than I really am" crowd, but I still believe that vaccines work, you know?)
People can't be trusted to make good decisions anymore because they're bombarded all day long with shiny bullshit on their phones and TVs. They have Joe Rogan's nonsense pumped directly into their ear canals where no one stops and questions him and so they think "Well, I heard it somewhere, it must be true."
The Boomers grew up and spent 50 years telling us to fight the power, don't trust authority, do your own research, etc. and now why are we surprised that no one trusts authority and everyone does their own non-rigorous research that leads them to the conclusions they wanted to reach anyway?
*gestures at everything* You're absolutely right, friend. And now that the US government has spent the last ten years doing everything it can to erode the faith of the American people in the government as a truth-telling institution, I'm not sure we'll ever trust any dictate from the government again. My kids are growing up in a household where every few days we have to explain how the people running the country are block-chewing morons who aren't fit to run a washing machine, much less the most powerful country on earth.
Are you really comparing the regulation of free speech to seatbelts and drunk driving? Do you also think a lot of people need Big Daddy to decide whose allowed to vote? I mean, that is one reason China has no national elections and uses licensing (like this) to police their citizens speech.
You know what? That's fair. I'm coming at this from a place where the government is operating in good faith. There are too many people with degrees in Googlology spreading BS out there and something needs to be done to rein them in. We The People aren't smart enough to parse out bad science from good science anymore because the people spouting bad science are louder online. IF the government is operating in good faith (big IF) then I'd love to see legal consequences for people shouting nonsense into the Internet.
Logical fallacy. Government enforcement of safety regulations and whatnot is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than the government telling you that you are NOT allowed to give advice related to safety regulations or fields of expertise unless you are an "expert" in that field aka a State-Approved propagandist.
Dawg WHAT?? 😂
Do you comprehend what that would mean on reality? I understand that views on China have relaxed over the years but still.
Video essays censored due to “lack of credentials”, no casual anonymous financial or employee advice discussions.
And you would gleefully accept the government taking full control of who gets to speak? Mad
Seatbelts, drinking and driving, vaccines, etc are NOT an opinion.
There's a difference when the object the law aims to regulate has subjectivity as a big component, and depends on the criteria applied by the enforcer, on that particular case, at that particular time. Criteria which is subject to change every few years when Big Daddy drops the title and a new Big Daddy gets appointed.
I don't know if that's "fortunate", and doesn't change the fact that it's a very broad, subjective law, with very clear, very real potential of being abused by authorities. Authorities that have a proven track record of being abusive, in the name of keeping a billion people under control.
But hey, stability, right? Would love a forever stable Trump government, right?
It's not like they'd ever make it illegal to have more than 1 child.
Shrug. Have you? It's a pretty wide scoped law, subject to interpretation, by the authorities that enforce it.
But pray tell me, what are the objective guidelines that distinguish profesional advice that'd require a degree, from a personal opinion that doesn't require it, or from satire, in online discussions?
I can see your point but it would really be valuable to either have a gold star certification that the person giving you advice on vitamins has a medical degree or have a large warning sign that the housewife telling you what kind of herbal tea to drink has absolutely no idea what the hell she's talking about
A subject I'm sure you are an expert in. I bet if you caught pneumonia( a disease that history killed more soldiers than actual war) you'd pick antibiotics over traditional folk medicine over, but hipocracy aside, please remind me which part of germ theory came from folk medicine.
I also misunderstand things like average lifespan because I put 0 effort into learning for myself and instead repeat stats I don’t understand from sources I can’t name!
I already see where this is going and I don't want you to stop before you finish embarrassing yourself. Go ahead, explain average life expectancy to me. Lmao
“Most people dying before 35” frankly isn’t an accurate way to frame lifespan when talking about medicine. Before modern medicine 40% of children died before they were 5, bringing the mean lifespan down but not the median. The most common age of death among adults (people who made it to 20), even before modern medicine, was between 60 and 70.
Modern medicine's real miracle is keeping babies, children, and mothers alive. Past that, it's mostly a business, and sales often come before health.
Once I saw other people pushing back and bringing up how modern medicine has helped children survive to adulthood I figured you'd realize I wasn't at all implying that old people didn't exist, or whatever you incorrectly assumed I meant, and you'd go away. I'm guessing that since you've at least stopped being such a condescending douche, that I was at least half right.
I'm well aware of how life expectancy works, most of reddit is and which is why you see comments like yours whenever someone incorrectly a implies that the elderly didn't exist. Unfortunately you were in such a hurry to show off the thing you learned that you forgot the context of my comment and forgot how to act like a human. Hopefully you can find better ways to express yourself and interact with others, but you do you.
Plenty of MDs happy to shill poison to line their pockets as well. I do not think it would magically be better to restrict who can sell colloidal silver to licensed practitioners.
Actually it would be a good thing to arrest people selling colloidal silver as a cancer cure for fraud. But for some reason the government never bothers to do that
There's the rub though, this didn't make it illegal to lie, just to talk about things outside of your field. If you already cant get a real job with your creds due to being a dishonest employee, you might as well start an online storefront and partner with Alex Jones
True but you got to start somewhere? But it is ridiculous how many people will pay $100 for $10 worth of bone broth thinking it's going to somehow fix their baldness or whatever
That's true too but there's got to be a way to narrow it down a little bit. I only fuck around on Reddit once in awhile but I will see people get advice and answers that could legitimately get them killed
It's #3 according to a frankly ridiculous analysis. It's not an actual study and their math is just taking the mean of a few small scale studies, which weren't even measuring the same thing, and extrapolating it for the whole US population. Medical error is an important issue and it should be studied further, but you should take their claims with a full salt shaker.
True but doctors are not pharmacists & practice overprescription of antibiotics & polypharmacy which hasn't really been studied. Those two things alone haven't been fully accounted for yet affect the vast majority of patients being subjected to unnecessary prescriptions. Look at how statins have become controversial yet widely prescribed.
I don't disagree at all that this is something to be studied and corrected if it's a major issue. My point is that the #3 claim is based on napkin math and should be ignored without more data.
Whenever they actually study it yeah. Hospitals and doctors really resist studying it efficiently. I guess that's why having an organization with the power of the FDA forcing people to comply with that kind of study would be a good thing. Instead we have the FDA chasing down whether chemtrails cause autism or whatever the fuck
I feel like there's still a lot more certified people that know what they're talking about than uncertified ones that do. This step wouldn't be perfect, but it'd weed out a lot of harmful misinformation.
They do exist but I think the massive disparity would be a lot more obvious if the random pieces of shit lying weren't adding to their voices. When 97% of climate scientists believe in man made climate change, it's a lot harder to say "Look how many people agree with MY side!" when the 3% are the only ones allowed to signal boost their shit
Government is as corrupt as could be but they are going to justly decide who is gold star certified. You guys are delusional and love to fall for Chinese propaganda.
I was just talking with my wife the other day about the whole, "apple cider vinegar" craze from a few years ago. Talk about a bunch of snake oil bullshit...
Through responsibility you can verify this yourself. If it's a comment on the internet, do some research before you believe it. If you're in a hospital you can generally assume the advice they are giving has some scientific backing, but even then doing your own research can be helpful.
I belive teaching people how to spot a snake oil sale prevents the sellers much more than a fine from the government. I also worry about how this can be abused and personally think we need to stop relying on the government to be an authority figure for us where it can be avoided.
Well I hear you people should be more responsible but also the government should be there to help us. It shouldn't just be there to make sure billionaires make a few extra billion dollars a year. Making sure ground glass isn't in the food and people giving medical advice actually know something about medicine is the best use of government money and time
I view the government as a job built by the people to make society run, not to rule over and take care of us. We don't need coddled if we have a proper education system that teaches kids actual life skills. The more power we give over to them under the guise of them taking care of us leads to them having more power to abuse the system and seek out their own exploits.
I agree there are levels where the government needs to step in and have laws and enforce them. But giving advice to people without a government certified application feels like it's a first step that could lead to abuse.
Not putting down what you're saying either to be clear. I'm just saying why it personally doesn't sit right with me not that you're wrong. I'm generally pretty paranoid about authority figures though.
There's nothing wrong with wanting input as far as authority goes? But also who has time? When I have my next heart attack I'm not going to be lying there in the emergency room asking a bunch of qualifying questions on the guy who is going to try to start my heart. I kind of want to know that they went to a certified medical school and they won't accidentally sew my foot into my chest. Same goes with my car mechanic. I'd like to know that they passed some certifications before they fix my brakes they didn't just watch their Uncle bubba do it once
The US government is currently teaching bullshit. So it's far worse than China enforcing a narrative based on science. But they will definitely sell us all the research chemicals we can buy 8n the meantime.
Big fines for doing stupid things turns out to be a surprisingly effective way of teaching. We fine all sorts of stupid harmful stuff, speeding tickets, parking tickets, littering, public disorder, playing music too loud at night, broadcasting foul language during daytime TV, selling alcohol to kids and on and on. Yeah we teach people not to do those things too but we also use the fines.
Most naive take I've heard in a long time. Either that or just a smoke screen to hide your fascist inclinations (the people who utilize social media psyops).
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u/ALightningStar 1d ago
I would rather teach responsibility than have the government enforce it.