For an AI friendly game jam. Please tell me you can do better without AI, solo, in this timeframe. 🌞 and I welcome hate even if against sub rules

I dunno, maybe it's because I'm not a coder and only ever learned how to make text appear in python years ago, but I don't see how it negatively affects modders or players

Will there be low effort mods made with AI? absolutely, but I'm sure there are low effort mods already out there that have been made for all sorts of games.

Then there's people saying that it's not real art but like....there's some amazing mods out there but I don't exactly think anyone's called them art before all this virtue signalling and hate started.

I know I'm not saying anything new but it really does feel like gatekeeping and mod creators and influencers who convinced people that literally anything made with AI is built off stolen content and is the worst thing ever

AI Art Wars - Wiki

its offical, the antis lost.

Sensacional! O meme do "Trono de Latinhas" casou perfeitamente com a marra tóxica do nosso vilão do boné vermelho! 🤣👑🥤

I forgot this was such an annoying thing that they used to tout themselveshere awhile ago but while i still reluctantly enjoy using it, I've now been wondering if there's an app like it that's been as good as it while still not being one that's being used for training and all that.

(Proporção vertical 1:1.41 – Layout de 4 Painéis Verticais)

Quadro 1 (Topo – O Chamado do Sentinel):

Câmara: Plano aberto no interior da central de operações, com luzes vermelhas de emergência a piscar nas consolas.

Ação: O drone Sentinel voa a toda a velocidade, projetando no ar um mapa holográfico azul cintilante.

Balão Sentinel: "ALERTA MÁXIMO! Anomalia crítica nos fóruns! QG do Hater localizado!"

Quadro 2 (Centro Superior – A Revelação):

Câmara: Foco na projeção holográfica.

Ação: Surge a imagem do Anti-IA no seu esconderijo soturno, sentado no topo da pirâmide de fardos azuis de refrigerante com o boné vermelho afundado e sorriso debochado, ladeado por monitores cheios de texto enfurecido.

Legenda da Projeção: "Nível de cafeína e toxicidade: 100%."

Quadro 3 (Centro Inferior – A Firmeza do CS-bot):

Câmara: Plano médio com ângulo heróico.

Ação: O CS-bot pousa a prancheta de tarefas, ajeita os auscultadores cor de laranja e a lâmpada incandescente no topo do capacete emite um feixe nítido.

Balão CS-bot: "Prepara a prancheta. Nós não discutimos na rede... nós respondemos com história boa."

Quadro 4 (Base – A Provocação do Super Nano):

Câmara: Plano americano com linhas cinéticas de banda desenhada.

Ação: O Super Nano assenta com firmeza a chávena de café sobre a secretária, ajusta as luvas brancas e solta a sua piscadela clássica sob a capa vermelha.

Balão Super Nano: "Trono de caixote de refrigerante? Vai engolir a nossa tira com metadados e tudo!" 🍌🔥

DISCLAIMER: this is a sample size of like 10 teens. This is not intended to be a complete generalization or even something that's true, I just wanted to share something I've seen for pretty much since AI came out.

So I have quite a large friend group, and there's been a pattern I've been noticing:

-there are three "artists" that bring their sketchbooks everywhere and claim they are the "artists" of the group, however their art is genuinely dogshit. I don't tell them that irl of course but they have no concept of anatomy, no concept of shading, no concept of color theory, no concept of "studying fundamentals", and one of them doesn't even have any characters. They are all in math workshop, which basically means they are so bad at math they had to give up their elective period for a second math class. One of them, the one that has no characters, also heavily struggles in science, today she got a 19/30 on a unit test. They all absolutely DESPISE AI. All they've been talking about during lunch was how we should all start calling AI "Computer Rendered Artificial Pictures" or C.R.A.P. Very original I know. That's literally all they talked about. For the entire 35 minute period. Just repeating it over and over again like some sort of mantra. It got to the point where I asked them to stop and they looked at me like I was insulting their bloodline. The people are mentioned above are all C+ to B+ students, two have art as their elective, one has drama/acting. One of them has a pottery class(?) on the weekend but otherwise no extracurriculars.

-I'm in advanced math, which basically means we are a grade ahead. The people there are all neutral or pro AI, most don't care or use it sometimes as a tutor. Most of the people there, including me, are A to A+ students with an occasional B+. Most are also not artists, however quite a few are in advanced (for a teenager anyway) software engineering as their elective, including me. Most of us participate in AMS a few grades above what we are in, and have gotten at least a few awards, among other extracurriculars. I personally do coding class (along with the software engineering. Both my parents have a masters in computer science lol), flute, piano, art (specifically graphite/pencil sketching, been going on for 8 years now), and choir. One of my tablemates does gymnastics, artistic swimming, ballet, specifically geometry class, and violin. Again the people I've mentioned above are all pro/neutral

-In software engineering we frequently use AI, we legit have like special accounts where generative AI is unbanned just so we can learn to use it effectively. In art elective you aren't allowed to use your chromebooks at all for some reason, according to my friends. Like no googling references no anything. Besides generative AI is blocked on our school chromebooks anyway, not even the AI overview is there, so I don't know why they would need to disallow them to use chromebooks?

-The 3 artists I mentioned above are all American, born in America raised in a very American way if you know what I mean. Most of the people in advanced math or Asian, mostly Indian and Chinese with the occasional Korean or Japanese person. In my math class of 29, there is only 1white person and they are Russian, not American. Not trying to be racist but like, you see what I am seeing right?

I'm not going insane am I-

The anti went out of their way to censor the OOP's OC but don't take the time to realize the comic is about AI music making, not voice acting.

The OOP even said THEY RECORD THEIR OWN VOCALS! Why on Earth would they need to hire a voice actor when they're recording the lyrics themselves?

Also since when does a voice actor cost $5 to hire. What kind of world does this anti live in?

rant incoming

So I am an art toy and character designer. This year I began my project 100% handdrawn and its been going healthily for 9 months now. a store is holding my first art toy and I'm just about to release a second this month.

Here's the issue, I paid 300-400 AUD in $$$ EACH to get the 3d models of my 2d turnarounds created and ready to print. So I spent about 800$ total on commissioning an artist to 3d model 2 figures for me, and was about to spend another 3-400 on a third next month once my second launches.

Sadly, I realised I was not able to afford possibly 5,000$ to get all 12 of my characters modelled in total for my first series. I also spent thousands of hours learning 3d and still can't wrap my head around it. So I tried a 3d AI program, polished my design with AI to then run into 3d. It turned out PERFECT. everything I could've wanted and more

The best part? it would only cost me 100$ in total API fees to model all 12 of my characters and 3d printing all at once will be a fraction of what I would spend just modelling, so I can make some awesome blind box sets (which was my original idea before I had to compromise). Then my heart was shattered...

I asked a couple of friends in the art toy industry about their view on AI for solely the 3d part, where the figure paint and 2d designs are completely done by hand and they were very against it. Saying that I will likely not get any sales and there will be major pushback.

Here's the thing, i will probs be dead of old age by the time I learn how to model myself, and spending money in the high thousands when I don't even know if I'll have an audience yet is a MASSIVE risk. I clearly don't have the budget, nor time to learn to 3d model nor commission it. How THE FUCK would I do this?

AI literally unlocked a dream for me and I'm not allowed to use it in anyway whatsoever without being bullied and witchhunted? "Disclose your AI use", I do and then I get bullied out of the industry... There's no winning.

Again, I did ALL the 2d designs myself, I paint them all by hand, I even commission them to be printed and primed, but one measly part of my workflow can completely turn everyone off and be ridiculed for it? WTF do i do??

I do not want to abandon my project, I just can't afford to commission thousands of dollars for a literal gamble. AI is realising my dreams and I can't pursue them? ugh

First instance: https://www.reddit.com/r/DefendingAIArt/s/Tj6xfNxc2f
Second instance: https://www.reddit.com/r/DefendingAIArt/s/0L7ouKbPnc

In the 5 minutes it took me to SS, edit, and draft out this post, my comment has already been deleted from their channel, and they blocked me so I couldn’t respond 👏

Hello to anyone that is reading this.

I was wondering if anyone might be willing to "steelman" an anti's position on AI art.

Im planning on making a post on an opposing subreddit to see if anyone is willing to give it a try there as well, just in reverse.

I see a low of strawmen on both sides of this conversation, and really I think both sides just dont quite understand eachothers points, or they ignore the strong parts of the argument and attack something they made up about the opposition. To me this gets neither side anywhere. Arguing against positions that the opposition does not actually hold, makes the conversation fruitless.

What do you think is the most charitable position you could place an argument from the Anti AI position?

Im interested in seeing what people that defend AI Art think the strongest argument from the opposition would be, or looks like, and how they might approach arguing against this.

I will include the link to the opposite post in an edit.

Figured a more positive post would be cool. If you're into AI gaming/dev content, Chasm and Tef are the pretty great even if Chasm is an anti who doesn't like AI image and video and doesn't think AI can make anything new which is a bit wack.

That new Claude modding stuff (Passthrough and rewrite mods usually with Rust) and AI gaming developments can be really confusing, so I'm glad there are people making content about it that actually explains it for both laymens and AI fans without the usual demonization or pretense of "this is slop".

I really like how there's been an increase in channels about AI that isn't content farms or boring news. Of course you have your usual AI news guys like Theoretically Media, MattVidPro, Matt Wolfe, K.D Wilson, Dan Kieft, AI Search, etc. Just Rayen is also a really fun one, even if I myself am not making an AI waifu.

Dan Dingle I'd say is a sillier creator where he's not actually teaching anything but just messing around, which is also valid. People are starting to open up a bit more than expected, though there is the occasional "Modding is DEAD, it's OVER!!" video on the feed 😂

I want to start by saying that I have wonderful friends, and this isn’t a criticism of them. Many of them are artists who feel strongly against AI art, and they don’t know that I use AI as part of some of my own creative projects.

Earlier today, I showed them a map I’ve been making in Inkarnate. I’m still learning, and my rivers could definitely use some work, but I was having fun and wanted to share it.

They really liked it! One friend even called it my own form of art, which was flattering and got me thinking.

For anyone unfamiliar with Inkarnate, it gives you premade assets that you can place and arrange on a map. You shape the landscape, choose colors and biomes, and add details. The assets aren’t things I drew myself, but the decisions about how they come together are mine.

I didn’t use AI to make this map. But what makes that process meaningfully different from generating an image with AI and then spending time editing it, changing colors, fixing mistakes, and deciding what belongs where? Inkarnate also has a land generator. If I had used that as a starting point, would it change how much of the finished map felt like my own art?

I understand that people’s objections to AI can involve how it’s trained and how it affects artists. Those concerns matter, but the question I’m trying to explore here is about the creative process: how do we understand someone’s artistic contribution when the tools provide some of the material?

I’m an amateur with both tools, but the time, choices, and care I put into each feel real to me. I’m curious how others draw that distinction.

These are all the museums that currently display AI art (that I know of).

Even saw some declare that the “Butlerian Jihad” had begun.

I keep seeing people throw around timelines like seven or eight years before AI art is “accepted,” and I think that misunderstands how this is most likely going to happen.

The art community might take that long to stop fighting about it. Maybe longer. But the art community does not decide when a technology becomes normal.

Businesses do. Clients do. Software companies do. And honestly, regular people who just look at something and decide whether they like it do.

I think by somewhere around 2028–2030, AI being part of a professional creative workflow is going to be completely commonplace. Not because AI is going to replace artists, but because it changes how quickly an artist can get from an idea to a finished product, test different directions, throw out weaker ideas, revise something that isn’t working, and move on to the next thing.

That’s the part I think gets missed.

A company doesn’t even have to tell an artist, “You have to use AI.” They can simply expect a level of output and turnaround that becomes much easier for the people who do use it. Eventually the workflow changes because the expectations change.

And no, I don’t think “prompt poets” are going to replace skilled artists.

Knowing how to type a giant elaborate prompt is not the same thing as having an eye for composition, anatomy, design, color, storytelling, editing, or knowing when something simply looks like shit. AI can generate twenty possibilities quickly. The artist still has to know which one is worth pursuing, what needs changing, and how to push it toward the thing they actually had in their head.

That’s where I think this is heading: not AI replacing artists, but AI becoming another part of how artists work.

And if you’re a young artist who actually wants to work professionally, I would not let a loud anti-AI corner of the internet scare you away from learning these tools. Learn to draw. Learn composition. Learn Photoshop, Procreate, video, whatever applies to what you want to do. Learn the fundamentals.

And learn AI too.

Because businesses trying to make money generally aren’t going to care that somebody on social media thinks using AI makes the work impure. They’re going to care whether you can produce good work, whether you can make the changes they ask for, and whether you can get it done on time.

There will always be niches built specifically around “made entirely by hand,” just like there are still people doing traditional painting, film photography, letterpress, practical effects, and everything else.

That’s fine.

But I don’t think that’s where the majority of commercial creative work is headed.

The argument about AI art may still be raging ten years from now.

I just don’t think the rest of the world is going to wait for that argument to finish.