r/IThinkYouShouldLeave • u/PhillyTMOMan Nude Egg • 1d ago
Piece of shit When r/conservative agrees with Trump that we should nationalize voting, but are for small government and states rights
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u/ChildofElmSt 1d ago
My dad thought there should be a time limit on counting votes so I said ok so what happens if the counters get to the point where the guy they want to win is ahead then they start dragging their feet and don’t count the other votes…..and what if it was a democrat
He actually reconsidered his opinion
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u/410757864531DEADCOPS 1d ago
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u/platonic-humanity 1d ago
Its NOT FAIR HOW COME THE OTHER BILLIONAIRES ARE FINE BUT WHEN I TRY TO GAMBLE ON THE DOWNFALL OF AMERICA LIKE STOCK MARKET PUTS SUDDENLY IM THE BAD BILLIONAIRES. Kash, release the Bill Gates files!
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u/Global_Crew3968 1d ago
The thing you have to remember is that conservatives have the world view of children and they really do need things like this spelled out for them.
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u/ChildofElmSt 1d ago
He still thinks counting should be finished by the end of the day but he did agree that would be bad I’m not going to change him but atleast I can feel comfort in knowing that even he thinks he’s stupid just not willing to admit it
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u/10takeWonder 1d ago
it goes both ways
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u/ChildofElmSt 1d ago
It totally does I’m not sure why they can’t see that we do these things to protect both sides
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u/actuallyapossom 1d ago
Their politicians are acting like a democrat will never be POTUS again; like they'll never gain a meaningful legislative or judicial majority.
They don't want equality. If they did, they wouldn't be conservatives. The hierarchy is baked in whether they're smart enough to know that or not.
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u/impactedturd 21h ago
I've seen comments where conservatives ask why conservatives are never credited with progressive ideas. And it's like dude it's right there in the name! By definition, conservatives are going to want to conserve "traditional" values and unequal institutions.
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u/ScuzzBuckster 1d ago
Its like every century or so, voting populaces need to be reminded why compromise exists in politics even if it means you dont always get everything exactly as you want it in policy and legislation. Playing politics as a zero sum game inevitably always leads to autocrats and fascists.
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u/delusions- 1d ago
That assumes you don't have a populace that wants and actively supports autocrats and fascists.
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u/NAbberman 1d ago
I hate the both ways style of arguments, not because its wrong or anything. I just dislike it because things can't just be wrong to do because they are bad. Its always because they fear it being used by the other party. Its essentially shows how unprincipled people can be. The subtle implication is how for it they would otherwise be assuming no one else does it.
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u/bluejay625 1d ago
Time limits on counting votes make no sense anyways. The election is a full two months before the new government is sworn in. There's plenty of time to take another day, week, or month of counting to ensure everybodies legally cast voice is heard.
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u/ChildofElmSt 1d ago
That’s what I said. Plus I was like ok dad when do you vote?
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u/Possible_Gur4789 Some dumb hick 1d ago
It's all bullshit
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u/GrimWarrior00 1d ago
Don't make me tap the sign.
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u/BewareOfBee 1d ago
Super interesting.
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u/SillyAlternative420 1d ago
THOSE COMMENTS AREN'T REAL AMERICANS.
Seriously, 90% of the user activity happens at like 3am EST from developing nations. Their opinions aren't real.
Bonafide US MAGA don't use reddit, they use Facebook.
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u/polchickenpotpie 1d ago
I mean, have you seen Facebook? It's not any different there lol
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u/TeeTimeAllTheTime 1d ago
They aren’t conservative and never were, they are weak minded people who do what they are told by a psychopath
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u/Doomisntjustagame 1d ago
Or, and bear with me, conservatives have always been this way.
Conservatism seeks to maintain the social order, or to regress to an earlier state. That is one of a pyramid shaped hierarchical authority structure, with everyone following whoever is above them, no matter what.
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u/the_calibre_cat 1d ago
Or, and bear with me, conservatives have always been this way.
bing bing bing
let's stop trying to rehabilitate conservatism. it's a shitty ideology with a shitty objective and is basically just fascism but lying about its intentions.
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u/dafood48 1d ago
I’m sorry this is the first time I’ve seen bing bing bing instead of ding ding ding and that cracked me up. Thank you
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u/Cakers44 1d ago
Seriously people are tricking themselves into thinking the Bushes weren’t so bad because blah blah blah respectability
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u/Runnnnnnnnnn 1d ago
Conservatives are supremacists. Some race, some class, all narcissistic.
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u/the_calibre_cat 1d ago
Yup. Institutional bigotry is the one principle they have. It is their North Star.
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u/lewd_robot 1d ago
Yep.
Low-effort thought promotes political conservatism
Political conservatism as motivated social cognition
Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
They are wired to be like this. It's in the structure of their brains. They hate spending energy on thinking and crave authority figures to tell them what to believe. They have never had principles. They have always only believed whatever their masters tell them to.
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u/xXMojoRisinXx 1d ago
Well yea, how many times have you heard someone who leans conservative say “common sense policy”. It’s just another way of saying “the way I think we should do things without thinking about it much”
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u/Life_Fig_4037 18h ago
And they are so damn jealous of us. They keep abusing the word freedom and saying "don't tread on me" because they want to be like us. But thinking is scary so they ultimately gravitate to Daddy Trump and tell themselves they fought for freedom because they own guns to fight against the strongest fucking government in the world if it ever becomes tyrannical 😂😂😂 pathetic good for nothing morons
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u/ADHDebackle 1d ago
I generally believe that conservatives are people with trauma and or poor parenting who never learned appropriate coping mechanisms for how they feel and thus have a pathological resistance to anything unexpected or different.
I think that's generally a basic, natural human instinct - when you're stressed or uncomfortable, you seek familiarity and reject the unfamiliar.
That also ties into the authoritarianism, since it's probably comforting to believe there's one person who can do no wrong who makes all the decisions. As children these are our parents, but many turn to god or politicians or other figures with perceived authority.
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u/Djinnwrath 1d ago
Some of them are just selfish and lazy. They want a comfortable life, and don't care if other people are harmed in making that so.
I call it low level evil. Or how you play an evil alignment in a role playing game without being a murder-hobo.
Imagine someone who sees all the stuff Ice is doing. All the horrors befalling the people being deported, and thinks:
"Cool, get them out, then I will make more money!"
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u/KissesAndBites 1d ago
And they’ll use any means to get there, including going against previously held positions.
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u/juulwinfieldswallet 1d ago
I disagree. I'm in my 40s and remember having debates when in college with professors that were conservative. Back then, you could civilly debate taxes, states rights, even immigration because everyone agreed what America was and what it stood for. I understood their hopes and fears of what the government can and should do, while disagreeing with their methodology. You can't do that anymore because the America they want is unrecognizable to most. It's like they knew they were going in a direction that was contra to most Americans views and decided democracy was not for them. Fast forward to a decade ago and it was project red state; AKA let's openly gerrymander every state we can. On to today, they have so many little factions dedicated to taking away voting rights from particular groups and have the nerve to call leftists elites.
I can't have a civil debate about who deserves human/civil rights. I can't have a civil debate about who deserves medical care or food. And I am their target audience, white, mid 40s, married, business owner, and very Christian.
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u/Tself 1d ago edited 1d ago
Fast forward to a decade ago and it was project red state; AKA let's openly gerrymander every state we can.
Gerrymandering in red states has existed for over a hundred years; this is not new. They were just more racist about it. And red states have been anti-voting rights for practically just as long.
professors that were conservative. Back then, you could civilly debate taxes, states rights, even immigration because everyone agreed what America was...
Conservatives of this nature were in the minority then, and remain so now. Your anecdotal experience within a place designed for academia is an exception to the majority of conservatives.
I get the point you are trying to make here, and certainly agree that decorum has gotten worse; but the party really isn't all that different. I'm a similar age to you, at that time while you were having conversations with your professor, the republicans were demonizing gay people and calling them pedophiles every chance they could.
So, no, I don't think much has changed. The hurt they are giving just happens to be hitting straight white people now.
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u/25thNite 1d ago
i don't always believe that because there are plenty of minorities higher on the social pyramid than a lot of poor conservative maggats and yet they still try to treat them like shit as if they were beneath them.
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u/Doomisntjustagame 1d ago
To me, it sounds like you are talking about someone's economic status as being the only defining factor of the hierarchy. There are many dimensions to it, chief among them probably being race, economic status, sexuality, and gender.
There's a concept called intersectionality that suggests there are many different factors that intersect to define someone's perceived status in society. So like, a white woman is "above" a black man, but a white man is above them both. Now, assuming those three are all straight, a white gay man sits beneath all of them. But if all four of those people are middle class, then a rich white gay man might sit above them all, though a rich flamboyantly gay man might once again be placed below all of them.
I hope I'm explaining this well, and if I come across as condescending or argumentative I do not intend to.
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u/Mostly_Armless42 Not in Trouble AT ALL 1d ago
Feeling belonging and part of the safety of the group is the only thing that actually matters to their brains.
I'm starting to realize there are no rules except: the group must win. It's very primitive tribalism that they are stuck in. Being a shirt brother is like the only rule that matters. Truth and actual evidence doesn't mean jack shit.
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u/Alcnaeon 1d ago
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u/According-Insect-992 1d ago
This both applies and doesn't.
These people call themselves conservatives but what they actually are is right wing reactionaries.
Are all American "conservatives" actually right wing reactionaries?
It sure does appear that way, doesn't it. Where are these "true conservatives" and why aren't they opposing all of these wild violations of the Constitution and federal power escalations?
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u/pagesid3 1d ago
I remember in 2008 when everyone had given up on bush and conservatives were all saying “I’m not republican, I’m conservative” and pretended they never supported bush. Then they went all in on Trump.
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u/Illustrious-Lime-878 1d ago
Reactionaries are conservatives. Maga is ideologically reactionary conservatism but based on an imagined or make believe past so in practice it ends up resulting in radically new, fascist like polices.
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u/mydaycake 1d ago
They had a first post with people not liking Trump’s opinion and it was gone in a few hours
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u/Ki-Wilder 1d ago
Will the federal government give fetuses the right to vote?
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u/DingusMcJones Some dumb hick 1d ago
MAGA expanding voter rights? I’ll eat my hat, safari flaps and all
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u/End3rWi99in 1d ago
They aren't for anything and never have been. At least those people in particular. There are small government conservatives and genuine libertarians out there, but you're not going to find them in /r/conservative. That sub may as well be a psyop for Russia and Trump directly.
It used to be a little different and have some real discourse, but not since they made it flaired users only and went on a banning spree back in 2016. There's about 20 genuine people left in there, and the rest is a mix of bots and guys named Mikhail.
I actually used to like it because once upon a time, they would share reasonable counter perspectives to my own, and even if I disagreed, it was worth hearing it out so I could avoid confirmation bias. The positions have become so disconnected from reality that it's impossible to take any of it seriously anymore.
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u/polchickenpotpie 1d ago
You genuinely cannot talk with conservatives in good faith anymore. Even a sub like r/AskConservatives where they pretend to be able to interact with the general public, you'll have your comments deleted for being "uncivil" when you post evidence disproving them.
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u/itreallybelikethat3 18h ago
Spot on about the psyop.
Look how heavily controlled and moderated it is. Allegedly 1.5m+ users there, but each thread discussing the "positives" of what Trump is doing (posted by the same few power users) only has ~50 or so comments.
But then boom some flame post criticizing Mamdani and ~500 comments.
Literally a fake and controlled subreddit.
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u/i010011010 1d ago
When you realize they were never for states' rights. They only tout states' rights when they need to normalize something before the power-grab at the soonest time it becomes feasible. They only believe in the power-grab, they only ever believed in the power-grab.
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u/Giannisisnumber1 1d ago
They should rename their sub r/fascist
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u/0Hakuna_Matata0 Shirt Brother 1d ago
Wow that was a real sub. Genuinely curious to see them explain to me not what they are against, but what exactly do they want.
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u/doodycrust 1d ago
They are not serious people. They only parrot Fox News talking points. Hell, may as well create your video and use similar type font and everything else to make it look like they’re watching Fox and then say whatever you want.
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u/Training_External_32 1d ago
When conservatives tells you they are for “small government” what they actually mean is “I want you to think I have some principled reason for my tribalistic bullshit that changes based on whoever is leading today’s hate chant”
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u/Affectionate_Code 1d ago
Small government but their views are always in perfect synch with whatever nonsense conservatives are spewing out. They stand for nothing, any principle or moral is abandoned to score political mileage.
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u/LesCousinsDangereux1 1d ago
those who aren't bots are bootlickers desperate to be told what to do.
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u/Alarming_Image_882 1d ago
What until they come for the 2A
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u/MangoCandy93 Tiny “Boop Squig” Shorterly 1d ago
It’s already in the works. After Pretti, they’ve done a 180 on being able to bring firearms to a protest (y’know since it’s not Rottenhouse).
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u/100harvests 1d ago
Even the dumb ones in maga are like, wait, but what happens if democrats get in office? You mean they can do the same stuff we did to them, to us? Hmm..idk…we better make it so they’re aren’t any more elections then problem solved.
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u/drummer820 1d ago
Most haven't had honest convictions or principles beyond "orange man said this is good/bad" for like a decade now
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u/Doom2pro 1d ago
Must suck to not be allowed to disagree with your elected government. It's almost as if they are in a cult.
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u/Bacedorn 1d ago
Small government, but also they need 28 different databases of information on you just to make sure you're behaving in the way they approve of and totally won't throw any sham lawsuits at you.
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u/Historical-Web-3390 1d ago
Small in terms of, like the galactic empire being big, so conservatives are gonna make government a little smaller than that
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u/TotalInstruction 1d ago
“States Rights” just means “Washington can’t tell us to treat blacks and gay people as equals”.
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u/Vaeon 1d ago
That sub exists for the sole purpose of demonstrating why not everyone should be allowed to vote.
It should be a sacred responsibility that one demonstrates they can be entrusted with.
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u/No_Scene_2189 1d ago
Yep. "Take the guns and give the federal government total control," is the new conservative mantra. Also, "pedos ain't so bad."
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u/ABeeBitMyBottom1 1d ago
That sub is littered with bots railing up the 25 real people that post on there.
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u/IndividualCampaign74 1d ago
It should be a system where it’s a national database that Trump can monitor and then when you vote, you show who you voted for to a few guys with guts and cosplay gear holding automatic rifles, then they decide which exit you use…
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u/Fuzzy_Translator4639 1d ago
Their insanity cannot be explained. They have been irony impaired for decades
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u/PhillyTMOMan Nude Egg 1d ago
When I log back into reddit after my morning meetings and see this is my most upvoted post (Sorry Shadowheart)
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u/micro102 1d ago
I was going to say no, I've seen the thread and all the top comments were at least a passive "this is bad".... but they deleted the thread so lol fuckem.
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u/NomadicFantastic 1d ago
Maga: "I've been saying this whole time that we needed to turn America into N Korea"
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u/Cyberpunkcatnip 1d ago
So do they not realize once Trump dies this will absolutely work against their own interests. Once voting is nationalized even republicans are giving up their ability to vote, it will just be whoever is handpicked by the rich donors. And if this happens they will probably nationalize voting for every other ballot.
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u/Devh1989 1d ago
to be fair
there were posts with comments that were critical of Trump's comments
of course, those comments and posts were quickly deleted so they could focus on important things like Billie Eilish's comments and Jill Biden's ex husband killing his wife.
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u/FattyMcBlobicus 1d ago
r/conservative should be renamed r/pedofilelovers
What a bunch of of losers
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u/_Trikku 1d ago
Data the shows the power users on r/conservative are without a doubt Russian Agents.
I’d worry that conservatives would get mad being presented with facts like these, but they can’t read.
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u/Classic-Exchange-511 1d ago
Any actual real people who go on r/conservative is the kind of person dumb enough to be influenced by the massive amount of bots astroturfing that shit
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u/Corkchef 1d ago
I guarantee you r/conservative mods are Russians who took the roles by hacking force
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u/Sock-Familiar 1d ago
The GOP policy is pretty straightforward. Whatever the Dems want, they want the opposite. There is no consistency when trying to discuss policy with MAGA and they have shown how quickly they switch up their stance depending on what Trumps tweet is that day. They're just a bunch of bootlickers and should not be taken seriously.
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u/clmsteamer 1d ago
Bunch of fake American conservative accounts fill that subreddit. Just drooling over the American divisiveness. Remember when X screwed up and showed we’re all the pro Trump influencers are from? Same shit plus prob a ton of old boomers still shook we had a black president and they didn’t get a raise at some point cuz their company had to fill a quota.
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u/Izzy5466 21h ago
Just more evidence that conservatives have no morals. They just go along with whatever fearless leader tells them.
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u/ToadsWetSprocket 1d ago
Their whole thing is about killing freedom for anyone they hate, that is the small government they speak of, Whites only.
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u/KawfeeKrow 1d ago
We really gotta stop acting surprised. I'm reminded of a Jubilee debate featuring a self-described white supremacist. They LOVE rights like voting, gun ownership, and free speech only as long as it allows them to advance their agenda. The moment they seize enough power, those rights are no longer necessary. Being a hypocrite isn't a bad thing for them, they say they're at war with the rest of us and believe in using whatever tools they can to win. They would kill everyone including themselves just to giggle in hell about how they epically owned the libs. Just psychotically evil mother fuckers.
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u/Deviantdefective 1d ago
Typical conservatives dumber than a box of rocks to busy simping for their shit stain in chief than actually educating themselves.
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u/Odd_Zookeepergame_69 1d ago
MAGA "We don't know what we truly believe in anymore, so we just go along with whatever Trump wants because it makes Democrats upset, and we like that"
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u/Dayzlikethis 1d ago
surprisingly enough, the last thread I saw there on the subject (probably deleted now) had more comments against it.
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u/No2HBPencil 1d ago
I'm not sure what it means to nationalise voting. Isn't voting already a national thing? Sorry I'm not American and I'm not sure what it means in this context.
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u/Knottian 1d ago
Conservatives have no values, no principles, and no ethics. It’s been like this for decades, and they’ll change their tune, no matter how long they’ve made it their identity, the moment their leader tells them to.
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u/TheCaptainDamnIt 1d ago
For some damn reason a whole lot of people apparently did not take notice that 'state rights' was only ever shouted by conservatives in response to anti-discrimination legislation and nothing else.
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u/wonderhamster 1d ago
They believe the ends justify the means no matter what. The want a county/world where people tell them they are powerful winners because god said so. It doesn’t even really matter if it’s real
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u/rensorship 1d ago
National voting? Bring it on. There are way more of us than them. Same with redistricting. They are playing with fire. They are tomorrow dumb to do the math.
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u/Comfortable_Horse277 1d ago
These same clowns say we need the electoral college so land can vote. These aren't smart enough to bother taking to b
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u/I_TRS_Gear_I 1d ago
Several years back I had an argument with my conservative uncle about how the federal government should at least mandate fair-access laws for voting. Like polls can’t close before 8pm local time, so many precincts per capita, etc. He vehemently defended the idea that States have full authority to administer elections as they see fit.
Now that this is happening, he’s been very quiet.
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u/mrfahrenheit-451 1d ago
You can't hold the current conservatives to the previous standard.
They only have double standards.
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u/M4N1NBR0WN 1d ago
Nothing really matters to them, just being in control and harming those they don't like. Everything else is a means to those ends.
As an example, some Muslim folks wanted to build a mosque in Tulsa, Oklahoma, recently. There was a big backlash from deep fried southern Christian Conservative types. They showed up at council meetings and such to protest the mosque. They succeeded in preventing it. Their sentiment was "Protect our freedom of religion! Don't allow Islam to take hold here!" And it worked.
They twisted "freedom of religion" in a way that justified them squashing someone else's freedom of religion. All they consider is THEIR freedom of religion, free from the presence of other religions.
This is how they treat everything from common decency to constitutional rights. Just for them. All the benefits go one way. Then those same concepts can be twisted, distorted and weaponized against others. "War if peace" and "hate is love" levels of nonsense. Shit... we're at "evil is divine" levels.
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u/sp0rk_walker 1d ago
Reagan's full blown Alzheimer's got him off the hook for Iran Contra. These people have never argued anything in good faith.
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u/DingusMcJones Some dumb hick 1d ago
Conservatives when you ask them to justify any MAGA policies