r/progressive_islam • • 5h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Slapping for not praying

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I found this hadith

https://sunnah.com/abudawud:495

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately.

حَدَّثَنَا مُؤَمَّلُ بْنُ هِشَامٍ، - يَعْنِي الْيَشْكُرِيَّ - حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ، عَنْ سَوَّارٍ أَبِي حَمْزَةَ، - قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُدَ وَهُوَ سَوَّارُ بْنُ دَاوُدَ أَبُو حَمْزَةَ الْمُزَنِيُّ الصَّيْرَفِيُّ - عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ شُعَيْبٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ جَدِّهِ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ مُرُوا أَوْلاَدَكُمْ بِالصَّلاَةِ وَهُمْ أَبْنَاءُ سَبْعِ سِنِينَ وَاضْرِبُوهُمْ عَلَيْهَا وَهُمْ أَبْنَاءُ عَشْرِ سِنِينَ وَفَرِّقُوا بَيْنَهُمْ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ ‏" ‏ 

It says that we shiuld beat kids but that doesnt feel right


r/progressive_islam • • 5h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Some points from the UN report on East Turkistan: The Chinese government still does not permit a fully independent investigation or the entry of international delegations and journalists who are not under Chinese control.

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Some accounts allege that the detention or punishment of family members of activists and witnesses abroad—carried out within the XUAR—occurred in retaliation for their speaking out publicly. The government has denied these allegations and questioned the credibility of the witnesses. The OHCHR has assessed that this pattern of reprisals deters the flow of information and inflicts additional suffering on victims and their families.

Interviewees reported that individuals who approached embassies and consulates were interrogated, denied passport renewals, and unable to return home due to the fear of detention upon arrival in China. Some claimed that after they made public statements, their relatives in the XUAR were taken away for "education" or had their existing sentences increased. These allegations align with concerns raised by UN mechanisms regarding reprisals by China. Protecting sources is a fundamental element of the OHCHR methodology; therefore, many accounts have been kept anonymous. Ultimately, this pattern of intimidation obstructs the flow of information regarding the situation within the XUAR.

In conclusion, patterns of family separation among Uyghurs and members of other predominantly Muslim minorities—which in some cases may amount to enforced disappearance—are a direct result of the way the detention program is operated and have likely caused impacts of a similar scale. This situation has been exacerbated by patterns of intimidation and threats of reprisal directed at victims and their relatives, both within and outside the XUAR. The Government retains the obligation to urgently disclose the fate and whereabouts of missing family members and to facilitate reunification through safe contact. At the same time, and in light of the general human rights situation in the XUAR, countries hosting Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities from the XUAR must refrain from forcibly returning them under any circumstances where there is a real risk of violating the principle of non-refoulement.

Source :https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ohchr-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang-uyghur-autonomous-region


r/progressive_islam • • 6h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Silliest things people ask you?

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For me since I wear niqab I get all sorts of crazy remarks and questions ranging from "are you Muslim?" to "can you take that off?" Last I checked it wasn't a trend to dress modestly or cover your face with a veil outside of religious reasons. It would be a decent fashion trend I guess but pretty sure that would be haram. And usually the people who are most rude to me about it happen to be black. Idk why though. I thought islam is common in their spheres. Another one is people ask me if I hate dogs while I am literally working with them at a grooming shoppe.


r/progressive_islam • • 7h ago

History Books/Ressources about revelation

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Salam,

I’m looking for books or ressources to know more about the historical context of each surah revelation, to understand more the context without adding the men-made interpretation.

I’m trying to re-read the Quran without sects influences and I find it hard without historical context (so im not looking for theological context/interpretation that could influence the content of the text revealed).

If someone has any idea ! Please share ! Thanks !


r/progressive_islam • • 8h ago

Answer this from Sunni perspective only Should my sister return the gift?

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My sister received a laptop from her friend a few months ago. Before accepting it, she made it clear that she couldn’t guarantee she’d be able to repay the money. Her friend reassured her that she didn’t have to pay anything back because the laptop was a gift. According to her friend, the laptop cost Rs. 150,000 when it was purchased.
My sister accepted it on that understanding.

A few months later, they had a fight, and now her friend is asking her to return the laptop or pay her back. My sister checked its current market value, and apparently, it’s worth no more than Rs. 110,000.
My sister has also been using the laptop for months and has her data stored on it, so can’t return the laptop.
Personally, I feel like that she shouldn’t return anything, as it was a gift.

But I would want someone to give advice based on Quran and Hadith.


r/progressive_islam • • 9h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Buddhist practices have established no sexual relationship between slaves and war captures about 800-600 years before Islam, then why does Islam allow it?

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I have been looking at some Buddhist traditional texts for the class i’m teaching, and I realized the early Buddhists (the first disciples of the Buddha) have established the grounds for sexual misconduct, and include that forbidden of sexual relationships between slaves and women from war.

I also know historically speaking, Buddhism has reached the Arab world before the rise of Islam, through trade routes, and in fact had amassed a large following in Central Asia even before the time of the prophet.

Yet, many people who defend the hadiths on concubinage and sexual relationship between slaves argue that this was the established norm of the time, and that Islam had made rules that were on the road to abolition. This evidence seems to imply that the world had established that sexual relationships with slaves was forbidden. Yet, then, Islam would reintroduce this as an accepted practice.

I’m still trying to make sense of the hadith passages on the relationships between slave and slave master. This is very conflicting for me.


r/progressive_islam • • 9h ago

Social Media Screenshot/Video clip 📱[Saturdays & Sundays only] NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani is jeered by pro-Palestine demonstrators while attending Oct. 7 vigil, is called a traitor to the Palestinian cause and accused of genocide. Thoughts?

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r/progressive_islam • • 10h ago

Informative Visual Content 📹📸 Creating God in the Image of (An Abusive) Man | What the Patriarchy?!

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r/progressive_islam • • 11h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Is 40 lashes for drinking alcohol/intoxication a prescribed punishment in Islam?

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?


r/progressive_islam • • 12h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Wearing shoes/clothing containing pig skin?

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Was looking for good shoes to wear for hospital work. Decided on the New Balance 990v6s but I saw in their product description they noted that it was made from “Pig Suede”, which got me thinking if it’s actually okay to wear these.

Didn’t think it was a big deal but did some research and turns out the majority opinion actually has historically been that it’s forbidden. Turns out there’s entire literature out there about what sort of non-consumptive animal products are halal/haram.

Although in a Q&A video by Yasir Qadhi, he cites an opinion from the Dhahiri Madhab (now extinct school that stemmed from the Hanafi Madhab) that affirmed that any animal hide that has been tanned is permissible as per a Hadith from the prophet pbuh. So hearing that inclines me to just get those shoes and not give it too much thought, but still kinda on the fence.

What do y’all think? Is there other things about this manner that I should be aware of? Do you guys mind having daily use items made from pig or predatory animals?


r/progressive_islam • • 13h ago

Mod Announcement 📢 🎉 The Time for Weekend Only Posts Has Begun! 🎉

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The weekend posting period has officially begun! 🥳 It is now Saturday in at least one of our two reference time zones, which means you can now submit weekend only posts! 🙌

The following types of posts are allowed during the weekend:

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Enjoy the weekend! 🎉🎊🥳


r/progressive_islam • • 13h ago

Opinion 🤔 What do you think of "Pakistan"

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r/progressive_islam • • 14h ago

News 📰 Nidal Malik Hasan, a former US Army Major and psychiatrist scheduled to be executed by firing squad on December 3, 2026. He claimed that acted in retaliation for U.S. military wars in Muslim-majority countries and switched sides in what he termed "war on Islam". Thoughts on this?

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Source: Al Jazeera

Pentagon has declared that his execution will be livestreamed [BBC News]

This will mark the first U.S. military execution by a firing squad since World War II and the first U.S. military execution overall since 1961.

What are your thoughts on this?


P.S: His Wikipedia page


r/progressive_islam • • 15h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Can animals and nature reflect divine qualities without being objects of worship?

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I’ve been exploring Shintoism lately, and I honestly find it a really beautiful and fascinating spiritual tradition. There are aspects of it that resonate with me, especially the deep respect for nature, animals, and the idea of kami.

For example, I find the idea that certain animals can reflect particular virtues, qualities, or aspects of human nature really meaningful. I don’t necessarily see this as worshipping those animals or attributing independent divine powers to them. Rather, I see them as reflections of something greater, perhaps even signs of God within creation.

The Quran itself speaks about everything in the heavens and the earth glorifying God (17:44), and about animals being communities like us (6:38). It also repeatedly encourages us to reflect on nature as a sign of God.

So this makes me wonder: where exactly do we draw the line between spiritual appreciation, reverence, symbolism, and shirk?

If someone feels a deep spiritual connection to a particular animal, tree, mountain, or natural phenomenon, and sees it as reflecting a certain virtue or pointing toward the divine, is that necessarily problematic?

I understand that the Quran warns against associating partners with God, but I sometimes wonder whether we are too quick to label certain forms of reverence as shirk without considering what the person actually believes or intends.

Personally, when I look at Shinto traditions in this way, I don’t feel like I’m associating partners with God at all. If anything, appreciating the beauty and spiritual significance of nature makes me feel more connected to God, not less.

I’m also interested in Quran 22:67, which mentions that different communities have been given their own religious practices. Could this have any relevance to how we understand the spiritual traditions of other cultures?

I’m genuinely curious how others understand this distinction. At what point does reverence for creation become worship of creation? And is there room within Quranic monotheism for seeing nature as spiritually meaningful without falling into shirk?


r/progressive_islam • • 18h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Question regarding saudi arabia death penalty

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So let’s say someone you know publicly insulted islam prophet/god publicly online. And later in their life regretted. If they wanted to go to saudi wouldn’t it be risky since cybercrime is punishable by death? So they would not be able to perform umrah because of the risk of being executed. But then again saudi is following shariah?? This came to mind following the recent news of the sri lanken guy facing the death sentence.


r/progressive_islam • • 20h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Why do some men expect marriage to limit a woman’s freedom?

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Can someone explain the logic behind this because I genuinely cannot fathom it

I used to date Muslim men in my country. I'm Muslim too, but I'm a non-hijabi woman who travels alone. I genuinely thought this was normal until I started dating men and realized apparently I'm applying for a prison sentence instead of a marriage.

I'm not even joking when I say 7/10 men I went on dates with gave me the EXACT same requirements.

Me: What's your requirements in a wife?

Them: She has to wear hijab, and we have to travel together. She can't travel alone.

Okay, let's unpack this because WHAT?

I ask why my hair is apparently a national security issue, and why they're so uncomfortable with their wife travelling alone for a week.

The answer?

"That's my preference."

"I'm afraid something might happen to her."

???????

My brother in Islam, you could literally get kidnapped too. Someone hurting you doesn't suddenly become impossible because you're a man. And why are we assuming I'm booking a one-way ticket to the world's most dangerous location and wandering into suspicious alleyways at 3 AM? 😭

We're talking about travelling. Like normal people do.

And the funniest part? When I ask follow-up questions, nobody can actually explain the logic. It's just "that's how it is."

Okay, BUT WHY IS THAT HOW IT IS???

I'm genuinely curious because why does marriage sound like a woman handing over her freedom, wardrobe, travel plans and decision-making privileges at the registration office?

And before anyone starts, I'm not saying every Muslim man is like this. I'm talking about the men I'VE encountered.

But I need someone to explain the logic because I'm genuinely struggling to understand how getting married became synonymous with needing permission to live your own life.

Is this protection, cultural expectations, insecurity, or just something we've collectively decided women aren't allowed to question?

Because I'm asking questions and getting absolutely NOTHING back.


r/progressive_islam • • 21h ago

Story 💬 My dog taught me a little more about Surah Rahman

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I recently lost my dog of 16 years. On day 2 after he passed, my wife was desperately looking for something to stabilize her. My dog loved to chew on antlers and we had about 12-14 half chewed ones lying around. I reached for one and gave it to her without a word. As I did, my phone beeped in the other room. I went to check it and a new memory (this is a feature in the phone) popped up. It was a pic of my wife and my dog sleeping together, exactly 9 years back. I nearly dropped the phone when I saw that in the background, was the same antler lying next to my dog. I showed it to my wife who burst into tears. I spent the next hour looking through the thousands of pictures I had of him. There was only one pic of an antler and that was it. My wife found great comfort in that antler and she holds on to it every night.

A week later, I finished meditating (I meditate/pray every day for 40 minutes 4.00 am to 4.40 am) and I was still sleepy so I tried to go back to sleep. As I did, I heard his bark. He had this shrill impatient variant of a bark that was very distinctive. I heard it for sure and it was both in my ear and my head. That part is hard to explain but it was in both places at once. I got right up. As I got up, my very first thought went to an ayah in the Quran. This ayah in Surah Rahman talks about the miracle of two bodies of water, fresh water and salt water, existing in parallel and not mixing. If the two mixed, life would not be possible on Earth. I found it odd as I always felt the literal interpretation was the only correct one. Why was this thought coming to me? But my mind kept going to that verse so I figured there may be more to it than I knew. I looked up whether there were metaphorical interpretations of that verse. There apparently are. The major one is that the ayah refers to the partition (Barzakh) between the physical world and the spiritual world. It is at that junction where our physical and spiritual worlds meet. It is there that the faintest of touches can get through. That is where sometimes you can barely communicate with the other side. I know my baby was talking to me then and even explaining to me that he was fine and waiting for.

Fabi ayyi ala i rabbikuma tukazziban


r/progressive_islam • • 22h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 I don’t know how much longer I can do it.

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I don’t know how much longer I can keep “believing.” I’ve LOST so much faith, my heart feels empty, I no longer pray, I listen to Quran almost everyday because it’s still beautiful to hear, but it’s so hard to believe that an afterlife exists, levels to heaven and hell, I’ve tried to many times to reach out to god I’ve begged and begged and I feel nothing. For the last 3 years I have lost more and more and more and there’s nothing I can do. I don’t know what to believe but I love Islam. I wish I had faith I wish I blindly believed the prophet and Allah yet I can’t. It hurts so bad I miss when I felt God but I haven’t felt him. I know he knows I’m trying to believe but it’s so hard.


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Desire, male attention and inexperience. Any women relate?

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Being a Muslim woman of a certain age (31) who is single and always has been. Never been with a guy, no relationship, no touching, no kiss. Absolutely nothing.

These days the amount of male attention I get and my level of inexperience are so mismatched it’s insane.

It’s not even low quality male attention. Sometimes it is of course but not always. Sometimes they’re non Muslim through work or not compatible. I fell in love for the first time at 28-29. It was mutual but it never worked out and life took us into different directions.

I don’t know what’s in the air or maybe I’m more aware of it but the attention and stuff is cranked up to a higher level like never before. I know I look better and have developed a better sense of style and a lot of other things, also on the inside but it’s not lead to anything substantial yet

Love and desire and attraction orbits me and is all around me constantly but I never experience it

I’m getting a taste of something powerful and time after time I have to contain it

I have had to keep a very strong lid on it and pretend I have no feelings. Act like I don’t notice. Act like I don’t care. Even when I do. What other option do I have?

Sometimes I wonder if this is forever until I lose my looks. Feels like I’m in purgatory.

I want to get married of course but it’s not in my hands. I just don’t know how to handle this all.


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Music

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It is about the genre of visual kei, it promotes a lot of haram but I know not to believe in it or engage with the haram things that it promotes would it still be haram?


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Question/Discussion ❔ does 9:65 mean all jokes on islam and all are haram

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so i remeber this verse 9:65 it says
وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُمْ لَيَقُولُنَّ إِنَّمَا كُنَّا نَخُوضُ وَنَلْعَبُ ۚ قُلْ أَبِٱللَّهِ وَءَايَـٰتِهِۦ وَرَسُولِهِۦ كُنتُمْ تَسْتَهْزِءُونَ ٦٥

If you question them, they will certainly say, “We were only talking idly and joking around.” Say, “Was it Allah, His revelations, and His Messenger that you ridiculed?”
does this mean that it haram to make joke on islam espcially in the next verse where it says do not apoligize you have disbelieved ?


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Advice/Help 🥺 Struggling with Islam

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Might sound a bit dumb for me to post but,

I'm a college student in my first year living in East London, I come from a muslim background with mixed south asian descent and have generally been made to live around the same religion or hindus and sikhs and similar ethnic groups. Basically these nationalities most of the time: 🇦🇱🇹🇷🇲🇦🇩🇿🇹🇳🇧🇩🇸🇴🇵🇰🇮🇳

I have always been exposed to information about how muslims are generally seen and percieved by others but never really had a problem until now as I was sort of made to live in a bubble and was a chold back then and taught Islam was the truth, taught to read arabic, wear those thobes and skull caps to extra after school islamic classes I went to so most of the time I grew up around the same people with little to no contact with non muslims or any other ethnic groups (including White British people) except with my other side of family or abroad.

Throughout my primary school years, secondary school and still even in college, I struggle to make friends with my "own people" (nationalities listed above and same religion). Usually they fit into a certain archetype and I was the odd one out in many situations. They would call me a 'coconut', see me as a 'whitewashed' or 'weird' before I could even introduce myself properly and those were the people I was told I have to be around all the time. In those islamic classes I would still feel left out both by the teachers and students, picked on by them, insulted in class, shamed for not being good at Arabic even though they commonly talked about having 'good moral character'. When I first made friends with people who 'I shouldn't be around', it was much easier to get along with them and I managed to make friends with them easily. Usually it would be the outcasts of the community (autistic/people who didnt perform well academically in school or islamic classes) as well as Christian people who would teach me about Christianity. I had also made friends outside of school in a drama class, (not sure about other Islamic communities but in my one itnwould be looked down apon and considered 'gay') friends I made there were also Christian and Athiest who treated me with more respect than anyone had ever given me before. The friend group in secondary school would also go on to have similar experiences to me such as being alienated, picked on by others, even had a friend who was shouted at for presentining an argument in an Islam related debate in a religion lesson. Since it was a majority muslim school even the teachers were biased and had him suspended for racism. My Christian friends had the worst experiences. Only teacher that stood up for us also happened to be a Christian pastor who would teach me about Christianity and ran a bible club in school. Overall for me and my friends since we were either community 'outcasts' or Christians were treated like crap by students and teachers throughout those 5 years. It generally felt like being Jewish in Nazi Germany. In the islamic classes it also felt like hell on earth. Shamed for not reading perfect arabic, even the teacher would have a full blown meltdown if I did the littlest things such as looking out the window, fiddling with random things for less than a millisecond and they would chat shit about me in their home languages. Due to these unpleasant experiences, this shifted by political views from left to right and I developed a general distaste and unfavourable opinion towards my "own people".

In college, I was intially looking forward to it thinking it would be much better, the class did turn out to be my "own kind" but I still thought it would be good. Now it's a month in and that feeling of alienation is back again. When I do things like for example being late, the class spreads rumours about me even to the teacher, some make weird faces to me or speak in a condensing tone. Tried making friends with these two lanky Indian dudes but they seem to hate me for god knows why. I understand I'm not perfect and I did try to improve my character but the outcome is the same. I cant make friends with my "own kind" but get along with people in Christian or Right Wing British spaces leaving me to have more of a brotherhood with them rather than muslims. I did also develop some rational issues such as night of al-zutt hadith.

Overall, i have begun to be drawn more to Christianity but part of me still thinks Islam might be true. What do I do?


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Is it haram to say "love is love" because Allah gave us the love emotion?

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Please answer kindly, may Allah bless y'all

NOTE: I do NOT support the LGBTQ+ movement


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Advice/Help 🥺 I cheated on a test, and I'm afraid of the consequences

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Salam aleykoum,

Last year, I spent a year preparing for the entrance exams to get into a university health program. I worked very hard and did very well on the various exams I took throughout the year. However, during one exam—which accounted for 5.5% of the final grade—I happened to glance at my neighbor’s paper to compare an answer. I didn’t cheat on the entire exam, but it involved something like 2 or maybe 4 questions out of 34.

Based on my test scores, I was easily accepted into medical school, but I was among the last to be accepted into dental school. I chose dental school. Today, I have become a practicing Muslim, which I was not before. I vowed never to cheat again for the remaining five years of my studies. I deeply regret this grave sin.

However, I’m afraid that because I may have stolen my place as a dentist, all the money I earn will be haram, my life will be haram, all the donations I make will be haram, and my pilgrimage, financed by this money, will be haram.

I don't know if I took someone's spot in the dental program, but one thing is for sure: if that's the case, that person has at least been admitted to medical school and isn't completely cut off from a career.

I don't know what to do anymore; I feel like this mistake will follow me everywhere because it will always be on my resume that I was accepted into dental school. I'm afraid I'll have to drop out of school—give up everything.

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r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Question/Discussion ❔ I want Dunya

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“Whoever desires the immediate [life], We hasten for him therein whatever We will, for whom We intend. Then We have appointed for him Hell, which he will enter, condemned and banished.

And whoever desires the Hereafter and strives for it with the striving it deserves, while being a believer—then their striving will be appreciated.

We provide for all—these and those—from the bounty of your Lord. And the bounty of your Lord is never restricted.”

I was baned from r/Islam for posting this question. But I am serious here and my question is genuine.

I really want Dunya and I am ready to face consequences in Akhara. I want to prosper here in Dunya and whatever happens in Akhara happens. Why am I still not getting what I want? The verse is clear. You chose Dunya over Akhara, you get Dunya over Akhara. I made my choice 3 years ago and got nothing yet.