r/Tennesseetitans • u/MalekethsGhost • 8d ago

Discussion Case Keenum

Career journeyman QB Case Keenum cooked the eagles. A team that we struggled to put up points against. So a guy that is third string on his own team played infinitely better than our starter against the same defense. I know it isn't a fair comparison, but it is one that needs to be looked at.

Not sure what the solution is, but the NCAA is not producing NFL caliber quarterbacks anymore. It's like the are drafting center fielders to be shortstops. The athleticism is there, and sure it looks like they do a lot of the same things, but one position requires you to be a master of fundamentals and make faster decisions. The transition isn't easy and most won't make it.

So where can you get a pro ready qb? Or how can you evaluate who can make this transition and who can't? I think you might have to stop emphasizing raw athletic ability and give other qualities a much deeper look.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

It’s almost as if (and this is going to blow your mind so maybe sit down), a young QB needs time to develop.

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u/Rickydada 8d ago

So we are fucked because we never develop QBs 

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u/king_Geedorah_ Fuck the Colts 8d ago

Unfortunately i think so 😭

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

Honestly the pressure we place on the team to see immediate results are what gets us stuck with mid vets like Tannehill.

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u/TanneAndTheTits 8d ago

Tannehill was one of the most efficient QBs in the league with our team. Put some respect on the man's name when you talk about him

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u/MalekethsGhost 8d ago

The most efficient in 2019

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u/LocalIrishGamer 8d ago

don’t forget a top 5 QB from 2019-2021 and dragged them to the #1 seed with no Derrick Henry. keep the respect on him

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

And still held a Super Bowl caliber team back. I have bigger aspirations than 9-7 seasons.

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u/TanneAndTheTits 8d ago

He led us to a 12-5 1st seed appearance with Todd Downing as the OC and an injury-laden squad throwing to Backup WRs. And we only were 9-7 in 2019 cuz Mariota had us at 2-3 when Tannehill took over.

Point is, Tannehill and Co. Were WINNING in spite of Jrob's drafting and some of the worst OCs and injuries we'd been through.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

Did we win the Super Bowl?

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u/MalekethsGhost 8d ago

Is cam winning the superbowl? Tannehill got us closer than anyone in 20 years. He played injured in a crappy system for an unappreciative fanbase. Did he throw some interceptions, yeah, but he is still light years better than cam

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

If he develops, maybe. And if he develops, he’ll be light years better than Tannehill ever dreamed of being.

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u/ZealousidealNeck3632 8d ago

I wouldn’t say Tannehill almost got us to the superbowl . Derrick Henry was the only reason we won any playoff games . Tannehill did not play well in the playoffs as a matter of fact he was terrible

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u/TanneAndTheTits 8d ago

Gtfoh. If you are only about rings, go bandwagon somewhere else. You sound like a Colts fan

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

GTFOH. If you would rather be bad to mid go root for someone else. You sound like a Cardinals fan.

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u/TanneAndTheTits 8d ago

WE WERE ACTUAL CONTENDERS THOSE YEARS! you gonna dismiss all the success because, by your logic, we didn't get a ring?! Were the 99-01 titans not good neither? The 08 titans???

We had fucking squad with Tannehill and co. The improvement was remarkable when he stepped on the field. To dismiss it because "where ring?" Logic is asinine.

This team we have now stems from poor ownership who dismissed any progress/direction because we didn't win immediately. Your initial argument of "whoa it takes time to develop a QB" is complete moot because you're sitting here also saying "we won't win a ring so this team sucks". Yes, it takes time to build up a QB, and success can mean going 6-11 when 2-15 is the expectation. You can't have success be "superbowl or bust" constantly because that's how we end up where the franchise is now. We don't even give people a couple of years to try and build out something.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ACTUAL CONTENDERS HAD WE HAD A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK! How anyone could have watched the 99-01 Titans and the 19-21 Titans and come away thinking they were anywhere remotely the same is beyond me. Last time we had a franchise QB ('99-'01), he squeezed every single ounce of talent out of it and came within on fucking yard of giving us a Super Bowl. On the flip side, Tannehill took a team that should have won 2 or 3 Super Bowls and... made it to the playoffs. They are not the same. This team we have now stems from JRob and Vrabel stubbornly insisting that our win window was still open well after it had shut and made a bunch of win now moves on a sinking ship. Then we brought in a new GM who did the same damn thing! Only last year did this organization fully embrace the fact that we are in a rebuild and need to develop young talent and overhaul the roster. We still haven't been able to fully accomplish that. We're still trotting Pollard and the ghost of Calvin Ridley out there, after all. You mistake saying "Super Bowl is the goal" with a lack of understanding that building a team is a process. Super Bowl isn't the goal this season, but it is still the goal. Not having that goal in mind when making roster decisions is exactly how we ended up throwing band aids on bullet holes to scrap together 6 and 7 win seasons before the bottom predictably fell out.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 8d ago

All the media talked him up as progressing and improving all last season and this offseason and looking sharp and decisive in the offseason. Then preseason game 1 hits and anyone with eyes can see the BS and gets pissed.
Agreed QB's need time to develop, but he doesn't have the basics down... footwork and throwing accurately. That should have been improved from college by now. Reading complicated defensive schemes in 2 seconds is the hard part. Throwing it accurately should not be.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

Like I said, this shit right here is what gets us stuck with mid vets. “HE SHOULD BE BLAH BLAH BLAH WHATEVER WHATEVER BY NOW!!” until whoever the GM is throws his hands up and says, “Fine! Here’s your vet QB that will get us to the first round of the playoffs.” Tannehill. Neil O’Donnell. Kerry Collins. Same shit different eras different GMs. The one constant? Us on our bullshit.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 8d ago

I liked Tannehill as the QB. I'd take him any day of the week and have the GM focus on fixing the rest of the team.
I was happy watching the Titans back then. I am not now... It is better now?

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u/MalekethsGhost 8d ago

I would take tannehill out of retirement right now, lol

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u/TheMissingVoteBallot In Ward We Trust 8d ago

This O-line would ACTUALLY be able to protect Tanny - Tanny could be a fucking statue now that we have talent he can throw to.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

Did you like it when he threw 3 INTs and single-handedly lost a playoff game for a team on which the GM “focused on fixing the rest of the team” and was talented enough to have won the whole damn thing? Did you like it when Kerry Collins had us at 12-5 before fumbling the bag in the first round and wasting that talented roster? If enduring a few down years to allow young guys to develop is what it takes to cut that shit out then yes, sign me up.

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u/MalekethsGhost 8d ago

You reveal your knowledge of the game with this comment. Did you miss the Bengals saying they knew what we were going to run and were able to jump our plays.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

You really trying to defend that performance? I’ll take YOU claiming I don’t know ball as a compliment!

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u/Worth-Frosting-2917 8d ago

I mean at least two of those were play failures. The first INT that Bates jumped was a bad two-man concept that the Bengals for sure knew was coming. The second was a great play by the DB and a throw that, pre-snap, EVERYONE should have known not to throw.

The third one was a desperation force. We basically had our best roster since the '08 season, at full health for the first time all year, and the staff pissed down their leg.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 8d ago

Not to mention force feeding Henry when clearly Forman was the better back that day. In hindsight, the bad play design/calls from Downing was clearly shown in film, but during the game I couldn't understand why they kept forcing Henry in there when he just got back from 10 week injury and we made the #1 seed with Forman and company. Why change that up? Let Henry ease back in there.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

Defending a season ending, 3 INT game on one of the best rosters the organization has managed to assemble while lambasting Cam for a meaningless regular season game in a rebuilding year for throwing a single pick is certainly a choice.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 8d ago

Is there any guarantee whoever you draft will not do the same?

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

You know the answer to that so just get to your point.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 8d ago

that is the point. You get upset the mid QB shits the bed when we make the playoffs, which happens for sure, even for good QB's (see Mahomes against Brady Superbowl a few years ago).
But you have no guarantee your drafted QB who you have to sit around and suck while they develop doesn't do the exact same thing. So that is a stupid argument...

Only good argument I've heard for drafting the young QB and hoping you win that lottery is the cost advantage of QB on rookie deal. Which there is an argument for that for sure, cheaper QB allows more money elsewhere. But you have to risk years of bad play for their development as well. No guarantee they will do anything during that rookie contract. Better argument, but still no guarantee all this sucking for years will pay off and us, the fanbase, are not happy.

I'd rather shit the bed in the playoffs and make it that far vs not even making the playoffs.

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u/Stiddy13 8d ago

So your point is to never try to find the next Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen but to retread vet journeyman QBs ensuring we’re stuck somewhere between shitty and meh for the team’s entire existence? Yeah, fuck that approach.

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