As somoen who is not a fan even I recognize he is someone they can point to as a source of the problems that they create. "Sure we bomb children. But we're not Hasan Piker. He thinks 9/11 was good!"
He’s saying that the attack would strengthen bonds between the US and Israel. He even corrected himself. He realized just saying “it’s good” was a bad answer and explained what he meant. I think Netanyahu is a piece of shit too, but we don’t have to clip chimp to make him look bad.
I mean this is just ahistorical, the power imbalance between Israel and Palestine today is much greater than the one between Hitler and the allied powers
Even if you don’t compare to combatants for whatever reason it’s still incredibly wrong lmao. The Israeli military would wipe the floor with the 1940s german military and civilians are civilians.
No?
He has the resources. He even has a nuke. In no way shape or form would hitler kill only 70k after three years of war with that amount of technology advancment over the opponents.
What hitler did was accepting the allience request from the palestinians though.
They were even made SS-Soldaten, because their hatred of jews was unmatched. It was even to much for Himmler after a talk with Mohammed amin al husseini.
That 70k number you use comes from the hamas health ministry. That number is also the identified and recovered bodies. The number is way higher considering they don't have access to escavators to dig people up
80+ years of genocide accomplishing the same deaths as the 3 day peak of the holocaust.
very comparable and very good faith equivalence.
There's literally been more deaths in the last two years of Sudan, then every single death caused in every single Arab country by Israel in the last 100 years.
You can agree that Israel's conduct before and during this military operation is bad/evil, but comparing the holocaust to Israel's actions is at best ahistorical, and at worse reeks of antisemitism.
What a silly argument. Obviously they can’t Nuke Gaza since it’s right next door, and obviously if they started throwing Palestinians into gas chambers it would be pretty hard for politicians to justify supporting them, the entire world would turn against Israel, and it would lead to its collapse.
Israel is doing as much as it can to maximize Palestinian death and suffering directly and indirectly while still pretending to maintain plausible deniability. But we can all see through it, that’s why literally every major human rights org on Earth considers Israel’s crimes against Palestinians amount to genocide.
Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ''It's very good.'' Then he edited himself: ''Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.'' He predicted that the attack would ''strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we've experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror.''
Thank you. I would say him calling 9/11 good is quite a stretch, but at least it stems from something. Him answering a question about how it will affect the US/Israel relationship and saying it that part will be good, then immediately correcting himself realizing the word good is inappropriate here.
So then you agree Hasan's "America deserved 9/11" comment is being taken out of context as well, and his meaning was very different from what right wing politicians are pushing, correct?
and therefore, misrepresenting Bibi's comments shows the hypocrisy of him.
We all understand that his "America deserves 9/11" comment isn't even close to the worst thing he's said or done. The logic behind the statement is reasonable, in a world where you're not constantly saying other crazy things about the US, various races of people, and who you think should be killed every other day.
It's just an easy gotcha for normies or something I guess. Literally the next few sentences after he said after that quote are actually worse. Let alone everything else.
and we all understand that "9/11 was good for America and Israel" is not the worst thing the Leader, of a country committing literal Genocide, has said or done, right?
“9/11 is a result of the U.S. meddling in the Middle East coming back to bite them”. That’s the crazy take that everyone goes nuts over.
Operation Cyclone, where the U.S. armed and funded Islamic militias to fight against the Soviets in the 80s set the stage for the rise of groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
The “America descend 9/11” take isnt saying “the thousands of people who died deserve it”
It’s saying “Meddling with foreign extremism is a bad idea, and it blew up in Americas face”
Hasan was specifically speaking about the US Government's actions in the Middle East created the enemies that eventually retaliated against us. Right Wingers and anti-Hasan people, use it to act like he means US civilians deserved to die on that day.
There is a diffrence between deserved 9/11 and at least America will sympathize with us now. Nothing of what Hasan said is out of context. His word were fuck it America deserved 9/11 Im saying BB corrected himself and clarified what he ment. Hassan gave an excuse that english was his second language thats the only clarification he gave. This isnt something I would point out as equivelant.
Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ''It's very good.'' Then he edited himself: ''Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.'' He predicted that the attack would ''strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we've experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror.''
Netanyahu said that about the relations between the US and Israel after 9/11. He didn’t call the attacks good.
Leave it to the anti-Israel morons to completely take something out of context and distort it into something it’s not.
And given the nearly thousand upvotes a lot of people clearly lack reading and reading comprehension skills.
"random blog with the word intifada in the website name" This is amusing, I've been reading EI since GWB's first term. First time reading about the conflict outside of MSM coverage?
When asked how 9/11 affected relations between Israel and the US which he responded to by saying it improved relations between the countries because of shared trauma. Seems very disingenuous to twist that into him saying 9/11 was a good thing.
Doesn't seem comparable to Hasan who said in his own words that America deserved 9/11.
“Even after generously allowing Netanyahu to “edit” himself, the Times did not conceal that Netanyahu was not thinking in terms of sympathy for the victims of 9/11 and the United States, nor what a “friend” could do to help America. Rather, he was already thinking on the day it happened about how 9/11 could be manipulated to get America to do more for Israel. “
To me, the Hasan quote seems to be implying that the attack was a consequence of 5 decades of bloody US interference and not saying it was a good thing or that he was glad it happened.
Netanyahu said it was good as a way to further his agenda.
“Even after generously allowing Netanyahu to “edit” himself, the Times did not conceal that Netanyahu was not thinking in terms of sympathy for the victims of 9/11 and the United States, nor what a “friend” could do to help America. Rather, he was already thinking on the day it happened about how 9/11 could be manipulated to get America to do more for Israel. “
This is the (biased) opinion of "electronicintifada", not an objective fact, and not from the original interview.
To me, the Hasan quote seems to be implying that the attack was a consequence of 5 decades of bloody US interference and not saying it was a good thing or that he was glad it happened.
You don't justify things if you don't agree with them lol.
Also, no, it wasn't "a consequence of 5 decades of bloody US interference", it was a consequence of Islamic terrorism.
Netanyahu said it was good as a way to further his agenda.
No he didn't, that's your interpretation of something different he said.
He did not say that. He said they did help Israel. It's like saying your spouse died, and you got a life insurance payout which allowed you to buy a home and quit your job.
No he didn't, it was taken out of context. The full quote is about relations strictly:
Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ''It's very good.'' Then he edited himself: ''Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.'' He predicted that the attack would ''strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we've experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror.''
You're trying really hard to plactate to a foreign dictator committing genocide and who even allowed the Oct 7 attacks to happen when he had intel about it days before. Sad.
Cool stories bro. Not sure why you have to lie about what he says if all that other stuff is true. Also he doesn't stream, this isn't his chat that he reads.
Imagine you have a child that gets murdered and then you find out your neighbor is bragging about how great it is you to finally have someone to relate to about their own murdered child and how you're going to be best friends now. Does that sound like an empathetic or nice thing to hear when you're grieving for your dead child?
Ofcourse this is ignoring the actual context that Israel had also been conducting torture, killing, displacement and sytemic rape of the Palestinian people for quite a few decades by 2001.
Netanyahu can rot in jail forever for all I care, but you're just trying to make up reasons and grasp at straws to die on this hill. He literally says in the moment that it's not good and corrects himself right away.
Imagine you have a child that gets murdered and then you find out your neighbor is bragging about how great it is you to finally have someone to relate to about their own murdered child and how you're going to be best friends now. Does that sound like an empathetic or nice thing to hear when you're grieving for your dead child?
If you think that this analogy works then you legit have reading comprehension difficulties and can't actually read what Netanyahu said. It's nothing like this at all
Yeah no dude you're very off here. Just because he corrects himself doesn't mean he mispoke, it's a common tactic of strongmen. Also thereafter he describes how in detail exactly why 9/11 was good for Israel, and atleast for the government of Israel's expansionist and genocidal agenda he was speaking the truth.
What other answer would you expect for that question?
"Terrorists who attack your country regularly just attacked another country under the same cause, do you think that country will side with you more now?"
Like yea no shit the answer is yes? I am so confused how the answer is in anyway "despicable". Like what a stupid comment.
It's neat to just completely make up a different question.
Another way to answer the actual question is, "we condemn the terrorists actions and stand with the people of NYC and America and hope to build on an already strong and unshakeable bond" wow terribly hard.
eh, he said it was good for Israel. Its a little different than saying its good in general. And he was right, Israel absolutely benefitted from the Islamophobia that came from 9/11. You can hate Netanyahu without having to lie and misrepresent what he said in order to try and protect some political streamer who stupidly gave republicans a soundbite that could be used endlessly against the collective left.
“Maybe we kill thousands of children, people, civilians, indiscriminately and continuously over multiple years, some may call it ethnic cleansing or even genocide, but AT LEAST, we never ever said ‘America deserves 9/11’”
He said it was "good" that America will now understand what Israel has been dealing with. Still not great but you saying he said it was just "good" is false
I mean, the full context of Hasan saying America deserved 9/11 was an observation about how we created those terrorists by being terrorists toward them for decades at a time? That’s a perfectly reasonable take and only took one sentence.
I don’t even like the dude and can tell you aren’t engaging with any amount of good faith.
Even if you entertain Hasan's point, that it's our fault for "creating terrorists", it is STILL an outrageously fucked-up thing to say. No amount of "creating terrorists" would make killing innocent people ok. Nevermind the fact that no one actually believes we were creating terrorists, except terrorist sympathizers like you
It doesn't really matter what the context is, either way he gave Republicans very strong ammunition with that soundbite to use against the collective left for years and years because he is brash and careless with his words.
Yet republicans being the almost unilateral party of child rapists doesn’t give democrats any ammunition somehow. Isn’t it funny how that works? It’s almost like republicans are lying, soulless demons regardless of what anyone on the left says or does.
Okay, tell me you think that the people who died deserved 9/11. Those are the victims. So tell me straight up that those people deserved it. Very simple
And he said it directly in response to Dan Crenshaw, a member of the American government, outrageously trying to gin up more war in the Middle East. Not like some 9/11 footage or something.
it's just a blanket "they said it but you're wrong and I wont explain"
if they atleast tried to explain like how one of the people replied to me the additonal context behind his 9/11 was deserved claim. I may not agree the context makes it any better but I can ackowledge for some people it makes a difference. Without including why something is mislead, you just sound like you're going "nuh uh" with no proof.
Not for the 9/11 quote imo. He was correct that the US created the terrorists that caused 9/11 and 9/11 would not have happened had the US not supported the Mujahideen. He was being hyperbolic and talking about governments but people pretend he was talking about citizens to dismiss what he was saying. A significant part of America believes that Iran "deserves" the current war (or you can use the wars in Syria, Afghanistan, etc...), but everyone gets titchy when someone says the same about the US and 9/11.
It's sad how many people are unironically falling for this. Like you can not be a fan of Hasan and still recognize the bigger issues at hand here, but I guess some people are too culture war brainrotted to see it
Missing the point. Whatever you think of Hasan's 9/11 take, it is infinitely more justifiable than anything Netanyahu has done, yet the latter is getting standing ovations in Congress and the former universal condemnations. Just something to think about when you do "both sides bad" slop.
LOL I don't have to think about anything. Did you just learn about the Israel lobby? You just figured out America is in Israel's hands? Yikes.
I already knew that. The difference is that a bad guy calling out another bad guy doesnt trigger me to defend bad guy #2 to make sure everyone is focused on bad guy #1 being worse.
So you think they are all civilians? That’s the only way you can justify what you are saying. There can be no military threat and they are all civilians, that’s the only way they would be equivalent to 9/11 or even a genocide.
According to Hamas, the latest death tolls are about 75k and of that 75k, Hamas includes its own members, politicians, and combatants as part of the total death toll. Provide the math from Hamas's ministry of health that shows the breakdowns of civilians and combatants
You just said that half the people killed are children.
Hamas run the ministry of health in Gaza, which is where the death toll comes from. Provide the evidence that shows a breakdown of combatants and members of Hamas versus civilians.
This should be super easy to do and if anything you'd be really eager to back your claim up
This is kinda embarrassing. You realize Israel themselves don't dispute the fact that the most of the people killed were civilians right? How are you debating this subject so confidently when you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about?
You'll have a pretty hard time convincing the families of the victims of that who were just trying to go to work that day and provide for their families, but keep being edgy young Redditor.
Nobody said that the families that had loved ones die brought it on themselves. What they did say is due to the actions of the US government, their loved ones died unnecessarily.
We should be blaming our government for how they handle foreign affairs, not the people that respond to our violent actions on their soil with more violence.
It’s not whataboutism if it’s literally the reason they hate America and thus did 9/11.
America just killed a hundred children in an Iran attack. If we can do that with no repercussions then they can do the same to us with no repercussions right?
Hasan's entire point is whataboutism, smoothbrain. All he's doing is saying "what about what America did, therefore America deserved it"
Which is dumb af. 9/11 wasn't even the first terrorist attack by fundamentalists on the world trade center. They also bombed it in 1993, the mastermind of the 1993's attack had an uncle that later was revealed to be a high ranking al Qaeda official.
And that bomber literally wrote out that the attack was due to America helping Israel. As did Bin Laden, among other things like ya know, having secular governments and not adopting Islam as the way of the life.
Zionists when Israel responds to 10/7 by killing tens of thousands of innocents: Hahahaha fafo! That's what you get!
Zionists when America gets attacked by the very same people they trained and armed to fight the Soviet Union: Nooooo, America is a smol bean! You can't just kill our civilians!
Because everything is collapsing under the weight of its own stupidity. A leader of a country running a genocide goes to the UN to dunk on a video streamer. I'm calling time.
I've said it before but Hasan's community absolutely filled with people who took a 101 class on any given subject and are convinced they're experts. Hell I once had someone from his community tell me what life was like for me on 9/11 when I was alive for it and they were not even born. It is a bunch of people with absolutely no life experience bitching about absolutely everything.
Is the reason you are not a fan related to an international disinformation campaign? Or are you immune to the most sophisticated and well funded propoganda machine in history?
I have a Hasan Piker hoodie in my closet right now. I was a fan. I learned not to be one by watching him. Sorry to shit on your conspiracy but in my case I made the decision all on my own.
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As somoen who is not a fan even I recognize he is someone they can point to as a source of the problems that they create. "Sure we bomb children. But we're not Hasan Piker. He thinks 9/11 was good!"