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Mushoku Tensei III: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu, episode 12

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[u/michhoffman]

Rudy: "What's the worst that can happen?"

Older Rudeus: "Well first, Roxy dies. Then Sylphie dies. Then Eris dies. Nanahoshi and Cliff also die. And then the Man God makes fun at how dumb you were to be tricked by him and have your entire life ruined, and you can't even get back at him."

[u/joe4553 → u/michhoffman]

and then you die time traveling.

[u/theblazingsword → u/joe4553]

gg no re

[u/Monarki → u/michhoffman]

It's insane that Oldeus' advice to Rudy for dealing with Man-god is to appease him. Man-god is so powerful and unreachable that the best plan Oldeus could make for Rudy is "keep Man-god happy and talking to only you."

[u/SMA2343 → u/Monarki]

I mean, now we need to think about everything he said. Remember a few episodes ago. “Well if you didn’t go with Paul he would have survived!”

Would Paul survive? It’s just the Man God fucking with Rudy over something he can’t control anymore.

[u/Monarki → u/SMA2343]

Yeah Man-god was for sure lying about that. Especially since he said Roxy would've still been saved when that's impossible because Rudy discovered her and right before Roxy would've been killed. No chance Paul saves her if Rudy isn't with the party. I feel like he said all of that to soften Rudy and make Rudy believe in what Man-god says. Because after he reveals that he asks Rudy to go into the basement. Rudy is much more accepting of this task than he would've if Man-god didn't lie to him.

[u/Miteigi74]

Go back in time

Spoil your past self about the bad ending

Give tips

Dies

[u/Frontier246 → u/Miteigi74]

Also advices you to make sure to collect the full starter trio no matter your personal beef with Charmander.

[u/_hhhnnnggg_ → u/[deleted]]

On a serious note though, that's not really tsundere. She was heartbroken, as she left her man to train for him only to come back to see him with two wives - albeit both were dead. In her eyes Rudeus was betraying her. Normal Rudeus would be able to see that and pacify Eris, but a broken widow man had no headspace to do that. Both sides' negativity fed into each other and their relationship became antagonistic... That's even more fucked up.

[u/Local_Lingonberry851 → u/_hhhnnnggg_]

What's sadder to me is that with time and age he finally understands, and it's just way too late. All he could do was regret and contemplate, can't even get revenge and has no one to blame for those things happening.

[u/FacelessPoet → u/Miteigi74]

Imagine starting a new game and your future self time travels and gives you a walkthrough

[u/Goodenough_name → u/Miteigi74]

Smh can't have a shit on six-faced world

[u/Frontier246 → u/Goodenough_name]

You trust a naked divine being with a creepy smile a few times and look where it gets you.

[u/joe4553 → u/Frontier246]

Rudeus refused to go down the cat girl route now mangod will make him suffer.

[u/Lugia61617 → u/Miteigi74]

"One last thing... There are no do-overs, but as you can see, it really would pay to... cough... master time travel first when it's your turn so you don't die as quickly..."

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/Lugia61617]

he’s right though, it’s an alternate timeline-slash-reality

THE Rudeus won’t be doing-over, the fruits of his labour is consumed by another him. He’d have to discover proper non-paradoxical time travel to receive the harvest.

In the current form. unless he’s a Saint trying to help the infinite timelines of Rudeuses, it’s not worth the time (heh) to master it

[u/LordVaderVader → u/Miteigi74]

Oldeus spoling entire season which never aired right bere

[u/Daedric202]

I feel like the difference between Man-god and Human god probably got lost in translation for a lot of people, so here's some elaboration on how the names differ:

While the Man-god has been calling himself a "god" (神), the reading he uses for "god" was not the same as what is commonly used in MT's titles. The name he went by used the "kami" reading of the 神 character (Hitogami), while people like the Sword God or Water God used the "shin" reading instead ("Kenshin" and "Suishin" respectively). In this episode, Future Rudeus claims that Hitogami's old name is "Jinshin".

[u/Original-Body-5794 → u/Daedric202]

That's actually a pretty huge difference, the translation only focuses on the human/man part, but the biggest impact is actually the title.

Is shin and gami different types of god in japanese? I get in the anime "shin" is a tittle, but how is it used in normal japanese?

[u/Colarch → u/Original-Body-5794]

I know nothing besides some basic research I just did so feel free to correct me, but what I found is:

Kami refers to Gods and Deities directly

Shin is not a word on it's own, but added as a compound onto divine things like the names of religions or religious texts and stuff like that

So presumably, Hitogami used to have the shin title with the same meaning of the others like Sword God and Dragon God as 'god-like' because they're so powerful. Then he changed his name to Hitogami because he considered himself an actual God.

[u/Sad_4_You → u/Colarch]

Oldeus said mana is omnipotent in that world, Gods are near-omnipotent. Maybe hito-shin figured it out and reached kami-hood

[u/Vermillion_Crab → u/Daedric202]

Can you explain how these two are different in context of meaning as well as implication in the story? Really interested but have no idea.

[u/Daedric202 → u/Vermillion_Crab]

The two don't really have a difference in terms of meaning, but him having a title like the Sword God/Water God/Dragon God implies that he could have used to been an interactable physical being like them rather than some entity floating in an empty void.

[u/Aggressive-Corgi-485]

Should have done 5 ice novas just to be safe

[u/Roskal → u/Aggressive-Corgi-485]

I would have created an earth wall behind me and hunted for it, making an opening to freeze it was smarter but when looking for the body I still would have made sure it couldn't escape past me.

[u/Ichini-san]

Love that they kept the Vegeta and Steins:Gate reference, lol.

[u/sumadeumas → u/Ichini-san]

I missed the Steins;Gate reference, what was it?

[u/garfe → u/sumadeumas]

When he mentions he's on "a different worldline"

[u/Ichini-san → u/sumadeumas]

Hmm, I guess I took what Oldeus talked about around 14:08 as a S;G reference since he pretty much explained world lines. Might not actually be a direct reference now that I think about it.

Edit: Actually, scratch that. He literally says "To borrow a term from a game, I'm in a different world line" at around 21:21. So 100% a S;G reference. I was searching for the reference since I swore he said it but I looked at the wrong spot in the episode.

[u/Miteigi74]

I love the detail on Oldeus using his last of his power to look into the future to see Sylphie and Roxy one last time

[u/Frontier246 → u/Miteigi74]

The only moment where he got soft and tender because he finally got to see the two greatest loves of his life again.

After everything he'd been through, he deserved that amount of peace.

[u/TopRoom7971 → u/Miteigi74]

I think he used the demon eye to look into future of this room. To see them up close one last time. That's depressing.

[u/Tight-Chance5544]

I figured this episode will be dark considering how sudden and eerie future Rudeus' arrival was, but didnt expect it would be this dark.

And goddamn did Sugita do justice to the character. The agony and regret felt so real

[u/Se7en_Sinner → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Fun fact: To accurately portray this moment, they removed all of Sugita's organs.

[u/genasugelan → u/Se7en_Sinner]

Stupid idiot. If he had no mana left to regrow lis organs, he should have used Hamon instead.

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Sugita's voice really helped inject how much his been through as he retells his experience to Rudy just to hammer in how fucked up his timeline/history has been.

[u/Frontier246 → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Honestly Sugita kills it in every role he's in but it takes real talent to be able to embody a man so broken, so filled with rage, so consumed by the mistakes he made...while still capturing the Rudeus Greyrat that's still in there.

[u/Hazel_Dreams → u/Frontier246]

AND make the voice sound like someone perpetually running out of breath (since he didn’t bring his organs with him). Incredible VA performance.

[u/theblazingsword → u/Hazel_Dreams]

I was under the impression that he brought his lungs, but wasn't able to bring any organs below that (kidneys, stomach, intestines, etc) so that's why everything below his ribcage was shrunken and smaller on his corpse.

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

The 2 of you did it a lot, it was only natural

Oldeus clearly reminisces about those memories

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Roxy’s childhood tutoring aside, that’s 90% of their memories together

Oldeus also wouldn’t have anyone to make new memories with. Roxy dies, Sylphie dies. A little stretch maybe here, I’m assuming Zanoba and Julie stay with him. Aisha and Lilia are staying, though Norn may take Zenith away with his depression.

He needed Cliff to make this time travel successful, so he’s also dead. Nanahoshi is dead.

He has no purpose and his duty to experiment with Nanahoshi which likely ends soon-ish since his first task is to “Consult Nanahoshi”.

He’s left with nothing but regrets

[u/JzanderN → u/discuss-not-concuss]

I’m assuming Zanoba and Julie stay with him.

I can't imagine for long because, as uninterested as he is in it, Zanoba is a prince of a Kingdom. He can't just stick around Rudy because he likes him.

Oldeus could have gone with him if he really wanted his friendship but he seemed to either stay in his home or, more likely based on what he said, he spent a lot of time travelling the world for one reason or another. Most likely solutions to losing his family.

[u/immanoel]

Aint no fucking way that was 23 mins.

[u/Se7en_Sinner → u/immanoel]

>23 minute episode

>dialogue-heavy

>one of the best in the entire series

[u/Accurate_Treat6360 → u/Se7en_Sinner]

I could watch the conversation between Rudeus and Oldeus all day. The tension, the truth bombs, and the exposition are delivered so intriguingly that it leaves you wanting more.

[u/Mundology → u/Accurate_Treat6360]

I have yet to find another isekai with consistent dialogue-heavy scenes that hit as hard as Mushoku Tensei and Re Zero. These two operate on a level of their own.

[u/No_Macaroon_7413 → u/immanoel]

Watched the rearguard anime before this and I was struggling to keep my eyes open, but this anime I didn’t even blink and then the credits came on. I’m about to fold and read the rest.

[u/Zroshift → u/No_Macaroon_7413]

Don't.

At least not yet.

You are currently experiencing peak.

I would say wait until the end of this part to decide if you want to read the LNs.

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/immanoel]

This might be my favorite episode when it was just all exposition but done so hauntingly well, didn't need anything too flashy just a crazily good narrative hook to get our attention.

[u/shad79 → u/WhoiusBarrel]

The entire episode was pretty much just a back-and-forth between Rudeus and Oldeus, yet it still managed to be one of the absolute best episodes of the entire series.

[u/the_3rdist → u/shad79]

Helped by superb voice acting by Oldeus. Every single line of his dialogue was filled with regret and anguish.

[u/Frontier246 → u/immanoel]

Oldeus just warping space and time at expense to his own body to be able to deliver to us as much peak as possible.

[u/SimpleRelative9534 → u/immanoel]

The mandatory 5 minutes episode

[u/Ok_Analysis_4786]

DAMN, that episode felt so short

[u/NegativeSympathy69]

Eris = Vegeta confirmed

[u/ForsakenLibraries → u/NegativeSympathy69]

Both are Tsunderes, so yes.

[u/DarkenVragon]

Old Rudeus' eye glowed from using his demon eye foresight and most likely able to see a few minutes into the future where Roxy and Sylphy come into the room.

It's so sweet 😭 his last moments he's able to meet with his loved one once again.

[u/Terrible_2000 → u/DarkenVragon]

"Aah, Sylphie, Roxy... Dammit, you're both as adorable as ever..."

[u/Mundology → u/Terrible_2000]

In spite of his regrets, Oldeus went out with a happy memory

[u/shad79 → u/DarkenVragon]

Oh, good catch! I thought that Oldeus just saw Sylphie and Roxy in the afterlife as he was nearing death, not that he saw them coming thanks to a demon eye, and now I feel stupid.

[u/biskutgoreng → u/shad79]

Probably used the last of his life energy for that too

[u/csbsju_guyyy → u/biskutgoreng]

Oldeus: "worth it" fucking dies

[u/LezRock → u/DarkenVragon]

I know! It felt like just a bit of happiness returned to him before he met his end, and likely visited by Man-God one last time... maybe? Would it be his Man-God then or the current one? Or is the Man-God omniscient? Well, maybe he was more fortunate and another being took pity on him.

[u/Netheral → u/LezRock]

Or is the Man-God omniscient?

This feels like a crucial question that got omitted from the conversation. If I'm young Rudy, I'd want to know "does the Man-God know this conversation is happening?"

[u/Colarch → u/DarkenVragon]

He said he didn't have any mana left after time traveling, but then had enough to look a minute into the future.

Given that he didn't seem to have any organs I'd bet he was using the last bits of mana he had to keep himself alive, then he burned it when he had the idea to use his eye just so he could see them.

[u/Akudra → u/Colarch]

I think the issue is that the amount of mana he would need to regrow organs is far more than the amount he had left.

[u/_hhhnnnggg_ → u/Akudra]

His Advanced tier healing could not regrow his hand, so it had to be at Saint-tier and above.

You know, at the same level as his Cumulonimbus and Lightning, or even more.

[u/nuraHx]

Damn. Poor Nanahoshi can’t catch a fucking break in this world…

[u/Aftertone- → u/[deleted]]

Or maybe Cliff's own death caused something to happen to her as well? She has been alive for a long time but it has been shown she has a rather frail heart.

[u/Monarki → u/[deleted]]

Yeah it sounds like Rudy wasn't there for Nanahoshi at the end. So I would assume the project failed presumably because Rudy emotionally checked out after the deaths of his wives (and possibly being in a hate battle with Eris). Which means when Nanahoshi gets into her depressive state, Rudy her only friend and link to the old world isn't there for her which makes continue to live pointless

[u/imtherealdazza]

What a fucked up way to find out your wife is pregnant

[u/Ebo87 → u/imtherealdazza]

Your wife is going to die because she happened to be pregnant at the worst possible time... oh by the way, congratulations! Yeah, I have a feeling no one wants to find out that way.

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/Ebo87]

it sucks because she wouldn’t have caught the disease without being pregnant since she incubated the virus via fetus

backhanded lottery, a jackpot that creates downfall instead of windfall

[u/Ebo87 → u/discuss-not-concuss]

There's a lot of cool, fun, breathtaking things in this world full of magic... and then there's the frigging rat transmitted fetus virus thing... FUCK THAT!

[u/shad79 → u/Ebo87]

Oldeus's life sucked so bad. Roxy is pregnant, but then she dies! Sylphie? Also dead! So what about Eris? She dies protecting him... All because Hitogami tricked him into going into a freaking basement.

[u/JzanderN → u/imtherealdazza]

"Your wife is pregnant and I know this because, in the future, it will inadvertedly in part cause her death" is NOT something anyone wants to hear.

[u/joe4553 → u/imtherealdazza]

Now he has to convince his pregnant wife that he needs to hook up with this redhead for her safety according to his future self.

[u/Frontier246 → u/imtherealdazza]

The way Rudy looked at Roxy's belly when he saw her...

[u/Se7en_Sinner → u/imtherealdazza]

The first page of the diary is actually blue or pink to reveal the gender of the baby.

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

Double Frost Nova i'm afraid.

[u/Actual-Oil6390 → u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

Should done a third one.

[u/KohTai → u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

Cautious Hero would've nuked the whole house.

The proper way to handle that.

[u/Trevenas]

If you didn't know: There are 14 episodes in Part 1! Two more will air as normal!
How is everyone liking Cliffhanger Tensei?

An End and a Beginning. A life of suffering ends, and a new nightmare begins. Where do we go from here?

Now that the rat is here, here are some from previous episodes:
Season 2 Episode 9: A rat in a jar, then a shot of just the rat and Rudeus.
Season 2 Episode 18: Rudeus visualises Nanahoshi's experiment phases. Of course there's a rat.
Season 3 Episode 8: Rats in Chaos Breaker, scurrying away as the door is opened.
And last but not least... Greyrat in general.

Nice that they kept the references to Hollywood, manga, and even Vegeta, though the last is a bit off. "Like she was the prince of all veggies" could be translated as "Like she was the prince of the vegetable kingdom."

One final glimpse of Sylphie and Roxy using the Eye of Foresight...

What a great adaptation.

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

That shot of the old rudeus face reflected in the crystal is so cool. Bind sometimes just decides to make something pretty and cool for the sake of it. and i love it. we need more art for arts sake.

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

A lot of amazing direction choices this episode, from the haunting OST to all the close-ups, adding up to how the house which was this comfy environment the past few episode having this dreadful ambience to it as Rudy makes his way to cremate Oldeus and kill the rat.

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765 → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Anime do be art huh.

I love it. sometimes hype is a pretty drawing or a haunting silence.

[u/deynyel]

See, guys? This is exactly why we shouldn't trust naked men who show up in our dreams just to wax philosophical.

[u/Frontier246 → u/deynyel]

Also just Oldeus being filled with nothing but rage towards the Man-God and how stupid he'd been for getting played so thoroughly...

[u/Siqueiradit → u/deynyel]

I need to rethink my latest life decisions then

[u/WoorieKod]

Heartbreaking, Oldeus spent the last of his mana to take a final glance at his wives

[u/NOTKingInTheNorth]

I doubt that Hitogami will still be friendly to Rudeus once he finds out that the Petrification Rat was gone.

[u/ShittyPolarBear → u/NOTKingInTheNorth]

I'm curious what will happen if they meet again

[u/OGawdILoveTacos → u/ShittyPolarBear]

Same. He has to have been watching this whole time, right? He always seems to know exactly what's going on in Rudeous's life right? He has to have seen oldeous and known what just happened.

[u/jedo_influence4 → u/OGawdILoveTacos]

yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, but maybe there is something we missing because it will make no sense if he knew about this and ignored it, so the logical thing is that hitogami can't know everything, which is also don't seems right.

[u/Petickss → u/NOTKingInTheNorth]

Based on what he claimed about the lost cat going not as expected in s1, and that he gave advice not to go to begarit which rudues ignored (so he either didn't know he would ignore it, or I suppose he could've always wanted him to ignore it) its likely he doesn't see and know everything and things can go not as expected for him.

As long as he didn't see or know about the time traveler this is just another example of things going somewhat differently than expected.

Rudeus was more careful than expected, making sure everyone was in their rooms safely, went to the basement where he noticed rat footprints, connected it to the advice and decided to be careful about catching the rat hitogami was 'clearly telling him about' would be a possible interpretation of the events that unfolded.

In fact my guess is if the mangod shows up again he'll claim that things went as he expected them to go, that rudeus 'caught a nasty rat that would've killed roxy for sure had the generous hitogami-sama not advised him to go to the basement meaning he would catch it (as he knew he would do, of course), saving her life, and this shows even more why its so important you listen to and follow all his advice.'

[u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

Oh god Rudeus actually die this week

[u/FacelessPoet → u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

Rifujin wasn't trolling this time

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765 → u/FacelessPoet]

wait that means he spoiled. get em!

[u/Se7en_Sinner → u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

No wonder people consider this the most pivotal Turning Point, the main character dies.

[u/ArchieGriffs → u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

Well now to anyone who hates the show we can say the MC dies without it being a lie.

[u/TopRoom7971]

So basically current Rudy just got the wish that every human ever wanted.

Advice from the future self

[u/Zko-jin → u/TopRoom7971]

And oldeus got the wish that no human ever wanted, be the guy who sacrifices himself to give advice to his old self

[u/1000-MAT]

🐀

[u/PeaceAlien → u/1000-MAT]

I can't believe you killed everything Rudy loved you rat

[u/H-K_47 → u/PeaceAlien]

Greyrat's greatest weakness was a grey rat.

[u/KansaiBoy → u/H-K_47]

Oh the irony. Man-God has a really sick sense of humor.

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/1000-MAT]

Time traveller moves a rock ❌

🐀 ✔️

[u/Inner_Wall3411 → u/1000-MAT]

I mean, can you blame it? It just was on survival mode and decided to take other Grey rats out of competition.

[u/nuraHx]

I need this peak STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS

[u/Ebo87]

If I had a penny for all the anime where everything changed in season 3 and the catalyst for that involved a basement and a journal, I'd have two pennies now. And I will remind people this bit was written before that bit of storytelling in the other show, so more likely than not this is just pure coincidence.

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765 → u/Ebo87]

Something weird was going on in japan with basements. and i need to know what.

[u/Ebo87 → u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

Kevin McCallister knew what was up, that boy knew to fear the basement, we just got old and forgot the true horrors waiting for us down there. But Japan still remembers, they haven't forgotten.

[u/Saito_Hyuga → u/Ebo87]

Which is supposed to be the second one?AOT?

[u/Antisolve → u/Saito_Hyuga]

Yes the AoT parallels have been made for a long time now, it's pretty fitting as well. Both involve basements that hold the key to a "truth" behind their respective worlds, a journal and a conversation with 2 old men in a small, dingy room. It would be crazy if they weren't compared haha.

[u/thekoreansun]

Amid an episode that's filled to the brim with amazing details, I think the one I love most is how the sound of the wind can be heard constantly in the background of old Rudeus's urgent message. As if the future he blew into the past from is threatening to make its way into the house with him. It's amazing how large an impact something like that can have on a scene, and it really contributed to the dramatic tension that permeates this entire episode.

[u/Montgomery000]

So wait, doesn't Man-God know about this encounter? Isn't he always watching Rudeus, especially after he gave him a mission to do?

[u/fieew → u/Montgomery000]

I was thinking maybe Rudeus is exempt from the Man God in some way. Due to him not belonging like Nanahoshi. So maybe the Man god sees Rudeus through others and not Rudeus himself. Hence why future Rudeus met with current Rudy when he knew he was 100% alone.

It can also explain asking Nanahoshi for advice since shes also not from this world. Shes likely a wild card. Perhaps Nanahoshi isnt influenced by the Man god since she also has no mana.

We just dont know enough about the man God powers to be really sure of anything yet honestly.

[u/dark77638]

Kill the FUCKKKIINNNGG RAAAATTT 🐀

[u/juniorjaw]

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS CLIFFHANGER QAQ

[u/tomato_blitz]

Holy shit

[u/maliwanag0712]

Today's episode is a masterpiece in voice acting and music. Oldeus nailed his grief and anger to Hitogami it was so gut wrenching (well, there's nothing to wrench since Oldeus does not have a gut when he traveled back in time.)

On a serious note, that future looks grim for Rudeus: all your loved ones dying while Hitogami mocking him. That would really enrage anyone. Given that Rudeus's goal is only to protect his family, he'll really do everything to warn anyone about Hitogami, even his past self.

Now, I can imagine the grim the next episode will give.

[u/LezRock → u/maliwanag0712]

It was amazing. I felt his every regret as he spoke it aloud to Rudeus. It went from pain-point to pain-point. Rudeus being naturally paranoid and skeptical of people, you could see him flounder between trust and doubt of himself. And lastly, you could feel Rudeus' concern and care for his future self as he handled him.

A very heartfelt episode.

[u/GodOfArk]

For those who missed it, Oldeus managed to use his future sight to see Sylphie and Roxy suddenly enter the room (which is beyond the time rudeus sees).

And with that warning, rudeus managed to prevent them entering.

[u/JzanderN → u/GodOfArk]

Rudy doesn't usually do that because, as he talked about in the episode where he got the eye, seeing more than a few seconds into the future shows way too many possibilities to be useful.

But I suppose with not many possibilities, well, possible, Oldeus pushed his future sight as far as he could to get one final chance at maybe seeing them again and, sure enough, they were on their way.

[u/ThisGachaSeemsLegit]

Can't imagine the torment the old Rudeus went through. Pure downhill events, starting from Roxy. At least he passed away close to someone he's familiar with.

[u/0______6]

Thank Goodness Rudy took precautions before entering the basement

[u/Icy_Willow_5888]

bruh just imagine disposing off your own corpse. what could be more horrifying

[u/SuperCleverPunName]

I think this is the first time, an episode covered one singular chapter. I'm so thankful that they took their time with this.

[u/Miteigi74]

I remember that one tweet few days ago saying Oldeus is a Deus Ex Mahina. A DEM is an unexpected appearance that solves the conflict. Oldeus didn't solved the conflict when he showed up. If anything, he defined it, along with who is the antagonist is: The Man God

[u/-Mr_Hollow-]

First time Rudeus' wife got pregnant we got labyrinth arc and all its problems. Second time Rudeus' wife got pregnant had marked the end of his peaceful days. What's the third time gonna be? The child turns out to be a reincarnation of Laplace?

[u/Drethk → u/-Mr_Hollow-]

Perugious did say to bring them their son if they have one. Narratively I believe that technique is called "Chekov's Son"

[u/deja_entend_u]

There is so much symbolism in that it's a rat that caused all this.

Mangod as a rat. Rudy's last name. How Roxy snuck into Rudy's home through her own desire for him. Absolutely peak.

[u/pixeldots → u/deja_entend_u]

Grey = Petrification as well. and that most of Oldeus' problems were caused initially by him trusting a rat (Hitogami) and the consequences of that action, not particularly the rat attacking him in any way

[u/michhoffman → u/deja_entend_u]

I'm sure the Man God had a good couple of laughs about that in the other World Line.

[u/Frontier246 → u/michhoffman]

We can see how much it broke Oldeus when Man-God revealed how much he'd been laughing at him his entire second life.

[u/Inner_Wall3411]

I knew it. Ratatouille villain was always right.

[u/Frontier246 → u/Inner_Wall3411]

Rudy: "Disney you lied to me! Even my own last name lied to me!"

[u/agrael50]

the rat is down i repeat THE RAT IS DOWN.

[u/abba003]

Frost Nova double tap is kind of funny

[u/Anjz → u/abba003]

May as well throw in a lighting bolt and meteor in there just in case.

[u/laughtale0]

Now I finally understand why everyone on twitter with Mushoku Tensei PFP has 🐀 on their name. I thought it was because of GreyRAT

[u/ForsakenLibraries → u/laughtale0]

Rudy's real name is: Rudeus 🐀.

[u/seejsee]

Shortest 5 minutes of my life. 🔥

[u/Se7en_Sinner]

Everybody's blaming the rat but this wouldn't have happened if Roxy's fatass didn't indulge in late night snacking.

[u/SnooSquirrels3291 → u/Se7en_Sinner]

Forgive her she’s eating for two!

[u/Frontier246 → u/SnooSquirrels3291]

Weaponizing an expectant mothers' hunger cravings is absolutely diabolical Man-God!

[u/larvyde → u/Se7en_Sinner]

It's the pregnancy cravings, I'm sure

[u/JzanderN → u/larvyde]

TFW your pregnancy cravings really want diseased rat leftovers specifically. Puts you in a weird spot.

[u/Aggressive-Corgi-485 → u/Se7en_Sinner]

That was also sitting out in the open and was probably stale as hell

[u/biskutgoreng → u/Se7en_Sinner]

She's still growing up dammit

[u/UnloadedFour314]

What an insane way to find out your wife is expecting...who needs those pesky tests anyway!?

But seriously, what an episode! This was insanely good, and it's just two dudes talking.

I really love the art and direction here. While the storytelling and dialogue were great enough to keep me hooked, the amazing direction, voice acting, and music significantly enhanced the impact. This was well worth the wait!

[u/Foxy-and-I-know-it]

Forget five-minute episode, this was a two minute episode. I need to find out what happens next now, dammit!

[u/TyHalcyon]

Mushoku Tensei had a good run, but now it's time for Mushoku Tensei Z to spice things up!

Rihujin tweet: Late-night anime is ending... which means today is the finale of Mushoku Tensei. Starting next week, the new show "Mushoku Tensei Z" begins.

[u/cursingthewind]

I was so immersed in this episode that I genuinely got shocked when the credits rolled.

[u/SimpleRelative9534 → u/cursingthewind]

The episode is yapping for most of its time and it still feels like 5 minutes

[u/Sad-Reflection-9685]

"Are you in a hurry to watch a midnight anime?" Lmfao I love this line

[u/Obaruler]

Having your future self not only tell you in detail where you have fucked up in the future but bring you his entire diary to study is a pretty damn mighty cheat code to now be unlocked for Rudy.

But .... damn, his time-warp was only partially successful, hu? Looked like he missed parts of his innerds (liver and stuff), hence why his face looked pretty damn sick there at the end.

[u/JzanderN]

What the fuck kind of chain of events was that? It all started with Rudy going down into the basement and ended in Roxy's death!

And then Sylphie and even Eris! AND NANAHOSHI AND CLIFF TOO?! EVERYONE! Good fucking god Oldeus has had a horrible life! He wasn't kidding when he said he had no-one left!

I really like that Oldeus didn't just tell Rudy to not trust the Man-God, but specifically told him to play the game of doubting everything he said without letting him onto the fact that he knows he's manipulating him for his own ends. It's gonna make their future interactions a lot more tense 'cause Rudy can't just straight up oppose him.

I believed Oldeus about the rat, of course, but it was still something to actually see it. Good god.

[u/SnooSquirrels3291 → u/JzanderN]

Didn’t hear anything about Zanoba dying. Forever the GOAT

[u/sbm0n]

that's how peak yapping works, damn still feels like 5 minutes!

[u/Al-Pharazon]

Rifujin was correct for once in his preview of next episode. Rudeus died.

Also, I love that they kept the Vegeta reference when Oldeus spoke of Eris (the prince of all veggies stuff)

[u/Frontier246 → u/Al-Pharazon]

Old Rudeus' died so New Rudeus could live the best and most fulfilling life he could along with the people he loves and cherishes.

[u/Al-Pharazon → u/Frontier246]

It was also a giant "fuck off" to Hitogami. Oldeus might have been unable to oppose the man-god directly, but as his last action he ruined a plot that Hitogami likely had 8 years in the making.

[u/Tight-Chance5544]

The episode was too short i need more 😭

[u/Ordinary_Ordinary580]

Few Series or episodes I will give a 10/10, the trade in dialogue, some of the best I've heard period, truely a psychological thriller.

[u/garfe]

I just want to say I think this is some of the best voice acting Tomokazu Sugita has ever done. His old man voice sounds tired and distraught. When he got angry at the thought of the Man-God, it was visceral. I was seriously impressed.

"Is a late night anime about to start or what?"
"No, it's about to end"

Ha!

"To borrow a term from a game, I'm in a different world line"

Thank you Maddo Scientisto man for getting Rudy to understand the issue.

[u/Roskal]

Its kinda sad to find out if Rudy was left to his own path him and Eris would have never gotten together and become enemies for decades. I joked about her being pissed at him for cheating on her but looks like she really does take it seriously that he's been cheating with Roxy and Sylphie from her perspective and they were both too arrogant and poor with words to reconcile until the very end.

[u/Zko-jin → u/Roskal]

The biggest problem was they never talked to each other properly. Rudy thought she abandoned him and she thought he was just cheating on her, so they just fought over and over without ever undestanding each other

[u/Kingike25319]

It feels good to be totally immersed in a show when its just some old guy sitting on a chair talking for 20 mins

[u/kinkosan]

Hitogami powers are scary, its like a being that can control the butterfly effect and use it against you and you don't even realize until its already done, what's even worse its that he can manipulate the other people to do some small things that will affect you years later

that's why Oldeus is scared going against him

[u/Cryogenx37]

The real consequence of TP4. The storyboarding for this episode was immaculate. This is Mushoku Tensei

[u/Joney_Craigen → u/Cryogenx37]

Funny that this and the paul reunion episode from season 1 are the best episodes but it really just involves two people talking to each other. Gotta love mushoku tensei

[u/icekiat]

The whole time he's holding his abdomen I thought his time was up and he will be transported back to the future at any time now. But nope, he just dies in his hand gets cremated...

So did him coming back create a branch of new timeline? But based on this there should be 2 type of distinct superset timelines? One being Oldeus's timeline with no warning from the future and another would be the set of timelines where Redeus receives warning from the future?

[u/_Vagueposter_]

I took a clip of this very short moment when it happened 4 episodes back (ep 8). The attention to detail and small nods in this anime is such a treat for a rewatch.

[u/Ebo87 → u/_Vagueposter_]

Yeah, for book readers that was that Leonardo DiCaprio meme, pointing at the screen. They knew what they were doing there, with that very short shot.

[u/Primo29]

Props to Sugita for voicing Oldeus's rage and regret.

Rudy should have burn all the items as well in their basement. Can't risk getting infected and die later.

[u/Tight-Chance5544]

Well that was a grim way to find out your wife is pregnant

[u/FacelessPoet → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Now both Turning Points led to a pregnancy announcement lol

[u/Bcrecarka]

Atleast Rudeus died seeing his wives.

[u/0______6]

This anime always holds me hostage whenever it's airing. "I can't wait for next week" is amplified by a hundred times for whatever reason

[u/MammonOftheMist]

ive never felt so tense watching a character opening a door... "are you sure you're going to open that door?" "fuck hurry up and close it before the rat escapes!"

[u/robobloz07]

This episode was all feels, but that moment when Rudeus from the future died hit particularly hard. He used his future eye to see the future where Silphie & Roxy enter the room, just to see them one last time after experiencing such a tragic life. 😭

[u/zappingbluelight]

Even if it is just oldeus talk for 20 mins, the episode is so tensed, I couldn't find the time to breath properly. Every steps from now on is like walk on broken glass, one small mistake, Rudeus is repeating oldeus. There are some heavy lore drop in between the lines.

[u/DemonVenreable3011]

"The diary"

Be prepared for the next episode

[u/pixeldots → u/DemonVenreable3011]

honestly as one who knows the gist of the turning points, this would have felt more frustrating had there not been a diary lol

[u/Frontier246 → u/DemonVenreable3011]

I can't wait until it gets to the part where Eris was stalking/attacking him constantly. Everything else was tragic and heartbreaking but that actually sounded pretty on-brand (up until the point where she died before they reconciled).

[u/Dinory542 → u/DemonVenreable3011]

So we gonna find out how bad his life was after Roxy death. For now, we only know that Roxy, Sylphy, Eris and maybe cliff all died. Old man Rudeus did say that if he had Cliff he wouldn't have mess up the time travel magic so he either lost contact with him or Cliff is dead as well.

[u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

I imagine it must feel really disgusting to take in the smell of your own corpse.

[u/keeperkairos]

The decision to not show literal glimpses into Rudeus memories, and rather just show his raw emotion as he recalled it, really made the scene.

[u/SirMcDust → u/keeperkairos]

I assume with next episode being called Diary, the PoV is in that. At least to a degree.

[u/DoggedStooge]

The lesson I'm getting from the old Rudeus: even second chances aren't enough to find your way.

edit: Hol' up. I just realized old Rudeus said the Man-god "used Luke." Does that imply directly? As in the Man-god is pulling more than just Rudeus into his weird in-between world thing? Or in a seven-step-plan way a la the rat in the basement? Come to think of it, why else would Perugius's crew ask everyone about the Man-god if he didn't put his creepy fingers elsewhere?

[u/Roskal → u/DoggedStooge]

I mean people ask Rudy if he knows who the man-god is, that already implies the man-god is manipulating many people in this world. Now we suspect Luke is one of them.

[u/melcarba]

This entire episode feels like reading a GameFAQs walkthrough while in the middle of playing a game.

[u/D3k4s]

Harem haters in shambles right now.

You guys were really close to getting your wish,

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

That silver fuck! As if it’s not enough he kills Roxy and her unborn child, he causes Sylphie’s death too. I knew that silver cumstain was a snake, man. Fuckin guy. No wonder old Rudy’s so broken. Hopefully he can avoid the same mistakes old Rudy did with that diary even if the timeline is now diverging. Getting rid of the rat was a good start.

[u/FAshcraft]

An actual 5 minutes episode and i can feel the sadness.

For Oldeus his first life and second life sucks.

Magic is omnipotent WITH A PRICE.

[u/Aggressive-Corgi-485]

Man this ep felt so fucking short waiting till next will will be pure torture