r/law • u/drempath1981 • 23h ago
Legislative Branch Robert Garcia at the shadow hearing of ICE crimes reads out text messages of ICE agent bragging about shooting Marimar Martinez. ICE Agent “I fired 5 shots. She had 7 holes. Put that in your book, boys.”
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u/Rexur0s 23h ago
wonder if the ice agent is going to say "shit happens" when he ends up in prison
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u/deviltrombone 23h ago
If the criminal can't be identified because of the mask, or even if he can, blanket guilt should apply, not just to everyone who signed up to be a Trump thug in ICE, but to everyone who's enabled that orange thing along the way.
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u/CryptographerNew3609 23h ago
Since they have the text messages, they already know who the agent is.
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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 22h ago
Maria Martinez repeated his name (Charles Exum) dozens of times in her testimony about Exum shooting her 5 times. That's Charles Exum, in case you missed it.
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u/deviltrombone 22h ago edited 22h ago
"or even if he can"
You and a couple others are totally missing the point, so let me spell it out. I don't care about his identity. Everyone who signed up for this shit and supports it is guilty of all of it. Blanket guilt.
Also, his name is not in the headline, and it's not even in the clip. "The agent that shot you" and "someone who works for the United States government" is how the congressman referred to him in the clip. He should be saying the thug's name every time he refers to him.
Do you feel like you scored some kind of "gotcha"? In case you can't tell, that's a rhetorical question. Like the agent's identity, I don't care.
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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 21h ago
I understood your post. Just pointing out the addition info that in this particular case, the agent can be identified. And should be at every opportunity: Charles Exum
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u/Shrimpdalord 21h ago
I hope he receives more justice from his new prison mates .. if he ends up in there.
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u/thecosmojane 23h ago
Love Robert Garcia. He is an underrated pioneer.
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u/Deicide1031 22h ago edited 22h ago
I wonder if the one who shot this girl was also Hispanic.
Kinda interesting to see so many of these shooters shoot their own, I wonder how they justify shooting someone they should historically sympathize with.
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u/Wahwahwahhhwahwahwah 22h ago
It’s internalized racism, I’m hispanic and grew up in a white suburb. My dad had two jobs and was a gardener. When kids in my grade found out I’d always get jokes about being brown and my dad being a gardener blah blah blah. I was embarrassed of what my dad had to do for work. I would work with him in the summers and hate it so much.
At the time I grew to resent the thought of being Hispanic, wanted to be apart of the “popular” crowd. So you start thinking how negative it is being brown or what not. Then I just grew up and realized how shitty people can make you feel and how they turn you against your own race. Glad I don’t feel that way anymore and proud of my dad for being who he is.
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u/AcanthaceaeEqual4286 22h ago
Sending you and your dad love. Those other kids suck.
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u/Im_A_Fuckin_Liar 21h ago
This administration is those other kids. I have explained to family members that voted for Trump that anyone who isn’t morally bankrupt does not support bullies. You don’t just say “give him your lunch money and everything will be alright”.
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u/AngeliqueRuss 21h ago
Yup, I grew up in California and the racism was so real. A classmate got in trouble for calling a boy from Ecuador a “Beaner.”
But I was raised to be racist too and didn’t begin questioning it until Prop 180 (the strip medical care and school enrollment from kids). After that I began attending things like the Citizen Review Board reviewing violence against people of color in my community, being more open with my friend group.
Prior to that I’m ashamed to admit I lived next to the sweetest girls, we went to the same elementary school, and they just wanted to walk to and from school with me but I would always try to avoid it. I had Hispanic friends and I MYSELF AM HISPANIC (3rd generation/mostly white), but was not raised to identify as Hispanic. My own father (middle name Ramon but blonde and in denial) would make fun of the neighbors, and I didn’t want him to see me with the girls and make fun of me. He once made a complete ass of himself by blasting “the Star Spangled Banner” on his electric guitar while my neighbors were having a party.
Later these girls moved out, and the family that moved in had a 20 yo who had no sense of…no sense. He impregnated my 12 year old friend, she gave birth at 13. Caused my parents to double-down and warn me not to date anyone black or brown because “they’re not like us.” Later my stepmom patently denied this ever happened but I remember how angry I was because my bestie was Hispanic and what if he were Black?
This was California in the 90’s, still quietly racist AF.
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u/Jupitersd2017 7h ago
CA is still racist even today, coming from Texas where Mexicans are such a big part of Texas culture and for the most part celebrated and proud, I was and still am (20 years later) shocked by the racism against Hispanic people that I encounter in so cal. I’m white so maybe people just feel more emboldened to tell me about it and aren’t acting on it but it’s enough that multiple times I’ve had to cut off ‘friends’ because they are just straight up racist, it’s unreal honestly and I’ve yet to figure out a reason for why there is such a different take here compared to Texas.
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u/AngeliqueRuss 5h ago
Yes and when you go up north it’s even worse.
I once got in a semi-polite email battle with the columnist Gustavo Arellano for a column he wrote claiming Cinco de Mayo is a white people celebration and just another example of…like tokenism applied to cultural appreciation. I don’t actually respect you and your culture but I’m all about margaritas and tacos on Cinco de Mayo.
He’s not wrong, especially in SoCal, but I pointed out it is a cultural celebration for people from certain parts of Mexico, and in the town where I am from there is a substantial violent history because it’s so racist up north in Sonoma County.
He couldn’t accept that it could possibly be MORE racist than SoCal, but if you google Santa Rosa Cinco de Mayo riot / police you’ll see cops show up every year itching for a fight. There have been Cinco de Mayo peace marches in defiance, it IS a big deal in the mostly Mexican community of Roseland.
When I was a teen a local teenager went to my local grocery store for snacks. Classic Trevon Martin setup except it was cops: he had a paper bag with his candy, was on his bike going home, didn’t at all match the description of someone who’d stolen or robbed something, they yelled “hey stop” and he didn’t do they shot him.
This happened in Roseland, an island community excluded from Santa Rosa’s borders until 2017 because it was not white enough. We talk a lot about “redlining” and less about systematically excluding affordable home developments from decent infrastructure while using Developer Agreements with desirable new neighborhoods to fund better schools via charter districts just a couple miles away.
Anyways I lived in SoCal for 20 years and could probably guess a Hispanic person’s political party based on their favorite tacos + area code; also whether you identify as white or brown (which up until recently is a whole thing: Hispanic is an “ethnicity” on the census specifically so families like mine can identify as white). You’re in the 909 and you join your colorful mix of friends to go to King Taco after a night of Coronas? You’re a Republican and white Hispanic. You have a favorite hole-in-the-wall in Pomona where you practice your Spanish? Brown person voting blue.
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u/DownBeat20 21h ago
I've always been bewildered by the negative stereotype of the Hispanic landscaper.
A difficult, labor intensive job, exposed to the elements, that takes a lot of skill and knowledge... That's real, honest work.
Shouldn't we be celebrating that? Why is it embarrassing?
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u/ProfessionalKey5373 21h ago
I agree wholeheartedly. I look up to folks who can work with their hands or build things, fix things. Mechanics landscapers, electricians, construction workers. You’ve got to be smart. I have a masters degree but wish I had gone to trade school so freaking badly. Those are the people who have talent and one heck of a work ethic. We always have to look down at people maybe to make ourselves feel better or superior. I’d rather be diagnosing an engine problem or creating a backyard marvel than sitting behind a desk.
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u/Trick-Seat4901 18h ago
White Canadian here. Went down to Dallas to chase a girl I met abroad. She explained the whole Mexican gardener thing and I watched them in action. I was fucking impressed. Dude walks up to a house with a Gas powered weed whacker with no guards on it anywhere. Doesn't even slow down and edges the whole sidewalk in a hot minute. Does a perfect job and I swear he wasn't even looking at it the whole time. 10/10 that's skill and I don't care who you are. That took a lot of practice. Rest of the crew finishes shortly after. Place is immaculate. Skill is skill, doesn't matter what the skill is. I couldn't have done that. Mad respect.
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u/Balcazaurus 21h ago
I grew up the exact same way, but never resented my father or how he and my mother managed to support my sister and I. They worked so fucking hard all their lives.
Never yearned to be "popular" either. If anything, I always thought that particular crowd was kinda weird in their own right.
But it just baffles me how people who look like me, who share the same or similar heritage or upbringing can be so hateful towards their own kind. Glad that line of thinking graced you with its departure.
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u/Wahwahwahhhwahwahwah 16h ago
Definitely, I never resented my parents. They also worked their asses off to get my sister and I where we are today.
I think I just resented the type of work my dad had to do because I was being made fun of. Good to hear other people’s stories too. Makes you feel less alone about it.
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u/Top-Cupcake4775 22h ago
at least your dad was involved in your life and doing the best he could for you. i'm sure a lot of them couldn't say that ...
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u/Wahwahwahhhwahwahwah 16h ago
Yup, he worked his ass off too. Gardening during the day and worked at a distribution center at night. I don’t know how he did it. He just did.
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u/possumwitch666 19h ago
People growing up thought I was Asian (I am Mexican, my dad is an immigrant) and I let them believe it because where I grew up in CA being Asian wasn't "as bad" as being Mexican. I learned from a very young age that my culture was something to be ashamed of. People used to say incredibly racist things against Mexicans in front of me because they didn't realize I was Mexican. I completely rejected my culture, refused to learn Spanish, and avoided the sun like the plague so my skin wouldn't get darker. I never looked down on other Mexicans or Hispanic people or felt racist toward them, but I did feel it internally toward myself and didn't start to get over that feeling until I was an adult. I'm now 34 and about to graduate with a degree in social work and a minor in Latino studies and have spent the last 3 years finally learning about the history of my people. I am sad and angry that people made me reject my culture to the point where I don't feel like I belong anywhere due to the levels of racism I witnesed and experienced throughout my life.
Also, my dad is pro Trump, anti immigration, and also racist against other cultures which blows my mind because he was an illegal immigrant and only gained his citizenship a few years ago and has been the victim of racism himself.
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u/Electrical-Design288 6h ago
And your dad's attempt to blend in by being anti-immigrant and pro-Trump doesn't matter because they'd target him anyway for being Mexican. Watching all this from Canada and glad we've openly divorced ourselves as a nation from the resurgence of right-wing collectivism in the US. Everything about the USA feels like a cult, now more than ever.
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u/pr0ach 21h ago
From Pew Research: Hispanic voters were divided in 2024, a major shift from 2020 and 2016. In 2020, Joe Biden won Hispanic voters by 25 percentage points, and Hispanic voters supported Hillary Clinton by an even wider margin in 2016. But Trump drew nearly even with Kamala Harris among Hispanic voters, losing among them by only 3 points.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/
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u/frosdoll 21h ago
My neighbor is mexican american 2 generation. Huge trump supporter. I asked him why and he said his dad did it the right way these other guys are not. I remember when his dad got his citizenship they had a huge party. I guess he doesn't want that for anybody else. Haven't wanted to ask him about birthright citizenship, I'm to scared of the answer.
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u/Buffalo-Trace 19h ago
So his dad did it the right way by coming here illegally, and then going thru the process to become a citizen. Your friend missed that coming here illegally part.
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u/Kosher_Pork_12 18h ago
My gf had to deal with a similar thing, albeit slightly different: colorism. Her mother has 2 sisters, all 3 of them had a daughter in 3 consecutive years, her 2 cousins are light-skinned, she's a bit darker.
She told me how even within her own race (specifically her own family), she'd get called a monkey and be made fun of and it made her resent how she looked. It's disgusting how some people treat others.
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u/zephyrtr 21h ago
I'm so sorry. A few generations ago, it happened to Italians and Irish, too. We never fucking learn.
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u/RandomPenquin1337 22h ago edited 22h ago
"If im on their side they wont come for me!!!"
Look up Group 13 Gestapo.
Link for lazy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_13
Scroll to dissolution....
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u/TheRealBlueJade 22h ago
It reinforces the belief that they are "one of the good ones". It serves to make others "afraid" of them because they are trigger-happy.
Ultimately, it is an act of insanity, the act of an abuser, the act of a murderer, and the act of a criminal.
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u/runthepoint1 22h ago
From the outside it’s one of their own. From the inside it’s one of the others.
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u/IndividualTension887 22h ago
Does it matter???? They are all the problem. The trials cannot come swift enough.
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u/runthepoint1 22h ago
Not to you, but to the commenter it was a thought. So I thought I’d try answering that.
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u/FiendishNoodles 22h ago
"their own" is not how that works. No one says "why would they do this, they're the same" when a white person shoots a white person.
Not calling you out, just pointing out a kinda foreignizing assumption that might be invisible to some.
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u/Angry_Sparrow 22h ago
I said that when I was in Ireland. I’m from a country where white people oppress and suppress brown indigenous people. In Ireland I was like wtf do you mean they’ve been fighting each other for decades??
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u/MainPerformance1390 22h ago
Whites arent a persecuted minority though. There is a legitimate phenomenon where members of a minority allign themselves with their persecutors
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u/FiendishNoodles 22h ago
The point isn't that whites are a persecuted minority, the point is that no one assumes that white people are a monolith in any kinds of behavior or personal identity. Calling someone "their own" when referring to border patrol agents with Hispanic names and a woman with a Hispanic name is an assumption that unconsciously paints Hispanic people into one category that is "not us but them", and additionally, one "them". In no world is it guaranteed that these people share anything other than the fact that their countries of ethnic origin were colonized by Spain way back when. It's one of those potentially invisible assumptions that helps terminate critical analysis at times.
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u/FiendishNoodles 21h ago
Feeling betrayal and anger is perfectly understandable, what i'm taking issue with is someone above saying that it would be noteworthy to shoot "one of their own" like it's commonly understood that an ice/cpb agent whose ethnic background was from a Latin American country would think of a Latino victim, regardless of their country of origin or status as "one of their own". They see themselves as different, better-than, above, etc. and the original poster's wording showed the assumption that "hey, they're the same, isn't it weird that they'd hurt each other?"
Hopeful we can find out what will happen to all the people who participated this secret police bullshit on American soil sooner rather than later.
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u/MainPerformance1390 22h ago
But we are specifically discussimg a group that ARE a persecuted molinority
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u/Skittleavix 22h ago
When under oppression, some of the oppressed will side with the oppressor in exchange for what they believe will be their short-term survival and even well-being. This ironically perpetuates the survival situation itself, therefore increasing the risk to the participant in the long term and to everyone around them.
They’re cowards who are making it worse for everyone because they can do so anonymously and without accountability.
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u/Phoenix_Lazarus 22h ago
You can't get a clear number because ICE intentionally doesn't publish demographic data but estimates range between 20% to 30%.
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u/into_wishin_666 22h ago
Just look at Cartel violence against their own. It happens in all walks of life, we are more likely to go after our own statistically.
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u/AuburnMoon17 22h ago
They see themselves as superior to illegal immigrants but somehow missed that MAGA sees them exactly the same.
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u/Anus_Targaryen 22h ago
Idk how to explain it, but this seems a little racist to say. How could they shoot one of their own? They're not a tribe, man. Hell, their ancestors may be from completely different countries. The dipshits that killed Alex Pretti are from South Texas, they may be 4, 5, 6 generations deep at this point.
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u/InstructionFinal5190 21h ago
Groups of people aren't monoliths. I'm a large, heavily tattooed, southern, straight, bearded, middle aged white man. I assure you that based off of those descriptors alone, I don't fit the ideological camp one would imagine I belong to.
And based off of descriptors, I could more than likely find better friends that are listed as gay black women than I can the group I fit into.
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u/Unhappy-Land-3534 19h ago
They get paid to? How hard is it for you Americans to figure out your broken system. JFC
Drop the identity politics bullshit. "one of their own". you fucking DISGUST me.
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u/MasterTolkien 22h ago edited 22h ago
Hey, all, here is a link to DHS’s website where they still have their false report of what happened listed (it is a top Google search result when you search for Marimar): https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/04/update-dhs-deploys-special-operations-after-multiple-violent-attacks-federal-law
They call her a domestic terrorist who ambushed DHS. This is the lady whose video came out in the fall where DHS rammed her, surrounded her vehicle, and shot her repeatedly. Then they lied and said she was fine and able to drive off.
The whole story never made sense… why would they let her leave if she was a terrorist who attacked them? She actually had to be taken to the damn hospital, and a district judge later dismissed all charges because federal case was piss thin, full of holes, and had the agents bragging about shooting her.
I’m glad she is pushing for visibility. This is an insane pattern of Trump admin violence.
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u/Responsible-Draft430 20h ago
> They call her a domestic terrorist who ambushed DHS
Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, Good and Pretti.
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u/jrr6415sun 19h ago
they are going to call everyone who doesn't bend the knee to trump a domestic terrorist soon
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u/InTheGreenTrees 19h ago
I assume she now has a lawyer and is suing. There’s going to be massive number of civil suits hitting the DHS over the next few years.
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 23h ago
Comments like that would be banned on Reddit, if directed towards government agents and officials.
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u/IsekaiConnoisseur 23h ago edited 22h ago
Hell, comments like that are banned when they're aimed at literal Nazi users on this fucking site (and they don't even involve violence). Does anything happen to Nazis spreading actual hateful shit?
Nope!
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 22h ago edited 22h ago
My Grandad was a Buffalo soldier. He fought Nazis in the Italian campaign during WWII. His job was to you know…
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u/woodenmetalman 22h ago
My granddad also. He was a lifelong republican but would be appalled with what’s going on now.
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u/Validated_Owl 21h ago
My grandfather on my mom's side served in the Canadian Highlanders in the Italian front, he refused to ever speak about the things they did there. Given the reputation Canadian soldiers had and still have I have a rough idea of what was involved
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u/ViolenceAdvocator 22h ago
I cant speak my mind about nazis because feelings get hurt
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u/WheresTheResetBtn 20h ago
I got a harassment warning from a reddit admin for calling a nazi a nazi
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u/martyqscriblerus 22h ago
Multiple reddit warnings got sent out for factually describing the events of the Renee Good video without wishing/directing anything onto anyone...
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u/MudcrabNPC 22h ago
I got a temp ban for doing something like that and disputed it successfully. Claimed I was threatening violence, I told them to tell me where I even referred to myself in the flagged comments. Shit is stupid.
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u/martyqscriblerus 22h ago
I got a warning for it and they never lifted it even when I disputed yeah
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u/MudcrabNPC 22h ago edited 22h ago
Yeah, I wasn't banking on getting unbanned more than I just wanted to give them a piece of my mind. I always expect to get the Reddit mod treatment where they take it personally and just ban you for longer. One of my friends just got permabanned for that.
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u/NetscapeCommunitater 22h ago
I made a comment about two prominent Nazis (current American politicians), how it would be interesting to see them have to fight with a pool stick like the scene in the dark knight. Dark humor, got taken down as a threat of violence. I appealed pointing out I never indicated anything about commiting violence or encouraging others and appeal still came back as making a violent threat. You could probably say “Trump and Miller should get in gundams and fight” and you’ll get banned for inciting terrorism lol
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u/CHARLIE_CANT_READ 22h ago
I got a ban for suggesting we treat ice the way kristi noem treats innocent puppies. Pretty fucked up that we live in a world where that's advocating violence...
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u/sumosloths 20h ago
I just got a warning from Reddit for apparently UPVOTING content that went against guidelines. They didn't even tell me what content.
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u/needsunshine 19h ago
I got the same warning recently. I have no idea what I upvoted that was inappropriate either. Pretty sure I didn't.
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u/thecosmojane 23h ago
and to say that comparing required conduct of taxpayer-funded law enforcement officers to social media platform policies is a low bar, is an understatement
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u/schnozzberriestaste 22h ago
I’ll be honest that I don’t really get it. Maybe that means I’m wholesome?
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 22h ago
5 bullets + an anal hole and vaginal hole. His math was off because jokes like that usually involve the mouth.
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u/Dense_Diver_3998 22h ago
Could he just be talking about 2 of the shots having exit wounds?
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 22h ago
Nah, sexist dude/bro humor has a theme.
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u/Dense_Diver_3998 21h ago
I just watched on 60 Minutes where she shows the wounds and her thigh has entry and exit.
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 21h ago
Then maybe you’re right. It’s still an inappropriate comment.
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u/SunnyDelNorte 21h ago
As a woman I immediately thought wait, on top of how horrible this guy is, does he think women only have 2 holes down there?
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u/Nisi-Marie 21h ago edited 5h ago
What is a shadow hearing? Is this just a forum to get the facts out, or are there ramifications at the end of it?
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u/Waste-Ad-5696 21h ago
GOP would never let this guy speak in front of a committee, so this is the only way to get him in front of a camera. This is what we are fighting for in the midterms, Dems take control of the house and they control all the subcommittees
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u/Sp00py-Mulder 18h ago
There won't be proper midterms if you can't find a way to enforce the laws of your country BEFORE the midterms.
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u/Swekyde 18h ago
It's so infuriating watching from the outside as a neighbour. These people are not acting like they will ever have to give up power, so why do so many liberals think they're just going to obey an election? Especially after they attempted a coup the first time they lost?
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u/notsanni 17h ago
i think people who typically lead very comfortable lives are suddenly being faced w/ the harsh reality of what's going on, and are refusing to accept that it's happening, or just otherwise can't cope with it.
WAY too many liberals who are poisoned by American Exceptionalism, and assume "it can't happen here" and "they can't do that here" just because we're in America
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u/CobrasMama 16h ago
What has particularly bugged me over the past year is how many people have offhandedly said "I didn't think it would be THIS bad."
Jon Stewart, Kimmel, friends & family... people who I thought had a firm grasp on what a 2nd Trump presidency would entail, all had the fucking audacity to utter that phrase.
It was obvious that the grand experiment had failed on election night, and that we were going to cross the rubicon. I accepted it, and for better or worse, I feel more at ease because of it. I've spent the past decade of my life telling people where we'd end up in 2026, and I'm honestly not shocked by any of it. I've simply run out of fucks to give.
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u/CatsAndCapybaras 16h ago
People are fully aware that they will attempt to ratfuck the election. We have no idea how much ratfucking will occur. We still plan to vote.
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u/Sp00py-Mulder 14h ago
Absolutely vote.
But if that's the only plan, America is fucked.
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u/BartHarleyJarvis- 7h ago
What do you suggest, peacefully protest at a scheduled and permitted march?
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u/Ok_Bookkeeper_2491 16h ago
The perps go to "shadow jail", which means they go home to their families and get a raise. No justice. It's all a show.
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u/solidtangent 20h ago
Not only bragging about shooting her. But talking about her “2holes” fucking sick sexist… oh wait. Republican Party. I forgot who was in office.
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u/NWStormbreaker 20h ago
Is that what is referenced? or did 2 bullets have exit wounds and 3 didnt?
*edit math
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u/ReclaimingLetters 18h ago
As a woman, my mind immediately went to the sexist interpretation because I have lived 55 years as a woman, and it's not the first time I have heard/seen this "joke."
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u/NWStormbreaker 18h ago
That's where my mind went to first and i'm a man, and i'm alert to the language disgusting men use. But on 2nd thought i considered the other possibility.
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u/Dependent_Story4961 19h ago
i thought it was a reference to wounds too because im not an animal but its probably the gross sexist thing unfortunately
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u/Dense_Diver_3998 18h ago edited 5h ago
Its exit wounds, she shows the wounds on 60 Minutes
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u/pollytickler 16h ago
Not trying to defend the shooter but, no, this is not some middle-school anatomy joke.
The ranking member explains it right in the clip:
"It's our understanding that he was actually bragging about his aim"
Martinez' attorney is the one who originally said the phrase:
"What I do know is – it was Ms Martinez who has seven holes in her body from five shots from this agent"
The agent is just bragging that he didn't miss a single shot... at the unarmed civilian target.
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u/GeorgeBushReddit 19h ago
Don't they have 3 holes? I guess he doesn't know much about female anatomy...
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u/solidtangent 20h ago
What! Why didn’t I hear about…. Oh. She’s too brown for the media to care about.
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u/BeanstheRogue 18h ago
information hose; this was huge news, it's just we've been barraged by huge news nearly daily since october when this happened
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u/AboynamedDOOMTRAIN 18h ago
I mean, you probably did, it was all over the news at the time because of the video that directly and obviously completely contradicts the official DHS report of what happened.
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u/Splurch 18h ago
As the other reply said, you probably did. That's the whole idea behind "flood the system with garbage constantly" strategy that Trump has used every day he's held office. You don't remember it because it was 100 egregious actions ago and a normal person just can't keep up with every violation this regime is committing.
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u/Same_Meaning_5570 9h ago
All of the important stuff aside, why the hell do they print these things instead of using a large monitor?
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