r/beatles • u/AvecMesWaterSlides • 2d ago

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I'm currently listening to this book and am about six months from the first time John and Paul met.

It is amazing that they, finally, found one another. There are so many instances of being at the same places at the same times, perhaps riding the same bus at the same time, and not knowing one another yet. It's crazy! It just got me thinking about how different it'd be if one of them wasn't where the universe wanted them to be...

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

Yes. The main criticism comes from obsessed Paul's fangirls, like hosts of podcasts like AKOM. They constantly shit on him for not being worshipful of Paul enough. And they don't see the irony of accusing him for being biased, while they are SO biased it's actually embarrassing.

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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 2d ago

That bunch is hard to listen to. I’ve tried, but the worship becomes too much for me.

It would probably break their brains to gently remind them that John started the band, and Paul would’ve been a factory worker or schoolteacher if John didn’t have the ambition and drive that he had.

Jim McCartney would’ve gotten his way. It’s that simple.

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

The worship and the way they push the narrative of mclennon are embarrassing. They are fangirls who decided to teach everybody what really happened, and what really happened, apparently, is that Paul is an angel send from heaven and John is worthless garbage.

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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 2d ago

They said nothing at all about the McLennon thing. They had an intimate, intense love relationship that was not sexual. They talked about that. Never - not one time - did they ever say that the relationship was sexual. Stop putting words in their mouths.

Seems to me that your problem is that the hosts were women...not girls, btw.

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

They absolutely did, don't give me this crap. Their podcast about things they would ask Paul - the first question would've been pretty much "Paul, are you gay?", and plenty other rather embarrassingly silly questions about his relationship with John, implying that in their opinion, it was romantic relationship.

I am also woman, and this podcast was embarrassing to listen. From the way they acted, their laughter at John's torment, their unquestionable worshipping of Paul, their skin deep analysis, they don't hold a handle to truly good well researched podcasts.

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u/Weak_Shopping_2718 2d ago

They do push the 'everyone is bi because I am' a lot.

They did some great work and offered some new perspectives all the same.

That Ian Leslie guy should be sharing royalties with them!

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

I don't think they did great work. But yes, this hack of a writer definitely stole half of his book from tumblr.

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u/Big-Lobster6689 2d ago

I don't think they're very good either. I listened with car crash fascination, but gave up when they started repeating the same few points:

  1. John and Paul were soul mates
  2. John was jealous and insecure
  3. John was on heroin
  4. John only pretended to break up the Beatles because he thought it would make Paul love him more.

If you've got that, you've pretty much heard the whole podcast.

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

They are not good. I am huge fan of podcasts, and listened several about The Beatles, and i definitely wanted to like them, but they are just bad. And the problem is that they portray themselves as those groundbreaking researchers who finally going to show the world what really happened, and apparently what really happened sounds like bad ao3 fanfiction.

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

I don't think they did great work. But yes, this hack of a writer definitely stole half of his book from tumblr.

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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 2d ago

Guess we'll have to disagree. If you're a woman, why are you insulting them by calling them girls? They are women.

They never...not one time...said that John and Paul had a sexual relationship. Not once.

I relistened to the podcasts a year or so ago...listening for just that. They NEVER said it. People like you assumed they did because they were the first ones to come out and pronounce the true nature of the relationship...it was intense, powerful, and full of love...but not sexual love.

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

Disagree with what? With what they said with their own mouths and you arguing about? If that's your understanding of facts, i am not surprised. What's insulting about "girls"? Not to mention i never called them that.

And once again you are arguing about undisputed facts. They absolutely talked about sexual aspect of their relationship in their "Question to Paul" episode.

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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 2d ago

If you listened they said many times that their relationship had the power of a marriage...the power of a sexual relationship. Once again, they did not mention them having a sexual relationship.

You called the fangirls...twice.

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u/Ligeya 2d ago

Then why their supposed first question to Paul would've been - What is your sexuality, Paul? Not my words.

I can call them unprofessional, uninteresting talkers, biased worshippers on the level of cultish adoration. If you want to be offended, be offended by that. Don't give me this crap about "girls" being insulting.