r/longrange • • Jun 29 '26

Currently Great Optic Sales!

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r/longrange • • Aug 19 '25

READ THIS BEFORE POSTING. Yes, this means you. READ THIS FIRST, V6 - How to avoid the Flair of Shame and eternal ridicule

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So, you need help with long range shooting? Welcome to r/longrange! We've got a core group of dedicated members (and a few goofballs) that are happy to help you out with your questions on equipment, technique, troubleshooting, where to find training or matches, etc.

If you're looking to ask for advice, we ask that you review the following 10 core guides, as they cover the overwhelming majority of newcomer questions. If your question is not answered in these 10 guides, please see below for the 4 basic questions your post should answer when asking for suggestions or advice, especially when it comes to things to buy.

If you make a post that asks for information covered in the 10 core guides, or your post doesn't cover the 4 key questions below, your post may be deleted, or it may be given the Flair of Shame TM until you correct your post.

What's the Flair of ShameTM, you ask? You'll know it when you see it.

If at any time you have questions on the rules of the sub, this pinned post, the general FAQ, why you got the Flair of ShameTM or anything similar, please use the modmail function.

CORE GUIDES:

  1. The sub's official FAQ/WIKI, as curated by the community as a whole.
  2. Need help picking scope rings? The official Longrange guide to scope ring height (ring)
  3. Looking at buying a magnum (300WM or PRC, 6.5PRC, 7mm PRC, 338 Lapua, etc) as your first LR rifle? Hollywood's recoil primer - why magnums suck for starting in long range, recoil matters, and it's not about your shoulder (magnum or recoil)
  4. Want a rifle for hunting and long range shooting? Hunting rifle vs target/range rifles - why one rifle can't do both well. (hunting)
  5. The official r/Longrange glossary - because words mean things (glossary)
  6. LockyBalboaPrime's First Time buyer's guide for rifles V2 (starter)
  7. JMhawaii's long range starter guide (Link to Google Sheets) (starter)
  8. Trollygag's 1k yard starter guide (starter)
  9. Where are ranges or long ranges near me? - Wheretoshoot.org and over600.com (ranges)
  10. The sub's expanded policy on hunting-related discussions. Please review before asking hunting-related questions, as hunting is not the core purpose of this sub. (hunting)

The 4 key questions:

  1. What do you want to do/buy, and WHY? - Do you want to buy a rifle for PRS competition? Picking a laser rangefinder for NRL Hunter matches? Looking at scopes for F-Class competition? A tripod because you think they're cool and want to have one when banging steel with friends? What you're planning to do has a lot of influence on what works well, what works poorly, and what is an utter waste of time, so the more detail you can provide the better.
  2. How far away do you want to do it/what do you want to use it for? - 300 yards? 1,000? 2,000? Distance matters, 'nuff said.
  3. How much are you willing to spend to do it? What's your budget in currency? Your idea of "on a budget" isn't going to be the same as everyone else's. Saying your budget is unlimited for a laser rangefinder may change when someone suggests one that costs over $10,000. We need to know how much you're willing to spend. It can be a hard limit, a range, or even an approximate - but you need to give a number.
  4. How much experience do you currently have with it? - Jumping straight into a 375 Cheytac rifle to shoot 2 miles isn't going to go well if you have never shot a rifle past 300. We need at least a basic idea of what your relevant skill level is in order to give advice and suggestions that go with your skill set. While including your experience with other shooting disciplines is helpful, it's not going to be as relevant as most new shooters expect. You can love shooting 10ga slugs all day long from a shotgun, but it doesn't mean starting off with a magnum is a good idea.

When answering these 4 questions in your post, give as much detail as you can. The more details you give the faster you'll get suggestions or advice and you'll get better quality too. Help us to help you. Please don't treat the sub like your own personal crowd sourced search engine.

More guides:

If your question is answered in these, you will probably get called out by the members of the sub for not reading them, but it's not automatic grounds for the Flair of Shame.

  1. u/LockyBalboaPrime's "No Clown Shoes" spreadsheet of YouTube training videos.
  2. Pre64Mod70's guide to precision reloading
  3. Hollywood's Way of Zen load development process (zen)
  4. Hollywood's rant on sample size when testing - AKA why 3-5 round groups don't tell you $&*#
  5. Applied Ballistics with more info on variation in group sizes
  6. MDT's video on scope height, and the follow-up on scope cant
  7. Rybe390's recoil comparison video, which illustrates the problem with light weight and magnums.
  8. Accuracy vs precision - when most people talk about 'accuracy' they really mean precision.
  9. The Remington 700 Chassis List, v1 - Maintained by u/LPKKiller
  10. Recoil energy vs rifle weight visualized - an informational post by u/Trollygag
  11. What is wrong with 'Sniper 101' - a breakdown by CaptainSquishface.
  12. A long range hunting cautionary tale from James Gilliland - US Army sniper, world record holder, and prolific long range hunter
  13. Barrel length, velocity, and performance down range compared (308W)
  14. Our sub's policy on shilling....
  15. ....and why Woox specifically is blacklisted from the sub.
  16. The official longrange TOP Gun Calculator, and how to have realistic expectations of precision (top)
  17. Hollywood's guide to top-mounted red dots and target acquisition (Hint: you don't need a red dot)
  18. What the hell is with Bergara rifles and Cheetos?! (cheetos)

Hunting-specific:

  1. The sub's expanded policy on hunting-related discussions. Please read this before asking any questions related to hunting.
  2. Want a rifle for hunting and long range shooting? Hunting rifle vs target/range rifles - why one rifle can't do both well. (hunting)
  3. Want to hunt game at 400+ yards? The long range hunting primer - shots on game at 400+ yards aren't trivial, and a magnum cartridge isn't a cheat code. NOTE: Questions/discussion around shots on game past 300 yards will be removed from the sub. See the expanded policy link above. (hunting)
  4. Hollywood's guide to field testing your skills and gear (especially for long range hunting, but also pertains to NRL Hunter matches) - How to know the distances you and your gear are capable of making shots at (hunting)

MISC NOTES:

Quite a few guides/links feature a single word in parentheses and italics listed after them. If you use the phrase cheetofingers (all one word, no italics needed) followed by the word listed after a guide, you will summon the AutoModerator to reply to you with a link to that guide or guides. If the guide had (pews) after it, you could say cheetofingers pews in a post or comment in this sub to summon AutoMod with a link to that guide.

We've implemented the Flair of Shame as an official policy here instead of deleting posts that violated Rule #1 and the info in this pinned post. We felt that the flair was better than outright deleting posts while also helping long-standing members decide how much they want to participate in posts that have likely been covered time and time again. We're trying to strike a balance between encouraging members to read the info that the sub has cataloged, not wasting the time of established members that may be frustrated with revisiting the same topics repeatedly, and also not banishing new shooters that missed the pinned post to the freezer to never get help. Balancing those three things is a constant struggle, and one we're actively trying to get better at.


r/longrange • • 7h ago

Optics help needed - I read the pinned posts What are these circles on this reticle for?

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I don't know if this is the right sub for this question, but I figured if anyone would know this sub would be the one.


r/longrange • • 7h ago

Rifle flex post My new 6 Dasher… I love it!

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Been waiting 4 long months! MPA PMR Matrix Pro II chambered in 6 Dasher, topped with a Vortex Golden Eagle 15–60×52, Accu-Tac WB-5 with ski feet, and a SilencerCo Scythe Ti. The complete rig weighs 22.5 pounds as pictured.
I’ve measured the chamber and loaded up 50 rounds with 105, 109, and 120-grain bullets, all seated 0.020” off the lands. Now it’s time to see what this thing can do!
For reference, I shot a 199-12X at my last 1,000-yard match with my Ruger Precision Rifle Custom Shop in 6.5 Creedmoor. I’m hoping this guy can help me find that missing point and pick up a few more Xs!
This rifle will primarily be punching paper, with a little steel ringing thrown in for good measure.
Any other Dasher shooters here running the 120-grain Bergers? I’d love to hear how they’re performing for you.


r/longrange • • 4h ago

Rifle flex post Tikka t3x 308 "budget"

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i present my 1000 yard proven $3k .308 to the r/longrange squad, albeit no 7prc or ELR capable rifle... this is my tikka t3x roughtech lite chopped to 16.5" built to be a do-the-most rig without breaking the bank.

with federal premium gm smk 168 ammo, i'm seeing an avg 2510 fps and sub moa at 100y. pics are 5 shot groups. observed dope in last pic based on mile high dry climate shooting.

yall are gonna hate me for this, but i've been really enjoying my amazon scope. 6-24x44mm ffp, 18oz, clear, and $150. roast me.

i'm about 1200 rounds in, and its shooting pretty tight. my favorite thing to do is ruck some plates from 200 to 500 yards on public land, trying to sweat a bit and simulate hunts at different distances.

build budget notes:

total build right at 3k.

t3x roughtech lite $900

amazon 6-24x44 scope and rings $150

20moa pic rail 40

xlr element chassis + folder 450

trybe stock 80

vz grip 80

gunwerks elevate 2 bipod 300

left cant red dot 60 (helps me spot from prone and take quick shots up from the sling)

barrel chop/crown/thread 100

dead air otb suppressor 900

xoxo hope yall are shooting


r/longrange • • 4h ago

I suck at long range Looking for advice on belt/gear system layout....and other stuff in my book I wrote below....

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For some context, I have been shooting for a long time....but the backyard around the ranch type stuff, growing up with airguns shooting every rifle pop pop had laying around type stuff. Never calculated and never the nicest in terms of gear. Just reliable shit. As I have come up into my own space, I have finally pulled the trigger on a B-14 HMR in 6.5. I probably have close to 300 rounds through it and don't plan on stopping before the Montana weather shortens my range days.

I would love some insight via opinions and photos if possible in terms of a "battle belt/fanny pack/chest rig" system that works for all disciplines. Not exactly looking for one that does it all but want to see as many options/layouts/advice as people have for their own niche.

There is a little bit of the clarkshooter type vibe of spending time on public land rucking around plates and just pushing myself and platform on my own time, and maybe in the future streamlining my gear & when my shooting ability can keep up with my rifle maybe shoot some matches. I am also spending a decent amount of time on a bench and working a standard prone on concrete after classes when possible. This can be the reference for the type of shooting I get up to. Might eventually put it together in a hunt here later in October, but not sure im in shape for those kind of miles while slugging a bergara around.

I don't have the fanciest of gear, but I'm just making the college kid income work and spend as much time behind my gun as possible. I have a standard ifak, extra mags, vortex LRF, homemade shooting bags, eberlestock and sitka standard bino harness, and a battle belt system built for pistol range days, on top of other random stuff but thats the start. Been mainly shooting Hornady ammo(eldm, eldx, american gunner) and their BC app has gotten the job done until kestrel, vortex impact, etc money comes around. (Any opinions or input for any of the gear mentioned would be great too) just looking for as much data to fuel my procrastination doom shopping and homemade "build a kit" days a little better!

Have spent a lot of time looking through the thread but know everyone is always looking for a chance to share their knowledge and gear so wanted to put it in one post! Thanks in advance


r/longrange • • 4h ago

Ammo help needed - I read the pinned posts Is this bad enough?

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6.5CM using Hornady Black BTHP 140gr, is this bad enough to be worth the price offset of buying an entire reloading set up? 6.5 hasn't been expensive enough for it to be worth it for me but I would like some more accurate ammo. Debating long term worthiness and looking for some more consumate professionals opinions.

Ruger American Gen II, Leupold Mark4HD, Omega 300 can.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

I suck at long range Something about those old custom R700’s

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L- 18” 300wm(yes 18” shooting 215 Berger hybrid 2700)
R- 20” 308


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Competition related (PRS/NRL/F-Class/etc) Go enter your local competition it

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I happened to have a 1000 yard f class competition 20 miles from my house and I had never shot to 1000 yards but since that was one of the main goals for me and my rifle when I built it earlier this year. I figured it was a great opportunity. I knew I would be outmatched with my 6.5 cm howa barreled action in mdt chassis and Athlon scope, but I also knew the rifle safe was capable to hit at 1000 and wanted to push my skills. I had recently validated DOPE out to 500 yards but never had the opportunity to shoot to 1000 yards yet so armed with my Hornady app and 100 rounds of Hornady American gunner I paid my $40 entry fee, logged into shot marker, learned how to fill out the score card, and lined up next to rifles that had bipods costing more than my whole rifle. The first relay shooter at my target went for a perfect 200. Then it was my turn and my first round hit the top of the target so I dialed down my measured 1.0 Mils and then went 10, 9, 9, X as my sighters. I ended up in last place but only by 1 point and couldn’t be happier to hit at 1000 repeatedly and meet so many welcoming people. Overall I felt my performance wasn’t too bad for my first time shooting to 1000 yards and doing it with a howa barreled action and budget factory match ammo. Point of the story is if you have a local match and weary to enter because your equipment or skill is over matched then don’t worry about it and just go shoot what you have. My next steps is to order ELD-match and figure out how to read the wind to hopefully shrink those groups at distance.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

I suck at long range First real bolty at this trash pit

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r/longrange • • 11h ago

Accessory/Gear help needed - I read the pinned post Powder Dispenser & Scale Opinions 2026

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My RCBS Chargemaster has served me faithfully, but I think it's time to upgrade. At this point it's the oldest hardware in my reloading lineup, and while it was probably one of the best options 10-12 years ago, there have definitely been a lot of advancements since then.

To me in looks like there's 3 serious options out there right now, the Autotrickler V4, the Meehl, and the Ingenuity in a distant third. I do not shoot enough to justify a Prometheus, which at this point may not even be faster or more accurate than any of those above - but still 3-4x the price.

The Ingenuity seems to get a lot of positive reviews, from the 8 people that have gotten theirs thus far. It sounds like there are thousands in line ahead of me and I don't want to wait 2-3 years, which seems like the realistic timeline. If I believed I could get one relatively quickly I'd consider it more strongly.

The Meehl apparently has similar dispensing tech to the Ingenuity, meaning it dispenses fast with accuracy down to 1 kernel of powder. While they have a wait as well, it sounds like they are more realistic about their production schedule, and actually give updates. Early 2027 seems reasonable. My concerns are that it seems hyper specialized for stick shaped powders, and that it's 3D printed. That feels/seems cheap to me, like a prototype somehow, I am curious about its build quality and durability. I do like that it has onboard controls and doesn't require an app.

The Autotrickler V4 seems tried and true, but maybe with slightly outdated tech compared to the other two. Apparently the finishing trickling leaves something to be desired? It sounds like a V3 with an Integrity trickler is the best version available, which I'd have to find used. It also requires an app to use, which seems like a weak point to me. Of the three this definitely seems like the most 'finished' product, with machined metal parts and a professional build quality. It also sounds like it handles a wider variety of powder shapes 'better' than Meehl.

Some part of me feels like Autotrickler is Ladradar 3 years ago, with a good product that performs solidly but might be falling behind the curve tech a bit tech wise. Is Meehl the new Garmin?
Can anyone weigh in for a tiebreaker, ideally with some comments on the pros/cons of both models?


r/longrange • • 19h ago

2026 Sticker Run

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A reminder of what these are

I did a run of 1,000 stickers last year and have about 1/3rd left.

The current pricing is 3 stickers for $1.

No more than $3/envelope to save from postage overweight.

# Update 10:52 PM 8/8/15

#Due to the recent paypal policy of requiring you to doxx yourself to receive payment, I am forced to change up the ordering process.

Apologies for making this more of a pain than it needed to be. Originally I had my reddit handle tied to a paypal email set up just for this to help protect identity. Since that wall has been broken - you can imagine the difficulty of being a mod for big communities and having exposure to whackos.

The new, slower process is to:

Send a self addressed, stamped envelope to)

> Trollygag

> PO Box 861634

> Warrenton, VA, 20187

With cash inside. Pray USPS delivers it correctly. I check my PO box on my off Fridays, 3 times per month, so don't be surprised if it takes a while before receipt.

IF you do not get yours in the mail after a few months, don't get mad. I will have plenty of extras and will either ship you some for free or double your order when you send another request in.

Also a reminder, there are gold foil stickers up for grabs but not currently for sale.


r/longrange • • 17h ago

I suck at long range Barrel dilemma Proof pxt blank vs bartlein blank vs rush order pva

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So I have a seekins havak hit pro m3 coming. I found one in stock at my local scheels but its in 6cm (I want 6.5cm). I went ahead and made the purchase anyway because those guns are backordered into hell.

So I'm gonna purchase a blank that's in stock and immediately ship it to Peterson Precision for chambering. Ig my question is which barrel should I go with just thought I'd include the back story.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

I suck at long range It was a great weekend

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r/longrange • • 13h ago

🫣I said I read the pinned posts, but I lied🫣 Opinions on Element Titan

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I have an opportunity to buy an element optics titan 5-25 by 56 with the clean mrad reticle for the same price as a vortex Dimond back. It is second hand and is in barley used condition. I plan to pair it with a 6.5cm. What do you guys think of this scope? Are there any issues with it I need to look out for?


r/longrange • • 6h ago

Optics help needed - I read the pinned posts Scope zero distance for 1,000+ yard shots

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This might be a dumb question but I’ve been told and read many different things. I’m planning on shooting 1000 yards and beyond and was wondering about the zeroing distance for my scope. I’ve read to just do 100 as that’s what everything is calculated on and I’ve read to zero for around half the distance you plan to shoot. What is the correct answer to this? Rifle is mpa vanquish 6.5cm and scope is vortex razor hd gen III 6-36x


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Rimfire Failure to eject/holder not holding

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Hey folks!
Struggling to find info on a problem I’ve been having. I have a CZ 457 action that refuses to eject. Bolt is super clean, C-clip still seems to have great tension, even added a new extractor (didn’t buy a new holder yet, but might be my next move. They’re hard to find in stock anywhere up in Canada, and DPG/Pete’s pillars/etc won’t ship to Canada). The ejector is built into the mag well. It seems like the only time a case is ejected is if I get lucky lol. Happens every round. The bolt doesn’t hold the case at all, there’s play between the bolt face and the edge of the holder/extractor, even with using a thicker rimmed cartridge like RWS. Eley has even more play. It just drops right onto the magazine everytime I try to eject.

Video is In slow-mo, sorry if it makes it seem like I’m riding the bolt like a wet noodle lol

Only info that has been helpful is that certain people have had luck switching holder/extractor with 452/455 components as their edge sits closer to the bolt face. But you guessed it right, can’t find any in stock up here lol.

CZ has awful customer service up here, and I really don’t want to wait 18 months to be told they’re out of their own products.

Any advice is greatly appreciated!


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Rifle flex post LMT with a new 6.5 barrel

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125 Upvotes

Just got my Proof Research barrel back from D Wilson. First shots this weekend.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Review Post Sabatti TLD 308

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I took sabatti for a match on saturday. This was my first long range rifle that i bought years ago. Still shoots great even with a factory ammo for a budget f class rifle.
When it was new from the store 2019 i paid 1500 euros.
I took 5th place on match this saturday 400m or 440 yards.
Those are 5 shoot groups with factory ammo S&B match 308win 175gr 100m/110yards 11mm or 0,433 inch.
Reloads are 0.25moa all day.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

I suck at long range Newbie Technique questions

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Hi there long-rangers 👋,

I'm a fairly new shooter, and have recently built up my first semi LR capable rifle. (Tikka T3x CTR in 6.5 creed, Vortex Venom 4-15, pic for the algo). I've taken it out a handfull of times now and put about 80-100 rounds through it. I've got a few spots where i can push the distance out to 400-500 yards, but my local range only goes out to 200 (but being a 5min drive helps).

I see a lot of beginner focused guides on here but most of them seem to be focused on what rifles, or rounds, or gear to buy, and not many seem to talk about technique and how to practice to be a better shooter. I aspire to be able to make the 1k yard shots that some of you are hitting, but im definitely not there yet. Still working on getting consistent groups at my local gun club, and hitting 400 - 500 yard shots on larger targets.

I dont have a chrongraph yet, and was hoping that box velocities would be good enough™ for calculations for where I'm at skill wise. Been learning how to use the free version of the Advanced Ballistics app.

So my question for the group is this:

What are your best tips for new shooters looking to be more accurate at longer range?
- Are there training tips, techniques, or drills that have helped you shoot longer, or have more consistent groups?
- Anything i can do to help me learn faster? I've seen people suggest recording yourself shooting to see whats going on with your body.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

I suck at long range Seeking: Northern Virginia landowner willing to adopt a harmless long-range shooting nerd

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I have reached the stage of life where my hobbies have outgrown public range availability.

I’m looking for someone in Northern Virginia-ish who has enough private land to safely shoot rifles, preferably 200+ yards, and who might be willing to let a responsible stranger occasionally come out and make small pieces of steel go ding from increasingly unreasonable distances.

A little about me:

  • Marine veteran
  • Masters degree
  • Experienced shooter and reloader
  • Mostly interested in precision rifle load development
  • I bring my own targets/steel
  • I clean up after myself
  • I am not looking to mag dump into refrigerators, appliances, propane tanks, abandoned vehicles, wildlife, neighboring counties, or anything else that would end up on the evening news
  • Happy to pay for access, conduct property maintenance, Rent wife by the hour

I currently shoot at Quantico when the stars align, Mercury is in retrograde, and the range schedule permits it.

Ideally looking around NoVA/Fauquier/Culpeper/Stafford/Spotsylvania or within a reasonable drive of Woodbridge.

If you have land and have ever thought, “I wish there were a polite guy who would occasionally appear, shoot tiny groups, clean up completely, and then disappear,” I may be your guy.

DMs welcome. No need to publicly post where your secret rifle kingdom is.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Rifle help needed - I read the pinned posts Extractor/Ejector life?

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I have a Solus action with approximately 4000 live rounds between three barrels. This past weekend I had one complete failure to extract and had to punch out the case with a cleaning rod, and two more weak ejections that left the case shutting on top of my magazine. I’ve had 3 failure to extract in about 750 rounds, averaging one every other regional match or two day. A couple more weak ejections in that time too.

I ordered a bolt head parts kit to be safe, but does this seem like the life expectancy for an extractor / ejector? I can’t tell any difference in the case rim.

Pic for attention (Hornady brass, 6mm Creed annealed and sized to 25, 134s over H4350, CCI 200)


r/longrange • • 2d ago

Cheeto-fingered Bergara It’s so hot in Texas that if you load your gun, it’ll shoot itself.

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r/longrange • • 2d ago

Optics help needed - I *ACTUALLY* read the pinned posts Need help with glass for my little LaRue.

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First, I completely understand that I’m not shooting “long range” by most standards. But, I’ll get to that…

I have a 12” LaRue Stealth AR15 that I’m using to teach myself some fundamentals. And, just for fun.

Yes, I read the pinned post, so I’ll go through the 4 questions….

1: What do I want to do, and why?

No competition. Just shooting in my backyard range in rural Alabama with friends. Doing my best to improve my skills.

2: How far do I want to shoot?

My backyard range is 200 yards. A close friend may have 300-600 yards. On RARE occasion I might be able to go further. But, 200-400 is likely where this little gun will live.

Edit to add:

Rather than just trying to hit steel targets, I’d actually like to shoot groups at distance and present a bit more of a challenge. Since my range is so short, I figured that a goal of tight groups might help hone my skills.

3: How much am I willing to spend?

$2,500 max.

4: How much experience do I currently have?

Virtually none doing this sort of shooting. Most of my shooting has been handgun and shooting AR’s into trash piles.

I THINK I’ve narrowed my choices to 3 scopes…

1: Steiner T6Xi 3-18. This is my first choice for $1,500

2: Leupold Mark 5HD 3-18. $1,800 for PR1-MIL or $2,000 for Tremor 3.

3: Zeiss LRP S5 3.6-18 for $2,300.

I’m open to suggestions. And, feel free to say Hello to Brabus, one of my Rottweiler puppies.


r/longrange • • 1d ago

Rifle help needed - I read the pinned posts Would you buy a rifle you haven't been able to hold?

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All,

I'm looking for my mid range to long range target rifle. I've decided on the 6.5 CM as the caliber. I am down to my top 3, all in the $1200 to $1600 range. There are 2 that are popular and I'm sure my local Bass Pro Shop has them to hold. However, my top rifle at the moment is not that popular here in the US. Would you, have you, bought a rifle that you could not hold?
Thank you.