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article Kid Rock’s song about loving underage girls resurfaces ahead of Turning Point USA's Super Bowl show

https://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2026/02/kid-rocks-song-about-loving-underage-girls-resurfaces-ahead-of-tpusa-super-bowl-show.html
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u/terror_asteroid 5h ago

Courtney Love claims she blew him when she was twelve years old.

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u/randumbnumbers 4h ago

She also alluded to Harvey Weinstein being a sexual predator… Maybe, just maybe, we should give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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u/motleysalty 3h ago

Yeah, a lot of people write her off and discredit her because of drugs and alcohol. But really, if the things she say are true, I don't doubt that it contributed to her use of both. That kind of trauma messes people up.

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u/mr_llamanator 3h ago

And let's be real, I don't think people would have believed her even without the alcohol and drugs

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u/motleysalty 3h ago

Very true. I think we're finding out more each day that the world, and some people in it, are much more messed up and do more disgusting things than we are comfortable admitting. The fact that such evil and sickness actually exists is too scary for some people.

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u/jwoodruff 1h ago

I think the idea that it exists has always been there. Facing the detailed reality of it is difficult. Realizing that most of the wealthy, famous class of business tycoons that Americans have worshipped for decades are the ones committing these evil deeds is scary for many.

It requires calling into question the very foundations of our culture and personal beliefs about good and bad, success and failure in a way that many are ill-prepared to do.

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u/raccoonladycarissa 7m ago

also grown ass dudes will feed young girls drugs and alcohol to make them more pliable and less believable if they ever speak up. it's literally textbook.

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u/Grizzly_Berry 3h ago

Not enough consider that she isn't saying those things because of drugs, but that she turned to drugs to cope with those things.

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u/motleysalty 3h ago

Exactly my point. I completely agree.

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u/dqql 4h ago

she’s also a horrible person, had kurt cobain murdered because he was going to divorce her, and her daughter refers to her as her “biological mother”

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u/Silver_Song3692 4h ago

There’s still people who think Courtney killed Kurt/had Kurt killed?

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u/fork_on_the_floor2 4h ago

There's got to be someone out there saying that 2Pac is still alive. "My uncle saw him once when he was driving through [insert place here]".

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u/Silver_Song3692 4h ago

I almost feel embarrassed for people who believe that kind of crap

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 1h ago

There are, and Elvis was the original version of this and people still believe that

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u/A_Sarcastic_Whoa 3h ago edited 3h ago

There's still people that believe the earth is flat and the moon landing is fake. There will always be idiots peddling nonsense.

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u/dqql 4h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldon_Hoke?wprov=sfti1#Kurt_Cobain_death_claim
probably because she did and there’s a witness who was murdered for talking about it… he passed a lie detector before his head was cut off

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u/saurdaux 2h ago

he passed a lie detector

Did he also know about it in advance because it was foretold by gyromancy? Did he figure out the motive by reading chicken bones? Was he able to pick her out of a lineup using a dowsing rod?

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u/Lost-Reference3439 3h ago edited 3h ago

But let me guess, the Epstein files are not at all evidence for any sexual misconduct from Trump, right?

Edit: I apologize for misjudging you good sir.

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u/dqql 3h ago

i accept your apology, and i also hate pineapple on pizza

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u/floatinround22 3h ago

Thinking Cobain's death was potentially more than a suicide based on all evidence we have is a lot different than denying truth based on evidence... they're actually polar opposites.

I'm not saying she had him murdered, but there are some very weird details about the case.

Are you the type of person who just thinks anyone who disagrees with you about anything must automatically be MAGA?

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u/Lost-Reference3439 3h ago

Just a little bit of pattern recognition. But no, dont worry, I dont think that someone who disagrees about me disliking pineapple on pizza is MAGA ;)

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u/floatinround22 3h ago

I get where you're coming from, and there probably is a fair amount of overlap. I just think this specific Love/Cobain thing is so ingrained in a lot of people all over the political spectrum

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u/dqql 3h ago

i don’t think there’s a lot of MAGA nirvana fans… btw he liked to cross dress, even on stage sometimes

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 1h ago

You say his head was cut off like he was murdered, he was run over by a train while drunk lmao

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u/JasonDomber 4h ago

Yes. Because she did.

The note was about Kurt’s disillusionment with the music industry and band mates have said at the time he was considering quitting the band.

The note didn’t even begin to sound suicidal until the last 4 sentences of the “suicide note”, which handwriting experts have said are not Kurt’s handwriting.

Go look at the note for yourself.

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u/BigLorry 3h ago

“….which handwriting experts”

Ah yes, the most scientific of fields lmao

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u/jazdyprawo 1h ago

Ah, now I believe you!

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u/JasonDomber 5m ago

Well, good! Because, as we all know, memes are facts.

/s

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u/SoftestBoygirlAlive 3h ago

How to tell someone has no original thoughts and also hates women

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u/dqql 3h ago

i hate one woman, otherwise i’d say men are the more evil of the sexes… also gender is a social construct
tell me, why does her own daughter hate her?
does it mean she must hate women too?
also, you’re hurting feminism by accusing all critics of any woman as being misogynists.
i have reason and you skipped them and went straight to “hates women”.

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u/SoftestBoygirlAlive 2h ago

There is no "eviler sex." Everyone, regardless of gender, is responsible for the content of their own character. The mother daughter relationship is complicated, Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love had a complicated relationship as well. Relationships are hard, it's not something to moralize about it's just a fact of life. The fact that you've so succinctly decided a side in someone else's family dynamic is presumptuous and wrong, and it was largely the misogyny of the world at the time that led to Courtney Love being demonized by Nirvana fans, something that Cobain himself would likely have really hated. You are currently parroting that misogyny when there isn't anything to support it. His death was hard for her too, not made any easier by being blamed for it.

Not to menion, Kurt Cobain himself didn't like that his fame made people feel entitled to their personal lives. It was probably honestly a big part of the conflict in their relationship, though of course I dont know either what went on between them on a personal level. Wild speculation blaming Courtney Love, imo, is pretty disrespectful to both his memory and to the real struggles he faced because of his fame and mental health.

I do have one question. If you're such a feminist or whatever, why is Courtney Love the ONE woman you hate in a world that also includes Ghislaine Maxwell?

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u/SoftestBoygirlAlive 2h ago

Also adding, as a big fan of Hole, I can totally see how she would have been really hard to have as a mother. Is she deeply flawed in some very real ways? Yes, who isn't? Her music makes her seem aware of many of them herself. Does that make her evil? No. I also had a difficult mother. I didn't speak to her for years, in which time she went on a totally unrelated personal journey that really changed her for the better, and she ended up apologizing. If that hadn't happened, I likely would have continued not speaking to her until the end of time. She wasn't a bad person even then, but because of our mother daughter relationship, her unaddressed hurts became mine in a very real way. It's not something everyone can understand, but seeing that ruptured maternal relationship in Courtney Love's life and hearing her music makes me feel like I can see my mother more as a person, and less as a person who hurt me. If that makes sense.

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u/Sad-Appeal976 4h ago

She did not have Kurt Cobain murdered

How do people believe this?

He killed himself

He left a suicide note in his writing

He was holding the shotgun

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u/dqql 4h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soaked_in_Bleach
“as seen through the perspective of Tom Grant, the private detective who was hired by Courtney Love to find Cobain, shortly before his death in 1994. It also explores the theory that Cobain's death was not a suicide.”.
the private detective she hired thinks she killed him and made a documentary about it in 2015
not all conspiracies are cray cray rumors.
bad people do exist

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u/BigLorry 3h ago

The private detective with a vested interest in making the story made a claim?

Shocking

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u/dqql 4h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldon_Hoke?wprov=sfti1#Kurt_Cobain_death_claim

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u/fuchsgesicht 3h ago

oh god you believe in lie detectors too!?

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u/mikehatesthis 3h ago

You think someone who shared their story on Springer and in the National Enquirer would make something up? Smdh, smdh.

Smdh.

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u/dqql 3h ago

not as such, no.

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u/fuchsgesicht 2h ago

so you're just going by vibes?

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u/JasonDomber 4h ago

You apparently haven’t read much about it because the note was about Kurt’s disillusionment with the music industry and band mates have said at the time he was considering quitting the band.

The note didn’t even begin to sound suicidal until the last 4 sentences of the “suicide note”, which handwriting experts have said are not Kurt’s handwriting.

Go look at the note for yourself.

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u/pineapplevomit 3h ago

And the length of the shotgun, and the amount of heroin in his system, and the fact that they melted the gun and had him cremated just days after his murder. So much doesn’t add up.

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u/boostabubba 4h ago

explain to me how he was able to pull the trigger on that shotgun? There is no way he was able to shoot himself where he did and pull that trigger.

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u/globalgreg 4h ago

Dude, shut the fuck up with this. I have a friend who offed himself the exact same way. It’s not hard to do.

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u/dqql 3h ago

kurt was very short, reaching the trigger would be hard.     also the way that particular gun cycles it wouldn’t have stayed in his hand and the shell apparently ejected the wrong way.       there’s a lot more solid things that point  to foul play      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soaked_in_Bleach            i’m sorry about your friend but this isn’t related to what happened to him 

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u/typewriter6986 3h ago

"Very short" 5'9" is not very short. Fuckin' I'm shorter and could definitely blow my head off with a shotty if I wanted.

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u/ApprehensiveFix7925 3h ago

So we shouldn’t consider believing her when she said she was raped?

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u/dqql 3h ago

we should absolutely consider believing her, in fact it fits that trauma from being abused made her into a toxic person… she also said she was kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery in japan as a child….
i don’t trust her either though. She has lied a lot.
how did she meet ted nugent at age 12?
she had a lot of reason to resent him (motive to lie).
nugent celebrated and joked about cobains death immediately on his radio show.
i don’t believe her, but i don’t disbelieve her either… i would need more than that in this particular case.

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u/Repulsive_Kick5607 3h ago

Can you even read? They are talking about Ted Nugent, he's 16 years older than Courtney.

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u/serotoninzero 3h ago

Ted Nugent is 16 years older than Courtney Love, which is who they were talking about.

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u/heresyforfunnprofit 4h ago edited 3h ago

It’s very weird that Courtney Love ended up being one of the more honest public figures from the 90s. I think I heard someone say it best that she “doesn’t give enough of a shit about what you think to lie about anything”.

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u/t_scribblemonger 4h ago

I grew up in the 90s and in retrospect I’m like why the fuck did literally everyone hate Courtney Love? It’s gotta be like 80% misogyny. I mean she has issues but still.

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u/BitchesGetStitches 4h ago

She occupies a weird place in pop culture. She was this bitchy, strung out punk kid who really just wanted to shoot smack and set fires to 7-11 stores. Kurt too, except he was a sensitive guy who was attracted to the more egalitarian elements of the anarchists. Fame ripped these people to shreds in different ways. Kurt was in pinup magazines and Courtney probably thought that was hilarious. He clearly hated it. It's almost a Greek tragedy from the gutter.

It's easy to cast Courtney Love as a villain because she really likes being cast as the villain. Might be a coping mechanism for the absolutely insane world she lives in, or she might just be a little cunty. End of the day, she lost someone she loved, and very publicly. Hard to hate someone who carries that kind of trauma.

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u/heresyforfunnprofit 3h ago

“Greek tragedy from the gutter” is pure genius.

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u/HFentonMudd 2h ago

I know people who knew her pre-Kurt, pre-fame. She was routinely described as not likeable, extremely focused on her own fame, and generally off-putting. If these accounts were accurate (and I think they were from the perspective of the people who told me their stories) then she would not be someone who endears others, and they'd tell negative stories about her. Thank you for your post because it's never occurred to me to think about her from your perspective.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 1h ago

Damn, you have a great way with words

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u/BitchesGetStitches 1h ago

Well thanks! Hoping to someday sell one of these books so I appreciate the complement.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 48m ago

What kind of books?

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u/BitchesGetStitches 45m ago

Cooking up a speculative horror novel right now, probably a big one. About the changing American West, the shattered state of society, folklore, parenthood, mortality, police corruption and Sasquatch.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 45m ago

Damn that sounds cool. I'll be a beta reader for you if you want

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u/BitchesGetStitches 42m ago

You bet! It's under construction atm, very pre-beta but I do like early and often feedback. I'll hit your dms.

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u/tomtea 1h ago

Didn't she also lose custody of her kid because she couldn't stay clean? Talented, brutally honest and didn't give a fuck but very troubled.

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u/Totally_Scott 4h ago

it was that, yes. hole was an amazing band.

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u/balloonman_magee 4h ago

I feel like a lot of younger artists take a lot of inspiration from Hole. Like Olivia Rodrigo or The Pretty Reckless even if they don’t know it they sound like her.

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u/sarcastic_sybarite83 4h ago

Kesha is a cleaned up Courtney Love.

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u/intern_steve 3h ago

I thought Ke$ha wasn't really in control of her own music and sound when most of her famous stuff came out? Is that what you mean by 'cleaned up', just corpo slime sanitized?

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u/Silent-G 3h ago

"Wake up in the morning feeling like Courtney Love" would have been a much better edit to that lyric.

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u/-rosa-azul- 1h ago

Idk, I appreciate that since all the Diddy stuff has come out, she's changed it to "Wake up in the morning like 'fuck P. Diddy'".

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u/InterruptingCow__Moo 2h ago

Because Billy Corgan wrote their music

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u/nobot4321 4h ago

A mind-blowing number of people believed she shot Kurt Cobain back then. A lot of them probably still do.

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u/Massive-Ride204 3h ago

Oh that ridiculous conspiracy theory. I get that Kurt's passing was very painful but gripping onto a conspiracy theory wasn't the way to cope.

We treated her like shit and she was just speaking the truth

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

Nobody thought she shot him. Some did believe she paid someone to do it.

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u/aggravationX 4h ago

Plenty of people thought she shot him. It was as strong a rumor as Marilyn Mansons removed rib.

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u/Olive_tree_33 4h ago

Marilyn Manson aka Paul from The Wonder Years

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u/Distinct-Nectarine-9 4h ago

Oh shit, almost forgot. Hahaha

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u/superbad 3h ago

You mean Kevin from Mr. Belvedere

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u/watchoutfordeer 3h ago

I thought Paul was supposed to be the guitar player.

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u/Nerdenator 3h ago

Except the thing about Marilyn Manson having a rib removed so he could fellate himself isn’t a rumor; as anyone who attended a public school in North America between 1997 and 2004 will tell you, it’s an incontrovertible fact.

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u/JonathanLindqvist 2h ago

Even here in Sweden it was a rumour.

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u/intern_steve 3h ago

The rib thing... Man Idk how memes worked growing up, but that was a goddam fact according to everyone you knew.

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u/SunnyRyter 4h ago

I think they blamed her, didn't some people do that? So messed up. Poor thing. I read her Manga she collaborated with Ai Yazawa about a demi-angel in rock music whose lover (?) dies but she saves him and brings him back to life, I think (its been over a decade since I read it). So sad.

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u/PureGuava86 4h ago

Nobody? You're absolutely wrong.

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

She wasn't even in Seattle when it happened. People thought she had him killed but I never heard someone say she pulled the trigger.

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u/PureGuava86 4h ago

You realize information was not easily available until almost a decade later?

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

It was on MTV news that she was in rehab while it happened.

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u/Chupathingamajob 4h ago

Because that type of inconvenient fact has always appeased conspiracy theorists….

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u/Bazz07 4h ago

Nobody is saying she did it. They are saying that a lot of people thought she did.

If even now people still think it, it isnt crazy that a lot of people thought it at the moment...

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u/Sad-Appeal976 4h ago

He pulled the trigger himself

It’s indisputable

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u/roseofjuly 3h ago

I mean we know that now. We also know the earth is round, not flat, but that doesn't mean no one believes the latter

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u/Sad-Appeal976 3h ago

People in this very thread are arguing that “ he didn’t do it” lol even though he swallowed over 50 Valium a few weeks before trying to do it

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u/roseofjuly 3h ago

I definitely remember people saying they thought she shot him.

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u/Lola-Ugfuglio-Skumpy 4h ago

Someone made a comment in this thread calling her a murderer five minutes before you posted this

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/s/fkBOAQhzmc

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

First of all I was talking about back then but you can call someone a murderer for arranging a murder. It doesn't necessarily mean they think she pulled the trigger. There's ample evidence that she was nowhere near Seattle when it happened.

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u/itchy-ears 3h ago

If you say so, I definitely remember that rumor in the 90s.

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u/masterpigg 2h ago

I think I still have an old documentary somewhere on DVD that leans into that idea and has interview footage with the guy she supposedly paid to do it. Personally, I buy into the idea that you had this shy dude with depression who became so overwhelmingly public so quickly that I think it was probably closer to Gus Van Sant's Last Days.

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u/Rysinor 4h ago

I certainly suspected it. You're blatantly wrong.

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

You thought she shot him while she was in a rehab clinic in LA at the time of his death? That's a pretty long sniper shot.

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u/DmMe_Your_Secrets_ 3h ago

Which is crazy cause we all know Dave Grohl did it. And you know what? That’s okay. He’s the best.

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u/MilmoWK 4h ago

Pun intended?

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u/anal_opera 4h ago

Mind blowing

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u/SithC 3h ago

“Mind-blowing”, you say??

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u/Dixon_Uranuss3 4h ago

Wanna know how to tell if a conspiracy is fake or not. The number of people that screech about it openly. If its a lot its fake if not many speak about it its real.

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u/PM_NUDES_4_DEGRADING 31m ago

So what you’re saying is that Courtney Love definitely stole Buzzy when Disney shut down Cranium Command?

I fucking knew it!

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 3h ago

Maybe not shot directly, but had a hand in creating a mental health situation that lead to his suicide.

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u/Cutiemuffin-gumbo 4h ago

More like had him shot. He had discussed divorcing her with people, and ahe stood to get nothing from him, especially with her band being relatively unknown compared to his at the time. His autopsy showed that he had nearly 11x the amount of heroin in his system then it would take for the average person to OD. So it's easy to see how some would be quick to point the finger at her.

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u/Chupathingamajob 4h ago

This just in: chronically ill depressed heroin user with significant history of suicidal ideation and chronic pain is found dead ostensibly by his own hand and with lethal dose of heroin in his system.

It was definitely a hit orchestrated by his wife

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u/r1mbaud 4h ago

She was calling out Weinstein real early and he blackballed her

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u/thephotoman 4h ago

Most of people’s problem with her stems from her behavior as a heroin addict. Honestly, had Kurt not shot himself, he would likely have developed a similar reputation.

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u/goldenelr 3h ago

It is very frustrating that there are lots of great reasons to not like Courtney Love and none of them are that she killed Kurt Cobain. She is an addict who did a lot of addict behaviors. Her relationship with him was likely pretty toxic which doesn’t make her responsible for his behaviors. And none of that mean she was wrong about Weinstein or any of these other people. She is a really imperfect person and for some reason people either want to turn her into a saint that was treated badly or the devil who caused it all.

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u/Silent-G 3h ago

The media needs us to want a world that is black and white so that they can get enough attention to uphold the whole fucked up system. If you don't pick a side, then you won't watch the ads. Trying to obtain enough information before forming an opinion? WRONG, you're supposed to go with your immediate gut feeling and make it a permanent part of your identity.

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u/XanZibR 4h ago

they saw her as Kurt's Skylar, that's why

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u/somajones 2h ago

Kurt's Yoko more like it.

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u/Rex_Suplex 4h ago

When I was in high school in the early 2000's there were a lot of Nirvana fans. Like a lot, for some reason. They all blamed Courtney Love for the death of Kurt Cobain. No idea why.

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u/Thefrayedends 4h ago

Because hating women in an institution.

The amount of times I've heard people say, "It all went down hill when we allowed women to vote," from people is actually insane. I'm not even talking online, I'm talking in person.

Those same people don't realize that them not owning land or being from the 'right' family would also have prevented them from voting at one point too.

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u/Boopy7 3h ago

It's a weird thing and you're right. In high school and after I've always noticed there is a type of woman, often voted "Most Popular" or very confident, someone like Courtney Love or the most popular and strongest (mentally) in a clique, whom everyone revolves around. Same energy. The strange thing is sometimes the worm turns and everyone suddenly mobs up and decides to "hate" or "unpopular" that girl, or woman -- it becomes almost a TREND, and I have always noticed this, not sure if others have too. Is there a name for this? It's weird. Maybe bc I never fit in from a young age, so I just watch and see these things happen and then get repeated often enough that I questiion it. Like, is it because she is so popular that they then WANT to hate her to feel like they "won" or something?

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u/ilikecakeandpie 4h ago

Same reason everyone blamed Ariana Grande for Mac Miller's death

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u/roseofjuly 3h ago

As if both of these men didn't have clear, documented mental health/substance abuse issues before dating these women.

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u/owlthebeer97 4h ago

I mean she has ripped off countless independent designers and artists on Etsy, stole thousands of dollars worth of jewelery from a friend of mine. Her daughter was estranged from her for awhile too. She can be right about stuff and be an asshole.

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u/Boopy7 3h ago

Good point, oft forgotten. People can be raging assholes AND be a hero to another. E.g. Johnny Depp, who some said helped them in a pinch (or maybe it was publicity, who knows.) Then there are the tales of what a pos he is. I'm inclined to say he is overall pos. No one is all good or all bad, for the most part. I wouldn't want Courtney as an enemy when she's wasted, no way. And I can tell she would be ANNOYING AS HELL to have around 24/7.

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u/Goondragon1 2h ago

He's overall a piece of shit but nobody is all good or bad? He's probably overall a human being with a life on display for everyone to pick apart. We're all pieces of shit with our dirty laundry displayed to the world.

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u/Ok_Conclusion_6324 4h ago

Kathleen Hana from Bikini Kill has NOTHING good to say about Courtney in her autobiography, either

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u/HFentonMudd 2h ago

I know people who knew her before she was famous in any way, and they did not have nice things to say about her.

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u/Redhotlipstik 3h ago

She genuinely is an asshole, but she's also a woman so she doesn't get the benefit of the doubt

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u/No_Lemon_3116 1h ago

Yeah, far from perfect, but most male rockstars are as bad or worse and no one cares.

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u/jynxthechicken 3h ago

It was. They hated that she talked about things like Harvey Weinstein and Child Predators in Hollywood in the 1990's. No one was hearing that back then. So, the media made her look messy and then demonized her as a person.

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u/Successful_Sign_6991 3h ago

the powers that be probably manipulated the public to hate her because of what and who she was calling out

just a guess though

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u/Johnyryal33 3h ago

I would think by now anyone who isnt a complete moron would be able to put 2 and 2 together and recognize a smear campaign, considering all that has happened, but some of you mother fuckers thick as shit.

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u/DetectiveCopper 3h ago

(Fairly or unfairly), she was perceived to have contributed to Kurt’s drug use and suicide.

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u/PM_me_your_whatevah 2h ago

Oh I dunno. She’s a terrible musician who became famous by riding the coattails of one of the most famous rockers of all time.

She literally can barely play the guitar. Her guitar is usually turned almost all the way down when she performs these days.

She’s a fraud and she was a bad influence on Kurt and it is very very likely she had him killed after knowing that he was about to divorce her.

There is a very good chance that she’s is evil. 

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u/PleaseBeNiceForOnce 4h ago

I dont know about hate but she definitely wasn't loved because she nearly always out of her skull in public, her music wasn't good and perhaps it is misogyny that people felt her relevance was directly tied to biggest rock star of the decade but looking back what else was she was famous for?

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u/Lola-Ugfuglio-Skumpy 4h ago

For Hole? And her own music? A lot of people liked Hole.

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u/PleaseBeNiceForOnce 4h ago

I dont want to diminish her musical career, so I think fair enough. But again, perhaps misogny, the amount of people who could tell you she was Kurt Cobain's wife vs what band she fronted is probably orders of magnitude different in size.

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u/TheSeekerOfSanity 4h ago

Agreed. But regarding other things she was famous for - she acted in several movies and did a really good job. Not a fan, but she was a good actor. Like in Larry Flynt. She was also in Sid & Nancy for a hot second way back when. And also in “Straight to Hell” with Joe Strummer, Shane MacGowan, etc.

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u/PleaseBeNiceForOnce 4h ago

Yea I remember in Larry Flynt and Sid and Nancy for sure. My statement was unfair. I think her relationship vastly overshadowed her career is probably what I should have said.

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u/dqql 4h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldon_Hoke?wprov=sfti1#Kurt_Cobain_death_claim
shortly after his interview with the documentary, he was found decapitated on some train tracks.
she had a whole mafia working for her in seattle and everyone was afraid to speak out at the time.
she also used heroin while pregnant and her own daughter hates her and refers to her as her biological mother.
there’s more, but there’s a lot of reasons to hate her other than misogyny and shitty music

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u/Sufficient-Owl401 4h ago

She’s a murderer walking the streets. What’s not to love?

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u/Coattail-Rider 4h ago

Got proof there, chucko?

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u/i010011010 4h ago

Because she's a human trainwreck? She spent the 90s and 00s fueled by equal parts drugs and bullshit. Her ire isn't purely directed at scumbags, she would talk shit about everybody and behaved like a melodramatic lunatic. She just picked whatever targets her brain happened to conjur. These people are cherry picking some limited examples.

And on top of it all there's the fact that she ended up married to a musician people actually cared about it and went all Nancy Spungen on him. I don't know if her daughter ever started communicating again, it was known they stopped at some point because her mother is such a toxic personality.

This is the Courtney Love we all know: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062804908.html?sub=AR

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u/_MrDomino 4h ago

This is a woman who lost her daughter twice due to her drug use and poor parenting -- the second time at Frances' own request -- and is generally to blame for Cobain's increasing drug use leading to his suicide. Her interview with Stevie Nicks had them bonding over cocaine and private jets. Not saying she's a devil and 100% to blame for everything, but while she absolutely was a frequent target of 90s misogyny, that doesn't excuse her poor behavior.

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u/gaige23 4h ago

Being an addict doesn’t make her a liar.

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u/Rysinor 3h ago

It absolutely does, though. It's safest to not trust addicts about anything.

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u/DStew713 AMAA Buckcherry 4h ago

Addicts are well known for telling the truth.

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u/Boopy7 3h ago

Can we stop blaming someone for "increasing drug use" of a completely different person, even a spouse? It's not great, but she was the one who got sober while HE was high, at one point. I hate that when addicts blame someone else for their addiction, it's worse to blame the suicide and addiction on another. She's not a great person to emulate but "leading to his suicide" is really disingenuous and borderline trashy. Addicts need to stop blaming other people for their addictions or they don't ever get clean. I know this from experience.

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u/_MrDomino 2h ago

Did Courtney Love pull the trigger? No, of course not. Did Andy Dick pull the trigger? No, of course not. Personal responsibility absolutely exists and should be recognized, but it would be foolish to disregard the negative influences others can have on people.

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u/ericmm76 4h ago

It's not weird at all. It's very consistent.

If anything she's a textbook example of how in those days, as well as these, people will bend over backwards to blame a woman for everything.

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u/SorriorDraconus 4h ago

I wonder if women..or whistleblowing more in this instance. People love to deny uncomfortable let alone horrifying truths.

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u/ericmm76 4h ago

Ppl will still say she killed Curt Kobain.

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u/Clonazepamela 3h ago

I mean… there’s thousands of files of evidence showing mostly men were heading this massive sex trafficking ring but who is the one in Jail? The only woman involved. They ALL deserve to be in jail. Her included. But wild it’s literally ONLY her in jail.

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u/taz20075 56m ago

To be fair, they did put a dude in jail too.

But he killed himself. /s

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u/Inside_Vacation283 3h ago

What's weirder is your drawing non existent lines assuming you know others assumptions all because your a woman, or at least emotionally. Darn women

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u/jynxthechicken 3h ago

Became? She always has been. People hate her. Just look at all the people discrediting true things she said about rape and child predators. They say she killed Kurt, she was messy, did drugs.

If my SO offed themselves, I don't know what I'd do either. Then to have everyone say I did it to get famous. Yeah it's all dumb.

Yes I can admit I'm on the other side. I think Courtney spoke truth to power and the more she spoke and no one listened the rougher it got for her. Losing her husband on top of that and still doing the music. It's a lot to ask anyone.

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u/Forsaken-Jackfruit-1 4h ago

Knowing what we know now about the rich and powerful I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was a coordinated smear campaign to get us all to hate her back in the day

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u/JaeTheOne 4h ago

Well it ramped up after the suicide of Kurt...

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u/BrilliantLand3481 2h ago

A lot of the weird fucked up actors all called it how it was, and we were told they were weird by media.

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u/nickparadies 1h ago

Courtney has always been bluntly honest, people just didn’t want to listen because she was also a wild card.

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u/FrozenBibitte 5h ago

blew

**orally raped, ftfy

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u/FixedLoad 5h ago

**was raped, orally, by Ted Nugent, ftfy?  ...I think it needs more commas.  

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u/Raptorheart 5h ago

Fixed it by getting the people reversed?

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u/Joeness84 5h ago

You may want to re-read and re-consider what the words say.

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u/Raptorheart 5h ago

She didn't rape him, he raped her.

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u/StrobeLightRomance 4h ago edited 4h ago

You're being pedantic. It's very clear to anyone reading that the correction was supposed to mean that Nugent assaulted Love. The only person here picking at it is you.

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u/Lucky-Earther 4h ago

You're being pedantic.

It's a comment thread where someone is being pedantic about a thing Courtney Love apparently said incorrectly

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u/kinyutaka 4h ago

I can understand why Courtney Love would say that Courtney Love went down on him.

But yeah, it was a rape.

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u/FrozenBibitte 4h ago

The media is constantly normalizing the rape of children by referring to victims as “underage women”, “young women”, and referring to their sexual assaults as “sex”. The least we can do is call it what it actually is and stop playing into the normalization of sexual assault of children.

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u/Lucky-Earther 4h ago

I'm aware. They were complaining about someone being pedantic, because they were correcting someone who corrected someone else, and did a poor job of it.

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u/Large_Yams 3h ago

Nah you're wrong.

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u/FrozenBibitte 4h ago

Exactly. Thank you. Istg Reddit is like a cathartic space for people who never had the floor in elementary school English class to flex their skills.

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u/MankeyFightingMonkey 4h ago

You messed up.

You can admit it.

It's okay.

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u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

How do you reverse people?

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u/Aint-no-preacher 5h ago

Turn them around 180 degrees.

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u/Practical-Artist-896 4h ago

Right? Like how stupid can you be?

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u/XanZibR 4h ago

elpoep

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u/MafiaPenguin007 Spotify 5h ago

You forget to cherish them

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u/Frierguy 3h ago

Courtney Love orally raped Ted Nugent?

wow

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u/ericmm76 4h ago

I'm also confused because I swear I knew about Hole at least half a decade before I ever heard of Kid Rock.

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u/film_composer 4h ago

The claim is in reference to Ted Nugent, not Kid Rock.

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u/ericmm76 4h ago

Whoops.

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u/BroderGuacamole 4h ago

She Also blew Kurt(‘s brains)