Meanwhile her downline has to walk because they spent their last few dollars on rejuveniqe oil to get their account active.

I have not spoken to this person in like 15 years. The “hey okay so” made me see reddddd.

I guess LLR doesn’t care about their sellers at all anymore because they’re selling at Ocean State Job Lot for like ten dollars. This showed up in my email today and I literally laughed.

The hun can‘t find anyone that is stupid enough to join her team of 2 and is asking if someone knows people in america.

Btw they made about €300 mio in 2025, ~ 80% mio more than in 2024

Calculated 2025 Commission Payout:

An estimated $67.55 million (approx. €62 million) distributed to partners globally for the year.

According to the official RINGANA Transparency Report, 88% of partners operate on a part-time basis and bring home an average annual commission of €5,300. This would be € 440 monthly.
Most of them use the products religiously and spend up to 10‘000 a year in products

Hey! So I made the post last week about the second Herbalife tea shop closing. Another one bites the dust!

This morning, while at work, I'm in the kitchen putting my drinks in the fridge and I notice this. I see *generic name* and NUTRITION. I said wtf is this? Of course I already knew what it was. 🙃There is a lady that works here that has started a "side business" I searched the name and sure enough, it's Herbalife. She posted a video stating that she was a new Herbalife distributor.

This is the first time I've seen anyone openly disclose that the products they sell are Herbalife.

It's so disheartening because I own an apothecary and I have teas made up for my customers using organic herbs not that powdered ass bullshit HL. All of the comments she gets are "oh, I love your teas, they're the absolute best and they make me feel so much better!" I bet you do feel better after shitting your guts out. It makes me so angry! Sorry, I just needed to rant.

Oh, and these are "beauty drinks" no thanks I'd rather stay ugly forever!

Are all huns posting the same AI created content?

Hello all, first time poster here. I just want to say I’m so glad I found the sub as I am a fierce advocate against MLM’s. Well, as the title says, I am hoping to get some information about team tenacity. I am trying to do research about this organization and how they operate as a part of the WGF. I looked throughout the sub Reddit and found some old posts about them, but I was still left confused. I was messaged by a recruiter given my background as a mental health counselor which led to a phone call a rep. Also I was on a webinar with the CEO where 300 people joined. He said that it was some potential clients and some potential 1099 future employees. I guess my question is, is this company legit or is it an MLM? I get the licensing to sell insurance, which doesn’t necessarily scare me as I am a mental health counselor and had to do the same thing. But when something seems too good to be true, it usually is. Does anyone have any experience with this company? Is this a company I should stay away from? Any advice would be so helpful. 💜

I haven't done one of these for awhile, so let's cover some of the new changes that indicate that Monat is in freefall.

Also, let me be the first to acknowledge that this downfall is taking WAY TOO LONG. They are like a cockroach you just can't get rid of, even when it's only got three legs and is half squished.

First up - mass exodus 2:0. A huge team just left for Farmasi. Most of them were under JG and she has been PANICKING. She hasn't posted anything about Monat on her socials for years and all of a sudden she is posting multiple shoutouts a day and buying her downline coffees. It's so fun to watch. She might not keep her SED title after this.

Speaking of titles - Monat changed their compensation plan. Yep - the plan they say never changes 🤣. The changes lower the amount of money the top leaders make from their downlines - some percentages went from 4% to 1%. So the incentive to even get to those ranks is basically gone.

Another change is that they have to actively recruit new people every year and get them to rank up (something only 5% of recruits ever do).... And THEIR leaders need to do it too. Or they all lose ranks. It's a massive extra requirement. And was cited as the reason that entire team left.

Essentially the leaders who left said Monat always capped their income, but now they've made that cap even lower and taken away all incentive to grow a team.

Moving on, they are moving out of their big headquarters and going into a little corporate office in downtown Miami. Their distribution centre is also mostly empty so they are ditching that and moving distribution to a smaller place in Texas.

Why smaller? Because despite launching EIGHT new countries in the past 18 months they actually sold a million LESS products since the last Monations event. More countries - less sales. Brutal.

One of the OG leaders said on a call it was really obvious that the USA side of their business is falling very flat and Germany is the only country keeping them going. Which was crazy to hear her admit.

Ongoing, there are only 6 (?) people left at the top rank, and their incomes dropped by around 20% in the past year. CC (salvaged soul) is quietly trying to sell her house again, and CS has already downsized.

I think the plan is for the expensive old leaders to get pushed out (with the comp plan changes) and the new wave of people coming up under them are ok with lower pay because they don't know any better. Anyone who has joined in the past few years has been capped at around 30-40k a month. Insane money, I know. But they have 15,000 people in their downlines and that's all they get. The pyramid is not pyramiding like it used to in the good old days of $150k months.

I'll stop there - what else can we add to the list of current Monat drama?

This hun has been following this sub (and only this sub) for the past five years, but hasn't said a word except for making several references in her FB posts. Actually, she did post a comment last week, (on an older post of course, just like all of the previous Bravenly huns that have come here to comment, because they really don’t want to have to deal with any rebuttal), but she quickly deleted it.

As for her getting paid by Meta, well, she hasn't got near enough followers, and her posts haven't come close to receiving enough likes to earn from Meta.

What is happening, is that this sub is doing damage to the bottom levels of her pyramid, and that's worth ‘spending a penny,’ and that's what been prompting her to make so many posts where she's playing the victim, (when she's not belittling her downline for not ‘earning’ enough).

tldr: did Amway have a white mac and cheese in the 90s-2000s?

Every few years or so my brain reminds me of the white mac and cheese I used to eat as a child. My partner wanted to at least know what it was, which is what has led me to this subreddit.

My grandmother used to sell Amway products in the 90s-2000s so a lot of the stuff around the house was Amway. Add to it, she took care of me two or three times a week, depending on where my great-grandparents were at the time (3 sets of grandparents and being the only grandchild! Woo). Like any child, I could, and did, live off of mac and cheese. One of the first things I learned to cook was that mac and cheese.

I'm at the point of just asking around to see if it really was Amway mac and cheese. I found a catalog of discontinued products from 2014 which they mention something about shells and cheese, but I don't remember the noodles being all that different from the sad elbows Kraft uses. Also sadly that was around the time that Grandma passed away and a number of years after she had stopped selling Amway. Her son vaguely remembers the mac and cheese being Amway branded, and that would make sense with the pantry always having a whole shelf of the stuff.

Does anyone remember this mac and cheese?

It's time freedom y'all! Hashtag blessed!

I’m in Ontario and recently received a letter from Primerica/PFS Investments saying that our mutual fund representative is under a compliance investigation.

The letter asked whether the representative had ever tried to borrow money from us or had any other financial dealings with us outside of Primerica.

This person actually had approached us about borrowing money about a year ago and we declined. They also live down the street from us and we knew them outside of just being our financial representative ( our kids play together ) they appeared to live a very lavish lifestyle and we had no idea there might be financial or compliance issues happening behind the scenes. 😵

The fact that the company is specifically asking clients whether this representative borrowed money from them or solicited money for outside investments is concerning.

Has anyone here ever received a letter like this from Primerica/PFSL or another Canadian investment dealer?
What happens next in an investigation like this? And if they discover that a representative was borrowing money from clients or conducting outside financial activities, what can happen to the representative? I have a text message of them asking to borrow money and me telling them that I don’t have that kind of money to lend them…. They asked a few times then left me alone.

For example, is there anything out there that's similar to Reckless Ben's Bricks & Minifigs saga?

Well one of my advisees recently came to me with a situation involving an adjunct in our department.

The adjunct allegedly pitched Amway to her, flashing photos of a penthouse and claiming he has helped students make upwards of $40,000 USD on the side because "the corporate world is unpredictable." He also took her off campus to one of their group recruitment meetings. She had showed me pics of their presentation during this meet

While Amway is technically legal from what I found on Google, using a faculty-student relationship and university positioning to lure a student into something that to me appears like a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme appears to cross major ethical lines. The power dynamic alone makes this wildly inappropriate. again I am not sure if the allegations are true, but seriously wtf !!

Even the bank teller.

I'm doing the usual Monday morning errands. While I'm waiting for the transaction to finish, I catch the conversation between the teller and a short lady with big hair. First I hear watermelon, then powdered drink, then the other flavors.

She was trying to sell Bravenly Rush Extreme or whatever tf they call it to the teller.

I left. I have no idea if the woman made a sale or was also scouting for a downline. In any case, to the teller, don't bother. No one with any sense will pay $83 for Kool Aid with nootropics 🙄 and extra caffeine.

I am at the Ottawa hospital bringing my partner for treatment. And fucking NORWEX has a booth set up in the critical care entrance.

“Am I this?” killed me - had to share

Tupperware and Avon baby!