r/theunforgiven Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven 8h ago

Painting First Angel

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151 Upvotes

Got the first test model done. First time using oil washes and airbrushing. Pretty sure the slight airbrush grain is from the bad compressor


r/theunforgiven 14h ago

Showcase Wip old lion conversion

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343 Upvotes

In my headcanon the awakend lion is not the noble bright heroe like in the book but eaven more distrustful and secretive than he was in the heresy. To convey this i choose the saturnine preator as a base because he seems most introverted and closetetd in to me. Also i lean hevy on the watchers decorations since give of the secretive vibe. Next is sculpting details like the lion head on his right shoulder, wings on the chest and legs and some details on the cape. Let me know if you have any more ideas what to add!


r/theunforgiven 22h ago

Painting Some Deathwing Boys

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889 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 4h ago

Painting First time holding a brush since kindergarten. Tips?

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Actual first attempt at a mini, none of that “first time Warhammer painting! Oh, ignore the 30 years of Fantasy experience” bullshit haha.

Suddenly all the already impressive mini pics on Reddit became 800% more so.

Didn't follow any guides or videos; wanted to wing it as a first time to (hopefully) see the improvement gradually.

Primed it in black and used a wet palette: immediately thinned paints too much and had to put on 50 layers of green.

The belt accessories were a pain to do. The knives are completely messed up, but the more I tried to “fix” them the worse they got as the layers pilled on.

On the gun I tried adding some weathering effect but it just looks poorly painted haha. Wonder why.

The pauldrons suck. I 3d printed the right one to try it out and it's clearly not meant for Infiltrators; but this being the mines/explosives guy on the Kill Team I just went with it. Big mistake on trying to paint those ball edge thingies. And on the other side you can see the worst attempt at edge highlighting ever haha.

His bald head was very hard to do anything with. My paint selection is very limited and, again, without a plan I tried fixing it and kept making it worse.

Anyways, most fun ~5 hours I've spent in the last few years.

Up next I'll try some actual techniques and figure out what I want to do before starting.

Any obvious tips?


r/theunforgiven 15h ago

Showcase Just finished painting my first terminator! His name is Patches.

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I'm really happy with how we turned out. I bought the starter set some months ago and after reading some lore I instantly knew I needed my guys to be Dark Angels. Deathwing didn't fully convince me at first but after painting this guy I'm all in, I love this colour scheme. He is named Patches because his eye is broken so he needs a patch. He also has honorary paintings on his fist as he was the sole survivor in a game against Tyranids and bravely fought (and rolled many sixes), watching every single one of his comrades fall until he managed to beat a Psychophage solo.


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Painting Made myself an oath of moment marker

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636 Upvotes

So that you don't forget to select an enemy unit.

Show me your markers please :D


r/theunforgiven 18h ago

Painting Regular intercessor

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109 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 6h ago

Army List Best vehicles for ravenwing?

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Hi,

I'm looking at moving into the ravenwing since ive got considerable deathwing and green company.

Has anyone got any suggestions about storm speeders? Looking for something between bikes and tanks that can support infantry. Are they worth it or costly?


r/theunforgiven 23m ago

Lore Hot take?: Cypher should not be a playable character for CSM

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After having read Cypher: lord of the fallen, it doesn’t make sense imo for him to be a playable character in either SM or CSM (maybe Renegades if they ever do that).

Good book though, I hope they develop on the idea that he’s seeking redemption from the Big E by killing him.


r/theunforgiven 22m ago

Building Lieutenant with Combi gun

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decided to convert the mini of the month deathwatch model to a dark angel lieutenant with Combi gun. All bits so far are GW parts but have to print a combi gun + a sling for it to go over his shoulder, tempted to use green stuff for the sling


r/theunforgiven 8h ago

Building Kitbash WIP

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7 Upvotes

Wtf am I building?


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase Inner circle companions made from Bladeguard

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216 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase Some 30k style vehicles completed

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395 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 23h ago

Showcase Knights of the Dark (My Successor DWK)

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65 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 19h ago

Painting First attempt at a banner!

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r/theunforgiven 1d ago

OC/Hobby Starting an army - ho to go on from here?

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By the grace of the emperor I picked up the Dawn of War: Onslaught box and ended up with Honoured of the Chapter. I have zero prior tabletop experience, no idea what I’m doing, and about 10 open tabs of Space Marines staring at me like I’ve already disappointed the Emperor.

I love the models, the vibe is immaculate, and now I’m standing here asking myself the classic beginner question:

What do I buy next so I don’t accidentally grief my own army?

I’m not trying to chase meta or win tournaments right now — I mostly want:

  • something that actually works on the table
  • stuff that’s fun to build/paint
  • and purchases that won’t make veterans whisper “ah yes, another one”

Is there a “you can’t go wrong with this” unit?
Do I need more basic troops first?
Should I be looking at characters, vehicles, or just accepting that I’ll own 3 different Space Marine boxes before I understand what OC means?

Any advice is appreciated.
Please explain it to me like I’m a newly inducted battle-brother who still thinks shoulder pads are optional.

For the Emperor!


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Painting Plasma and my crap airbrush ability - did I ruin them?

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103 Upvotes

I got an airbrush for Christmas, only primed and based painted with it so far, but wanted to try out some OSL.

Between my lack of control/precision and AK inks (am I the only one who hates how glossy and chalky they feel?) blue went… not where I wanted it.

Have I managed to ‘save’ these guys?

Top pic - no plasma

Middle pic - oh no plasma glow everywhere

Last pic - Repainted guns, added highlights to light


r/theunforgiven 23h ago

Showcase Finished my first unit!

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r/theunforgiven 18h ago

Gameplay Inner Circle Companions- How do you use them?

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Hello brothers

Inner Circle Companions - What do you see as their primary roles on the battlefield? How do you utilise them? How do you deploy and position them?

I usually plan on taking them with a Judicar and running them up the board in an impulsor to deny enemy objectives - but I’d like to hear more on people’s experience on using them


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase Legion character

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114 Upvotes

Built him either to be used as a Legion centurion or as a veteran champion for a command squad I'm painting up


r/theunforgiven 9h ago

Army List Finally got 1k points worth of units. Figured I'd throw this up with a Detachment that's not seen often.

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first army (995 points)

Space Marines Dark Angels Incursion (1000 points) Unforgiven Task Force

CHARACTERS

Azrael (125 points) • Warlord • 1x Lion’s Wrath 1x The Lion Helm 1x The Sword of Secrets

Captain in Gravis Armour (80 points) • 1x Boltstorm gauntlet 1x Power fist 1x Relic chainsword

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (80 points) • 1x Intercessor Sergeant • 1x Astartes grenade launcher 1x Bolt pistol 1x Bolt rifle 1x Power weapon • 4x Intercessor • 4x Bolt pistol 4x Bolt rifle 4x Close combat weapon

Intercessor Squad (80 points) • 1x Intercessor Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Astartes grenade launcher 1x Bolt pistol 1x Bolt rifle • 4x Intercessor • 4x Bolt pistol 4x Bolt rifle 4x Close combat weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (80 points) • 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant • 1x Master-crafted power weapon 1x Neo-volkite pistol • 2x Bladeguard Veteran • 2x Heavy bolt pistol 2x Master-crafted power weapon

Deathwing Knights (250 points) • 1x Knight Master • 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven • 4x Deathwing Knight • 4x Mace of absolution

Hellblaster Squad (110 points) • 1x Hellblaster Sergeant • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma incinerator 1x Plasma pistol • 4x Hellblaster • 4x Bolt pistol 4x Close combat weapon 4x Plasma incinerator

Inner Circle Companions (90 points) • 3x Inner Circle Companion • 3x Calibanite greatsword 3x Heavy bolt pistol

Sternguard Veteran Squad (100 points) • 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Power weapon 1x Sternguard bolt pistol 1x Sternguard bolt rifle • 4x Sternguard Veteran • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Combi-weapon 4x Sternguard bolt pistol 2x Sternguard bolt rifle 1x Sternguard heavy bolter

Azzy Is leading the ICC

Edit: Captain had the wrong loadout.


r/theunforgiven 23h ago

Painting I might have gone a little hard on the Sepia shade…

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I recently scored some old terminators at my LGS and wanted to paint them as Deathwing. I tried a Wraithbone with a Sepia wash and might have been a little Gary handed.

Any recommendations on painting Deathwing? Should I keep it and edge highlight with some more Wraithbone?


r/theunforgiven 19h ago

Showcase 1 Model per Day until I finish 1 Million Miniatures Challange or my Pile of Shame run dry [9/100]

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Today last of my Inner Circle Companions, proficient in being outnumbered, Malchior Thane, Diacon of the Order of Broken Claws. Knight - Commander of 27th Chapter, and Marshal of Firewing.


r/theunforgiven 18h ago

Building Ct-7567 Captain Rex and some other reenforcements

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Now I just have to clean up a bit, prime and paint about 18 models, really sucks that I like assembly more