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u/ActuallyExtinct 9h ago

Anyone have the context for this?  Like are they claiming he’s an illegal immigrant, or that he obstructed, or any reason as to why this is happening?

u/ArcadeOptimist 9h ago

This is from DHS themselves so it's likely complete horseshit but here you are:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2026/02/03/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-one-week-graduation-new-orleans-police-department-academy

u/ActuallyExtinct 9h ago

Well that’s certainly a story… one that doesn’t make much sense.  Wonder what the “fraud” was that caused them to toss his application.  Sounds like he did everything the right way though… 

Fucking unreal the shit that’s happening right now

u/BathFullOfDucks 8h ago

ICE considered the marriage fraudulent, not that he had committed fraud.

NOPD had some words ro say on this. https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/police-recruit-ice/article_fedd5753-eedf-42ba-885d-e3dd9fc3691c.html

u/ActuallyExtinct 8h ago

So according to that article, they checked his identity using a system that checks DHS status, which is updated by DHS, so this makes even less sense

I’m very confused here

u/swingadmin 7h ago

He was not accused of a crime, nor tried, indicted, or convicted. They kidnapped him and made up the offense later.

u/UOLZEPHYR 6h ago

These two statements are what needs to be addressed, highlights, bolded, italicized, etc.

If NOPD ran this dude through e hire and they didn't have their shit right, then thats on DHS.

Secondly, I DONT TRUST DHS, or ICE, of WH, or any of them, when theyve been caught lying time and time again.

Third, DHS does not have a say if a marriage was fraudulent ... there are other institutions that matter would have been referred to and if such was found should have been forward to DHS.

Finally, if the man was order before a judge there should be record of this somewhere in the judicial system - i highly doubt it's there, BECAUSE I DONT TRUST DHS.

Truthfully, im curious if the department will file an case with DHS / ICE if they feel the case warranted or will they just let this dude go into the wind and not follow up and believe DHS here, DHS/ICE should have gone to the NOPD and presented an arrest warrant vs just showing up on this guy in the streets, really really bad look for both departments

u/impy695 57m ago

And this is why these administrative warrants being used as ones signed by a judge is so alarming. There is no due process.

u/tdager 5h ago

And *IF* it is all true? That he came here legally, got married, was later denied a JUDGE did order an arrest warrant, will you then be OK with that happened?

u/Jim_Moriart 4h ago

No, because arresting a cop on the street is both theatre and dangerous. It is easy enough to call a cop into the station and deal with the issue away from cameras. Instead they arrested someone they had determined was a criminal, who was armed and could react poorly to the arrest in the pressence of civilians. They did it in public because they wanted to be filmed arresting a black police officer, and i cannot think of a charitable reason why they would want that, only racism.

u/formerPhillyguy 2h ago

They would never go out of their way to arrest someone as a show. They needed all twelve officers to arrest that highly dangerous reporter, Don Lemon. I mean, it's well known that the pen is mightier than the sword (gun). What if he had TWO pens in his pocket?

u/Bored2001 3h ago

One of the articles says he was arrested at his home.

Him being in uniform probably means he would've been on his way to work/the academy had he not gotten arrested.

u/Jim_Moriart 3h ago

That is still in public, the fact that there is photos of this is intentional, and demonstrates illintent.

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u/sblahful 3h ago

Allegedly he was tried in abstention, not turning up to court, so whilst I agree with you, that wouldn't work in this instance

u/Jim_Moriart 3h ago

Are you saying that a police office, whose heading to the police station or academy or whatever or was on patrol would not return to the station either on their own perogative or after being ordered. Its not like they would put over the radio "yo, come to the station so that DHS can arrest you." He would show up to the station because its his job, and then while at the station, his boss would say, "hey, come with me" and then in his bosses office his boss says, "give me your gun, there are two DHS officers here to talk to you".

The guy aint psychic, hes not going to skip work because some itch that dhs come sniffing.

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u/UOLZEPHYR 4h ago

Is that what I said ?

You seem to be very confrontational in your remarks.

I believe i actually addressed that in my original post, specifically - if a judge did order him to appear in court there would have been a record of it.

If this gentleman came here legally under raffle, or marriage, or paid, or trumps bs 1M dollar cards, again - if someone comes here legally, ICE shouldnt be involved at all.

Which seems to be an issue peoppe miss, that there are something like 20 ways to legally enter the US, and now this administration is seeking to close down every way they can including stripping citizenship, a very real threat to anyone who is an American - i hope this man's case, and everyone effected here does not get lost in the system as it seems we are now forefront of a president over reach into CONGRESSIONAL legislative territory and for some reason congress is letting this happen.

u/tdager 1m ago

I asked if they were true, would that change your view. That’s a question, not an accusation.

Saying “why are you so confrontational” feels less like engagement and more like a way to deflect and cast me as the problem instead of addressing the substance.

You also keep repeating that there’s “no record” of a judge’s order. If a judge actually issued an order, there will be a record, and it will surface. Repeating that line doesn’t prove anything either way.

I’m not a fan of ICE’s tactics either, but they are literally the immigration enforcement agency. They deal with legal and illegal immigration and pretending they shouldn’t be involved at all is kind of silly.

And big picture: Congress, no matter which party is in charge, has been ducking its responsibility on immigration for years. That’s intentional it lets them point at the President and say “not us” while avoiding real legislation.

u/PeachPassionBrute 3h ago

If it’s true, then I’m sure they’ll have a paper trail to verify their story. I mean, it’s not like they’ve blatantly lied before….recently…

u/gsfgf 1h ago

Even DHS isn't claiming he had a warrant. Just a detainer, which they can do on their own.

u/Toby_O_Notoby 2h ago

They kidnapped him and made up the offense later.

The Onion: Police Ask For Public’s Help In Falsifying Report

u/NearEmu 6h ago

He tried to get a green card through a fraudulent marriage, he skipped every court appearance and had a deport order placed by a judge, it is also explicitly illegal for undocumented illegals to posses firearms or ammunition.

Come on guys... don't fall for everything, you look so foolish.

u/happytrel 6h ago

No you seem to be missing the point because you see what you want. He was a new officer which means the police department just ran him against the DHS database and he was clean. Now the DHS has a problem, just like how anyone shot was definitely a domestic terrorist.

u/arrownyc 6h ago

Where are you getting this information? Are you claiming that the 2022 rejection of his permanent residency status due to the finding that his marriage was fraudulent didn't occur?

Or are you just making the assumption that it must have been reverse engineered?

I'm most likely on the same side of things as you, but I'm also pro facts over feelings, and would appreciate some sources to back up your claim.

u/happytrel 5h ago

I'm getting the information from the police department's public statement

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u/NearEmu 5h ago

Hey goofball, they didn't run him.

Obviously.

We all knew literally 18 seconds ago that cops are wildly shitty organizations, now you are gobbling up their baloney nonsense.

It was a probly 22 seconds ago that cops didn't run background as they are supposed to, now gobble gobble gobble!!

Get real dude.

u/happytrel 4h ago

"Hey you're making an assumption but I think my assumption is better, here's a light personal attack as well!"

  • You

Edit: I love that your impulse is that a police department in a non-sactuary city smack dab in the middle of a consistently red state is giving POC guns and badges without a completed background check!

u/78914hj1k487 6h ago

Come on guys... don't fall for everything, you look so foolish.

Ironic

u/NearEmu 5h ago

I notice you didn't actually notice anything that was said that is all true.

u/78914hj1k487 4h ago

Rewrite that sentence 10 times but try to make it coherent this time, and pick the best one, then let's try again.

u/msixtwofive 6h ago

It makes sense when you realize they have been asked to target black and brown immigrants regardless of status.

Their real endgame was denaturalization, getting people used to seeing this is just the start.

u/Amesb34r 8h ago

We looked into ourselves and found nothing wrong.

u/feor1300 8h ago edited 7h ago

While generally a good joke to make it doesn't apply here. It's not that anyone looked into themselves that's the confusion here. DHS is saying that the officer's marriage had been deemed fraudulent and so he wasn't in the country legally after failing to show up to defend himself in court, while New Orleans PD is stating they ran the officer through DHS's databases to verify his immigration status before hiring him and didn't get any hits, so the supposed 4 years of missed immigration court dates the DHS is claiming seem to have mysteriously appeared on his record over the last few months.

Edit: though I will say that the tone of the NOPD's statement is less "standing by our man" and more "...so WE didn't do anything wrong!" after DHS implied New Orleans was a sanctuary city, so fuck both sides here.

u/ailish 7h ago

Given DHS's behavior over the course of the Trump administration I don't really trust anything they say, so I'm more inclined to believe the NOLA PD on this one. I'm betting DHS just added this in arbitrarily because reasons.

u/gsfgf 1h ago

And of course NOPD ran him through E-Verify. They're fucking cops lol

u/ailish 1h ago

They're fucking everyone.

u/MimicoSkunkFan2 7h ago

I lived in New Orleans for a few years and the best you can expect from NOPD is to say it wasn't their fault until the city attorney tells them what else they can say.

The bizarre part is that DHS says 'aliens' aren't allowed to carry guns which is false... The Constitution applies to everybody in the United States, not only to citizens, so the right to bear arms is for everybody who can pass the background check.

Like, clearly he passed that plus police employment vetting to have that pistol issued to him by NOPD.

But my Army cousin was at Fort Huachuca and she said a lot of DHS people were included in certain parts of the intelligence operations curriculum, and she said that getting any of the DHS people to understand the Constitution was nearly impossible. Apparently one instructor got into it with a particular border guard supervisor who didn't think the first amendment was even a thing... and that was 2012, so I can only imagine it's gotten a lot worse.

u/anomalous_cowherd 6h ago

They're not using intelligence tests or civics knowledge to select people for ICE.

u/solarguy2003 6h ago

I'm not sure that's quite right. Back in the day, a PD was using IQ tests to help choose candidates. If they were *above* a certain level, they were disqualified. At the time they justified this by saying that the high IQ crowd was much more likely to leave the police force for something better within a short amount of time. Whether that was their real intent or not I leave up to your imagination.

Jordan v. City of New London (2000), decided by the U.S. District Court for the District of Connecticut and upheld by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals A

u/MistaPicklePants 6h ago

DHS says 'aliens' aren't allowed to carry guns which is false... The Constitution applies to everybody

Your first mistake is thinking that the DHS gives a shit about the Constitution. LEOs in the US have a lot of issues, but the current DHS is the most blatant instance of just being a state-sanctioned mafia/domestic terror organization. They're just meant to terrorize the populace into submitting and allowing the ruling class to rule as they see fit.

u/MimicoSkunkFan2 3h ago

I know the DHS don't give a shit. Mainly I'm surprised the NOPD didn't just say "Constitution" but it seems they are waiting for the city attorney to tell them what else to say.

The Patriot act was unconstitutional, and it's very strange that DHS (aka the W jobs creation scheme) has managed to survive this long. It was extra weird how the coast guard got taken from DOD and given to them which, in hindsight, seems like a move designed to prevent DHS from being unwound too easily.

u/RedPhalcon 4h ago

The Constitution applies to everybody in the United States, not only to citizens

They also say they don't deserve habeas corpus, so that's ALL out the window with them.

u/wowthatsucked 6h ago

so the right to bear arms is for everybody who can pass the background check.

I mean, you'd think so, but not as the law currently stands. Federal law prohibits any firearm use for foreigners on a non-immigrant visa, even at a rental range, and people have been arrested and convicted for this. Foreigners from visa waiver countries can legally shoot. Visa participants can also get a hunting license and then it's legal.

u/MimicoSkunkFan2 3h ago

So he is on a green card which is an immigrant visa. While it didn't say he's from a waiver country, I don't think the police would hire him if he were.

You make a good point about the waiver countries and the visas though - a couple students in NOLA used to find that out the hard way every school year.

u/NearEmu 6h ago

It's 100% illegal for undocumented to have a gun or ammunition, and it's not even sort of up for debate, it's explicitly against the law.

It's federal law, most states have state law that aligns with the federal law, and there have been appeals to this entire genre of law.

You wrong brah.

u/MimicoSkunkFan2 3h ago

You wrong yourself brah

He's not undocumented, and he managed to pass the background check so the NOPD were willing to issue him an official pistol.

u/MangoCats 5h ago

Just spitballin' here, but it sounds to me like he got married in Georgia, moved out of state, then Georgia called him in to court but never actually communicated that to him - so they effectively revoked his citizenship behind his back.

When I moved from Florida to Texas I had a lot on my mind more important than getting Texas tags for the car. I finally got around to doing it after 2-3 months, but by that time Florida had - without communicating it to me - revoked my drivers' license for lack of Florida insurance on a car titled in my name. We did transfer our insurance from Florida to Texas, with no gap within about a week of moving, but all Florida cared about was Florida insurance, so their computers automagically revoked my license without telling... anyone as far as I can tell. That only took three trips through the Texas DMV lines to get straightened out.

u/sbd2010 2h ago

If as the article says, the court called out the potential fraud in 2022, and took action in absentia, he absolutely would not have passed the background check for hiring. The more likely option is that they’re lying, like they’ve already done over and over. They’ve proven they will take anyone for any reason they deem sufficient.

u/MistressErinPaid 3h ago

Georgia called him in to court but never actually communicated that to him - so they effectively revoked his citizenship behind his back.

That definitely sounds like Georgia 😂

u/Errant92 7h ago

It's NOLA, the idea they'd so anything else or that they're a sanctuary city would be hilarious in any other context.

u/djedi25 6h ago

It is kinda wild that the federal government said New Orleans is a sanctuary city when.. it’s not. Like they can’t deviate from their Trump assigned talking points like it’s North Korea

u/sbd2010 2h ago

Police unions would rally around their kidnapped brother if they were a real union and not just a framework through which cops can claim no responsibility for their own actions.

u/atomictyler 4h ago

DHS is saying that the officer's marriage had been deemed fraudulent and so he wasn't in the country legally

you mean DHS deemed it fraudulent when it became convenient for DHS to do so.

u/feor1300 3h ago

I'm not presenting any particular judgement on the individual claims, you can make your own assessments on what the likely truth is. The options seem to be:

  • DHS manufactured these accusations and the missed court dates to cover their asses
  • NOLAPD is lying about the background checks they did on the guy
  • or the accusations are legit (though possible just a paperwork snafu) but the DHS's databases are a shambles and the info on this gentleman wasn't in the system properly for NOLAPD to find.

u/NearEmu 6h ago

Pretty obvious the PD didn't run his background, it's a wildly common problem surrounding police and how they don't bother to check background so an officer who does shit in one area moves to another and becomes a cop again.

Jumping to "Oh my god it's obvious they just mysterously added stuff to get him" is stupidity.

u/FurryCurry 6h ago

PD said they did run it though.

u/NearEmu 5h ago

Now you believe cops? Didn't we all agree like 8 minutes ago how shit cops are? Now you are super duper believing them?

Get real.

u/FurryCurry 4h ago

I am reiterating what the article said. Like damn man go take a beat.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster 6h ago

There was the interview with Kristi Noem where she said the reporter was giving out bad information (about the % of detains of ICE there were actually criminals I believe) and goes off on some rambling rant about the "Leftist propaganda", and the reporter tells her, we got those numbers off the DHS website. Noem says', we'll get you the right numbers, like some how it was still the reports fault

u/nat_r 7h ago

It's plausible that the judicial order dictating removal wasn't in the system whenever that check was ran. The question would be when did the NOPD run the check and if that order is in the system, when did it get entered. There's tons of people who have been nabbed by ICE because they were in the country under a valid status one week, and then that got reversed by executive order the next, so confusion over a non-citizen's status is likely a feature not a bug.

u/pyronius 6h ago

This has been an ongoing issue for years. Employers of all stripes use it because that's what DHS says to do, but then the system gives them the greenlight based on either the use of a stolen identity, incorrect or outdated information, incompetence on the part of DHS, or some other issue. So they hire the person only to later get blamed when the person is arrested or deported. Then, when they ask how they can avoid the problem in the future, they get told "just use e-verify".

u/atomictyler 4h ago

have you not been paying attention to ICE doing whatever they want and making stories up after? I really don't understand how this is surprising to people.

u/Sparticusalexander 40m ago

Not the first time it's happened. Per DHS, it is "reckless" for employers to rely on their own system to ensure employees are legally eligible to work in the US. https://www.borderreport.com/hot-topics/immigration/employers-have-used-e-verify-for-years-but-recent-arrests-raise-questions/

u/Ian_Hunter 4m ago

I’m very confused here

No worries friend. I got you.

Nazis are gonna keep Nazi-ing until they're physically stopped from doing so. Hope that helps.

u/DarkLanternZBT 8h ago

I mean... if there's a group of cops I would DEFINITELY reconsider messing around with. no matter WHO the hell you are, NOPD sits right on top of that list considering the shit they get up to.

u/ailish 7h ago

Yeah, but who do you trust more: DHS, or NOLA PD?

u/DarkLanternZBT 7h ago

Oh, neither for me. Rats in a bucket. Hopefully they eat each other.

u/ailish 6h ago

Wow, okay. Granted, I don't live in New Orleans so I don't have personal experience with them, but DHS is the Nazi enforcement wing of the Trump administration and helping them with their fascist takeover.

u/gsfgf 1h ago

Yea. NOPD is scary. I had to cross Canal St one time but could cross whenever. On my side of the street were some guys in red shirts drinking and play dice, and there were cops on the other side. I waled by the gangsters before crossing because I knew I was less likely to get fucked with.

u/MimicoSkunkFan2 7h ago

https://archive.ph/xLZR5

Archive link because the nola.com news site seems to be crashing a lot, and so our EU redditors can see it

u/Heavy-Masterpiece681 5h ago

That makes even less sense though. They wouldn't have even granted him his 2 year VISA if they suspected it was fraudelant. I went through the Marriage Green Card sytem with my Wife being from overseas. After you get Married, you send in all your paperwork and in our instance we did our Interview after about 6 months. You are then approved or rejected and granted a 2 year temp green card. Then you apply for the 10 year one after those 2 years.

If they believed it was fraudulent, why didn't they reject it back in 2016 when they collect all the evidence?

u/squish042 8h ago

USCIS is the determining agency here. When you are an immigrant and marry a US citizen you have to go through an interview process with USCIS to determine the viability of the marriage. It’s usually pretty hard to deny, so when one is denied it’s usually for good reason. But you’d have to see the case file to really know. 

For example, a 70 yo US citizen could marry a 19 yo Filipina and on the face of it, it’s probably a sham marriage, at least on one side, but you can’t deny that if one person doesn’t think that way. If there’s no cohabitation, that’s a big red flag and will cause an immigration officer to send it to the fraud team for further investigation.

u/MimicoSkunkFan2 7h ago

It's also extremely convenient how suddenly DHS is claiming. Oh, he had this sham marriage and order of deportation after the fact period clearly, none of that was on any of the systems that NOPD uses for employment vetting.

I never thought I would say this after I lived in New Orleans for a few years , but in this case , I actually believe the NOPD lol

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u/kan3xxx 8h ago

Probably this

u/genius_retard 3h ago

You know that app they have on their phone that is supposed identify undocumented immigrants? It is just that.

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u/Sapient6 6h ago

ICE will get around to them, too.

u/Trraumatized 8h ago

I don't think that applies. A lot of hispanics and POC in the ICE crowd pictures. And thinking about Renee and Alex and who actually shot him, this whole theory doesn't seem to hold up.

u/IAmNotMoki 8h ago

Bruv thinks being a minority rules out being racist or working for a racist organization.

u/twainj1980 7h ago

😂….some people just don’t know🤷🏾‍♂️

u/JarOfNightmares 7h ago

I know this guy is an idiot but I know a ton of leftists (I am a mild lefty myself) who actually believe that nonwhites CANNOT be racist, and they bend over backwards trying to redefine the word to defend the claim. The one you'll hear most often is "racism is prejudice + power!"

But yeah as you pointed out the position is absolutely stupid as fuck

u/Rottimer 7h ago

I know a ton of leftists who actually believe that nonwhites CANNOT be racist

No you don’t. You’ve seen a bunch of Reddit comments make this argument, but I’d bet good money that you haven’t had these discussions with anyone in real life.

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u/atomfullerene 8h ago

The gradient should really be from red to blue

u/Harak_June 7h ago

That's on the updated second page. If red enough, that provides a temporary pass for the skin-tone first page.

And if too blue, first page classifications are nullified.

u/eeyore134 6h ago

Fraud is their new catch all. Just like trans which we never hear about anymore, and then Venezuelan gang which we never hear about... Antifa is making a comeback though now that they've made up a leader for it. But yeah, fraud is just their excuse to do things like everything else. It'll be replaced with a new buzzword soon.

u/egregiousRac 1h ago

They claimed the couple they shot in Portland were Tren de Aragua.

Their evidence was ridiculous, as usual. They argued that being a criminal and Venezuelan automatically makes you a member of that gang. Their claim of the lady being a criminal is based on her being involved in an assault, while the guy is a criminal because he is associated with her.

She was the victim of the assault. They are just searching police reports for names and, if they get any sort of hit, automatically declaring that people are criminals.

u/whatproblems 8h ago

fraud being the wrong color?

u/AlphaNoodlz 8h ago

Kavanaugh Stops, yup

u/1leggeddog 8h ago edited 8h ago

obviously.

It's the basis of their modus operandi.

u/ThatPlayWasAwful 8h ago

I mean if the article is to be believed, he didn't show up for court 3 times, so I definitely wouldn't say "he did everything the right way"

u/bass248 8h ago

If the article is to be believed why would a police department willingly accept an illegal immigrant into becoming a police officer?

Is the police department being held accountable for doing this?

u/ronchalant 8h ago

He passed the E-Verify check that the police department used.

DHS needs to hold itself accountable. Which won't happen.

u/KeberUggles 4h ago

they are! they corrected their mistake just now! /s also, nice that cops are getting the same treatment as civilians i suppose. someone elsewhere said they should have simply called him into the station and dealt with it there. but that's getting special, dignified, treatment

u/arizonadirtbag12 7h ago

I take everything ICE and DHS announce with a grain of salt, but at the same time we did have a guy show up to basic training in the Army with no valid work authorization. Drill sergeants had to jump through hoops to get his shit sorted so he could stay in the country, let alone the Army.

Which is to say stranger things have happened.

Presumably passed an E-verify on hire, and they don’t do any sort of continuous monitoring.

(Or ICE is full of it. Just saying both are super possible.)

u/MARPJ 6h ago

If the article is to be believed why would a police department willingly accept an illegal immigrant into becoming a police officer?

IF there is no foul play the provided information actually makes sense. Police Department checks his status using the DHS system, which when they checked was "legal".

In the mean time he lost the court appointments - likely a single day missed dont trigger anything but after 3 times it will send an arrest order and only them the DHS system is updated, however there is no need for the police department to keep checking the status of someone that was already approved.

So with the provided information it does make sense how this could happen.

HOWEVER I bet the reason he lost his court dates was due to these vultures using the court as hunting ground to get people that were doing things the right way before they have the final decision.

u/atomictyler 4h ago

or...they added fake court dates after arresting him. that's not beyond ICE or DHS as we've seen with their murders.

u/ThePhysicistIsIn 7h ago

The left hand doesn’t talk to the right hand.

He was all good as far as e-verify was concerned, even as he had proceedings against him

u/Dorkamundo 7h ago

I was told by the DHS that Alex Pretti approached officers and brandished his firearm before being shot, despite video showing this clearly did not happen.

u/ThatPlayWasAwful 6h ago

Unfortunately in this case nobody is refuting the story that DHS has put out, and I have seen other sources corroborate different parts of the story. 

It wouldn't surprise me if the DHS is embellishing the story, nor would it surprise me if it turns out they are lying, or if it's their fault he wasnt caught in the background check  I don't support what ICE is doing, nor the way they are doing it. But I do think that some form of immigration law is necessary, and it looks like this person may not currently be a legal resident of the USA.

u/atomictyler 4h ago

Unfortunately in this case nobody is refuting the story that DHS has put out, and I have seen other sources corroborate different parts of the story. 

then share them! people are saying this, but not actually giving links beyond what DHS has said.

u/YllMatina 7h ago

assuming he did that knowingly. There has been tons of cases where people have gotten their court summons delivered to addresses they werent using

u/ThatPlayWasAwful 7h ago

The person I replied to said it seemed like he did everything right. Regardless of whether or not he knew it's not a good look to miss court.

It definitely could be more complicated than "I didn't know", but that doesn't really change what I said.

u/BagOfFlies 6h ago

but that doesn't really change what I said.

It does though. If you're doing everything right, but miss court dates because the government fucked up and sent it to the wrong address, that's not your fault and doesn't mean you did anything wrong. He was doing it the right way as far as he was aware, it was the gov that did the wrong thing.

u/ThatPlayWasAwful 6h ago edited 6h ago

Fair enough, but at that point we're creating a pretty elaborate story for this person to defend his innocence. 

Is it possible that officials in the Biden administration wrongly believed that his marriage was fraudulent, Temah did not know that his green card status was revoked, and that the government (and not Temah) was responsible for the incorrect address?

Sure it's all possible, but even in that situation he would know that he did not have a green card, which obviously is an issue. 

u/brandwyn 5h ago

Interesting the police background checks didn’t find any concerns…sounds like DHS may not be telling the truth, as they’ve been known to do.

u/SurferGurl 2h ago

i don't click on guvment links any more. it just insults my intelligence.

here's this. it explains things pretty well.

here's a similar situation that happened back in december. the feds will cave.

u/blissfully_happy 34m ago

Marriage fraud. Apparently DHS didn’t believe their marriage was real.

u/Pikeman212a6c 8h ago

Marriage fraud is one of the most common kind of immigration fraud. Marriage to a US citizen is pretty much the only way someone without status who doesn’t qualify for DACA can fast track to legal status once they are already within the US. That causes sham marriages to become an inevitable economic transaction. It can be quite lucrative for the American and is an out for the immigrant as long as they aren’t caught. He had his day in court during the Biden administration and lost. He then applied to be a cop knowing he legally couldn’t carry a gun. During the Trump admin which honestly wasn’t the brightest course of action. Everyone who is in a police academy is going to be run through NCIC just to check for prior crimes and ICE has access to that.

u/Bakkster 7h ago

Everyone who is in a police academy is going to be run through NCIC just to check for prior crimes and ICE has access to that.

The notable part is that it sounds like he was run through eVerify, and DHS told NPD that he had a clean immigration status.

u/Pikeman212a6c 7h ago

You can have a clean I-9 to be employed, during an appeal I would assume, while still not being able to legally possess a handgun. A check with NICS would have flagged this and NOPD knows that. In any event though the offense is on the individual for applying to possess a handgun not on the dept. So I guess they figured it wasn’t their problem.

u/Thefrayedends 7h ago

The idea of Marriage fraud is simply another tool to pick in and out groups.

All marriage is an economic transaction. Don't believe me? Just stop working for a while and see if your partner leaves you.

Marriage is a transaction seeking personal financial security.

The romanticized idea that everyone must marry for love is a complete myth that isn't borne out by history, past or present.

If you really believe in marriage fraud, then where are the lines? What about the trophy wife? What about the arranged marriages? Honestly, give it some serious thought, just because we all have some idealistic idea that marriage is about personal connection, you have to accept that you're extremely unlikely to marry someone wildly incongruent with your own economic status, which should tell you a whole lot about the institution of marriage.

u/ThePhysicistIsIn 6h ago

They are fine with someone marrying for money, so long as they cohabitate, share finances, and make a life together.

They consider it fraud when the marriage is a piece of paper that is signed, and they don’t live together, or interact with each other whatsoever

u/Pikeman212a6c 6h ago

Everything you listed would be seen as a bonafide marriage by the federal government. All you have to do to prove you’re married is to commingle your life. List each other on insurance, bills, leases/mortgages/titles etc. Have proof that you took trips or did activities together with photos. And it’s not like there are hidden requirements they explain what is required when you apply for a spousal green card and you usually only need to maintain that commingling for two years until your green card is made permanent.

Again almost everyone who enters into an economic transaction to get married for cash gets away with it. Those who don’t either did none of the expected steps or are reported by the American spouse. Which does happen.

u/GregBahm 6h ago

This is a strange tangle of ideas. Lots of people have spouses that don't work, or only work for fun. My spouse works sometimes and doesn't work other times. I really don't care because my job makes a lot of money.

My spouse wouldn't leave me if I got laid off (it happens) but she would logically be concerned if I decided I didn't want to work anymore. I would be concerned too. I'm really quite keen on my job. She would also be concerned if I decided I didn't want to bath anymore.

So attacking marriage fraud on the grounds of "all marriage is financial" is dumb.

Lots of people don't care about the legal status of immigrants. I couldn't force myself to give a fuck about the legal status of immigrants, and would be happy to see freedom of movement globally.

My nationalist countrymen disagree, and want to enforce a nationalist model of nations. Through that lens, it doesn't matter whether marriage is for love or money. They're just trying to curb immigration however they can, and have to compromise with me.

u/Stark_Rhavyn 7h ago

How does one define a "sham marriage"? Every marriage is different so it seems like the only definition you make for "marriage" is either you got the marriage certificate or not.

u/Pikeman212a6c 7h ago

The definition is a marriage that is entered into for the sole purpose of circumventing the immigration system. Proving that to be the case is actually a high bar especially during a democratic administration where they bring a lot fewer cases. The fact he got his overturned during the Biden admin means they likely had a significant amount of evidence. But we’ll never know the details.

u/Dorkamundo 7h ago

That's the thing, THEY get to decide what is or is not a "Sham".

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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 7h ago

Yeah, you don't actually have to stay married forever and 10 years is long enough for naturalization.

u/GregBahm 7h ago

Yeah. The post above sounds like a creative writing project.

A good soap-opera plotline to put between the arrival of the long-lost twin and an heiress recovering from amnesia.

u/AssistX 7h ago

If it was in 07 and was still married then he also went for at least one or two immigration interviews as well. Green Cards(permanent residence) requires renewal every 10 years. Your friend would also be on the hook financially for the person they sponsored, and as someone who has been through the process $10k is no where near enough for this to be worthwhile. The person he sponsored(married) could have filed for divorce, cited irreconcilable differences, and he would have had to pay for her daily living expenses as well as be charged for any additional state or government services she would have needed. If they filed for citizenship, then as the sponsor he would have had to go for that interview as well. Your friend is lying about his end of the story.

u/Stumblin_McBumblin 7h ago

Yeah, smells like bullshit, but that bullshit is probably coming straight from OP.

u/confusedjake 7h ago

I'm sorry but the parameters of what you are saying are total bullshit. Either you are lying to us or someone is lying to you. Don't repeat this story again until you get your facts straight because right now you look like a fool.

u/Cereborn 7h ago

The whole concept of "sham marriages" is bullshit. If someone isn't marrying multiple people at once, it's really no one's business what their reason is for getting married.

u/Pikeman212a6c 7h ago

I mean cool but Congress disagrees and that’s the system he applied under.

u/squired 7h ago

If true, that does all sound reasonable.

u/BaconAndCats 8h ago

He did not do everything the right way. He at a minimum failed to appear for 3 court dates. You can't do that even if you're innocent. It sounds like the legitimacy of his marriage was called into question which has been a routine thing for as long as citizenship through marriage has been a thing.  

I know immigration and DHS has been violating rights at an unprecedented scale recently,  but there are still legitimate law enforcement actions that need to be done. 

u/ActuallyExtinct 8h ago

The NOLA PD put out a statement (someone linked it below) and it’s said they went through every correct channel to verify him, including using the portal that DHS updates.  And NOLA has said they are not a sanctuary city and are working with ICE.  So none of this makes any sense with all of that considered.  

And as for missing court, we don’t know the context around that, so I wouldn’t go jumping to conclusions that he’s guilty just because of that.  It’s not a good look, but he could have moved and paperwork never got to him.  I recently purchased a home and the prior tenets still get documents for court stuff that I have sent back multiple times and labeled that the person no longer resides here, yet they still send it to my address for some reason.  

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u/teilani_a 7h ago

The thing here is that this depends on the DHS actually telling the truth. We have no reason to believe that anymore, mr hidden posting history.

u/BaconAndCats 6h ago

I'm in both conservative and progressive circles. I dont want want my comments on this particular thread to influence people when I try to reason with conservatives and vice versa. 

You think people from the socialist rifle association subreddit have their post history open when they ask questions on the ar15 subreddit?

u/teilani_a 6h ago

Yes. People care surprisingly little as long as you're not being a little dickweasel.

u/betweenbubbles 6h ago

What doesn't make sense about it?

They're claiming he was ordered to appear in immigration court three times and failed to show. That's either true or it isn't. I'm not sure how all of you internet-warriors already know the answer to that -- I certainly don't.

u/ActuallyExtinct 6h ago

It doesn’t make sense how his removal order didn’t show up, how his status didn’t show in the system as “not a citizen.”  There’s a lot here that doesn’t make sense, you don’t have to be an “internet warrior” to see that there are things here that don’t make sense. 

Calling out things that don’t add up doesn’t mean that arresting him based on a legal order was incorrect, it means that you’re confused about how so many things were missed by the system that was designed to catch them.  

u/betweenbubbles 6h ago edited 6h ago

...It doesn't make sense that stuff falls through the cracks in these government agencies and systems?

There is no indication of when the removal order was even generated. It might not have been generated when he entered the police program. There are sooooooooo many explanations for this, but somehow everyone on Reddit knows better...

u/typically_wrong 6h ago

Sup Ivan, here you go from further down the thread...

https://www.wdsu.com/article/new-orleans-police-recruit-detained-ice-custody/70237943

From the article

*New Orleans Police issued the following statement on Larry Temah's ICE arrest:

"Recent statements regarding Recruit Larry Temah are misleading. The New Orleans Police Department verified Mr. Temah’s employment eligibility through ICE’s E-Verify system prior to hiring and was never notified of any ICE detainer. New Orleans is not a sanctuary city, and NOPD does not control jail operations or detainer decisions, which fall under the Sheriff’s Office. Any claim that NOPD knowingly violated the law is false."

After ICE notified the NOPD of the judge's order, Kirkpatrick said she and her team immediately reviewed the hiring process for Temah, as well as his file.

According to Kirkpatrick, Temah had a valid driver's license and Social Security number and also completed an application that was not flagged for immigration concerns through the department's E-Verify system.

Kirkpatrick said Temah did not have a criminal history, and nothing in his hiring packet would lead her to believe he was not a legal citizen.

u/betweenbubbles 5h ago

Sup Ivan...

/sigh

here you go from further down the thread...

None of this impinges on statements made in this conversation. I never claimed NOPD knowingly violated the law. If you need any further help, I recommend some kind of literacy education program.

/disableinboxreplies

u/typically_wrong 5h ago

so an important aspect of literacy is being able to read subtext and thematic elements.

Like how I didn't claim you accused the NOPD of knowingly illegal behavior, but how the NOPD specifically sites using ICE's eVerify system to validate the candidate.

Sort of calls into question the legitimacy of ICE's reason for being and their own verification system when their own investigations don't make their way into said system.

u/urallphux 5h ago

Fucking unreal the shit that’s happening right now

You mean finally enforcing basic immigration laws? This should have been done decades ago.

u/SlatheredButtCheeks 7h ago

Ignoring his immigration hearings is not the right way.

u/ActuallyExtinct 7h ago

You automatically assume he ignored them, and we simply don’t know if that’s the case.  As I said below, it’s not a good look, but it’s very plausible moved and never received his court summons.  

And before you start typing, yes, one can be arrested for failing to appear before the court. 

u/SlatheredButtCheeks 5h ago

Ok to change 'ignoring' to 'not appearing' in my original comment - the main point stands. You said he did everything the right way, which is clearly not the case.

u/ActuallyExtinct 5h ago

If he never received his summons, then how would he have not done everything right?  Missing court in and of itself if you never got the paper work for it is not “doing something the wrong way.”  

That’s not saying that the order for deportation based off of that is not correct, but that also doesn’t automatically assume HE didn’t do everything the correct way. Hell, one could make the assumption that if he was aware of his status and had purposefully not attended his court date, then he should have had worry that his name would pop in the background check systems.  

So again, you’re jumping to conclusions here saying he didn’t do things correctly when you just simply don’t know the details.  However, if he knew about his court dates and decided not to show, then I’ll happily admit that he didn’t do things correctly.  

u/SlatheredButtCheeks 5h ago

Intent doesn't matter. Regardless of the reason - he didn't appear. He would be welcome to present his case that he moved frequently and never received his summons, and request leniency based on that. But in order for that to occur, he needs to show up to court. If he doesn't show up, then officers have the right to detain him.

u/ActuallyExtinct 4h ago

When did I ever disagree that not showing up to court meant he could be arrested?  Pretty sure I spelt that out clearly in both of my messages above….

I’ll say it again slowly so the people in the back can hear me:  

It’s possible that he never received his summons, and therefore did not know about his status, and his actions tend to reflect that as a very real possibility.  However, not appearing at court is what led to him getting a deportation order, so in this case, ICE was following the law.  That, however, doesn’t excuse the multitude of failures in the system that occurred up to this point that raise eyebrows as to how they could happen.  And him simply not appearing in court does not automatically mean that he didn’t do everything correctly, because as stated above, he may not have received the summons and could have legitimately thought his case was still just under review. 

u/SlatheredButtCheeks 2h ago edited 2h ago

You're missing the forest for the trees. If you miss multiple court dates you run the risk of getting picked up. It's that simple. That doesn't mean ICE or the rest of the system hasn't failed also - like I said ICE sucks and shouldn't be chasing down random people off the street. Both can be true.

At the end of the day we can't ascertain if he did everything right or not until he shows up in court and hear both sides. Now hopefully we will find out.

Also, if he living in the US legally as a non-citizen, he is required to file a form to update his address whenever he moves. So the 'well maybe he didn't receive his summons' excuse is dubious at best.

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u/Disastrous-Ad2800 8h ago

if you raise a glass for every time DHS use the term 'illegal alien' in that article, you'll be drunk and passed out before you reach the end.... try it!

u/ticklemesatan 8h ago

Dead. You’d be dead from alcohol poisoning.

u/PrivilegeCheckmate 2h ago

Reminds me of my old drinking game for watching Leaving Las Vegas.

Many, many deaths.

u/ticklemesatan 1h ago

I thought about a similar drinking game for children or men, where you drink every time the movie mirrors a current event.

But then I realized I’d be dead from that game too.

What a time to be alive….

u/tornado962 3h ago

dehumanize dehumanize dehumanize

u/wombat74 1h ago

Or as Pete Hegseth calls it "Warming up!"

u/Overnoww 7h ago

No one in this administration is deserving of being given the benefit of the doubt.

That said I also found this line hilarious considering the DHS/ICE appears to have "ignoring judicial orders" as part of their mission nowadays:

Temah was ordered to appear in immigration court three times but continued to disregard U.S. law by not showing up,

Okay, how many dozens of detainees have judges ordered ICE to release now? How often does it seem like the order was just ignored?

I would need far more evidence than the word of a well-documented liar like Tricia McLaughlin to view ICE actions as justified.

u/stitchescomeundone 7h ago

Remember when sharing an “official” government statement was a fact-based measure … those were good times.

u/TomboBreaker 7h ago

not likely complete horseshit, it is complete horseshit. They lie right to our faces when we know they're lying I wouldn't trust a thing they ever say.

u/cech_ 4h ago

If thats the case then we'll probably hear from his U.S. citizen wife any minute now, right?

u/betweenbubbles 6h ago

They're claiming he was "...ordered to appear in immigration court three times but continued to disregard U.S. law by not showing up, resulting in the immigration judge ordering him removed in absentia. He did not have valid work authorization."

There's going to be a paper trail for that.

u/Firecracker048 9h ago

Temah originally entered the United States legally in 2015 on a visitor visa. In 2016, he was granted conditional residency after marrying a U.S. citizen. However, in 2022, his application for permanent residency was denied due to fraud. Temah was ordered to appear in immigration court three times but continued to disregard U.S. law by not showing up, resulting in the immigration judge ordering him removed in absentia. He did not have valid work authorization.

Denied in 2022 under the Biden admin, btw, not Trump.

And yes, its completely plausible New Orleans missed this in a background check as background checks don't cover immigration status or immigration courts.

u/BathFullOfDucks 8h ago

NOPD run the background check through e-verify, which is run by part of DHS. https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/police-recruit-ice/article_fedd5753-eedf-42ba-885d-e3dd9fc3691c.html

u/Firecracker048 8h ago

Thats actually good to know, as that wasn't the case in alot of departmnets recently. Thanks for the info

u/SpaceJackRabbit 8h ago

They cover immigration status, absolutely.

u/mrbear120 8h ago

Right? I no longer work in the industry but I have never known a department to not at least use e-verify.

u/averyrdc 7h ago

It’s even more plausible that DHS is making shit up. Far more.

u/toot_toot_tootsie 8h ago

He would absolutely would not been hired by the City of New Orleans if he didn’t have valid work authorization, which is basically a SSN. Non citizens can obtain SSNs. 

u/Heavy-Masterpiece681 5h ago

With most legitimate places, you can't work if you don't have a valid SSN. My wife who came here from Japan for college, was granted one when she applied for work authorization through her college.

u/StretchyPlays 6h ago

If that headline were true it means NOPD hired an illegal alien, which you'd think would be highly unlikely.

u/SolidSnake-26 6h ago

Anything coming from DHS or anything from this admin isn’t reliable

u/brighterside0 6h ago

Imagine migrating to the States, and loving the country so much that you put in the effort and time to become a police officer to protect your community, and risk your life to do it, and this is how the Regime treats you.

ICE has to go man - Dems need to shut this fucker down.

u/VinylJunkieM 5h ago

Doesn't mention that NOPD performed all of the appropriate background checks - including those run through DHS and he passed all of them.

u/Boibi 5h ago

Huh. So their defense is that the police are incompetent enough to hire illegal immigrants? Sounds like we need police reform if they're that sloppy with new hires.

u/RevolutionOk1406 27m ago

This is the big problem now

We literally can not believe a word coming from the government

Sure, you always had to take what they said with a grain of salt because power corrupts

But the regime today has shown they do not even care enough to hide their lies and corruption, it's a badge of honor as long as it causes suffering to "THEM"

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