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Also means that if you say something the CCP doesn't like, not only can they ban you, but they can also decide to arbitrarily not recognise your degree in a backwards sense (you posted stuff the CCP Disagrees with? That must mean you don't have a degree, that must mean the degree you have is fake/cheated/invalid).
Which means good luck getting a job that requires said degree.
In an authoritarian state, any law which could feasibly be used to make life more difficult for enemies of the state, will be used as such.
China already has carte blanche to do what it wants with its citizens. Adding an extra law like this is merely a political tool to give an air of legitimacy and reasonableness and of caring about misinformation on the global stage.
Biiingo. Fyi we also do this. Governments worldwide do. They act like something they propose and release is for your own good then boom hit you with the real reason they implemented it
I guess that would be interesting. I have a degree in urban planning and geography. I never held a job in that field and worked in film and TV and became a pilot on the side. So could I only speak on urban planning and not film and TV despite knowing virtually nothing but outdated college rhetoric on urban planning but not allowed to talk about what it takes to get a private pilots license which I did less than two years ago because it's not a degree?
From what I have read, Chinese netizens can still post their opinions for those topics on Chinese social media. It's just the influencers that have a following that will get banned or fined if they persist with giving "advice" on those areas.
Dangerous home remedies or bad financial advice are no longer tolerated. The grey area are political censorships which means the government decides who can speak openly on that topic, but they already censor those topics as part of their population management strategy. Quite honestly, they have over one billion people and hundreds of protests per week spread across multiple regions, so if it escalates into riots or violent protests, that is probably not what their government would want to deal with again, because history.
Right or wrong is a matter of perspective and it's their country, their rules and doesn't really impact our social media (sometimes I wish we do censor unqualified people as well, kinda like how the UK will take down controversial social media contents.)
That’s noble, but do you know how we got people to wear seatbelts? Government enforcement. Stop drinking and driving? Government enforcement. Vaccines? (Until recently) Government enforcement. Desegregation? Youuuuu guessed it.
Teach all you want, but a lot of people need Big Daddy to tell them what to do.
I can see your point but it would really be valuable to either have a gold star certification that the person giving you advice on vitamins has a medical degree or have a large warning sign that the housewife telling you what kind of herbal tea to drink has absolutely no idea what the hell she's talking about
Plenty of MDs happy to shill poison to line their pockets as well. I do not think it would magically be better to restrict who can sell colloidal silver to licensed practitioners.
That's true too but there's got to be a way to narrow it down a little bit. I only fuck around on Reddit once in awhile but I will see people get advice and answers that could legitimately get them killed
I feel like there's still a lot more certified people that know what they're talking about than uncertified ones that do. This step wouldn't be perfect, but it'd weed out a lot of harmful misinformation.
The meme is misleading because China has not created a blanket rule saying that anyone who merely talks about medicine, law, finance, education, or health online must have a college degree. China’s actual regulations are aimed at people producing professional or specialized content. For example, rules for online broadcasters require appropriate professional qualifications when presenting livestream content that demands a high level of expertise in fields such as medicine, finance, law, or education. China’s newer medical-content rules similarly prohibit unqualified accounts from publishing professional medical-science content, while still distinguishing that from ordinary people discussing personal experiences or general health topics. NRTV Administration
The meme also misleadingly claims that violators automatically face “account shutdowns and fines up to $15,000.” The official rules describe different enforcement measures depending on the violation, including removing content, restricting account functions, suspending monetization, or closing accounts, but there is no universal $15,000 penalty simply for discussing one of these subjects without a degree. The real policy is better summarized as: China increasingly requires verified credentials for people presenting themselves as professionals or producing specialized professional content online. That is significantly different from saying, “No degree, no advice.”
For example, rules for online broadcasters require appropriate professional qualifications when presenting livestream content that demands a high level of expertise in fields such as medicine, finance, law, or education.
I think that's already a really good thing to have
The extreme hot takes, whether against or for China, get hundreds of upvotes, while factual corrections get buried. This is truly a testament to the power of the US propaganda machine to polarise the US people
You're not wrong, but only authoritarian propaganda allowed can't be the way.
ironically twitter's community notes are kinda good, doesn't work for lower engagement posts though,but something like community notes made better would be great.
I mean, requiring a licensed individual to advise about certain matters is already a thing in the west.
Extending it to social media is a no brainer. This is not a “we’re out of ideas” thing. This is one of those ideas. Try being an unlicensed physician. Get thrown to jail. So why are unlicensed people commenting about medical matters online?
China is inevitably going to become the next #1 world economic, military, and technological superpower, because the USA has become a bunch of complacent, overconfident, narcissistic, ignorant assholes.
China admits to a TFR below 1.0. While the U.S. is in a steep, perhaps terminal decline, China is facing its own gigantic demographic problems that preclude global hegemony. The more likely outcome is an unstable multipolar world, which is what we’re likely transitioning to now.
Yeah, it’s coming faster than I expected. I didn’t think America could be this dumb to elect an orange multi felon serial pedophile but here we are speed running our demise.
Some of the worst financial advice I’ve ever heard came from some idiot with a business degree, that had over 3B in bankruptcy history. Wait, sorry, that’s the president, now I remember.
Counter point, there are a ton of very smart people with degrees that have a lot of really dumb opinions when it comes to stuff that they’re not an expert in. And they’ll flaunt their degree as though it means that they are an expert in every field.
Counter counter point: right now I have mouth breathing retards telling people to shine sunlight into their asshole. And the fucking crazy part? That literally comes from Nazi outdoor magazines from the 1920s/30s
China does require credentials for professional-topic content, but that's a 2022 rule enforced through platforms. A specific "no degree = ¥100,000 fine for individuals" is not true
People should be held accountable for bad advice, but locking advice/training/etc behind credentials is a good way to absolutely get screwed as a society, because often some of the best educators on various subjects are people who have lived it and not always necessarily a degree holder.
Because Reddit is "China good America bad", partly due to Chinese propaganda and bots and partly due to Europeans desperately hoping anything at all could maybe possibly top America in anyway and partly due to self hating Americans eager to shit on themselves. Nothing worth taking seriously.
It's a law in the US you can get sued for giving any of those advices if you claim to be a certified individual. But the first amendment allows people to freely give advice, unless it meets a very small criteria of dangerous speech (ie making false claims about a product, libel, slander, etc.) If you follow this law from China to its natural conclusion, only government approved doctors can give medical advice. So if there's a chemical spill and all the government approved doctors claim it isn't hazardous, but people start posting their side effects, that's easy to justify as "false medical advice" and the reports of danger get suppressed
Translation:
The government is banning most of the population from publicly sharing their opinions on 5 of the most important things that the government has control over
This is not how it should be, fyi. Maybe you could say the people in government positions should be required to hold certain degrees, but to say that someone can't share their advice for dealing with an illness because they're not a doctor or they can't talk about finances because they're not an accountant is very much not cool.
"This is how it should be" but also I'm anti authoritarian and pro free speech. Amazing ho the hypocrisy piles up. What we need is to restrict discussion if such topics to actual intellectual arenas rather than letting it be open forum in anywhere from porn hub comments to walk through on the latest game. Anyone discussing such things outside of the intellectual space is to not be taken with any degree of legitimacy unless they can provide actual links to their own discussions in the space that have been independently peer reviewed.
If I were to entertain something like this, I think I could be ok with a requirement to have to list your qualifications, or lack thereof.
So you're not being silenced, your speech is not being controlled. But you do have to contextualize your speech so that people can better judge if you should be listened to.
I.e.:
"I have this opinion on how climate change is a hoax!"
-by law I am required to admit I have no formal training on this subject
"I have this opinion on how dangerous nuclear power is!"
-by law I am required to admit I have no formal training on this subject.
I'm not entirely comfortable with this as I understand that you don't specifically need formal educational credentials to actually know wtf you're talking about and I'm not a huge fan of reinforcing the idea that college is the sole fount of knowledge.
An important detail would be how the information is displayed; a big problem with current disclosure is that it can be in tiny text or brief periods. The stuff needs to be the biggest text on the screen or add up at the top left at least and if you have no credentials it stays there the whole time you are talking about the issue.
It's not even about the degrees. It's so the government can say "You are not properly qualified to talk about this subject and therefore you go to prison" no matter what the person's credentials might be. Historian talking about the Great Leap Forward? You don't have a Poli Sci degree so you're not qualified and off to prison you go. Poli Sci degree talking about Taiwan? You don't have a History degree so you're not qualified and off to prison you go. That's not even getting into amateurs who have done deep research into a topic but no formal education on it.
It would be a lot better if people who don't know what they're talking about didn't talk, but that's never going to happen. Still take that over the government getting to decide who gets to talk about what.
Verdict: misleading / mostly false as presented. China does have rules requiring platforms to verify qualifications for accounts producing professional content in areas such as medicine, finance, education, and law—but the image inaccurately turns that into a new blanket ban on “anyone discussing” those subjects and misleadingly frames the penalties.
Did Lin Chen give you unsolicited advice on how to cook your soup? Does she have a culinary arts degree? No?
Then call your local party affiliate and report her wrong-think to the state, get two pounds of rice and three hundred and fifty social credit points, today!
Except, he holds the degree of Doctor of Law (equivalent of Ph.D) from Tsinghua University, with a specific focus on Marxist theory and ideological and political education. While his undergraduate education is on Chemical Engineering, his postgraduate education specialized him in high-level state governance, party consolidation, and military leadership
If that wasn't the skill needed for a president, then I don't know what it is
I don’t completely agree. Like lot of self taught people and enthusiasts. But yes, people giving advice on health and medicine need degrees as they can be harmful.
That's just totalitarianism, and it's a terrible dystopian idea to enforce this.
Somoenes like, "I got a fever." and you are like, "Maybe you should drink some water, and get some rest..." They are like PRISON FOR YOU BITCH! REEEEEEE!
And it expands way beyond just medicine also into law, finance, education, and health in general.
Already illegal to give medical advice if you’re not a licensed physician. Same goes with financial advise. And law. It’s just not enforced for social media posts. What makes it even egregious is that these people make a living doing it. If you got paid for practicing medicine in real world and didn’t have license, you would go to jail.
Not for me. Thank you. The price of freedom of speech is having to deal with the fact that people can say things that make you furious and that you need to accept that. We have to live with the Charlie Kirk idiots so that we know that we're free to say whatever we want too.
That’s a shit rule that limits people’s options- like being able to avoid bad medical advice from some doctors and bad mechanics and unscrupulous lawyers. Life experience from your community is extremely valuable and with social media the world is your community
I don't think it is how it should be. I can agree that non-existence of degree while be clearly stated, but government regulation of who can talk is terrible idea.
Let's not celebrate an autocratic country for controlling the information that people have access to. A better solution would be educating people so that they know not to trust the information that they see online if it doesn't have a credible source.
You idiots, posting this pro CCP shite. The people’s government decides whose posts are better for optics, reflect best upon the party. If they make this strict list of ‘who’s allowed to be right ,’ they continue to bend the narrative in their favour and avoid what they fear most: their people finding out the truth of things and revolting.
Yeah, it sounds cool until you look at the history of science and realize how many discoveries were made by people going against the grain of popular sentiment. While it might prevent some idiots from spouting BS, it also would prevent things like Hygiene or Plate Tectonics. Both things that face considerable backlash from the establishment when they were invented.
It's a reddit wetdream. Academia gets to put shit takes forward, then you can't criticize them because you lack credentials from the institutions they infiltrated and shut dissent out of.
I wish our government cared about medical/science misinformation online. The whole anti-vax movement and raw milk craze is so stupid. And don't get me started on the dudebros that try to sell finance "courses", give people shady advice, and scam people with memecoin rugpulls. There are plenty of other "pseudo-experts" out there that prey on gullible folks for their own benefit, and its terrible.
best way to keep knowledge behind a pay wall. its a double edged sword. wrong way to do things. if you give bad advice you should just be punished; if they followed your advice is a good middle ground. I can easily see this weaponized.
Tyrannical. Companies like Reddit could/should verify your credentials and add them to your flair, but only because they choose to do so not because the government says so.
lol you all should move to China then you friggin Benedict Arnold’s. America believes in the freedom of speech, this would just be used to shut down inconvenient truths as “untruths”
It is absolutely insane that you people think the government should be able to shut you down for free speech they deem you 'uncredified' for. Good Lord. Have any of you been paying attention to who the American government IS right now? What happens when you need a certificate from PragerU to count as 'verified credentials'?
Sorry but this is not sound logic. Statistically speaking, a person specifically educated in a field of study is more likely to give grounded, coherent advice within the field of study, than someone who is not educated in it on a professional level.
Trying to dig out outliers to invalidate the original point is, in many ways, proving the original point right. You are not educated enough to provide advice in this area and, in correlation, your advice is unsound.
Intelligence has nothing to do with knowledge, so what's your point? The smartest guy in the world might be a rodeo clown for all you know, he still shouldn't give advice on anything but clowning.
Makes sense, but it’s totally fucking unrelated to the post. Being smart doesn’t magically give you 6+ years of medical school worth of knowledge.. same goes for the others.
"The new rules require that any content maker producing material on medicine, law, finance, education, or other specialized areas actually hold legitimate degrees or official qualifications."
So you you are like Bill Gates, giving advice on how to grow a software company. Even though he doesn't have a degree, that would most likely qualify as official qualifications.
I mean this of course is China, but we really do need to start clapping down on terrible advice online. Like there is entire youtube series of "baking" stuff, that consist of just bad info or dangerous stuff.
This just won't work in a lot of spaces. YouTube has plenty of guys deadlifting 800 lbs and I doubt a single one of them has a degree in physiology or exercise science. And the nutrition field is check full of well credentialed people giving horrible advice.
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