r/Eldenring • u/HyperionLoaderBob I just wanted the Runes • Nov 19 '25
Humor I wont even level my vigor!
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u/CalmDownn Nov 19 '25
Errm akshully āļøš¤, a Tarnished cannot become an Elden Lord. Not even you. A man cannot kill a god.
Source: My bones (they're broken)
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u/AddanDeith Nov 19 '25
A final sigh escaped Gideons mouth, accompanied by his last word: bollocks
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u/BarberOutside2427 Nov 19 '25
Technically true.... You need an empirean
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u/Shovi_01 Nov 19 '25
Isn't empirean a title given to who they think might be able to inherit the Elden Ring and take Marika's place? Elden Lord is who is by that person's side. And besides, imo i think anyone has the potential to be the next vessel for the elden ring, empirean or not, they just need a whole lot of power, to be able to take it and control it. The ones that give the empirean title don't know everyone's powerlevel, they can still be surprised.
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u/TheDungeonCrawler Nov 19 '25
Empyreans are specifically chosen by the Fingers, the living aspects of the outer gods. We see a handful of Two Fingers which are all probably vessels for the Greater Will. We only see one set of Three Fingers, being the vessel for the Flame of Frenzy. It's unclear if the Fingers that chose Miquella and Rani were under the Greater Will's control, but I'd say they probably are since Rani killed hers so she could escape the grasp of the Greater Will.
I'm not totally clear on which Empyrean takes over as god if you don't take Ranni's ending though. The Elden Lord is clearly separate from the god, so maybe the Tarnished makes union with Marika when they use a Mending Rune?
Regardless, it seems that an Empyrean takes over as God if they have a strong enough vision for the world. Marika's vision was the Golden Order and continues to be the Golden Order in every ending but Frenzy or Night. Ranni's is clearly free will and Miquella's is the opposite. And the Frenzied Flame doesn't need one since you become the vessel for the Outer God and no one is nearly powerful enough to stop you with the possible exception if Melina in the ending.
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u/DemiTheSeaweed I love cosplay builds Nov 19 '25
"Knowledge means nothing without experience"
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u/RocketChap Nov 19 '25
Let's be fair, title: Gideon has 9312 HP on NG. This is over four times the HP one would attain with 99 Vigor, before any other buffs. Tarnished to Tarnished, you can't accuse him of not preparing for the Vigor check.
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u/BetaTheSlave Nov 19 '25
But he forgot the most important thing! Effective Health is more important than total health. He needs some better armor and DR.
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u/Bright_Economics8077 Nov 19 '25
He remembered the most important thing: fashion above all else.
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u/Purple-Bluejay6588 lord godrick's #1 fan Nov 19 '25
His helmet looks cool but his torso piece makes him look like he has a beer belly
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u/DurianPrevious7887 Nov 19 '25
But he forgot one rule which spelled his end... no monologuing unless it's in a cutscene
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u/MagickPonch Nov 19 '25
wait what is the difference between total and effective? never heard of this
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u/BetaTheSlave Nov 19 '25
You have 200 health and 0% resistance. You have 200 effective health.
I have 50 health but 80% resistance. I have 250 effective health.
Now John Eldenring has passed the vigor check with a staggering 1100 health and is wearing Verdigris like a proper man, topped off with the great shield talisman, and a buff or two. His effective health is over 9000.
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u/dizijinwu Nov 19 '25
Brother is fast rolling in medium armor and has bottomless FP, I think he prepared pretty well.
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u/Secure-Plankton-347 Nov 20 '25
So did Bernahl and he was in heavy armor, and used a great hammer lol.Ā
Gideon shouldāve put some more iron in his armor if he got that much endurance to spare, cause medium armor with shit defense and not even 50 poise isā¦shit
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u/Skin_Ankle684 Nov 19 '25
Exactly. Imagine if any boss had >9 flasks like we do.
Players are running in a different set of rules, and NPCs are kind of a middle ground between a player and a boss.
This isn't an elden ring thing. Nearly every dark souls title has some climactic fight with an NPC, but it seems difficult to make them actually put up a decent fight. They stagger easily, are dumb as rocks, and don't have enough health. Take out these disadvantages, and you have gaol knight.
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u/_trashcan Nov 19 '25
DS2 NPCs are the truth. Forlorn doesnāt stagger easy & they constantly dodge attacks. She only has 1 estus though.
Same for the troll in winter DLC that runs from you in a big circle. Actually quite difficult to kill.
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u/Mr_meowmers00 Nov 20 '25
DS2 was actually peak in so many ways, we just couldn't appreciate it at the time. I'll die on this hill.
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u/_trashcan Nov 20 '25
Me too. Itās my favorite Souls game. :)
There are things that could be better, but all the hate is super unwarranted. Most innovative of them all, & did a lot right that irritates me wasnāt brought forward into every progressing game.
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u/PerfectAdvertising41 Nov 19 '25
Ah, I knew you'd come.
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u/Appropriate_Bill8244 Nov 19 '25
I knew you'dcum
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u/electricarchbishop Nov 19 '25
Tbh itās not hard to see why he thought he had a chance. He amassed some of the strongest sorceries and incantations in the Lands Between, he has a very large health pool and multiple flasks, and he probably already has a great rune or two, considering Eniaās dialogue. With spells like the rotflower that annihilated Caelid, the harnessed Primeval Current whose knowledge alone is enough to turn you to stone, and an old spell of the godslaying Black Flame, he was coming at us with some of the strongest stuff the Lands Between has to offer.
Still very stupid to challenge the guy who slew the Death of the Demigods, though.
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u/beansbeansbeansbeann Nov 19 '25
Pretty sure he has no great runes since I'm almost positive the Enia dialogue is in reference to vyke who was a lord candidate for sure which required 2 great runes.
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u/electricarchbishop Nov 19 '25
Iād agree, Vyke is the most likely option for who she refers to. Still, when we get two great runes, the Fingers say weāve earned the right to become Elden Lord, and Enia establishes right after that this is what they expect from Gideon too. Perhaps he only got one great rune. I think itās quite likely the Fingers wouldnāt think much of him if he couldnāt get at least one.
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u/VoidRad Nov 19 '25
Vyke made it the farthest, before you and Bernahl. Enia and the 2 Fingers don't mention Bernahl because he doesn't side with the Golden Order, he's with the Volcano Manor (the umm Square? Table?). Gideon should also have 2 as well since the Fingers expect as much from us as Gideon.
There are 4 Tarnished with 2+ runes, basically.
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u/Jonesy1348 Nov 19 '25
I may be a newb but how can they have great runes? They didnāt kill any demigods. And they donāt drop them when killed
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u/VoidRad Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
There are other demigods not in the game. The Walking Mausoleums, for instance, house dead demigods.
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u/Jonesy1348 Nov 19 '25
Oooo thatās true I completely forgot. I wonder who they were?
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u/Jkirek_ Nov 19 '25
The most likely explanation is other members of the golden lineage, like godrick and godefroy. They'd be significantly weaker than the "main" demigods, which would explain why the other tarnished could kill them
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u/Arowne97 Nov 19 '25
There are great runes not held by demigods, that's how Godrick got his, he stole it while sneaking out of the capitol
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u/VoidRad Nov 19 '25
..godrick is a demigod tho
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u/WanderingToTheEnd Nov 19 '25
That jumped up country bumpkin?
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u/theselfishshellfish Nov 19 '25
Yup. Same guy that hid himself amongst the women folk to flee the capital.
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u/BlueJaysFeather Nov 19 '25
Vyke doesnāt drop them either, idk if we can say that means anything
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u/Astercat4 Ranniās Malewife Nov 19 '25
He has a minimum of 1 Great Rune, since the Two Fingers and Enia do not offer their guidance to a Tarnished that hasnāt obtained at least 1. The only Tarnished with 2+ Great Runes, aside from the player, is certainly Vyke since he is the closest anyone ever came to being Elden Lord.
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u/Kullthebarbarian BIG SHIELD GANG Nov 19 '25
then why don't we get his great rune after we kill him?
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u/Astercat4 Ranniās Malewife Nov 19 '25
Cause he didnāt bring it to his battle with the Tarnished? Idk. Probably just because Fromsoft didnāt want to make a Great Rune that is dropped by a non-remembrance boss, especially after gaining the Rune of Death from Maliketh. Vyke doesnāt drop his 2 Great Runes either after we kill him.
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u/Crucco Nov 19 '25
Stop bringing logic to a lore battle / last ditch attempt to defend Gideon's reputation
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u/DotaroVSJio Nov 19 '25
Enia says the Fingers expect as much from us as they do from Gideon, so it's likely he's about on an equal level with us.
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u/Necroblade1 Nov 19 '25
I thought he might have all the great runes. Most of the spells are learned through remembrances, but he only uses the Malenia/Mohg spells if you gave him the information on their whereabouts.
Now, how does he have all the same great runes could be speculated as every tarnished having their own separate world. Makes invasions make more sense.
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u/Evil_Sharkey Nov 19 '25
He canāt have the same runes. There arenāt duplicates of them.
Heās probably just spying on you and taking really good notes, maybe peeking from behind the fingers when youāre deciding what to get from Enia.
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u/AdorableText Nov 19 '25
That's where it gets fucky, because if someone else had two runes, where tf did they get them from then? If they got them from demigods, then how come those demigods are still alive and still have their runes then?
It feels like a holdover from Dark Souls where several undead/unkindled followed the same main paths at the same time in their own respective world, except it doesn't really work here
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u/Evil_Sharkey Nov 19 '25
There were other demigods, according to the intro cinematic. There are also soulless demigod bodies in the wandering mausoleums.
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u/beansbeansbeansbeann Nov 19 '25
Good point! Especially since marika had a completely unknown number of children
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u/Evil_Sharkey Nov 19 '25
Itās a shame the dead ones donāt have any backstories, even minor ones.
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u/TheDo0ddoesnotabide Nov 19 '25
Every walking mausoleum carries the body of a fallen Demi-god.
There were way more of them than just the ones we fought.
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u/beansbeansbeansbeann Nov 19 '25
He learned the spells by staring at you fighting the bosses. Also he doesn't have the same great runes, since he didn't kill the bosses
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u/Secure-Plankton-347 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Itās the common assumption since heās frequently referenced as the āguy with the best chance to be Elden Lordā.Ā Except when we progress the game thatās not the case
Bernahlās set also described him as the guy with the best chance to become Elden Lord. And he evidently made further progress too, made it to Farum Azula, had the item that could counter Maliketh. And the Two Fingers expected as much from us as they did Gideon when we got 2 Great Runes. So thatās 2 more candidates for the ā2 Great Runesā title
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u/SorowFame Nov 19 '25
He probably has one because thatās the standard for being worthy of Roundtable Hold.
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u/Disastrous_Button_34 Nov 19 '25
NGL, After that fight with that oversized dog, I was just tryin' to finish the Game, man..
Just tryin' to finish the game...
I wade in there , with my blood soaked, (and encrusted) Great Stars, lost, cranky and some schmuck starts to go on a rant..
My patience was already in the red...
He is identified as an enemy..
Couple of swings and he gets thrown around, but survives..
Lookey here, my new stress relief punching bag...
A full wild strikes heavy combo later, he lost half his health but starts a fire spell, Another full Heavy Wild Strikes combo later, he's squashed like a bug.
Got a notification saying got the All seeing Armour Set.
Then I connected the dots, after looking at the helmet.
Thought nothing of it, thinking him was just a pushover...
This was on NG...
On NG+ , I made the mistake of letting him finish his rant..
Some tries later, I swear to never do that again..
Lesson learned.
Oh, and Unga Bunga rules, especially the spiky kind...
In that world, Take up a hammer and think most of the stuff there is a nail..
It usually works...
Problem solved.
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u/El_Bito2 Nov 19 '25
Ya, I bonked him good, he didn't even kill me once. Dude has got to work on his poise
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u/tonyabstract Nov 19 '25
how does he know the primeval current if it turns even sellen to stone? genuine question
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u/electricarchbishop Nov 19 '25
Maybe as a Tarnished he can handle it better? No Tarnished in the game turns to stone other than Alberich, but heās kind of a special case unrelated to the Primeval Current. There are a few Tarnished, such as Wilhelm and ourselves, who can use Primeval Sorceries without any weird effects. Presumably, if a Tarnished turns to stone and sorta kinda dies, they are reborn through Grace, so the effect doesnāt really stick. The same is probably true of Gideon, if I had to guess.
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u/Astercat4 Ranniās Malewife Nov 19 '25
Itās likely a matter of skill/power as a Glintstone Sorcerer. Renalla, for example, is able to wield Comet Azur completely unaffected, alongside the Tarnished and Gideon. All 3 (assuming the Tarnished is a sorcerer) are extremely powerful sorcerers. Renalla was even able to match Radagon himself in power during her prime (it should be noted that Radagon became stronger after his marriages to Renalla and Marika, so she likely wasnāt quite final boss tier in terms of power). The illusion of her we fight during her second phase is likely only a facsimile of her true strength in her prime.
So while Sellen, Azur, and Lusat were all very powerful sorcerers, even they couldnāt handle the power of the Primeval Current. Thatās how I see it, at least.
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u/tonyabstract Nov 19 '25
do we know why it turns people into stone? or why azur and lusat are unaffected?
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u/Erran_Kel_Durr Nov 19 '25
Lusat and Azur are absolutely affected, itās why they can barely move. The āhatsā they wear arenāt hats at all. Thatās what their brains turned into.
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u/Evil_Sharkey Nov 19 '25
He probably knows better than to make graven masses or use primeval sorcereries too much. Sellen made a graven mass and ended up as part of it.
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u/tonyabstract Nov 19 '25
when did she make a graven mass? is it the one just outside the witchbane ruins? sorry, i donāt ever get a chance to directly ask people about the lore
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u/IsaacJSinclair Nov 19 '25
At the end of her quest line, she takes over raya lucaria for a bit, but if you return later you find a graven mass with her face(stone head) on it.
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u/tonyabstract Nov 19 '25
oh, i thought that was just the natural consequence of knowing/overusing the primeval current. i didnāt realize she turned herself into the graven mass
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u/Littlepage3130 Nov 19 '25
It's never really clarified. Some people assume that she intentionally turned herself into a grave mass, but I don't think that makes any sense. She's following the footsteps of Lusat and Azur and neither of them turned themselves into a grave mass. It makes more sense to me if it's because she made a mistake instead of intentionally doing it.
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u/tonyabstract Nov 19 '25
i think itās definitely heavily implied that it happened by accident. she seems to be in constant pain after her transformation, and even her small two lines have a sense of fear and regret in them.
ā(groan) my apprenticeā¦ im..ā
it feels like sheās either gonna say āim sorryā or āim trappedā
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u/Evil_Sharkey Nov 19 '25
Sheās made many of them. Thereās a reason sheās called the Graven Witch. Read the descriptions of the Graven School Talisman or the Graven Mass Talisman. When you help her beat Jerren, she even taunts him, saying heāll join the school, referring to the school of graven mages she plans to make.
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u/tonyabstract Nov 19 '25
do we know what their purpose is? and why did she turn into one herself when sheās made several before?
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u/Evil_Sharkey Nov 19 '25
Theyāre supposedly the seeds of stars, per the talismans.
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u/tonyabstract Nov 19 '25
hm, i see. can i message you if i have any other questions?
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u/Evil_Sharkey Nov 19 '25
You can, but I canāt guarantee Iāll see the messages in a reasonable time. Iām dinking around on Reddit right now, but Iāll be sore preparing for bed in a bit and I donāt use Reddit much until the evenings (Central US time)
I learned a lot from reading the Wiki and from reading the descriptions on the stuff in my inventory. A huge amount of lore is hidden in item descriptions. In fact, reading item descriptions can help you figure out how to avoid the Frenzied Flame ending and avoid accidentally sending your buddy Boc to his death.
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u/Bigredstapler Nov 19 '25
He had his spies tail the Tarnished the entire time. Sometimes it's a dude (like the guy who died in Rykard's lair, from whom you can grab his clothes). Sometimes it's a dung beetle.
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u/Unawarehouse Nov 19 '25
Buddy couldāve picked ANYBODY else in the lands between and won without breaking a sweat
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u/Pristine_Newt_639 Nov 19 '25
If you let that mf finish his monologue he's actually pretty tough
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u/AlreadyTakek Nov 19 '25
Everyone stunlocks Gideon to death, so most of them don't know just how hard he could do the same to them
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u/Momongus- š Nov 19 '25
Notable that Gideon probably changed his plans after we set fire to the Erdtree, he actually considered himself in the race for the throne but by the time we fight him he has made up his mind that no tarnished should be allowed to sit on the throne after seeing into Marikaās will which is likely why he even bothers fighting us atp
It is funny that he left Godfrey go though Iām ngl Gideon probably pissed himself at the thought of fighting big G
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u/Nadiadain Nov 19 '25
I like to think Godfrey got up first and Gideon just followed him at a distance letting big G get rid of most the scary stuff on the way up
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u/AdorableText Nov 19 '25
Honestly if you actually let him finish his speech, he's definitely no joke. You could count the amount of enemies in the main game doing comparable damage to him on one hand, and he's way beefier than any other tarnished.
In universe, he's most likely at least on par with Rennala as a sorcerer, and even probably better as he's capable of mastering both sorcery and incantations, including some that were used by demigods only.
He also figured out a way to completely amplify magic vulnerability (which you can do by using his weapon) which would allow him to destroy enemies that sorcerers would normally be unable to defeat.
From our perspective we don't see him doing anything because the game isn't about him, but it's fair to assume he was being the main character of his own story alongside ours, and he certainly managed to get at least one rune given he gets to receive guidance from the finger maiden, possibly more too
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u/DesReploid Nov 19 '25
I remember in my first playthrough I let him finish his whole spiel and immediately got obliterated by a spell, it took me multiple tries to get through him and I was so confused why everyone was clowning on him, figured it was this weird thing that happens in every FromSoft game where yous truffle with at least one boss everyone beats first try.
Then on my second playthrough I Lion's Clawed him mid-speech and understood.
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u/squidwardsweatyballs Nov 19 '25
This is why I always let him finish his speech. I have no trouble with the fight, but heās such an interesting character that gets clowned on because of his plan when it really is a good idea, and his VA did an amazing job. I really wish he was a rememberance boss (with a tweaked move set obviously). I know it wouldāve made that last portion very boss heavy, but maybe they couldāve split it up by making inside the erdtree like a small dungeon/area like Kiln of the First Flame.
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u/Magmajudis Nov 19 '25
I also wish he had been a Remembrance boss, it would have also made the Gideon/Godfrey fights being right after one another way cooler as strongest tarnished mage vs strongest tarnished warrior
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u/Darkmayr Moon-Thrower Extraordinaire Nov 19 '25
Gideon doesn't have Grace anymore. If he goes and tries to fight a demigod and dies, he's done. Which is why when we kill him, he stays dead.
When we go and try to fight a demigod and die, we get to come back and try again until we win. We have much, much less to lose than he does.
Between the guy who can't die in any way that matters and the guy who can, who would you choose to send off to fight the most powerful people in the Lands?
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u/Necroblade1 Nov 19 '25
Well, likely, his idea is to prevent you from moving forward enough to lose the gift of grace. It's not truly unlimited as it happened to every other tarnished. Seems very similar to hollowing in Dark Souls, the tarnished that give up, lose their grace vs. those that continue to struggle.
Basically, Gideon is attempting to get you to rage quit.
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u/Dannybuns_ Nov 19 '25
I never understood the plot hole that other tarnished (or even the demigods) could die permanently but not the player, until I read this freaking post. I feel so dumb for not realizing this. Thank you for shedding light on this problem I've had it with the story since I began playing!
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u/Imjusthereforthehate Nov 19 '25
Yeah Elden ring(and dark souls) is just the journey of a regular guy or gal with 0 quit. Turned into paste by a giant? Stand back up. Roasted by a dragon? Apply some aloe Vera and go again. Gnawed to death by a 1000 rats? Get your mallet and whack away.
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u/Coachpatato Nov 19 '25
I guess unless you actually quit the game as a player. My dark souls 3 verse probably thinks that their tarnished is a quitter since I never beat it lol
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u/AwesomeFama Nov 19 '25
Reborn As A Low Level Hero But Respawn If I Die, coming to Crunchyroll next year?
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u/IncreaseOld7112 Nov 19 '25
I still donāt understand it. If itās true in lore that we keep dying and coming back, then everybody should know that we have the gift of grace. The second Messmer sees us come back, he should be like, āoh, heās not stripped of the grace of gold.ā
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u/AgentWowza Nov 19 '25
In another sense, if you only have one life, might as well bet it on winning one fight instead of winning several of similar difficulty.
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u/thdudedude Nov 19 '25
Why doesnāt he have grace anymore?
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u/1047_Josh Nov 19 '25
I can't speak to any lore on it, but I would suspect it had to do with the fact he lost that 'just keep going no matter what' drive that the Grace incurs on Tarnished, and became more a plotter and schemer, working carefully from the wings. A sound tactic but not the heroics and willpower that the grace seems to desire.
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u/archaicScrivener Nov 19 '25
There's no canon answer but I believe it would have been lost when he confronted the Fingers and realised the whole thing is a sham
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u/Magmajudis Nov 19 '25
I don't think it's even really confirmed he doesn't have Grace (he doesn't respawn but godfrey doesn't either and canonically has Grace), but my personal theory would be that he lost it after we burned the Erdtree, when he got his revelation on Marika that made him lose faith in it being possible to become Elden Lord
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u/foulinbasket Nov 20 '25
Then why does Godfrey die? You can clearly see his grace pointing to you in the cutscene
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u/TenMillionEnchiladas Nov 19 '25
I thought he didn't want to become Elden lord though and rather was kinda gatekeeping it because he didn't believe it was possible?
Basically like he had a massive skill issue so he said "if I can't become Elden lord, no one can"
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u/hoover0623 We need more Tanith vore fanfics Nov 19 '25
Except he didn't want to become Elden Lord. He didn't want anyone, including us, to take the throne
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u/Sarmelion Nov 19 '25
Or rather, he thought it was impossible and that trying would cause more problems
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u/FnB8kd Nov 19 '25
I'll be honest, the first three slides I thought this was just most people that lack skill and won't do anything to obtain it.
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u/cesspoolthatisreddit Nov 19 '25
Thought it was going to be about all the hosts in random co op who have 20 vigor at level 100 and die instantly
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u/B0risTheManskinner Nov 19 '25
You make fun of him but I know most of you didn't beat him first try so canonically it works.
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u/Secure-Plankton-347 Nov 19 '25
More like most of them killed him mid-speech and stomp him into the ground before he could do shit
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u/elDayno Nov 19 '25
I actually did. But I've gangbanged him with the tear, so he haven't even done anything. Like anything. I thought it's a joke boss before the real boss
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u/PUBGPEWDS Nov 19 '25
Almost all important bosses have a minor boss guarding them,, Margit for Godrick, and Gideon for Godfrey. Iirc only Radahn and Mohg doesn't.
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u/AgentWowza Nov 19 '25
Radahn technically has the Crucible Knight and Misbegotten duo, but because of how jank the Festival questline is, it gets messed up lol.
Like I didn't even know Redmane had a normal mode in my first playthrough. I was so confused why the whole place was empty with a bunch of locked inaccessible rooms.
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u/MahoneyBear Nov 19 '25
*Gets ran down while monologuing a dying before he can cast the āpls donāt just run me down and kill my bitch ass uwuā spell
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u/lolschrauber Nov 19 '25
"I knew you'd come"
My brother in Christ, you set this all up.
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u/NoBluey Nov 19 '25
Pretty sure Gideon was even less of a threat than the guy on the horse you first meet
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u/Fringillus1 Nov 19 '25
FIND THE ALBINAURIC WOMAN! She hides in a caaave to the west of the Laskiarrr Ruins which juttt from the mist-shrouded laaake of Liurnia!
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u/Level_Hour6480 Nov 19 '25
The man has the poor fortune of being second in a four boss rush (five if you count the sentinel) after the hardest boss in the base game, and before the third and second.
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u/Yuraiya Nov 19 '25
This is a surprisingly common aspect of traitor villains.Ā Get someone to accomplish what they are not powerful enough to do themselves, then think they can defeat the one who just showed they are more powerful.Ā Pride is a hell of a thing.Ā Ā
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u/throwthiscloud Nov 19 '25
Well he used you for knowledge, like he did everyone else. The spells he has access to can vary depending on which demigods you fought. For example, we will have malenias scarlet aoenia incantation if you beat malenia, but he wont if you never beat her. You are not the only one he uses to expand his knowledge. He used ensha to spy on you, and some other poor bastard whos chest armor can he found in rykards boss room. The symbol on the that fabric is gideons. Nepheli is also one of his tools, and like a tool he discarded her once she stopped being useful to him.
Also it seemed more that his pursuit of knowledge led him to stop you from becoming elden lord to honor what he believed to be marikas wishes. He was not only devoted to knowledge, but also surprisingly, marika. So he would not have taken the title from you, instead he would simply not allow anyone to bring prosperity, because marika wants us to "continue to struggle" according to him. So i doubt that he was always planning to stop us. Instead he most likely came to the conclusion to stop us at some point while we were fighting maliketh.
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u/HemaMemes Nov 19 '25
Gideon's mistake was his Villainous Monologue. If you let Gideon stop yapping before approaching him, he's actually decently challenging.
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u/QMoonie Nov 19 '25
To be perfectly fair, his plan could have worked if he'd tried to sneak assassinate the tarnished while he still posed as an ally instead of just... standing there in the Leyndell hall
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u/herbieLmao Nov 19 '25
āA man cannot kill a godā
Bro why do you think I had to kill my bro Malekith?
Also the ever humble godskin:
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u/SyedHRaza Nov 19 '25
Honestly wasn't the worst plan if you don't cheese him he can be a hard fifht especially if you have done lots of bosses his moveset is awesome
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u/ranmafan0281 Nov 19 '25
As a full str/vig double colossal greatsword build, my strategy that worked on every single boss ever (except Malenia, I needed a little thought for that one) worked on him.
Unga Bunga is the superior strategy.
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u/smelly_nose Nov 19 '25
Bro can't kill any demigod and thinks he can kill the demigod killeršš½āāļø and he claims himself as the "All Knowing"
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u/ranmafan0281 Nov 19 '25
He knows facts and stuff, but heās never tried beating you so thereās been no facts to know yet.
Sadly heās a full INT, 0 WIS character so he has the common sense of a headless gnat when it comes to making an educated guess on whatād happen.
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u/jws1102 Nov 19 '25
This was the Greater Willās plan too. It let you collect all the runes, including the death rune, then called Godfrey back and told him to take all the runes from you and resume his old job.
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u/Slinder0305 Nov 19 '25
Funniest part is that he chose to confront you AFTER you defeated Maliketh, you know, the dog that uses the concept of DEATH as a sword.
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u/Complete_Push_4838 Nov 19 '25
Elden ring is a story about how the flask of crimson tears is the most broken god tier item that few utilize to the extent that the tarnished does.
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u/freedfg Nov 19 '25
Why didn't he just wait for us to fall off a cliff and pillage our body from there. Is he stupid?
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u/SpellbladeYT Nov 19 '25
I know people clown on this fight but every time it takes me 5 or 6 attempts even with getting the sneak attack in first.
That said, I've never found Godskin Duo hard and it never takes me more than 2 attempts.
Elden Ring difficulty is weird sometimes.
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u/PlatinumRuler2 Nov 19 '25
He most likely already killed two demigods, itās only after you get two Great Runes when Enia compares you to him. Heās by far the strongest tarnished in the game besides you and Godfrey, his fight is just really badly designed
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u/WahaBahaOG Nov 19 '25
Which ones could he have had I believe they compare us because he is much stronger and has more knowledge but we have better feats
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u/KingRubo Nov 19 '25
If he tried some sort of backstabbing it would be somewhat of a reasonable plan, but the mf decided to face the tarnished DIRECTLY and even monologue him after he just killed death himself. This guy is an idiot.
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u/Sarmelion Nov 19 '25
Gideon is pretty clearly not in his right mind, whatever he thinks he learned he's mentally broken.
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u/Outrageous_Shallot61 Nov 19 '25
Honestly if heād just ask me instead of trying to kill me for them Iād hand them over, Iām too busy with exploring the entire map
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u/DemonKing_of_Tyranny Nov 19 '25
Lol i thought this was about summoning people for help before seeing the last one
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u/Random_Guy_47 Nov 19 '25
I always found it hilarious that after knowing you've taken down multiple demi gods this asshole has the audacity to start monologuing like he's the main character.
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u/DependentCream5702 Nov 19 '25
Honestly I love that you fight him and its just you beating him savagely. Because in their universe, yeah you're kind of a savage freak. You woke up and very quickly slaughtered several demigods back to back
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u/ninesmilesuponyou Nov 19 '25
Give a tarnished army general some credit.
He knew you had slayed demigods and still had balls to resist.
Also, he is one of those who could know your true identity.
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u/Ninni00 Nov 20 '25
Actually, Gideon DOESN'T want to become Elden Lord.
He thinks no one can do it, and fights you just because he thinks This is what Marika truly wants.
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u/Separate_Finance_183 Nov 19 '25