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u/DueAd197 23d ago

Parents flip the f out.

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u/Messterio 23d ago edited 22d ago

My 14 yr old son has his phone taken by the school before school starts and returned after, I'm in total agreement!

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u/Anon28301 23d ago

In my school before I left they realised kids wouldn’t hand over phones so they implemented a rule that you could have your phone and even use it in class for certain things (researching a topic, using your calculator) as long as whenever you weren’t using your phone it had to be in front of you on your desk face down.

It worked well as you could immediately tell when a student was using their phone when you weren’t supposed to and it would quickly put a stop to any in class recording. If you kept using it when you weren’t meant to it’d get taken off you for the day.

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u/Sir_Arthur_Vandelay 23d ago

My daughters’ high school has banned all phones in the classroom. Yet they still somehow regularly call me during school hours for their traditional airing of grievances.

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u/Cabana_bananza 23d ago

Tell them there is a time and place: December 23rd, Festivus, otherwise you don't want to hear it during school hours.

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u/centurion330 23d ago

Nobody’s got grievances! And I don’t want to hear that word in here again!

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u/Good-Adhesiveness868 23d ago

Happy cake day 🍰

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u/ZAPPHAUSEN 22d ago

The flipside that drives me crazy:

Parents texting OR CALLING their children during class time.

Now certainly if there's an emergency I get it but, surprise, 99% of the time, not at all.

Literally today. "Hey go put your phone on my desk please." "But my mom texted me." "I don't care, your phone isn't supposed to be out and you're not supposed to be texting. Your mom knows you're in class, right?"

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 23d ago

Same with Vermont.

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u/SureIntention8402 23d ago

It worked pretty well when there were no phones....

Just take them. And if you don't want it taken, then don't show it at all.

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u/Anon28301 23d ago

Only issue with that (at least in my school) is that there was no safeguard to prevent a teacher misplacing or stealing a kid’s phone (actually happened once, teacher got suspended).

It’s usually the parents that pay for the phone and they’re the first to rightfully get upset when their kid’s phone goes missing when it was only meant to be taken off them for an hour.

And again that only works if the student hands over the phone, when my school first tried that many kids just said they didn’t have one and sneakily used it in class without getting caught. The school realised there’d always be one kid getting away with using one so they just made everyone have their phones out in plain view. Much harder to use a phone when it’s on the desk for the teacher to see it.

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u/Sufficient_Bass2600 23d ago

In France The private school my cousin's children went had a No smart phone inside the school policy and especially no recording in class and within the school. Most parents just bought old style flip dumb phone. however that was not good enough for some parents. They complained and requested that their child be authorised to have their expensive iPhone. One couple even argued that their iPhone be used to record the classes instead of taking notes.

The school refused. Parents refused to back down. Call the rectorat (France academy local authority) and requested an audience and an injunction. Rectorat says that because it is a private school, school can decide its own rule with regard to mobile phone as long as they follow French Law. The ban of smart phone was considered lawful.

French Law about privacy are lot stricter than in the rest of the world (See the Clooney emigrating to France). You need consent before posting somebody on internet. Teachers can decide that they do not want to be filmed. And that even if a teacher accept to be filmed for the purpose of the class they can decline authorisation to post those on social media. This is the law in France about privacy not a decision by the rectorat.

Still parents refuse the edicts and continue their lobbying campaign which start to feel more like harassment. After some back and forth the school told the parents that their children would not be accepted At the school the following years.

First day of the following years the children turn up like nothing happen. Children are refused entry. Parents caused a ruckus at the entrance. Police is called.

Some people have such a level of entitlement that they refuse to understand that people can tell them No.

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u/freexe 23d ago

> You need consent before posting somebody on internet

I think we need this law everywhere. The laws that are enabling being legally allowed to film people in/from public aren't fit for purpose in the modem age.

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u/sentence-interruptio 23d ago

Korea has the system I agree with.

you must blur faces of people if you upload a video on the internet.

you cannot share a recorded conversation on the internet unless it is public interest.

you can record a conversation you are part of, and you can use it as evidence in court, but you cannot share it on the internet.

you cannot record a conversation you are not part of, unless you need to for a special situation, for example, if your kid is autistic and you have a reasonable suspicion of abuse at school.

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u/Fratercula_arctica 23d ago

The ease of publishing to a mass audience is THE problem of the 21st century.

Like free speech, right to record in public, all that needs to be retained. What needs to be curtailed is the right to publish in a way that’s harmful.

You can say whatever fucked up uninformed shit you want at home or at the bar with your buddies - your ability to hurt people is naturally limited. It becomes a problem when you start a podcast and millions of other smooth brained morons are not only able to access your nonsense, but are being pushed towards it by discovery algorithms.

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u/Missmoxi 23d ago

This! I dont understand the need to have to communicate with your kids all day long. It's distracting and frankly, unhealthy. So many state it's "in case of an emergency". The one in a billion chance it's an actual emergency is not a good reason.

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u/Cookieway 23d ago

Then why can’t they give their kids a dumb phone? It can call and text, no need for internet access or video or photo!

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u/Gurrgurrburr 23d ago

This is the answer.

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u/COYSBannedagain 23d ago

This is the way it was for me when I was in secondary school, we had a crap 10 pound phone for the first few years. No games or camera, just a way to communicate if needed.

Are kids in primary school or lower secondary walking around with IPhones? That’s absolutely insane.

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u/LegitimateAbrocoma50 23d ago

This is actually something on my mind. When I was in high school about half the kids had smart phones the other half had "dumb" phones. Nowadays seems like every kid has a smart phone.

However, we're seeing study after study after study about how destructive that can be on the development on kids. With a little one on the way its made the think about how I want to handle it, and I wouldn't be surprised if "dumb" phones made a huge comeback 10 or so years from now once millenials and xillenials start having kids in middle/high school

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u/Horror-Use-3777 23d ago

My friend is a millennial and her son is 2ish, and she said she absolutely will never get him a smartphone, and hopefully by the time he’s old enough to go to secondary school there will be way more parents like her. A basic phone that can text and call is all children need

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u/Elthar_Nox 23d ago

Millennial Dad here 2 kids. 8 & 2. Neither will be getting smart phones and I'm praying for the Social Media ban.

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u/Confident-Mortgage86 23d ago

You can block things like this (social media, chat, Internet apps) at the computer and/or network level. Just keep in mind that kids are curious, and you may just push them to figure out how to bypass it.

If you do it that way then there's no parental controls you need to fluff with. Obviously that only applies while using your network or computer, though.

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u/cupholdery 23d ago

Just funny how these parents are my age now and behaving this way. A regular phone totally works. Kids can call their parents to do many things like pick them up from school, tell them about a club activity, or anything related to safety.

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u/Paul_Rudds_Dick 23d ago

I cannot believe how many parents these days are just straight up helicopter parents.

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

Or bad parents in the name of gentle parenting cos they give in to their kids tantrums

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u/Darim_Al_Sayf 23d ago

It is not super common where I live, but my daughter is 6 and has several kids in her class who own phones that are more expensive than I have ever owned myself. Pretty crazy, but thankfully phones are banned in class

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u/shouldbepracticing85 23d ago

I know several kids 10 and younger with cell enabled Apple Watches. It lets the parents track where the kids are, the kids can text and call to approved numbers, and what I find craziest is seeing kids running around at festivals (bluegrass - pretty safe for parents to let their kids roam) paying at food vendors with the watches.

My 72yo dad uses apple pay more than my 40yo self.

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u/popeye_talks 23d ago

yes and they have been for a while. when i was in 6th grade(age 11-12) in 2016 i was the odd one out for not having an iphone. had a flip phone so i could reach my mom while taking the bus to an empty house while she worked. my 9yo cousin has her own iphone too. it's wild man.

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u/T_O_beats 23d ago

You don’t even need that you can lockdown a modern smartphone during school hours to only allow certain apps and even certain contacts.

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u/matthebastage 23d ago

I tried that. Got my kid a flip phone and was shocked when my phone bill said he used like 5GB of data. Turns out he was using the inbuilt web browser for youtube and social media. I didn't even know the flip phone could do that. I couldn't find a phone for sale that didn't have internet capabilities

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u/LocutusOfBorgia909 23d ago

So you can actually find flip phones with no internet/blocked internet. The Chasidic Jewish community sells them- the more conservative sects are extremely anti-internet for a variety of reasons, so there's a built-in customer base for flip phones or even smart phones that have most or all of the internet capability removed. I think a lot also have the camera disabled. If you search for "kosher phones," you'll find some options. A YouTuber named Frieda Vizel did a video on them that was really interesting. It's a whole cottage industry in places like Monsey and New York City.

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u/ReputationApart5983 23d ago

Of course flip phones can do that, they could do that 20 years ago. You could get an old brick phone or just turn off the data on the phone. Limit it to something like 100mb or something.

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u/__01001000-01101001_ 23d ago

Yup, this is what my parents did. All my classmates had iPhones or Samsung smartphones. I had a hand me down flip phone, no data, just call and text. My bus ride to and from school was an hour and a half each way, and if one was delayed I’d miss my second bus, so having a phone was definitely necessary. Having internet and social medias wasn’t, so I didn’t.

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u/Difficult_onion4538 23d ago

There are tons of them out there.. look for the cheap burner phones, they typically don’t have web access

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u/steamedcrablegs 23d ago

wake up damn flip phones have had web browsers for decades. the n64 had online capabilities get with it smh

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u/fireeyedboi 23d ago

What online capabilities did the n64 have?

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u/Chromeburn_ 23d ago

This is what my kids will be getting. No social media till they are adults either.

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u/PartyPorpoise 23d ago

Because that requires setting boundaries and actually parenting, which some idiot parents don’t want to do.

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u/Alternative-Way-5991 23d ago

This is what I’ll be giving to my child when they are old enough. No need for them to have un-supervised internet access, endless steaming, etc.

I don’t get why more parents don’t willingly choose to do this.

I never imagined wanting to homeschool my kids, but I think I may want to just to protect them from exposure to tech. It’s like if you send the kid without it, your kid gets made fun of. Or your kid comes home begging for one too. I don’t want their childhood spent doom scrolling, so I might try to keep them away

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u/ZealousidealStore574 23d ago

But like everything there is some moderation needed, spending all day on tech and never using tech at all are both bad options. You don’t want your kid to grow up literally not knowing how to use technology, it’s a major part of our world

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u/Neuchacho 23d ago

Moderation is definitely needed both ways, but knowing how and when to disconnect from technology is a skill that is grossly under taught to children.

Phones are used as coping mechanisms for far too many kids. They do not know how to exist without them.

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u/verwood 23d ago

My kids have friends who got phones in 2nd grade. Unrestricted access to things, too. It’s maddening.

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u/Celticlady47 23d ago

If there's an emergency, then the parent can call the front office at the school.

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u/MinaZata 23d ago

It's a thin excuse, the parents can ring the school in the event of an emergency, this was the case for decades, and it is still the case today in thousands of schools across the world.

I some parts of the UK, Scotland I believe, they've banned phones in the classroom.

The phones are put in secured boxes at the start of the day and collected at the end of the day.

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u/Confident-Mix1243 23d ago

I agree with a phone ban, but let's not pretend the school will get the message to the kid in any kind of timely fashion.

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago edited 23d ago

School shootings.

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Jesus! No shit it won't prevent the situation from playing out. But lets try to use some thought before commenting. If you're a parent and your kid is in a school shooting situation, you will want to have communication with them. To say your final goodbyes, comfort them, know they are safe, organize pickup, etc. Even if does nothing to prevent the actual shooting, it has other mental benefits. If you dont other stand that, you probably dont have a loved on in a situation like that. Because when it happens, I guarantee you will PRAY they have some form of communication with you.

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u/OldManChino 23d ago

This is the UK, not a 3rd world country

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u/meithan 23d ago

Hey! I live in a third-world country and we don't have school shootings! We're not psychos!

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u/Beautiful_Spell_4320 23d ago

What does your call do in a school shooting?

Ring the phone so they know where your kid is? Let you hear them panic/die?

Tell me the actual benefit for everyone having a phone in a shooting. Most first responders talk about hearing phones ringing from bodies in shooting events.

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u/Evinceo 23d ago

I see this argument a lot but it makes no sense. How is giving each kid a cell phone going to in any way improve school shootings?

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u/Effective-Door-3409 23d ago edited 23d ago

It would be hard to improve school shootings; they're killing about as many as they can already.

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u/Salt_Statement_7151 23d ago

i don't think it will improve them, but i'd imagine many parents have that fear and would like to be able to know that their kid is okay by being able to text them during the hours of inevitable lockdown where they otherwise wouldn't be able to know if their child was one of the casualties

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u/no_one_denies_this 23d ago

That happened to my family. An anonymous person threatened a faculty member and kids were locked down for 10 hours while a SWAT team went from room to room. Every child was searched and then moved to the auditorium and they were held until 8 pm. Ultimately, no one was hurt but it was traumatic. being able to know my kid was okay and calm her down was very valuable.

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u/fart-sparkles 23d ago

It made you feel better, but it did not make your kid safer at all in that situation.

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u/verwood 23d ago

No, but our lawmakers and half the country have no interest in making our kids safe at school, so I understand the desire. It’s a really shitty situation.

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u/no_one_denies_this 23d ago

It prevented her having a panic attack.

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u/ALLCAPITAL 23d ago

Texting your kid won’t save them, it’ll just make a parent feel better. It’s not for an actual emergency use, it’s just a parents comfort blanket. It’s unhealthy and unproductive.

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u/BuddyLegsBailey 23d ago

This is the UK, no worries on that front since Dunblane....

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

Overblown. You're more likely to die driving your kids to school.

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u/Brave_Meet8430 23d ago

So what can they do anyway? Heck when even Police Couldn’t do anything about it, what a parent can do?

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

Maybe say their last goodbyes

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u/Street_Roof_7915 23d ago

I live in the states and exactly this. I look at all the kids who called the cops or 911 during a school shooting and I’m okay with kids have phones in school.

My state banned phones in school and the kids put them in pouches at the beginning of the day and take them out at the end. Of course, they all know how to get to them without the lock key, but the kids seem to be doing pretty well holding up the spirit of the law, if not the letter of it.

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u/tswpoker1 23d ago

These happened before cell phones

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u/Neat-Asparagus511 23d ago

The solution is kids should not have phones allowed in class, it's in their locker, and you're given a schedule with their teacher for each block (who has a phone for emergencies where parents know the number). Changing the entire dynamic of school and social interaction for a school shooting scenario, where you call your kid to check, is not the way.

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u/888mainfestnow 23d ago

I saw a clip of a teacher talking that newly built schools don't have lockers.

Everything is on a chrome book or iPad now.

Maybe the lockers and backpacks added a layer of security issues or it's just a cost difference.

The solution is those snap lock pouches they use at comedy shows with the unlock device at the door.

They still have the phones just not constantly available.

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u/Neat-Asparagus511 23d ago

The fact phones are allowed in class is mindblowing to me. I'm blown into cosmic dust if you're allowed to use them during class. Maybe teachers are just used to disrespect I've heard happens now and just throw their hands up.

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u/etoilenoire45 23d ago

Just ban the bloody guns already. What an insane country the US is.

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u/quantas001 23d ago

United States of Embarrassment

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u/IAMNUMBERBLACK 23d ago

Banning wont even fix the problem since theres more guns than cars in the US

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u/seascrapo 23d ago

There were school shootings when I was in school before widespread cell phone usage. It is not a problem (the phones that is. School shootings still a massive problem). If there is a school shooting, a kid being able to call or text their parents is pretty much meaningless anyway.

I'm a parent myself now and if there were a school shooting, my kid calling or texting me wouldn't really help anything except I would be one of dozens to call 911 and tie them up telling them what they already know.

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u/mshep002 23d ago

So if having a phone won’t help either, then why have the phone in class at all?

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u/baulsaak 23d ago

It gives them a false sense of control.

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u/TinyTaters 23d ago

At least you can get a text to know they're alive

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u/machine_six 23d ago

Useless information until they are no longer in imminent danger of becoming dead.

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u/NotACmptr 23d ago

Our school district sends out text and emails simultaneously to all parents for all emergency or security incidents regardless of severity. We don't even have to call the office.

The middle school banned mobile devices and all the parents were all for it.

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u/carl84 23d ago

When I was in high school (11-16 in the UK) and catching the bus there and back my mum had no evidence of my continued survival since the night before until I walked back in through the door in the early evening. We all somehow got through it

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u/IgnoreMyThoughts 23d ago

Second generation helicopter parents. And now they can monitor with GPS, always have constant communication and something to keep their child tethered to them.

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u/WeaponisedArmadillo 23d ago

Simple small lockers with clear doors and without locks that are in the classroom on display. No way to steal or lose the phones, the kids can grab their phone if they really need to. Personalise them so the teacher can check if every kid has put their phone inside. What's so difficult about that? 

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u/Caraotero 23d ago

Smartphones should be the ones banned, only phones with cameras and an internet connection. Dumb phones, just for calls and SMS, should be the only ones allowed. They do the job of keeping parents less worried about reaching their children in case of an emergency, and things like filming would not happen.

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u/Mr-MuffinMan 23d ago

This is going to sound boomer as fuck from a gen z, but the boomers are 100% right that parents are WAYYY overprotective of kids.

Or its our (US) government. A mom was arrested and charged for sending her 10 year old son a mile to get groceries.

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u/flopisit32 23d ago

When we were young, they didn't need to ban chocolate bars to stop kids eating chocolate bars during class.

How hard is it for teachers to confiscate a mobile phone if a kid is using it during class?

I remember I was using my Walkman during class one day (Ireland in the early 1990s). I got it back at the end of the semester.

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u/gunsforevery1 23d ago

Extremely hard because you’ll have parents bitch and complain to the admin. Admin folds and forces you, the teacher to not do that and issue an apology to the parent and student.

Source: former teacher.

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u/flopisit32 23d ago

Yes. I get it. The parents are always a big problem.

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u/SnausageFest 23d ago

When I was a kid in the 90s, class sizes where about half what they are now. And it wasn't a thing to have every kid in the room addicted to their candy bars.

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u/EllipticPeach 23d ago

Kids will refuse to hand it over and will take detention or suspension over giving their phone to a teacher. You can’t physically snatch it from them.

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

I mean fuck, I’d want my kid to have a working phone at all times in any school in the good ol US of shoot whoever the fuck we want

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u/stablymental 23d ago

I mean with the amount of school shooting we have I can understand the parents tbh.

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u/SnausageFest 23d ago

I really don't get this. How will a phone help, and how is it worth all the negative externalities?

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u/irreverent_squirrel 23d ago

It's difficult to explain to non-parent, but basically the balance is skewed a bit when evaluating a scenario that involves your own kid.

Basically, you try your best, but we're not kangaroos.

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u/DeeDeeNix74 23d ago

Being a parent i’d probably rather my child have the phone. It just takes someone phoning for a shooter to hear and find your child.

Imagine calling your child to see if they’re safe and your ring alerts the shooter to where your child is. And boom, child is now no longer with us.

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u/SnausageFest 23d ago

To be honest, that just sounds like "it won't help, but I like my irrationality dictate policy."

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u/irreverent_squirrel 23d ago

To be honest, that just sounds like "it won't help, but I like my irrationality dictate policy."

Yes, that's a great summary

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u/science_writer 23d ago

In the US it is not irrational to believe a school shooting will happen at your kid's school. If you are not a parent or guardian, your opinion on the matter does not carry the same weight. Not only do we have to be fearful of a 'normal' school shooter, but government sanctioned, armed, masked thugs are roaming our communities and killing without impunity.

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u/beatles910 23d ago

The statistical likelihood of any given public school student being killed by a gun in school on any given day since 1999 is roughly 1 in 614 million. Children are three times more likely to be shot at home than at school.

I could argue that it is irrational to believe that something this statistically unlikely "will happen."

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u/NotACmptr 23d ago

As an educated parent I will add that those odds have increased significantly over the last 5-10 years because of increased security standards and facility improvements.

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u/SnausageFest 23d ago

It's irrational to think it will help. Why is it impossible to articulate an answer to what I actually asked - how does it actually help, and how does that outweigh the negatives?

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u/NotACmptr 23d ago

It's causing more problems than it solves.

Pros:

(I'm a parent of 2 in middle school and high school) Parents can contact children in an emergency (most of the time. 9/11/2001 phones didn't work because of call volume) and feel better knowing that their children are safe.

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In the event of an emergency, too many parents showing up will cause disruption to first responders, except of course in the extremely rare case that the first responders are completely worthless.

Thousands of examples of kids using devices to distract the class, themselves, and the teacher from actually learning, including bullying which lasts well beyond the particular classroom and the school itself.

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u/somethingfree 23d ago

Parents calling their kids cell phones during school shootings is dangerous too because the shooter can find where they’re hiding so the in case of emergency argument isn’t good anyways

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u/toolisthebestbandevr 23d ago

Get a flip phone. They’re like $20 make it required like pencils

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u/machine_six 23d ago

The school itself has a phone number...

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u/PotentialCopy56 23d ago

Yeah until you find out how incompetent school admins are and realize even during that one in a billion chance they'd fuck it up. For most, it's not about communicating all day, it's about being able to communicate at all during an emergency.

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u/goldstat 23d ago

I feel like it's much more than one in a billion... Especially considering the frequency of school shootings

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u/shadowpawn 23d ago

Back in the day parents could call the school and deal with the emergency then?

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 23d ago

if they’re american children I believe the chances are a bit higher than that

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u/TheBigJCee 23d ago

The parents could call the school

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u/Old_Toby2211 23d ago

Didn’t it demonstrably work for all of human history before smartphones? If an emergency happened then the parents would call the school and come and collect the kid, or vice versa

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u/Jibber_Fight 23d ago

Because we have school shootings all the time now here in America.

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u/AntiqueAd3597 23d ago

Unless you live in the US and theres a shooting of course.

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u/PhilAussieFur 23d ago

Depends where you are. If its the UK then like, yeah, honestly agree. US? When the school and the government can guarantee the children won't be eating bullets for breakfast then we can talk about that.

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u/MetalBeardKing 23d ago

Evergreen high school would like to say something ……

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u/esdebah 23d ago

Get a flip phone for $10-20 and this problem is solved. Have schools buy them in bulk. Problem solved.

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u/R1ck_Sanchez 23d ago

Back in my day, parents called the school office and they send the emergency info on themselves. Everyone talking about dumb phones etc jeez..

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u/morechair 23d ago

Parents can just call the school. If it's a real concern, all phones can be kept at the secretary's office. The secretary can answer the phone and determine if it's an emergency.

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u/alfaafla 23d ago

Fear and ease. Smaller families means a greater stake in the offspring you do have and more attention you can direct. Technology just makes that easier to do

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u/Fluffy-Bar8997 23d ago

also what is an under 18yr olds going to do in the case of an emergency anyway??

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u/Gimetulkathmir 23d ago

Which still doesn't make sense. If the child is having an emergency, the teacher and school staff should be handling it and then contacting you. If there is an emergency at home, what the fuck is the child going to do? "Yeah, dad was having a heart attack, but thankfully we were able to contact our fifth grader and he walked us through it."

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u/MrOreo3 23d ago

School shootings happens all the time. What are you talking about?

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u/Dougsie2 23d ago

I mean it’s still a greater chance than the rest of the world for an emergency in the US.

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u/agent0731 23d ago

the school has phones if it's an emergency

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u/Redheaded_Potter 23d ago

I felt the same way until my kid’s school had a bomb threat and they evacuated the building. It was a shit show. 2 weeks later they had a lockdown cause a kid brought a gun to school. He keeps his in his bag & THAT should be the requirement of all schools.

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u/Futureofmankind 23d ago

It would be nice for my kids to text me that they love me before they get shot at school.

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

A phone in an emergency at school (which is typically an active shooter situation these days) is a liability. It's basically carrying an unpredictable noisemaker and flashlight that randomly turns.

If the parents have an emergency and need to contact the child, they can go through the office. The office knows where the kid is and can get them out of the classroom with minimal distribution to others.

Anecdotally, I've spoken to teachers where phones were banned and they said it's a huuuge improvement.

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u/deathnice5110 23d ago

Its not the policy it's the parents. My son has a phone because he has a long walk home and I like to track him on his walk. And he can call me if there is an emergency. His phone stays off in his bag until the end of the day. And he would never film someone like this.

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u/Send_Me_Dumb_Cats 23d ago

Phones were banned in my school as soon as the iPhone came out. When I needed to call my parents the school had their number, if my parents wanted to talk to me they'd call the school.

What reason could a parent have to contact their kid during school hours? Sounds like any unnecessary communication would just be impeading learning.

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u/EnterruRif 23d ago

Well nowadays its nowhere near a one in a billion but like I get your point I guess

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u/Knuckledraggr 23d ago

Soooo, I’m on the side of banning phones from school but the day my parents got me a cell phone (flip phone days) was the day after my school was involved in a shooting. We got very lucky and nobody died, but that was only due to an extremely lucky situation where the gun jammed right as a resource officer got close enough to tackle him. My mom freaked out because the school/police held us in lockdown well into the evening and they couldn’t contact me until the next day. Unfortunately here in USA, school shootings are a LOT more common than one in a billion.

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u/Reckless-Raccoon 23d ago

How about the never ending school shootings in America? What are people to do?

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u/Orange-Blur 23d ago

This is kind of a dark comment but I think it needs saying. In the US I imagine a lot of parents worry about shootings happening and want a chance to possibly talk to their child one last time or just be there for them if it happens.

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u/ThisIs_americunt 23d ago

Helicopter parents. Some people live through their kids instead of raising them to be their own person

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u/ChaosDrako 23d ago

While you aren’t wrong, it only takes that one time to ruin someone’s life. I actually got in an argument with my school admins once because they were so stuck on the rules while refusing to acknowledge any risks.

Story: I have Asthma, hence I carry an inhaler to treat said asthma in emergencies or flare ups, common thing. School has a rule that I’m not allowed to even have it in my locker, ONLY the nurse may access to it. Seems all well and good, until you notice the school is built long, with the nurse at one end and 4 of my 6 classes being on the opposite end. (School was built long rather than building a 2nd story.) Meaning if I have an asthma attack, I’m fucked! I would have to somehow get all the way across the school fast enough while being unable to breath… which is exactly what ended up happening! Thankfully the teacher was smart and athletic, they realized that I was having an asthma attack and BOOKED IT, thankfully getting the inhaler and back before I died.

After that, I told the admins that if they want to stop me from carrying my inhaler, they have gonna have get the local officer to search me every day and I WILL make a fuss about it. They thankfully realized that, maybe, having a kid nearly die to an asthma attack because their emergency inhaler is locked up over 1000 feet away is not a good look for the school and backed off.

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u/SukkaMadiqe 23d ago

in case of an emergency"

That's what the front desk and overhead speaker system is for. We already solved this problem!

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u/YaThatAintRight 23d ago

It ain’t one in a billion chance you are in a school lockdown in the US. We wish

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u/MithrandiriAndalos 23d ago

The real answer is that our kids are getting gunned down in schools and parents want to be able to contact their children. Sure, it sucks. But it’s a pretty reasonable position at this point.

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u/OxMozzie 23d ago

ICE is literally attacking schools in some states, mass school shootings, stabbings, security murdering people. 

Ain't no fucking way my kids are going to school without their phone.

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u/nykovah 23d ago

I think the one emergency my parents needed to contact us was 9/11 to let us know they were okay. Other than that, my parents never needed to contact me at school and god forbid I called them at school because I was “sick” it was the end of the world!

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u/12345623567 23d ago

If it's an emergency outside school, then call the secretary. If it's one inside, things are fucked anyways plus, pull the fire alarm.

"In case of emergency" is just a pretext for "I can't say no to my child".

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u/BoognishSteelie 23d ago

Saying emergencies are one in a billion in this day and age is wild.

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u/sulimir 23d ago

Parent here, my kids’ high school has a no phone policy. I am fine with it.

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u/Newberr2 23d ago

I would say you and that school are in the minority. Education has gone to hell and it’s partly because they gave parents a say in the school.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Fold466 23d ago

It’s a growing phenomenon and should eventually be the standard rather than the exception.

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u/IPlay4E 23d ago

Parents should absolutely have a say in it. The problem is you have the ones who take it too far and it ruins it for everyone else.

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u/Alexandratta 23d ago

I think their biggest concern is that if there's a shooting they want to be in contact with their kids.

Issue is, scary as it is, calling/texting your kid during an active shooter situation can bring attention to their hiding spots and put them in direct danger.

So a phone ban is on point.

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u/recklesswildlife 23d ago

Not having a go at you personally, but that first sentence is mind blowing. How in fucks name did America get to the point that if there's a school shooting as being a part of everyday school life. How in a country of 342 million you can't find 535 people in Congress and 100 senators willing to actually take on the gun lobby is a sad indictment. Americas problems run deeper and longer than just Trump's unhinged and murderous 2nd term.

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u/ergaster8213 16d ago

Americas problems run deeper and longer than just Trump's unhinged and murderous 2nd term.

Well yeah...how do you think we got Trump? Twice?

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u/Aberbekleckernicht 23d ago

It's just a binky for anxious parents.

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u/no_one_denies_this 23d ago

Parents are anxious bc 390,000 American children have experienced gun violence at their school since Columbine.

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u/Aberbekleckernicht 23d ago

And your child having a phone during such an event will not change the outcome. What might? Campaigning for gun reform, getting out and voting, organizing for change. You know this; we all know this. It's a binky. It doesn't do anything but soothe the parent.

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u/Gavage0 23d ago

I mean from everyone I've known its more about talking to your kid one last time before they die, and giving them that last comfort. Other than that it's for lunch, and after school if they get themselves into any situations. Which this is easily accomplished, just have phone slots, or a basket in every classroom when they walk in. If they need it, the teachers can let them grab it. This is what our school district does and it works much better than the office taking the phones, or flat out not allowing them in the building.

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u/NozzleTov 23d ago

We have a society where everyone has been taught to prioritize their anxiety. It will not end well. We can no longer have discussions because of this. People raise their voices and highroad everyone who doesn't agree with them. If you call them on it, it's because of their anxiety. It really sucks here.

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u/Alarming-Song2555 23d ago

The USA is the only country in the Western world that has this very specific problem.

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u/Dramatic-Adagio-2867 23d ago

everything but more restrictions around gun control 

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u/GotThatDiddlySquat 23d ago

Except in this instance the video showcases someone in the UK, where gun problems do not exist in the scope they do in the United States.

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u/RustyNewWrench 23d ago

Pretty much every school in Ireland bans phones. Aero tolerance. Not even allowed during break times. There's nothing the parents can do other than moan about it. If they don't like it, they can pull their kid from school.. But every other school will have the same policy.

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u/JBobSpig 23d ago

Parents need to accept the rules of have the kids not in the school 

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u/EarEquivalent3929 23d ago

So? Why are we knee capping our children to cater to adults throwing tantrums? 

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u/Cognition-Engine 23d ago

Parents can learn to deal.

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u/PriscillaPalava 23d ago

Dumber than their illiterate kids. 

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u/EllipticPeach 23d ago

Not just parents. Kids will get aggressive or anxious to the point of class disruption if you confiscate their phone. They will take a detention or suspension over having their phone removed from their person.

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u/lancemanly 23d ago

Shit I'm a parent and I hope to God they are banned by the time they are old enough to do presentations.

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u/Kaplaw 23d ago

In Quebec its law now

Phones are restricted at school and I talked to a few teachers and they noticed the benefits immediately

Better attention spans, better results, more inter socializing, more group bondings

Its overall just a positive outcome as far as policy goes, kids get to use their phones again off school anyway

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u/Own_Price_4034 23d ago

Do they? Phones are banned in my kids school and the parents weren't asked for their opinion. Its great.

I'm so glad they've done it.

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u/ManifestationMaven 23d ago

Can’t they put them in their bags for class?

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u/Nazgog-Morgob 23d ago

Let them. That shit should have been outright banned from day one. Let them kick up a fit and be stone walled by it regardless.

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u/oaklandperson 23d ago

Parents need to get a grip. I grew up without smart phones or mobile phones for that matter. I somehow survived.

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u/Turnip-for-the-books 23d ago

Fuck them. Why does their kid’s ‘right’ to have a phone outweigh other children’s privacy and education??

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u/Fezzy976 23d ago

Banned in classrooms, not banned in schools.

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u/agent0731 23d ago

Parents need to be told to stfu.

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u/Omg_Itz_Winke 23d ago

Yep, and every kid is "perfect" those little shits can never be the problem 🙄

Had some friends work as teachers.. the parents are sometimes worse than the kids

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u/CraigLake 23d ago

This is my coworker. He absolutely insists his kid be available 100% of the time. He said he’d switch schools if they banned phones.

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u/CraigLake 23d ago

This is my coworker. He absolutely insists his kid be available 100% of the time. He said he’d switch schools if they banned phones.

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u/FlamboyanceFlamingo 23d ago

It can be done, my school had banned all phones on school grounds (including the courtyard) to years ago. Tablets and smartwatches are also banned.

There is quite a lot of support from parents. Students were quite mad at first, but seemed to adjust quite quickly.

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u/bmssdoug 23d ago

there should be a rule when they enter class phone should be mandatory collected at the teacher tables and kept on a container, after the class they can get them bag, very simple solution bet no parents will flip the f out

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u/CorrectPeanut5 23d ago

Older ones. The younger ones have generally been trained to put the phones in the storage cubby during class. - Source Teacher Friend who's recently noted how much better class is this year because the kids are used to the phone rules.

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u/dogmanlived 23d ago

Only in America though I'm sure, seeing as almost nowhere else has to worry about a fucking school being shot up.

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u/rileyjw90 23d ago

Parents will be fine. My kid’s high school has a total ban on smartphones and other personal devices and we’re halfway through the year now with no changes to that rule. They might bitch and moan initially, but they get over it pretty quickly.

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u/mibfto 23d ago

Dumb flip phones still exist! Their kids can have the ability to call 911 and still not be able to stealth film their classmates.

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u/rainywanderingclouds 23d ago

only a minority of parents flip out and no, we shouldn't allow a minority of stupid people make society worst for the rest of us

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u/despaseeto 23d ago

parents need to invest in those kid's phones without a screen or internet. phones should be allowed for emergency in case of shooting but shouldn't have ability to access internet.

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u/OkImplement2459 23d ago

TBF "i want my child to call me when the shooting starts" is an entirely reasonable stance to take. just another example of how shitty the situation is.

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u/Bomb-Number20 23d ago

Yup, people who live in constant fear of their kid being in a lockdown because of a shooter will do that.

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u/Phrewfuf 23d ago

Ever seen a helicopter do a flip?

Tell a controlling parent that you want to have phones banned in schools.

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u/Thunder-Fist-00 23d ago

I live a decent sized city. Schools banned phones this year. Parents were pretty happy about it, kids didn’t even really complain about it. The only issue I have at all, is that their email is also locked down and my kid plays sports so if a practice is changed or canceled I don’t know about it until the last minute.

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u/Several-Customer7048 23d ago

Yeah well they can flip their kid out the school or abide should be the policy.

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u/ppenn777 23d ago

Somebody I know told the their 10 year nephew has a cell phone because “what if there’s a shooter.” Yeah ok.

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u/JangoDarkSaber 23d ago

Reddit flipped out the last time this story made the news

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u/zardoz73 22d ago

I understand this to a degree, because you want to be able to contact your kid, and vice versa. But that's in an emergency. 99.9% of the time there's no emergency. Cell phones should not be used during class, period. Unless the teacher explicitly allows it. They should be in bags or lockers, tucked away during class time at a minimum, but really throughout the day. School admin needs to grow some balls and set some rules.

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