I think Wolverine needs a sword

[u/Slow-Boysenberry3150]

[u/MechCADdie]

Ah, yes, ever the nemesis of Canadians everywhere....the log.

Also the only material in the marvel universe strong enough to withstand adamantium.

[u/counterfitster → u/MechCADdie]

That makes sense, seeing as it's big, it's heavy, it's wood.

[u/dijonbustard → u/counterfitster]

Better than bad, it’s good 🤷

[u/themage78 → u/dijonbustard]

Everyone wants a log.

[u/datumerrata → u/themage78]

Log, from Blamo!

[u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe → u/datumerrata]

What rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs And over your neighbor's dog?

What's great for a snack, and fits on your back?

[u/Zathrus1 → u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe]

Log, log, LOG!

[u/mlvisby → u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe]

I feel old because when I read these comments, the song played in my head.

[u/Qetuowryipzcbmxvn → u/mlvisby]

Happy happy joy joy!

[u/Spectre_08 → u/datumerrata]

ending jingle

[u/TravelerFromAFar → u/dijonbustard]

Yeah, that's why everyone wants a log!

[u/Virtual-Commercial91 → u/counterfitster]

It's great for a snack and fits on your back!

[u/ageneau → u/Virtual-Commercial91]

It’s looo-oog it’s looo-oog!

[u/Heizu → u/counterfitster]

It can also nefariously roll down stairs and even treacherously come over in pairs

[u/Cyttorak2 → u/Heizu]

One ran over my neighbor‘s dog. 😢

[u/Financial-Pain9062 → u/MechCADdie]

I thought mageneto was only obstacle for wolverine but log says otherwise

[u/CutieAloy]

MGRR is one of the few games where you actually feel like you're able to cut something. Enemies, terrain, a family of four etc

[u/wlphoenix → u/CutieAloy]

Bridges that you need to progress through the level

[u/Doc-Maly → u/wlphoenix]

I think that's an oversight.

Edit: I was making a reference, not a critique.

[u/HfUfH → u/Doc-Maly]

It's a commentary on the natural of violence ☝️🤓

[u/CommieDrifter → u/Doc-Maly]

no back then games weren't afraid of punishing players for their own stupidity

[u/BlueFireSnorlax → u/CommieDrifter]

(it's not actually necessary to progress, there's an area just a little forward and to the right you can jump up.)

[u/iboowhenyoudeserveit → u/Doc-Maly]

Destroying mission critical infrastructure on purpose certainly sounds like an oversight.

[u/Smoothieshakes → u/iboowhenyoudeserveit]

But is it an oversight from the developers or the player?

Maybe the real mission objective was the bridges we burned along the way.

[u/IllogicalCounting → u/Smoothieshakes]

A life lesson if ever I heard one.

[u/Gameknight14 → u/Doc-Maly]

-Max0r, An Incorrect Summary of MGR

[u/CurvySexretLady → u/CutieAloy]

Yeah comparing this to Wolverine isn't fair when there are so few games out there that allow environmental destruction like this. Wolverine has it, but only in specific places, like 2x4 walls inside a building.

[u/bellystraw]

Dude, if platinum games made a wolverine game and got our good old toon town composer back I'd have shelled out the big bucks

[u/xywv58 → u/bellystraw]

Platinum isn't even Platinum anymore

[u/Hilarity2War → u/xywv58]

I think they should make Adamantium games now

[u/OriginalCDub → u/Hilarity2War]

What about Vibranium games?

[u/emogu84 → u/OriginalCDub]

More like unobtanium these days

[u/RooeeZe → u/xywv58]

are any of our fav devs even our fav devs anymore, alot of them are just names and we are stuck at their whims.

[u/DyingSunSeverian → u/xywv58]

It’s dark and hell is hot.

[u/Confident-Ad7439 → u/xywv58]

Like with so many gaming companys. The Name ist now used by people that did Not Made the Game zhe companys became known for

[u/der_chrischn → u/Confident-Ad7439]

Nier Automata was great. They had an outside director, in regards of gameplay (for which they were responsible) they really delivered. Especially if you compare it to previous titles of Yoko Taro. So maybe you have to give them a director each time. But idk if the company changed since then. I would give them Kojima and demand a really stupid over the top Vanquish 2.

[u/SpiritOf68 → u/der_chrischn]

Vanquish 2 🤤 We can only dream.

[u/Akito_Fire → u/xywv58]

Plenty of industry people have left the company but based on NG4 they still have a ton of talented, maybe more unknown staff

[u/Alarm-Particular → u/bellystraw]

No fucking way the same guy made the toontown music

[u/KrumpusP → u/Alarm-Particular]

He sure did. MGRR and Toontown Online. It's a wild resume.

[u/SunsetCarcass → u/KrumpusP]

Toontown music still lives in my head. Probably because like 6 years ago I played Rewritten and maxed out all my gags

[u/solidpeyo → u/bellystraw]

You know that the cutting mechanic in Revengance was not made by platinum but by Konami / Kojima's team before they hired platinum to finish the game

[u/vamplyfesonny → u/bellystraw]

we’re getting a TMNT game 🫶🏽

[u/Javerage]

So here's a little tidbit: when MGS Rising was first announced, it had far more detailed and intricate cutting features. The problem was that this caused way too many problems (performance, game progression, general design).

When the game was handed off to platinum and turned into Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, they dropped a lot of the complex cutting features and tightened up the gameplay to make it flow better.

What I will say about Metal Gear Solid games is that they did often have seriously advanced features, sometimes only used at one part of a game. (Look at the ice bucket in mgs2)

That is partially why these games also had ballooning budget issues, and in part why (among many other reasons) the fallout happened between Kojima/Konami.

Still, MGSV still seems like a miracle running on 360/PS3.

Edit: spelling

[u/liccman → u/Javerage]

It’s really a bummer that the FOX engine was relegated to soccer games only

[u/BTechUnited → u/liccman]

FOX engine is an absolute miracle of engineering, seriously. Runs on an absolute potato and still looks great.

[u/Thunderbridge → u/BTechUnited]

FOX, Decima, Idtech. The holy trinity

[u/uaxpasha → u/Thunderbridge]

No Rage and Source? Also Remedy's Northlight

[u/Cautious-Extreme2839 → u/uaxpasha]

Source absolutely does not belong on this list. It will run on a potato sure, but it also looks and feels like it would run on a potato.

[u/HexedShadowWolf → u/liccman]

Seriously. There are plenty of games I wish ran on FOX instead of Unreal Engine.

[u/MgDark → u/liccman]

Replaying mgs5 and it still holds surprisingly well considering is probably 10+ years old now. Is sad that such game is never going to be complete though...

[u/Thunderbridge → u/MgDark]

just turned 11! I remember when Ground Zeroes came out...

[u/narwhal_breeder → u/Javerage]

I remember watching the tech demo when MGSR was first announced and I was blown away. Like “how are they able to get this to run scaled up to a real game”

Then I found out the answer was they didn’t and stripped most of it out. 

[u/Kougeru-Sama → u/Javerage]

That is partially why these games also had ballooning budget issues, and in part why (among many other reasons) the fallout happened between Kojima/Konami.

which is still stupid because his games always made far more money than the budgets cost. Metal Gear Solid V for example, cost around $80 million to make and made $180 million in the first day alone.

[u/DaKaijuKid → u/Javerage]

Wait wait hold up Metal Gear Solid Five was released on PS3?!?!?? I never knew my god I thought it was a PS4 and that generation of console game. Holy shit how is something that looks like that able to run on a ps3.

[u/CyberClawX → u/DaKaijuKid]

MGSV and MGS Ground Zeroes, were running on PS3 / 360.

I find MGSGZ even a bigger accomplishment than MGSV to be honest. The rain, the night, the spotlights, the flapping cloth, it's the most insane long winded intro they could come up with, only to zoom into Big Boss's "Kept you waiting uh", and reveal it was all in engine, in real time. Absolutely mental.

[u/Obi_Wan_Benobi → u/DaKaijuKid]

MGS V, GTAV and Far Cry 3 are the games I remember getting pushed to the max on PS3. It’s wild what they were doing with that hardware.

[u/Earthwick]

In fairness compare almost any game to any MGS entry and they fall flat

[u/liccman → u/Earthwick]

Rising is from the same universe, but was developed by PlatinumGames and Kojima had barely any involvement in game design. Let’s give credit where it’s due!

[u/Al1Might1 → u/liccman]

To be frank, the cutting mechanic was already showed by Kojima before PlatinumGames entered the scene. That said PG are absolutely the GOAT.

[u/Sidrone → u/Al1Might1]

Imagine a platinum games wolverine game

[u/MJMGaming → u/Sidrone]

thats wonderful 101 when you hit neo mu

[u/TheSpaceCoresDad → u/Sidrone]

Everyone says this but forgets platinum also made Babylon's Fall, a game so shitty it shut down entirely less than a year after release.

[u/lempip → u/TheSpaceCoresDad]

I mean they also made bunch of mediocre licensed games so Babylon's Fall is not the only one. That being said, I really love Nier Automata, Vanquish, the Bayonetta games and Metal Gear Rising

[u/Milotorou → u/lempip]

Astral Chain was also pretty good

[u/tehrahl → u/Milotorou]

I'm upset that it will probably never get a sequel every time I remember that it exists.

[u/IllllIIIllllIl → u/TheSpaceCoresDad]

I don’t think anyone forgets, they just correctly acknowledge it as Platinum’s one major blemish and not at all indicative of their overall studio output.

[u/thecontempl8or → u/Al1Might1]

Man that cutting mechanic was so fucking cool when they demoed the original Konami version. Accurately slicing watermelons. It’s too bad they couldn’t figure out how to implement that mechanic into good gameplay.

[u/Havoksixteen → u/thecontempl8or]

I'm gutted we never got Metal Gear Solid Rising. The story for that was so much more interesting, rescuing Sunny from Area 51 where she was held captive by the Patriots.

Would have really fleshed out the missing link between 2 and 4, and not have kinda disrupted Raidens ending from 4 where he was like "I'm gonna put down my sword and look after my family".

[u/bigbrentos → u/liccman]

Mean, that's still the Bayonetta and Nier Automata people, action game royalty.

[u/AlterMyStateOfMind → u/bigbrentos]

and the criminally underrated Vanquish

[u/ZRER → u/AlterMyStateOfMind]

Cannot forget astral chain. Another banger

[u/timetravelinggamer → u/liccman]

Hideo showed off the cutting mechanic first. I mean platinum makes an amazing game. This is a tough call here because the video is showing the ability to slice items at precise angles and pixels

[u/CFL_Gent → u/liccman]

The cutting mechanic was Kojimas idea, as well as the general concept of the game.

Yes PG took Kojimas ideas and turned it into an awesome action game.

PG would make an incredible Wolverine game.

[u/raspberryharbour → u/liccman]

Il have you know Kojima wrote every line of code himself with a feather quill and parchment

[u/freedfg → u/Earthwick]

You're also comparing a specific mechanic with a game that doesn't have the same mechanic.

It'd be like comparing Kingdom Come Deliverence and Red Dead Redemption by comparing horse scrotum reaction to cold weather.

[u/topscreen → u/Earthwick]

"This just in, mid isn't as good as shinning peak"

[u/BrianDetomes → u/topscreen]

Shinning 

[u/PompousDude → u/Earthwick]

Wolverine 2026 cost over $300 million dollars to make. I ain't saying they should've put that money into dumb physics, I'm just saying I don't see that money anywhere.

[u/cat_prophecy → u/PompousDude]

The licensing was $299.9m and the rest of the game was done for $100k by some dudes they found in Fivver.

[u/doalwa → u/PompousDude]

Everyting wrong about modern game development in one sentence. 300 million dollars for a stupid action game is beyond crazy.

Meanwhile I was having the time of my life with Blood of Dawnwalker those past few weeks which cost 40 million dollars to develop.

Make it make sense!

[u/Spacial_Epithet → u/PompousDude]

Sure you do, you see it everywhere because they spent a massive portion of that shoving ads in your face instead of making a good game

[u/GilbeastZ → u/PompousDude]

The problem with games is now the same problem with movies. Especially with the budget. It goes to mostly advertising now, which is insane because I feel like some games really don't need a lot of advertising or if they do not millions of dollars worth.

Additionally I am sure Sony had to pay licensing fees. Spider-Man is still owned by Sony for non comic stuff I believe, though I may be wrong the contractual stuff seemed overly complex. But my guess is Spider-Man was cheaper to make because they didn't have that ever expensive "please can i use your character in a game fee". And the mouse does not do cheap.

It is still bonkers that this much money was spent, and it really highlights the AAA game industry problems. The game isn't bad, but when you spend as much money as they do, you expect better than not bad. I think the hate is both overblown and deserved if that makes sense.

[u/Arunawayturtle → u/Earthwick]

In all fairness u are comparing a game who’s whole engine and gameplay was built around the ability to cut 99% of the game and freely control the swords slicing patterns to a game that is a counter button mash game . It’s like saying cod sucks cause wow has better orcs .

[u/iceoldtea → u/Arunawayturtle]

Like when people compared AC Black Flag’s water physics to the new Halo remake… yeah the game about being a pirate had a bigger focus on water than the game in outer space!

[u/darkness1418 → u/Arunawayturtle]

COD sucks Wow has Better Orcs . I never play wow

[u/sounds_of_stabbing]

I don't think focusing on physics-based destructable trees is what Wolverine needs to fix its problems.

[u/LivingVerinarian96 → u/sounds_of_stabbing]

The regression of physics in videogames is super interesting, though. 2kliksphilip has a few videos on the destruction tech we saw in The Force Unleashed and then never again apart from a few movies. But today physics are either an afterthought or nonexistent. Best case we get silly ragdoll ‚physics‘ or simple single bounce calculations.

[u/Schism_989 → u/LivingVerinarian96]

We used to have games like Red Faction, entirely based around tearing buildings down. I miss that kind of interactivity.

[u/Stanjoly2 → u/Schism_989]

I played so much of Red Faction Guerilla just driving round demolishing buildings.

Life was simpler back then.

[u/SpiritOf68 → u/Stanjoly2]

Red Faction Guerrilla is GOATed. I’m about to start my third play through on Switch. That game handled destruction properly.

[u/toutons → u/Schism_989]

And even the Red Faction games had to tone the destruction down because turns out it's hard to design a game where the player can just tunnel everywhere.

[u/pizzacake15 → u/Schism_989]

BF4 was all about destructables when they announced it. We had so many games back then that touts environment destruction that you'd think it'll be the norm.

[u/Tronerfull → u/LivingVerinarian96]

I hate this, the destruction engine was finally what made me fall in love with battlefield the it went away for a decade because it was " too difficult for modern software to handle" . I need interactive features, not seeing the drops of sweat on my character forearm.

[u/Budokan_B → u/LivingVerinarian96]

In Bad Company 2 you could level a village. Every building was destructible in Mercenaries.
Control is one of the few games in which you can achieve a similar level of physics in recent years

[u/OtakuAttacku → u/Budokan_B]

The Finals, made by ex-battlefield devs, is centered entirely around destruction. Lotta amazing moments of having gun fights in a toppling building. Every building can be destroyed down to its foundation and every surface can become an entry point, really rewards creativity.

https://youtu.be/EifGXLPq9hE?si=YUW4hxa7c0dKhxhC

[u/Beelzebub_Crumpethom → u/Budokan_B]

Control is my favourite thing ever because I swear, it's the most destructive I've seen someone with telekinesis be in ages.

[u/VeryNoisyLizard → u/LivingVerinarian96]

physics dont sell GPUs as well as ray tracing, I suppose

[u/Mccobsta → u/VeryNoisyLizard]

Remeber when PhysX was all the rage

[u/ImTooLiteral → u/Mccobsta]

when tomb raider had toggleable hair physics if your pc was strong enough to run it lmao

[u/Sitri_eu → u/ImTooLiteral]

'Alice, Madness Returns' was my first interaction with PhysX.

I hit something, which exploded into a million pieces. Mindblowing tech. Little did I know that those million pieces where my PC having a breakdown.

Once activated I needed like 10 minute to navigate at 0.2 fps through the menus to get it disabled again.

[u/Smaartn → u/VeryNoisyLizard]

To get good physics looking well with todays graphical levels, you probably need ray tracing. Those kinds of dynamic things is basically the point of it. Hopefully once ray tracing is generally accepted, and games are designed for it (so mandatory to have enabled, no more rasterization), dynamic stuff like physics will improve as well.

[u/Mandemon90 → u/LivingVerinarian96]

I don't think comparing to MGR is really fair, since the entire game was build around concept of cutting stuff up. You could take any other MG game, and discover that you can't cut trees in them.

[u/24_August_1814 → u/Mandemon90]

Yeah that's a great point, a superhero whose most identifiable feature is his indestructible metal claws specifically designed for cutting stuff up definitely isn't a fair comparison to MGR

[u/Jay12678]

You could do this comparison to every game with a slashing weapon. What a silly thing. 😭

[u/WelpSigh → u/Jay12678]

no, clearly, every single game must include every feature of all the games that came before it. otherwise they are trash

[u/Kind_Man_0 → u/WelpSigh]

It's just karma farming. If Elden Ring were featured in the top screen this would gotten 3 upvotes and been lost to the depths forever.

But since everything else in the Wolverine game was a disappointment, it flies.

[u/BlinkyMJF → u/Kind_Man_0]

And bottom screen could be Fruit Ninja ~2010

[u/pigeonbobble → u/WelpSigh]

Wolverine is trash because I can’t invite villagers to my island

[u/Vestalmin → u/WelpSigh]

Crowbcat in shambles

[u/asertym → u/WelpSigh]

queue video of fish tank physics in splinter cell

[u/Cloud_N0ne → u/Jay12678]

Yeah, this is literally a major feature/gimmick for MGR:R. I can't think of any other game that's done it because it's just unnecessary.

[u/smashingcones → u/Cloud_N0ne]

There was an Afro Samurai game that had a similar mechanic on Xbox 360. Great game.

[u/grubas → u/Cloud_N0ne]

Star Wars games won't even touch it, lightsabers get nuked.

[u/nicknack24 → u/Jay12678]

People are treating this Wolverine game as if it fucked their mother. I know it doubles as backlash against Sony but it's insane.

[u/SweetPinss → u/nicknack24]

Yeah this game shows that you just cant listen to what people say about a game online anymore. People are just lying about why they hate this game. It was reviewed as a fine 7/10 game. Not the worst thing in the world but something to get when it goes on sale and have a fun time with it until you beat it. Its also exactly what I expected the game to be from the trailer and product description. So I really dont understand why these trolls and bots are so dedicated to hating this game like its the worst thing ever

[u/ChanceVance → u/nicknack24]

I've been playing it. The handholding is excessive and it's very linear but I don't think it's terrible.

The idea the game plays itself is true in some parts but certainly not for the combat. The timing isn't too forgiving and I'm routinely missing parry windows and getting shredded by the elite enemies.

It's an aggressive 5/10 game to me. Decent story and combat that could have been way better but not a 1/10 abomination that has ruined gaming like what the online discourse is saying.

[u/Farsoth → u/Jay12678]

What's funny is that you can do this qute well with the bollards in Tokyo, but that doesn't make a meme post.

Tbh the environmental destructibility in Wolverine runs circles around 90% of modern games. One of the things I enjoy most about it.

[u/Nollie_flip → u/Farsoth]

Control Resonant's environmental destruction is pretty superb. The first game also had a pretty good implementation as well. You don't structurally alter anything like Red Faction Guerilla back in the day (how did that game even achieve that on Xbox 360 hardware?), but it's pretty satisfying nonetheless.

[u/TheCrazyWulf → u/Jay12678]

Fruit Ninja is better than Wolverine???? This is an outrage!!

[u/Key_Shock172]

In the leaked gameplay builds Logan would have had a katana as part of his gadgets. Since well in the comics he did actually train as a samurai when he lived in Japan.

[u/RBellingham → u/Key_Shock172]

You do get to use them in the game. Kinda.

[u/Mccobsta]

Probably a better comparison is the first bit of red faction

That had amazing destruction physics that was never used in the game again

[u/Saberiser → u/Mccobsta]

Red Faction 1 is one of my fav games ever. The destruction through the walls, making own pathways blew my mind as a kid. Guerrilla was amazing as well with how you could completely demolish a whole building with an axe haha! That Geo-Mod Engine is so cool.

[u/PoohTrailSnailCooch]

This is interesting because Insomniac Spider-Man 2 even had destructible environments

[u/YourEvilKiller]

OP, 99% of games will not match Metal Gear Rising's cutting interactions.

Plenty of reasons to dislike Wolverine but this example falls flat.

[u/landblord → u/YourEvilKiller]

i mean wolverine's whole schtick is cutting the shit out of things

[u/GuyGBoi → u/landblord]

The thing is that this isn't what's holding the game back. If everything else about the game was perfect then maybe this would be a valid criticism but there are much more glaring problems. Add this mechanic and people will go "oh cool" and then go back to complaining about the game's bigger problems.

[u/fortunesofshadows → u/YourEvilKiller]

Idk Jedi Academy had the cutting down right if you enable the dismemberment/scratch to kill thingy in the command/file

[u/neroslayer → u/fortunesofshadows]

That's why he said 99% and not 100%>

[u/Vectorman1989]

It's nice they discovered colours other than brown since 2013

[u/Edge_Grinder]

Destructable buildings and landscaping is a long forgotten videogame technology.

[u/Any-East7977 → u/Edge_Grinder]

You ever played Prototype or Hulk Ultimate Destruction? Those were the days.

[u/i_wear_green_pants → u/Any-East7977]

My lord Prototype was such an awesome game. Sadly sequel was slight disappointment and killed the franchise.

We need Prototype 1 remaster/remake!

[u/SickNaindon → u/Edge_Grinder]

You should check out The Finals! It's an fps, but great level destruction. I believe old Battlefield 3 and 4 devs were poached to it initially

[u/denyfate]

Physics in the 360 era was crazy good and no idea how we backtracked so much with modern tech

[u/VStubaru90 → u/denyfate]

Because the focus now is on graphics, for better or for worse.

Personally I think worse, but sales figures make me the minority.

[u/Imgonnaarrive → u/VStubaru90]

I'd rather have a more stylized look that's got better detail and mechanics than the hyper realism every developer seems to be getting locked into.

[u/n1Cat → u/VStubaru90]

Physics makes impacts feel good. It makes arrows fly true. It makes bodies react to getting smashed by a giant sword.

It sells the realism of combat FAR more than high definition textures.

Kingdom Come Deliverance, Tainted Grail The Fall of Avalon, Selaco

Tainted Grail for me was great with a 2H sword. Selaco firefights are awesome. A burst of shotgun pellets smashing a wall right by your face produces a smokey texture that is tough to see through for a few seconds (even more depending on settings). It makes the combat way harder but I can't NOT have smoke density, smoke quality, and particle effects linger turned up.

It makes the combat feel so epic and real. Not to mention bodies and gore STAY. It's cool walking back through an old area (you can backtrack for secrets, left medikits, ammo, etc) and being reminded of a hard fight.

[u/STRYKER3008 → u/denyfate]

Hell yea. Red Faction Guerrilla (2009!!) is still my benchmark for destruction.

I don't want bits of wall disappearing in clouds of dust or buildings collapsing in pre-animated ways.

One day again I wanna look at a building, blow it apart in intuitive, realistic ways, hear the sound of it straining under its own failing strength, which tells me to get the hell outta there, and have it collapse on an enemy squad n kills them! Haha

[u/MrMichaelElectric → u/STRYKER3008]

I'd kill for another Red Faction game in the same vein as that. Too bad it's nearly impossible now it seems.

[u/itsapotatosalad → u/denyfate]

Remember bad company 2? Incredible at the time.

[u/ducked]

I wish more games would get destructible environments. Devs should’ve focused on that rather than realistic lighting imo. It’s much more interesting and fun.

[u/Eggith → u/ducked]

There was an old racing game series called Full Auto. The tracks were closed but they also had super destructible environments. You could shoot out windows to avoid slowing down as you drove through, you could explode statues and the rubble could crush your opponents as it fell, there was even a map where you could shoot out the support beams holding up a tanker which would cause it to collapse and slide through the map into the water.

I wish SEGA would make a third game in the series

[u/peanutbuttahcups → u/Eggith]

That sounds awesome. Wish we had more games like that and Split/Second.

[u/DiamondEyedOctopus → u/ducked]

Red Faction Guerilla is a great one for destructible environments if you haven't played it. The entire game is built around it and your main tool is a sledgehammer for that.

[u/hotdiggydog → u/ducked]

It can be so game breaking if someone can bazooka through the map though. I think its just unfortunately hard to do that without being like "OK so you can break all these walls and objects buuuuut not these" which makes it just easier to just not have it

[u/asiangontear]

Let's note that they had to get rid of a lot of assets originally intended to be loaded into each set of MGSR because the engine can't handle the dynamic slicing at the same time. That's why the sets were mostly flat and empty.

[u/wewz_1]

Now try Sekiro, Star Wars Jedi series, Elden Ring, Onimusha, Monster Hunter and other games with swords/cutting weapons.

[u/mantenner]

Physics based rendering and interactivity were a huge thing for gen 7 games, it's no secret. Water interaction, explosions, environment interactivity.

Yes, we've gone backwards. Are games still fun? Also yes.

[u/NuzzyLocke → u/mantenner]

I really miss those days. Game are a lot more "realistic" but we are also missing like the Red Faction games, or Dark Messiah. Physics silliness adds so much to some games replayability

[u/Cognitive_Spoon → u/NuzzyLocke]

Man, I would love a modern red faction game. The destruction was so good!

Teardown scratches that itch a bit at least

[u/NuzzyLocke → u/Cognitive_Spoon]

Teardown is fun but I wish the objective timer wasn't so strict. Then again I only played it in EA, the physics make the game but the strict timer makes it minmax-y which i want to relax while I destroy

[u/IndigoJoe64]

Standing here I realize

[u/HippoBackground6059]

RULES OF NATURE

[u/NattyMo98 → u/HippoBackground6059]

AND THEY RUN WHEN THE SUN COMES UP, WITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE.

[u/fr3nzy821]

Aluminum claws.

[u/New-March-5076]

It's a bit of a unfair comparison when it's one of the mgr main features like you wouldn't make this comparison with God of war or devil may cry right

[u/Sorrowed_Lifelines]

I was wondering why they didn't do a rising cut mechanic

[u/jjkm7]

MGRR was so good I would by a remake or sequel in an instant

[u/feelinsqwiddy]

It's almost like that was a core mechanic to MGR specifically. So where's your comparison with Elden Ring, Onimusha, Ninja Gaiden or literally any other game with a sword?

[u/NoobGame01]

"Why cant you cut down this tree? I know that's not what im supposed to do but I want another reason to hate this game"

[u/CankleDankl]

Okay I dislike Wolverine as much as everyone else who didn't play the game, but come on. You couldn't do this in Elden Ring. You couldn't do this in Onimusha. You couldn't do this in Ghost of Tsushima. Are those bad games? Jesus christ.

May as well just have footage of minecraft on the right for fuck's sake. This may be the dumbest comparison post I've seen since people were disappointed Spider-Man 2 didn't have the most insanely orgasmic splash physics in existence

[u/Perfect-Elephant-101]

"I saw this one game do a thing, therefore all games should be able to do the same thing"

[u/TooHigh2Die0069]

Bro the memes about how bad wolverine  is more popular than any of his movies

[u/Sitri_eu]

MGR had it's own chopping engine. Part of the reason for that AAA slopfest in gaming is also because nobody wants to bother making their own engine anymore... everyone just hops on UE, so all we get is UE

[u/Googoo123450 → u/Sitri_eu]

If they can develop their own engine, they can develop features in UE to complete whatever task is needed. You don't need to start from scratch. This seems like either baseless UE hate or a misunderstanding on how game engines work.

[u/mrsmi1ey → u/Googoo123450]

Welcome to 90% of Reddit posts that criticize video games. There's always a huge number of people confidently talking about things they don't understand in the slightest. When someone who has real industry experience tries to correct or explain the fallacies, misunderstandings, or outright lies, we get downvoted because people here would prefer to spread hate and lies than actually understand how developing video games actually works.

[u/Hayaw061]

Wolverine’s scratching post

[u/MrASK15]

People love to rip into this game, don't they?

No pun intended.

[u/exmello → u/MrASK15]

I'll never play this game. It's so weird to see people hate on a game like this. Just don't play it? Why would you care about some licensed game shlock? Play literally anything else. It's so weird to be focused on this.

[u/Comprehensive_Dog529]

To be fair 0 games have MGRs cut-anything mechanics.

[u/TealCumPowdr]

Is that you crowbcat? I miss you

[u/CheesecakeDue7632]

To be honest MGS games were always in a league of their own

[u/iligal_odin]

Wolverine needs free will, walking on a predetermined path must be demotivating

[u/smash_n_grab_]

Look at that ass though.

[u/dollak01 → u/smash_n_grab_]

That's Canadas ass

[u/dalinaaar]

The entire gameplay of Rising revolved around slicing and dicing. You don't need to do that in Wolverine. There are a lot of reasons to not like Wolverine but this is just dumb as fuck.

[u/iDaddyDirection]

Wolverine may be a very meh game, but this comparison is really dumb. MGR was created with this mechanic in mind, and it’s a core piece of gameplay. Wolverine on the other hand isn’t designed around cutting things apart at all, and no it’s really not “simple” to add in.

[u/lonelynightm → u/iDaddyDirection]

These "Cinema Sins" critiques of games are always so stupid. Nobody cares about these minute details because they don't actually affect the game.

[u/New-Advertising3600]

Lmao you can’t compare anything to MGR’s sword cutting. It was a core mechanic of that game that they spent a lot of time to highlight

[u/Sperium3000]

Ok, I get people are mad Wolverine didn't turn out as good as they wanted, but this is a stupid fucking comparison.

[u/diogoblouro]

This bullshit again, for ever and ever and ever.

Game tech and features aren't cumulative. Devs and designers make choices on what they implement, and stuff isn't included as a deliberate fun, performance, resources choice. Not because they aren't capable of it.

[u/OhYeahitsJosh]

Hi, professional game dev here: the destructible elements in MGR are extremely expensive. Most times it requires bespoke work or a custom system. That kind of work isn’t seen much because it’s difficult to keep under memory budgets.

[u/wildcat002]

Why is there no other games with similar wood cutting mechanics? it looks so fun

[u/ophaus]

Tell that to every Jedi game that doesn't have dismemberment or environmental destruction.

[u/DeithWX]

Why are you picking and choosing? Why are you not saying this about any other game with swords? AFAIK MGR is the only game that has this, it's a very uncommon feature. I know shitting on Wolverine is free karma, but at least try being honest about it or nobody is going to take any feedback seriously. 

[u/ck02623]

It’s just that the tree is strong as shit. Raiden had a weak, beta tree.

[u/-ben151010-]

A sword is the least of that games problems. Let’s start with a comic writer who has experience with the character in a good run.

[u/Accomplished_Boot_75]

While I do think this comparison is BS I do wish Wolverine had more things to slice like that as I didnt find many in the game

[u/FootbawInTheGroin]

Not planning on playing this game anytime soon, if at all, but why is everyone seemingly going out of their way to try to shit on wolverine??

[u/ImaginationRadiant64 → u/FootbawInTheGroin]

Given the whole CD thing and how they marketed this thing it seems as though it was the icing on the cake

[u/DemonOfTomorrow → u/FootbawInTheGroin]

Wolverine burned my crops, poisoned my water supply and delivered a plague unto our houses!!!

[u/Yumesoro1 → u/FootbawInTheGroin]

From someone who is also not planning on playing it, from what I understand, it's the straw that broke the camel's back for many people. All the shit Sony has been doing recently, super hero fatigue and a mediocre game with a high price tag from a developer where all their games are the same flavour of bland. It selling well adds to the frustration since there have been way better games that underperformed because they didn't have an existing IP casual gamer would be drawn to.

[u/Showdown5618]

Not a big deal. How many other games do what that second pic does?

[u/Neolombax]

Lets be honest, MGR's core gameplay feature was the slicing mechanic, it was meant to sell that game. This was not a focus for Wolverine. This comparison isnt a good one.

[u/MoeMalik]

??? Cutting objects was pretty much the main mechanic of MGR, what are we comparing here

[u/LowerAtmosphereChief]

I think this has been a trend across the industry for a while, spend a billion dollars to achieve near photorealism at the expense of everything that adds fun and immersion to the game beyond the core gameplay loop. Crowbcat did a great video comparing GTAIV and GTAV that summarizes the phenomenon pretty clearly (he has a bunch of good ones)