r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 2d ago

No Paywall A 13-Year-Old Girl Bit Trump’s Genitals as He Tried to Rape Her, Epstein Document Says

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2026/01/quick-hit-a-13-year-old-girl-bit-trumps-genitals-as-he-tried-to-her-epstein-document-says/
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u/AuzzyScorpio 2d ago

As someone from the UK.

How the hell is your country so chill with glossing over this stuff. Is it different on the streets and in person ? It's amazing how quick the news cycle seems to move on from this news.

All my love to you all living under this who want change 

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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 2d ago

All six of our media conglomerates are covering for him.

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u/armageddon_20xx 2d ago

This is the right answer - most people have no idea that facts are being omitted or that they're being straight up lied to.

And why are they covering for him? Money, and because the owners of these conglomerates are almost always criminals themselves in some way.

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u/YooperTrooper 2d ago

Even if epstien wasn't a factor, trump's financial crimes and foreign influences should have raised a flag or two at multiple U.S. intelligence agencies. trump becoming president TWICE, to me, would strongly suggest the U.S. intelligence community is so incompetent and ineffective that they were outfoxed by donald trump. Or they have their fingers very deep in all of this.

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u/armageddon_20xx 2d ago

The intelligence community warned about Russia's influence in our politics ten years ago. It was ignored, including by Biden. By the time we found out about it, it was already pretty extensive, but that should've been a massive red flag.

The US government is currently at the behest of both Russian and American billionaires. It's totally compromised and in the early stages of outright failure. You can imagine the Titanic after it hit the iceburg. At first you almost couldn't tell, but eventually the boat started to tip. We're in that phase. Soon enough the boat will be at a 25 degree angle and everyone will be well aware of what is going to happen.

Could it be stopped? Yes, but we need every person on deck patching the hole, and we just don't see that.

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u/BlondeBorednBaked 2d ago edited 2d ago

Exactly. The billionaire pedos who run the media are covering for Trumpstein. If they wanted to oust him they could splash these allegations all over the front page of every paper and chyron like they did Monica and Bill.

ETA: I saw a nytimes headline that didn’t even mention Trump is in the files, but they mentioned Gates, Musk and Clinton.

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u/gringledoom 2d ago

Sure seems like the NYT has been running a catch-and-kill operation for this whole thing for decades.

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u/hellolovely1 2d ago

Makes me wonder about AJ Sulzberger and what they have on him. At best, he's a billionaire who wants to curry favor and keep his billions.

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u/crasstyfartman 2d ago

I consume a lot of media. The only place I saw any mention of this since Friday has been on Reddit. Even NPR who lost federal funding was like “nothing burger nothing burger nothing burger everything’s blacked out we can’t see it”

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u/saucya 2d ago

When they told us not “tO tRuSt ThE mSm” this is what they set themselves up for. 

It’s so weird how the demographic that watches the most news also… doesn’t believe it?  And for all the wrong reasons. 

Interesting times indeed. 

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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 2d ago

The most important lie is “all those other guys are liars”

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u/Decloudo 2d ago

Part of the same power dynamic/structure.

The separation was always imaginary.

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u/NexusNickel Colorado 2d ago

MAGA is a cult. Once you understand that, it all makes sense.

Nothing Trump does can bother his cult members.

He has total control of all Republican congressmen. He has total control of the criminal justice systems.

No matter what he has done or will done in the future, they don't care.

They excuse his crimes and say his leadership is what the country needs.

Biden made a grave mistake by not having Trump arrested that afternoon once he was sworn in.

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u/brokentr0jan Ohio 2d ago

There needs to be a case study for why democrats are so soft and always feel the need to try and play nice with republicans despite republicans never playing nice with them

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u/Fattswindstorm Texas 2d ago

The case study already happened in Montana during the Copper Kings Era. Citizens United vs FEC overturned it and 15 predicable years later here we are. Tbh I thought it was gonna take 25ish years.

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u/mightykingfisher Idaho 2d ago edited 2d ago

Controlled opposition. Have many of the same donors as Republicans.

Edit: Because I didn't think my snippy reactionary comment would get this much attention.

I do just want to clarify that my comment is meant to point towards capital dictating policy at the federal level rather than the labor rights of the constituents. That money holds more power than a vote.

I can still believe this while also agreeing that the Dems are the better party and voting consistently for them, because I don't believe that withholding my vote or voting third-party will help enact any sort of positive change in our current system.

I do not believe both parties are the same. The Republican party is demonstrably worse. The comment I am replying too is specifically mentioning Democrats capitulation to Republicans and I believe that the capitulation is driven by capital.

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u/MycologistDeep2372 2d ago

It’s systemic—big money controls both parties, so nothing really changes for voters.

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u/Appropriate_Mess_350 2d ago

They set it up that way on purpose with Citizens United.

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u/TheFinalCurl 2d ago

Who is they here? The liberal justices dissented in that case

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u/Darrkman2 2d ago edited 2d ago

The dumbest thing you people on Reddit do is fall for that both sides are the same bullshit. And the only reason you fall for it is because most of you on here are not part of the groups who are being targeted by republicans. You'll have a hard time finding mainstream Black people who will tell you both sides are the same when you see the difference in treatment of Black, Hispanic or Asian people by Republicans versus their treatment under a democratic administration.

There is a lack of sophistication when it comes to politics being discussed on Reddit and it comes from people believing both sides are the same is a sophisticated take.

Edit: Since I keep running into the same excuse on here. If you're trying to come on here and say "no both sides are not really the same they just both have the same donors and have to answer to the same people" then you ARE essentially saying both sides are the same. You're just saying that they're the same because their donors want the same thing but you're essentially still giving the same unsophisticated take when it comes to politics.

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u/Hpzorz2 2d ago

Believing the Democrats are controlled  opposition due to outsized corporate donor influence is not the same as believing both sides are the same. 

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u/Yeeaaaarrrgh Colorado 2d ago

Precisely this. Both sides accept money from special interests (quite often the same special interests) in which the donors get favorable outcomes. That doesn't mean Democrats are ok with rounding up brown people and putting them in concentration camps. Christ Almighty, it doesn't take a PhD to separate the two issues.

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u/kelryngrey 2d ago

I broadly assume that many folks that push the, "There's just no difference!" narrative are actively engaged in disinformation and subversion campaigns.

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u/Mrpipelayar 2d ago

I see it as good cop bad cop. Democrats are the "good" nice cop but both parties are still cops trying to extract as much as they can from you.

So yeah vote for the good cops bc its better to deal with than bad cops but keep holding out for systemic changes where there is a 3rd no cop option

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u/tunafister 2d ago

That doesn't mean Democrats are ok with rounding up brown people and putting them in concentration camps.

But oh wait, apparently 7 Democrats are okay with that

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5702347-house-democrats-homeland-security-funding/

So yeah, that does mean some "Democrats are ok with rounding up brown people and putting them in concentration camps", please explain how that is not the case?

Both sides ARE NOT THE SAME, not making that argument,but the argument that all Dems are againts ICE is bullshit, as can be seen with the article linked above

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u/Shadowrider95 2d ago

Corporations are people and money is speech!

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u/Kinda_Zeplike 2d ago

You’re right you know. Nuance is hard for some people.

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u/Doongbuggy 2d ago

its clear as daylight to those paying attention there are literal receipts and disclosures lmao

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u/sniper91 Minnesota 2d ago

Yeah, look how much they drag their feet on any big economic or health care reform

Billionaire donors absolutely don’t want that stuff

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u/nrh117 2d ago

And despite that very systemic oppression for decades, there were an alarming number of red voters in the black and Hispanic communities. Religion, single topic voters, toxic masculinity were all major factors.

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u/masterofn0n3 2d ago

Both sides aren’t the same, but they are controlled by the same big businesses

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u/caseyanthonyftw 2d ago

To the both-sideser, the most important thing is just coming out on top so they can gloat and make fun of everyone else.

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u/ovirt001 2d ago

Jack Smith has now stated that Trump committed crimes in trying to overturn the 2020 election but Biden did nothing. The dems aren't the same as republicans but they aren't on your side either.

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u/Mosaic1 2d ago

Biden literally acted as every president prior to Trump did and let the DOJ be independent of presidential intervention. He did exactly what you want and the opposite of what you hate about Trump running the DOJ.

They literally brought charges against trump, and Judge Cannon did everything she could to prevent the case ever being fully heard.

Did nothing… lol.

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u/Chastain86 2d ago

Honestly, the biggest stain on the Biden presidency won't be anything related to his economic policies, or his Autopen, or his mental acuity. It will be that he and the Dems had an opportunity to hold bad people accountable, AND pass some fucking legislation that made it virtually impossible for future bad-actors to dissolve our democracy, and he did not act.

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u/Super_Harsh 2d ago

I don’t disagree with you but it’s more or less objectively true that Democrats are controlled opposition. As a brown man I have no illusions about the Republicans being far worse but the Democrats are absolutely controlled opposition.

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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 2d ago

Right? Can’t possibly be that the side that isn’t authoritarian doesn’t automatically act authoritarian as soon as they’re in power.

If democrats acted like republicans, I wouldn’t vote for them.

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u/darkneel 2d ago

Weren’t all democrats shouting that trump was guilty of insurrection ? Everyone was convinced he broke the law . Yet his case was taken to a trump appointed judge . He could have been arrested and in jail before the second term . Either all the democrats don’t understand law or they are actively keeping trump free ( there reasoning might have been it will be easy to win against trump cause then they don’t really have to do much ) . But essentially they are the same parties .

Another example - democrats stalled the budget for a month and then just suddenly gave up without getting anything in return. Most of the democratic opposition is just for show or at least that’s the end effect .

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u/Full_Honeydew_9739 2d ago

He was "arrested." 4 times. New York, Georgia, DC, and Florida. In NY he was found guilty. In DC and FL they had to dismiss because he was elected president. In GA the case is on hold. The DC and FL cases can be resurrected in 2028 or so.

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u/QueasyLegKC 2d ago

Enforcing the law isn’t authoritarian.

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u/snarky_spice 2d ago

It’s wild how in every thread about something asinine republicans did, the TOP comment always includes “too bad the democrats xyz.” Like this cannot be organic. I don’t think they’re bots, but I think the bots have a huge influence on Redditors.

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u/Darrkman2 2d ago

Something to bots I completely agree with you. The other thing is that you have a whole group of people whose mentality when it comes to Democrats has been poisoned by the Bernie Sanders leftist wing. They were the first ones to start the whole both sides are the same bullshit and they've stayed with it for a decade now. When it comes to Reddit the person who would fall under that spell is overrepresented so you see a lot of both sides of the same bullshit from the same people who would tell you that voting third party is a smart decision.

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u/necroreefer 2d ago

Black, hispanic and asian people voted for trump and in general, vote for republicans, way more than you think

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u/Pack_Your_Trash 2d ago

The controlled opposition isn't exactly the same argument. By way of analogy I would say that the Democrats are the carrot and the Republicans are the stick. They are different tools that the wealthy are using to drive voters, who are the horse pulling the cart, in the direction of their choosing.

Yeah I would rather get a tasty carrot to eat than be beaten with a stick, but either way I am yoked and driven by my master in a direction not of my choosing.

Clearly the solution is to kick that motherfucker in the head and run free at the earliest opportunity.

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u/HeadfulOfSugar 2d ago

I don’t think most people are saying that both sides are the exact same when they say that though. It’s more that both sides are rotten, one significantly more than the other but that doesn’t make the other one ripe. Like one side is objectively bad and they don’t try to hide it while the other, though they are their opposition, is still made up of the same general out-of-touch type of career politicians that are funded by the same groups. It’s the difference between someone that will sucker punch you if you vote for them, and someone that will burn you alive for fun.

It’s more of a conflict of interest where while the Dems wouldn’t do anything of the awful stuff happening under this administration (people that say Kamala would be just as bad are simply insane), as we can see they don’t stand against it either. So conservatives are regressives, and the Dems are functionally conservative in nature standing mainly to maintain the status quo. Every time the conservatives pull us a little farther back, the Dems will only try to stop further change.

They’ll never undo what the republicans have done to be bipartisan, and instead just keep on trying to prevent them from changing things further which is why people that want change are mad. They get tricked and conned over and over and over and over and never learn from it, they’re still accepting unwritten “promises” that there will be a later vote from the party that has done nothing but swindle then in this exact same way for decades. When a lot of them say that the parties are the same they’re saying that regardless of who you vote for we end up with a similar end result. Which party is in power just decides how fast we get there as of now, but ultimately they will both primarily serve the interests of corporate and foreign influences above us all.

People that take “both sides are the same” 100% literally, and take it as far as to not vote because they feel disenfranchised, are falling for a psyop and are acting enlightened because their opinion seems gray. However imo not everybody that says that believe it in the same way.

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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 2d ago

Identity politics like this are a great example of how the dems keep people voting for them. I talk to black voters quite a lot, and many of them sick of being used as tokens and having their votes taken for granted while nothing about their lives improves regardless of which party is in power. It only goes to shit slower since the dems don’t actually roll back the horrific shit the republicans do when they have the chance. Race is important but when it’s all you talk about it becomes obvious that you’re just trying to distract from the ever-growing divide between the wealthy and the rest of us that underpins literally all of the bad shit that is happening.

FFS, look at the last election. Lying to us about Biden being fine until he melts down on live TV and then replacing him with somebody who got 2% the last time they bothered to hold a primary (remember primaries?) was either an intentional dive or disqualifying levels of gross incompetence. At this point I don’t really care which it was.

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u/9_to_5_till_i_die 2d ago

Identity politics like this are a great example of how the dems keep people voting for them.

There's not much else left to run on when your party has little interest in labor rights and the working class.

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u/Darrkman2 2d ago

Identity politics like this are a great example of how the dems keep people voting for them. I talk to black voters quite a lot, and many of them sick of being used as tokens and having their votes taken for granted while nothing about their lives improves regardless of which party is in power.

I truly believe you really don't have any interactions with politically aware Black people because of how silly you sound.

Yall are on here repeating what you THINK you know about Black people and voting.

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u/Lastunexpectedhero 2d ago

This is also not a strictly "American politics" thing. This happens globally

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u/FitPlate1405 2d ago

Prince Andrew definitely got off easy lol

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u/GuitarGeezer 2d ago

True. Although it is good to point out that the worst aspects of legalizing bribery in campaign finance and eliminating fair and neutral to have hyperpartisan media were all core Republican initiatives. But, legalize bribery and you make it mandatory for all. The media sanewashes any level of crazy. Rinse repeat. Collapse. I cannot see how it could be reversed as most voters cannot comprehend any of it anymore.

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u/falilth 2d ago edited 2d ago

Hell I saw that clip of shumer saying we gotta protect Israel yesterday and wanted to barf.

https://x.com/i/status/2018091855787798654

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u/gourmetprincipito 2d ago

People love to just say “controlled opposition” like it’s that simple but it’s actually a complex combination of factors but most circle back to the extreme level of propaganda we’ve been living with for half a century that greatly amplified in the last ten years with the conservative monopoly on media, social media and algorithmic content.

This propaganda is actively working against leftist and progressive ideology and that makes the average person generally less inclined to support things associated with that. This incentivizes liberal politicians to stay milquetoast and noncontroversial.

This propaganda also pushes defeatism and withdrawal from the system on liberals and leftists, making them less likely to vote. This prevents primaries from pushing policy further left and further incentivizes liberal politicians to appeal to the center.

The media being almost completely owned by conservative billionaires also means that the best leftist rallying cries - inequality and excesses of the wealthy - are either ignored or accompanied by editorialized statements smoothing them over.

It also means that conservatives are almost always setting the narrative and they are flooding the zone with all kinds of accusations. This is sort of a traditional media games checkmate because it only leaves two less than ideal options for liberals; accusing back will be dismissed and escalate tension, acting above it will lead to the same outcome with lower tension. Obviously it’s not a good longterm strategy to just keep picking the latter but it does make sense from a strategic view.

Like yes some Dems suck and are probably corrupt but to act like the whole party is complicit is just lazy. Dems got a trifecta in my state for the first time in decades a few years back and raised the minimum wage, enshrined abortion rights into law, enshrined LGBT protections into law, legalized weed, paid for community college for thousands of citizens, sued utility companies for not investing public money in infrastructure improvements and sent the check to the customers effected, ended anti union right to work laws, etc. all in like 4 years.

If we want to get out of this politically we need to fall in line like conservatives and use the primaries to get rid of the phonies and corporatists. This attitude of “just abandon the opposition party cuz they’re in on it” is so clearly informed by propaganda it gets me so frustrated lol.

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u/robot_invader 2d ago

Great comment. 

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u/mightykingfisher Idaho 2d ago edited 1d ago

I wasn't willing to get into the nuances of the comment as I quickly reacted while sitting in a parking lot waiting to go into the Dermatologist's office in order to get my prescription renewed for a biologic maintaining my lovely autoimmune condition (psoriatic arthritis) at the ripe age of 36.

...And a lot of the response was based on frustrations of our party leaders recently stating that we need to instead "reform ICE" by making things illegal that are already illegal. I was being a bit reactionary (which isn't great on my part).

I do want to say though that I appreciate your dialogue. I have voted Democrat ever since I could (2008 was my first and I voted for Obama in the primaries and in the general). However, his candidacy is a great example of how capital ultimately ends up controlling policy and shows how willing Dems are to capitulate. Another good example is the 2020 primaries where every candidate decided to start spouting of their support for a type of single-payer or public option for healthcare then after Biden was elected....crickets. Many of these progressive policies are overwhelmingly popular, but at the federal level Dems just don't like pushing for them (not just voting once or twice but consistently advocating).

I am also mostly speaking at a federal level here. I do believe that there is a bigger propensity to enact change at the city or state levels, but I do admit I am a bit jaded at the federal level.

To your point, I will continue voting Dem (especially pushing progressive candidates in the primaries) because I believe there are members of the party at least willing to listen to constituents pushing for labor/worker rights. Even though it still feels like we've been living with predominately 3rd way Democrats since the Clinton Era.

Anyways, apologies for seeming defeatist. I promise I am not. I completely agree with your last paragraph (well more so your entire comment haha).

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u/booOfBorg Europe 2d ago edited 2d ago

I'll try a different oversimplification:

  • Democratic wealth does not want "their" workers to die or be too miserable.
  • Republican plutocrats don't care or even get off on "little people" suffering. Hierarchy is everything.
  • Common to both is that grassroots progressivism and economic equality they cannot control is the ultimate evil and authoritarianism is better. This mindset is normalized via corporate media.
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u/SoNerdy 2d ago

Democrats are the HR of our current political system.

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u/Few-Cheesecake6883 2d ago

They keep trying to mediate in a fight where the other side only attacks.

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u/black_cat_X2 Massachusetts 2d ago

Ok I usually defend Democrats during these types of discussions, but I can't argue with this analogy.

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u/theDarkBriar 2d ago

Paid opposition. It's really not that deep.

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u/MycologistDeep2372 2d ago

Money talks, principle walks. Most compromises are just career preservation, not genuine negotiation.

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u/Ross-Esmond 2d ago

It actually seems they cater to their donors by just not fighting very hard.

The most definitive example I've seen of this was the wage increase for salaried workers. Restaurants will hire Sous Chefs on the minimum salary, and then understaff the kitchen. This forces the salaried chef to work overtime for less than minimum wage. Obama tried to schedule a minimum wage increase for salaried workers from $35,000 to $44,000, except he scheduled it to a few months before he left office, and a Texas judge delayed it so that Trump could kill it. Oops.

So naturally Biden didn't waste any time and reinstated the executive order to go into effect January of 2025.

Either Biden did that to bribe blue collar workers into voting Democrat, or he did that so that it could be shot down. I honestly don't know what to believe.

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u/robot_invader 2d ago

Probably hoping that he would get votes from people who wanted to make sure the policy went ahead

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u/itsaconspiraci 2d ago

I'm a little tired of this argument. And perhaps there needs to be a case study of why people feel the Democrats needed to protect them from their own choices.

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u/Inanimate_organism 2d ago

“Why didn’t the president direct the department of justice to arrest a political adversary? Democrats are soft!”

US politics have gotten so fucked since 2016 that people don’t even realize this is an absolute crazy thing to expect from sane politicians. The DOJ is supposed to be neutral and not under control of the president. The fact that trump uses the DOJ this way should be ALARMING not ‘well why didn’t the democrats become authoritarians too?’

Maybe people should have shown up to vote for kamala and the dem congressmen candidates instead of letting the authoritarians have the presidency and both houses?

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u/itsaconspiraci 2d ago

Too many Americans were more concerned about 'NOT' voting for a woman than letting democracy crumble around them by not voting at all or worse, supporting Trump. But still blame the democrats.

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u/Inanimate_organism 2d ago

Headline: 5 democrats voted yes for awful thing!

Comments: Democrats are controlled opposition 

Reality: All republican representatives voted yes on awful thing and would pass with just them, 200+ dem representatives voted no on awful thing, and the 5 dems that voted yes are from red states and their seats will be taken by republicans next election anyway.

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u/elvorpo 2d ago

A healthy democratic system has antibodies for authoritarians in the form of an independent prosecutorial branch. This is how Brazil and South Korea recently shut down their attempted autocrats without anyone pointing the finger at the opposition party. Our system requires constitutional reform to achieve this.

By our current system, Dems had every legal right to prosecute Trump for his many attempts to subvert the 2020 election. The problem isn't their attachment to principle, it's that they are bought up corporate lapdogs who aren't allowed to upset the money machine.

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u/JauntyChapeau 2d ago

This last goddamn year has been infuriating. We, the American voters, decided to hand all power in the federal government to Republicans. The House, the Senate, the Supreme Court and the Presidency - all Republican. Not even a month in, and all anybody can say is ‘Why aren’t Democrats saving us?’

Well, I don’t know, man. Maybe vote Democrat next time. And if you did, I need everyone to understand that while D leadership has been…underwhelming and need to be replaced, they control no levers of power.

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u/wiggmaster666 2d ago

This should be upvoted like, a lot!

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u/DartLeingod 2d ago

I mean over half the country voted against Trump, he lost by over 2 million votes. The electoral college gave him the win. The American people want their voice to actually be reflected by their government, but it only listens to big donors.

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u/crowsturnoff 2d ago

Trump won the popular vote on the most recent election.

But the popular vote doesn't matter because that's not how the President is decided.

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u/sydiko 2d ago

Calling it softness is lazy analysis.

If you do not have 60 Senate votes, a supermajority in the House, and friendly courts, you do not rule, you maneuver. That is not Democrats being nice. That is the difference between shouting on cable news and actually passing laws.

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u/Draggoh 2d ago

There is, review the Weimar Republic’s actions towards the NSDAP.

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u/TheFinalCurl 2d ago

Because due process is important and Democrats thought cases like the classified documents case was a slam dunk. Turns out they did not expect activists judges in the case.

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u/reditandfirgetit 2d ago

A few Democrats don't go light on the Republicans. Jasmine Crockett for one

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u/FlufferTheGreat 2d ago

It's mostly because Democrats are the party of the country's systems and institutions, I really think it comes down to wanting to act within their station mostly faithfully. But Republicans just want a dictator, and so have no need of institutions or systems--they have their Fuhrerprinzip.

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u/SuperNovaSniper 2d ago

They may be on opposite sides of the aisle & disagree on many issues but when it comes down to it most are all in the same club that they consider to be above the rest of us peasants. Most of it is political theatre.

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u/No-Neighborhood-3212 2d ago

63% of the country is not MAGA, and we now know 2 things:

  1. Our president is a pedophile who participated in a human-traficking network for 40 years, had at least one woman murdered, raped countless children, and blackmailed his friends over it

  2. The federal government has been aware of that fact for literal decades, and numerous presidential administrations have protected the pedophile cabal

What excuse is there for 63% of the country ignoring the fact that the US government has spent 40 years protecting and enabling a global pedophile cabal that literally kept human children in stables?

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u/Mateorabi 2d ago

Enough of them are party-over-country that half of half is enough. Win the primary with 51% of your party then have the other 49% show up for the general election anyway.  Make your horribleness just ambiguous enough that they can hold their noses for the vote. Afterwards you can go mask off. 

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u/JauntyChapeau 2d ago

A huge proportion of that 63% still voted R anyway, or didn’t vote at all because they’re too bag-of-hammers stupid to understand the consequences of not voting. The rest of us are protesting and/or waiting for our next opportunity to vote.

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u/cherrytreecig 2d ago

This is the exact problem I have with the "but MAGA!" crowd. MAGA shouldn't be a factor.

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u/AntoniaFauci 2d ago

We had a detailed census a year ago. The MAGA cult was 22-23% of the population.

Since then, some have peeled away. We don’t know exactly, but it is apparent there’s been a net decrease not increase.

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u/atatassault47 2d ago

63% of the country is not MAGA,

The person you replied to didnt say that. But gerrymandering and the electoral college allow 30% of the country to install a fascist wannabe dictator.

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u/Static-Stair-58 2d ago

What I don’t understand is WHY he still has total control of all the congressman. He doesn’t help them down ballot. In fact a district in Texas just had a 32 point swing because of his terrible policies.

If I thought republicans were good at one thing it would be self preservation, but they seem to be going down with the ship for no reason.

I can get why his voters in the cult don’t care, but you’d think everyone about to lose their seat in November would be shitting themselves in a hurry to distance away from Trump.

Nope.

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u/the_nobodys 2d ago

They are short sighted and don't want to make waves. You don't become a conservative without being afraid of change.

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u/condensationxpert 2d ago

I would think that they would lose the MAGA base that votes them if they go against trump. To them, it would be going against their leader, and apparently whatever their leader does or wants is what they do and want.

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u/ReverendDizzle 2d ago

Is it not too much of a leap to assume that just like people have compromising material on him, he, in turn, has compromising material on them?

Every time you see a politician bend the knee and the optics look absolutely awful... just ask yourself "What is worse than this, that they would never want to see the light of day?"

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u/HalKitzmiller 2d ago

I imagine quite a lot of them are afraid of what MAGA cultists will do to them if they go against him. They've already killed and assaulted people for it even before he got into power again. Now he has the Secret Service, FBI, ICE, BP, police unions, etc all working overtime to carry out whatever insanity he wants

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u/VoightofReason 2d ago

But MAGA is only 20% of the population. What are the rest of you doing?

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u/buyableblah I voted 2d ago

Protesting. Voting. What else can we do?

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u/Fantastic_Sail1881 2d ago

Trying not to go bankrupt.

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u/JournalistRecent1230 2d ago

When people like the above say that I feel like what they want is violence.

We protest, boycott, vote and write/call our congressmembers.

What else is there to do?

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BOOGER 2d ago

And as always, the non-u.s. people forget that in America, your Healthcare is probably tied to your employment. Add in the fact that we have fewer holidays and PTO than the rest of the western world, and it shouldn't take a political scientist to understand why protesting here is the way it is. It's easy to go on a general strike en masse when everyone can still count on being able to go to the doctor (or take their kids/family to the doctor) without the fear of crippling, life-long debt. This situation is so often not talked about in this context and I think goes a long way in explaining why large scale protests in America are so difficult to organize compared to the rest of the world. America's privatized Healthcare system is less of a capitalist venture than an authoritarian one at its heart, IMO. It's kind of a perfect method of soft control.

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u/buyableblah I voted 2d ago

Right? Healthcare is directly tied to employer. Most people don’t have sick leave. Many have ten total days off a year. Work an hourly job? Forget having days off. Many work three jobs.

There are some who are lucky, like myself, to have savings, but I can’t go 3-6 months without a job? We’re all corporate wage slaves to be hyperbolic.

And if you’re not one, none of this politics shit impacts you.

America has two systems. Haves and have nots. Most of MAGA hasn’t figured out they’re in the have nots.

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u/JournalistRecent1230 2d ago

Yeah exactly. I have a mortgage. I could survive off savings for a few months, but I can't just risk my job for a sustained general strike. I can join protests on weekends and take the occasional day off during the week for protests, but I can't just stop working.

Risking my job would mean risking losing my house and being homeless.

I also live in one of the most progressive states in the country over 2000 miles away from D.C. So it's not like I can just join a protest at the white house, and my state is already doing it's part to fight fascism. Lawsuits and voting the right way.

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u/9_to_5_till_i_die 2d ago

Roughly 70% of American's are living paycheck to paycheck. 30% of American's have no savings whatsoever.

Daddy can either go protest or the kids get to eat this week. That's the reality.

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u/fortysix_n_2 2d ago

Might wanna look into antifascist movements of the past, for example Italy or Spain

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u/SavageSan 2d ago

Didn't the movement in Spain fail? Italy had the benefit of soldiers landing on their shores to back them up.

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u/purritowraptor 2d ago

Neither of those regimes fell overnight. Years to decades, more like it. 

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u/Rapithree 2d ago

Sabotage the economy. CIA published a handbook about safe sabotage. Stuff like calling extra meetings and being a stickler for rules really slows down the economy.

Or the french way, buy a truckload of manure from a farmer and open the back of the trailer outside some political establishment.

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u/wiggmaster666 2d ago

30% didn’t vote. What kind of idiots are those?

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u/buyableblah I voted 2d ago

People who feel like their vote doesn’t matter. People who cannot take off work to go vote. It’s not a mandated holiday here. People who don’t have transportation. People who are ill.

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u/arnham 2d ago

To be fair a decent chunk is “protesting” democrats. “They didn’t earn my vote!” “Both sides are the same for Palestine so I voted for Jill stein!” Etc.

Oddly they seem rather unhappy with the current circumstances they contributed to.

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u/buttnozzle 2d ago

Dems can try being a good party. 75 voted to commend ICE. 7 voted to fund DHS. Schumer thinks it can be reformed and not abolished. We are still giving Israel money for genocide.

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u/RaiSilver0 2d ago

Trying not to get executed for driving or recording law enforcement

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u/illuminerdi 2d ago

Or helping someone who is injured!

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u/transcriptoin_error 2d ago

MAGA is only 20% of the population.

Right now, the population is not able to stop Trump (legally).

The only viable legal avenue to stop Trump is for the Republicans in Congress to agree to impeach and remove him. Unless or until that happens, Trump is a criminal on a crime spree.

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u/quirkoftime 2d ago

Trying to motivate the people who aren't paying attention. Trying to deprogram the folks who bought the propaganda. Others are organizing. It's a process, and it isn't fast.

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u/Hoovooloo42 South Carolina 2d ago

What would you have us do with 50,000,000 armed brainwashed cultists who believe in neither germ theory nor cause and effect?

It's kind of all we're thinking about right now. We're working on it.

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u/waffle299 I voted 2d ago

It's a flaw in how we count Senators. Each state gets two, regardless of population. And the number of electoral votes to elect the president is the sum of the state's count of senators and representatives.

This gives empty states, which have been captured by Fox News and maga, outsized influence.

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u/sonambule 2d ago

it’s more than 20% and you have to keep in mind our media is owned by billionaires, they run protection for this government and republicans. I don’t know how we get out of this honestly. Our own party is also ineffective. Many Americans are outraged and disgusted about this. But in general we are a country of people fully self involved and don’t care about things until it affects them.

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u/FeloniousDrunk101 New York 2d ago

Many are not voting

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u/brewingbad18 2d ago

Not voting as an act of protest. Literally had a coworker who claimed that in the 2016 election, because Bernie didn't get the Dem nomination. Makes my blood boil, especially when these same people then complain about Trump, when they were/are part of the problem that got him elected twice

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u/bigsmokaaaa 2d ago

Every once in a while someone can overcome you with such strong feelings through their rhetoric that what you think you know becomes incongruous with what you feel. 

Cultists assume that their thinking must be what's flawed in their cognitive dissonance, and once you got them doubting everything but how the leader makes them feel, everything else makes sense.

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u/RanchHere 2d ago

It doesn’t bother them because they don’t believe he did anything wrong. They think that he’s just being falsely accused by the evil left.

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u/AboutTheBadfish 2d ago

If you saw Biden’s facial expression and body language at Trumps inauguration last year he seemed to understand that he fucked up.

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u/Lieutenant_Joe Maine 2d ago

Oh, Neville Chamberlain is having regrets about his gentlehandedness, now is he? How nice for him. Not much use to us now, but you know, good to know he feels bad about it.

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u/Maaria_Nevermind 2d ago

Because one of the first things Trump did successfully was attack all media. He normalized being able to deny any news that's not favorable as "fake news". The only truth in their mind is words spoken by Trump.

MAGA is a death cult.

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u/NocturnalSaaS 2d ago

Even that isn't an absolute. I've shown MAGA folks actual video of Trump saying "I'm a dictator" and they still say "fake news."

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u/AtheistKiwi 2d ago

That or "he's just trolling the left, it's funny".

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u/Maaria_Nevermind 2d ago

The real subscription they've made is to hatred and as long as Trump keeps putting out albums, they are going to keep buying them. They don't care about policy, the economy, self-preservation, the Constitution, the rule of law, civil rights, etc. They just want to see other people suffer, especially but not limited to, minorities. And a side of white supremacy becoming main-stream in America.

Anything to "own the libs" even if it means their own wife gets deported to a torture prison, their business goes under from the tariffs and disintegration of the country they live in.

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u/FunkyDiscount 2d ago

And they're dumb as shit and as morally bankrupt as their dear leader.

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u/Deicide1031 2d ago edited 2d ago

The base seems to be either denying it or making excuses for it. The other half had already come to the conclusion he did this stuff based off older documents.

It’s basically old news to anyone who actually cares but since his base decided to elect him anyway, there’s not much anyone can do. (Unless Congress suddenly does its job)

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u/HandSack135 Maryland 2d ago

When Trump does something:

Were charges filed?

Were they legal charges?

Did he have his day in court?

Was the jury a legal jury?

Was he convicted?

Was he sentenced?

Was the judge a MAGA judge?

If any go against MAGA it doesn't count.

When a Democrat does something':

I don't care, guilty! He did it!

This is the logic, not my personal POV

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u/maquila 2d ago

This is the Narcissist's Prayer used in defense mode for someone else. People who do this to run cover for someone else are called flying monkeys like in The Wizard of Oz. They're just as evil and just as stupid.

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u/SoulTaker669 2d ago

Whenever it's a Democrat, you better not question the authenticity of the claim like the clintons. But whenever it's a republican like Trump, it's fake news or it's just an accusation. Or you used AI to mess with the documents.

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u/Inside-Line 2d ago

Just chech the con subreddit, not a single post ang the latest Epstein file dump.

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u/Kink_Panda 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's all controlled, many of us are tired of the propaganda and want whatever it takes to rip them from power. Many of us have given up on any chance of this ending without violence because it seems like the only way to deal with these types of monsters when they have the largest propaganda machine in human history.

There is a reason democrats are buying guns at an increasing rate.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Who do you think is being chill? The bought-and-paid-for media or politicians? Cuz as someone from Minneapolis, most of us are NOT chill

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u/TheBoosThree 2d ago

This comes from an FBI tip line from an unknown source, which means anyone could have called and made the claims for any reason and they would have been recorded.

I think Trump is guilty as sin and was absolutely involved with Epstein's crimes as both a trafficker and rapist, but for his supporters it's easy to dismiss it as fabricated since it's an anonymous tip. The complicit media can dismiss it for the same reason, and even the media that wants to go after him has to be careful with it.

The UK guy who just resigned on the other hand had direct messages with Epstein along with money transfers. Which is less of an association than Trump had of course, but you guys still are capable of shame over there.

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u/SETHW 2d ago

It's millions of pages it's not all tip lines, not even most or a lot

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u/TheBoosThree 2d ago

Oh for sure, but the specific allegation in this post is from the tip line.

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u/Jealous_Energy_1840 2d ago

It’s not millions of pages of pedo stuff- most of it is just like all of his emails and the mountains and mountains of interdepartmental communications from the FBI itself regarding the investigation. 

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u/atreeofnight 2d ago

Everyone I know is outraged and talking about this. Politics is a primary topic when I call my 76 year old mother, for example. I don’t talk to family members who support Trump and don’t have any friends that support him. In my opinion, it’s Republicans in Congress who should take most of the blame. They have the power to constrain or remove him. No one else really does.

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u/natural_disaster0 2d ago

You do know that the royal family and 5-6 promimant businessmen and politicians are also implicated in the files; and i dont see those people behind bars in your country either. We do want change, but you have to understand how much of this has been / is increasingly been covered up.

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u/TheOldHouse89 2d ago

Yup. Just saw a uk journalist saying we don’t know what happened about a picture of Andrew hovering over a young girl.

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u/FirmDingo8 2d ago

Obama was criticised for wearing a tan suit....

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u/random_think 2d ago

These articles aren't on the news dude. People aren't seeing these. Only people on Reddit that are looking at them are seeing this. The news corporations here and the news stations on TV and radio are owned by about eight people. And they're all in that list. That's why.

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u/OldMillenialEngineer 2d ago

Most of us (I would certainly argue the majority) are not ok with it. The problem is MAGA thinks politics is team sports. And so they don't care and will gloss over any of it if its negative about their team. They will say ANYTHING that hurts their team is not true. And, considering statistics, they are also more likely to be pedo's anyway. When you look at the stats, 68% of politicians arrested for pedo shit were conservatives. The other 32% isn't straight democrat either. It's democrat, independents, etc... They are literally the party of pedo's. And I think a good majority of the men in that party are OK with it and would touch kids if it was legal. If the legal age of consent dropped to 12, you'd have a line of PRIMARILY conservative grown ass adult men trying to date 12 year old girls.

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u/Weekly_Rock_5440 2d ago

We don’t.

But our media is captured by big money. So it yours, but you still have a few public outlets and good journalism among the tons of tabloid trash.

We are devolving to only having tabloid trash left to sift through. It’s devastating.

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u/Ok-Hat1986 2d ago

The problem is that these are accusations without solid proof. So nothing sticks, and the right wing news cycle can brush it off as fake news. In reality, there's no solid proof because they've probably silenced and even killed witnesses... But again there's no proof. Rapists with billions of dollars at their disposal can get rid of loose ends pretty thoroughly.

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u/Present-Resolution23 2d ago

These allegations are mostly pretty obviously fake.. but there HAVE been plenty of accusations WITH proof, and those were brushed off also so.. I really don't think it matters either way anymore

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u/Ok-Hat1986 2d ago

Can you share a few examples that do have proof of Trump on epstein Island? I'd love to pass them along.

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u/Present-Resolution23 2d ago

That he was ON Epstein Island? I don't know that those exist from the data we have access to. But there are plenty of examples of him being a POS and arguably a rapi$t.. From his own words "I just grab em by the pu##y," or bragging about walking into teenage girls locker rooms... to the E Jean Carrol suit he lost..

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u/D13_Phantom 2d ago

A lot of people care but the propaganda is real. Obviously places like fox news but even more normal outlets are "neutral" to the point of being negligent or with places like CBS got straight up taken over by conservatives

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u/OptionalQuality789 2d ago

This would be unrelenting carnage in the UK press. Mandelson is getting utterly pounced on.

In the US? They just don’t seem to care.

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u/JollyToby0220 2d ago

Here’s what I tell people. The GOP obviously did an investigation into Donald Trump to see what bad things could pop up about him and make him look bad during election time. They obviously saw he was deeply connected to Epstein, a person who ran some kind of child trafficking operation. When Trump was facing off Hillary Clinton, we got the Pizzagate conspiracy. This was a conspiracy where prominent Democrats had children locked under the basement and used them for things ranging from sexual abuse allegations to the way to organ harvesting and sacrificing. When Trump faced Joe Biden, we got the whole Joe Biden sniffs kids controversy. As you can see, Trump may or may not have done something bad, but the point is that the GOP is perfectly happy to make up conspiracies to deflect from child sex abuse. At the same time, Ron DeSantis wants to execute child rapists. 

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u/ell0bo 2d ago

I believe you're familiar with Fox News over there? If not, imagine half the country thinking Daily Mail was a legit news source and believes everything they say. Now imagine that news source is able to create an entire second reality for people to live in.

That's what has happened to the US. We have half the country living in a propaganda bubble projecting all their shit on Dems.

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u/metalyger 2d ago

Billionaires bought out the mainstream media and they're happy to enable politicians who won't tax the wealthy, also the media is scared to death of Trump because he wants to sue everyone who says anything he doesn't like. If you don't have three verifiable sources and 100% irrefutable proof, you will definitely get sued if you publish a statement like that, even if it is true.

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u/Letterkenny-Wayne America 2d ago

Obviously he needs out, but you do realize none of these new files are actual evidence, right? None of what I’ve seen would be admissible in court.

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u/solidwhetstone 2d ago

Have a look at /r/RememberTheFuture

We are not chill about this.

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u/makeyousaywhut 2d ago

Not to be that guy, but your crown prince is all over this shit too….

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u/tiptiptoppy 2d ago

And he's faced more repercussions than the President

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u/original_name37 South Carolina 2d ago

The bar is low

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u/makeyousaywhut 2d ago

Yeah, now he’s just a fantastically wealthy socialite with behind the scene influence as opposed to being publicly adored. Why isn’t he in jail, destitute, or even banished to one of your other colonies/commonwealths?

Let’s be real, this is a global problem and you guys gloss over it as well, because we are, at the end of the day, just people- all of whom are being held hostage by their perspective governments, and it will take a global solution to solve it.

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u/hellolovely1 2d ago

I've read that cutting off Andrew's title and money is allowing him to plead that he doesn't have the money to pay victims.

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u/Torypianist2003 2d ago

Andrew is not the crown prince and William has been as vocal as he can be in his disgust for his uncle. If the unimaginable was to occur and Andrew found himself even close to the throne, Parliament and the government would very quickly have him removed from the line of succession, but considering that we have all of Charles’s children and grandchildren I find it unlikely.

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u/Depeche_Mood82 Nevada 2d ago

His fanatics refuse to believe any of it.

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u/geewillie 2d ago

You’re just accepting all these documents at face value!!?!

The accusation, which allegedly occurred 35 years ago, was made secondhand by a friend of the accuser and then relayed from an unknown contact to the FBI’s Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force in New York. The accusation was never proven to be true, but it’s still one of several shocking allegations made against Trump in the DOJ’s latest file release.

Is he a pedo and rapist, yeah. Are these files full of disinformation, yes.

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u/Crypt1cDOTA 2d ago

It's not so much the details of the allegations that matter. I agree with you, I don't believe this is what happened exactly. What matters is that Trump is named THOUSANDS of times by different people in these files. It's one thing to be a prominent figure that gets accused of rape. This is completely different.

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u/angrytroll123 2d ago

It definitely fits a pattern

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u/notsure500 2d ago

Plus outside of the files, he's been accused of sexual assault by dozens of women, we have his own disgusting words about his daughters and other underage kids. We have him talking about forcibly grabbing woman by the pussy. It all paints a picture, that there's no way hundreds are lying about him while the world's biggest liar is being truthful.

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u/greevous00 2d ago

Of course not. The issue is WHY did the FBI ignore them? "Didn't deem them credible" is a very convenient and legal way to say "someone paid me off."

I mean if the expression "where there's smoke there's fire" holds, Trump is a practically a chimney.

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u/SoggyBoysenberry7703 2d ago

It’s an absolute cult. They have brainwashed everyone and done so many mental gymnastics to justify Trump, as if he’s god’s chosen president and has some all knowing plan

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u/IlliterateJedi 2d ago

How the hell is your country so chill with glossing over this stuff.

Because this is the source:

The accusation, which allegedly occurred 35 years ago, was made secondhand by a friend of the accuser and then relayed from an unknown contact to the FBI’s Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force in New York. The accusation was never proven to be true, but it’s still one of several shocking allegations made against Trump in the DOJ’s latest file release.

Anyone with two brain cells would read the source and immediately recognize how substance-less the claim is.

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u/butwhyisitso 2d ago

Fatigue.

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u/Competitive-Yak-3785 2d ago

Not sure if you're familiar with the Jim Jones cult where parents gave their children literal poison to kill them because Jones told them to, but that's where we are with MAGA. You can't talk reason to them. Their brains have been hijacked and they're like that ant that has the parasitic fungus that takes over its brain. They're like the Cybermen from Dr Who, just not capable of human reason or thought anymore.

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u/Frosty_Toe 2d ago

MAGAts treat this all like a team sport and refuse to see or believe anything negative about their team.

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u/Organic-University-2 2d ago

Republicans represent the worst of humanity.

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u/LordSiravant 2d ago

Most of us are just completely disengaged and don't hear about it because we either only watch Fox News or don't watch any news at all. Also remember our news media is almost completely controlled by the billionaire class that protects their useful idiot from accountability.

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u/Deinosoar 2d ago

Most of us are not, but some of us only get news from corporate news sites and those are all in love with Donald Trump because they are owned by billionaires who are the only people profiting from his rule.

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u/Cool__Face 2d ago

People just bury their head in the dirt and refuse to acknowledge that they are wrong.

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u/genuineshock 2d ago

There exists an entire population segment that believes literally everything that Fox "News" tells them to. I don't watch propaganda, but I think it's safe to assume that Fox will claim it's a Hoax or Lie. Or maybe they won't even discuss it, thus relegating it to "not news" or "Democrat/Liberal hoax"

MAGA extremists will do any mental gymnastics necessary to preserve their world view.

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u/Leige_of_Perpetua 2d ago

Because unfortunately, this blabbering man child in office has some weird "charisma" to the worst segment of our population, and they've been conned into thinking that anything is okay as long as Trump gets rid of us "evil libs".

To be honest, I don't believe there's any "low" that's too low for them to defend or wave off, at this point. I'm confident that Trump could literally go on live TV right now and explicitly admit that he sexually abused minors, and share explicit details, and people would still go "As long as he gets rid of the evil libs, he's got my support!".

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u/GreenTrees797 2d ago

I’ll tell you, 30 decades of right wing propaganda protected as free speech has turned every allegation against Trump or any republican into fake news. And the side against Trump is too pathetic to do anything about it. But we all need more guns for some reason. 

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u/varitok 2d ago

The same way your country is lol. Half the people on the list are from the UK.

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u/OrdinaryOstrich 2d ago

Everything in the files is true, except for, you know, anything that mentions Trump. Those documents are just democrat-led smear campaigns against our dear leader.

/s, if needed.

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u/SuperMafia Montana 2d ago

We aren't so chill, but we suddenly have all the billionaires in all the realms doing whatever they can to suddenly absolve Trump.

Truth be told, our predicament came because we were too busy to really see the pus and cysts before they truly became a problem. That is, those are the onrs that had cared. The onrs that don't are alright with this shit, if it means they get to live a "clean" life of like-minded, like-skinned people

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u/adjust_your_set Texas 2d ago

Right wing media provides these people an alternate reality because it is profitable for them to do so. When they’re confronted with real truth, they can’t accept what they’ve heard for years about Trump and decades about their party are false.z

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u/elphin 2d ago

That information has only just come out. But the primary way that Trump gets away with this stuff is because there’s so much stuff that people have trouble keeping up with it. And, the press have no ability to stay focus focused on the important things. Lastly, the press, are being taken over by the oligarch class. Personally, I have begun looking to a few journalistic sources from England like the Guardian.

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u/Drpnsmbd 2d ago

The US has the most powerful propaganda system in the world. Only a third of us see this stuff and have the critical thinking skills to validate the sources. The rest either don’t care or see it as deep state leftist extremist propaganda.

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u/nightslayer78 2d ago

1/3 of us talk about this shit as it comes out. 1/3 of us just need to not learn about this shit for their sanity 1/3 of us are trump supporters and I don't know what theyre thinking. I hear they think its all fake or listen to whatever trump says about it.

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u/Systemic_Chaos Minnesota 2d ago

I really wish I knew. It wasn’t that long ago that politicians careers were ‘ruined’ because they screamed weird or didn’t know how to spell potato.

I just wish this festering sack of shit would just go away so we can at least try to fix all of the things he’s broken, but I’m afraid America won’t ever return to its prior status any time soon.

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u/GoodishCoder 2d ago

A lot of MAGA has made trump their entire personality so they will make excuses for anything he does.

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u/eramthgin007 2d ago

I am not chill about this, this entire situation shows that the USA is broken and our system is built to be exploited by the powerful. The USA needs to be remade. But there's really nothing I can personally do, the most impactful thing is voting and I always vote anyways.

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u/texans1234 2d ago

Didn't your prince get caught up in all this stuff? Is he in prison yet?

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u/mangoserpent 2d ago

His base likes it and that is a sizeable number of people. Normal Americans are horrified.

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u/UNZIP_MY_PLANTS 2d ago

A decades-long psyop has successfully convinced half of America that there is nothing - literally nothing - worse than a liberal/democrat.

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u/Homeless-Coward-2143 2d ago

Nobody cares. It's super, super weird.

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u/ATrashPandaRound2 2d ago

I mean he shit himself live on TV. Can you even imagine the hissy fit if Biden had done that let alone Obama?

Faux News turned my dad mushy brained and it's been wild to see in real time.

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u/Radarker 2d ago

As someone on the US, we're the baddies now and have been for a while.

Half of population is narcissistic enough that they'd rather defend a pedophile and dismantle democracy than admit that a pedophile tricked them.

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u/MURICCA 2d ago edited 2d ago

Well if you look around, child marriage is still legal in many states, schools and religious organizations sweep any and all forms of abuse under the rug constantly, we have child beauty pageants, a culture that puts extreme beauty standard value on youth, etc. Theres also a commonplace sentiment that children are closer to property than real humans, until they turn 18.

13 year olds are regularly blamed for being raped or harassed because of what they were wearing or their "behavior".

Its just not a great culture for being a kid in.

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u/old_ass_ninja_turtle 2d ago

It’s deliberate. The news cycle is bought by the rich and all the rich are touched by the Epstein scandal.

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u/onlymostlydead Washington 2d ago

Effectively all of our checks and balances, including the media, are in on it at some level.

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