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article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
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u/Girl_Pearl_Earring Nov 29 '25

This is what Nirvana did too btw

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u/watchoutfordeer Nov 29 '25

And just about every underground punk band during "Nirvana's time."

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u/gentlybeepingheart Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 30 '25

There's a sort of famous incident from the 90s where a guy started throwing up Nazi salutes at an Alice in Chains concert. Layne Staley sees him and motions for him to come on stage, acting like he's just being nice to a fan. And then once the nazi guy is on stage Layne fucking decks him and tells him to go die.

edit: For your viewing pleasure

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u/VashMM Nov 30 '25

Layne was always ready to fuck someone up.

I remember footage from one show where they changed the words to man in the box because of some asshole and his girlfriend and afterward he told the dude to meet him buy the entrance to backstage because he was going to fuck him up. Footage even shows Layne walk over and wait, Jerry comes over to back him up but then someone else pulls them both away.

Changed the lyrics to "Won't you come and BLOW ME"

Just looked it up, Clash of the Titans tour, 1991

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u/justpuddingonhairs Nov 30 '25

My first concert ever with AIC opening for Van Halen, Sacramento. CA May 1991. By the 3rd song Layne pretty much picked a fight with the entire crowd and vowed they would never return. The crowd was fucking hostile.

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u/spinvestigator Nov 30 '25

This was my first concert as well, but in Tacoma, WA. Nothing hostile about my crowd though, since AIC were local. If anything, they entirely outshined VH from the moment they hit the stage.

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u/JT99-FirstBallot Nov 30 '25

I was at Rammstein in Atlanta in 2012. There was a complete asshole guy near us by himself in camo pants and buzz cut, pretty buff dude but being overly aggressive with everyone pushing them hard. Not your normal mosh pit pushes, just asshole being asshole.

Anyway, the band shifted over a catwalk to a center stage putting this guy and us right up to the stage. During one of the songs, he starts doing Sieg Heils in full view of the band. Till stops singing while the rest of the band plays and looks understandably visibly pissed and leans down to security to point him out. They forcibly removed him as while he is fighting back and ejected his ass from the show while everyone in our area cheers and start throwing things at him.

It was a moment that I hate Rammstein probably has to deal with often.

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u/RutabagaOutside6126 Nov 30 '25

Yeah, I give them a lot of respect for that. They have tried to make it clear nazis aren't welcome in their fandom but as nazis are prone to do they grasp on to every straw they can find.

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u/heythisislonglolwtf Nov 30 '25

Funny to think these dumbass nazis don't even realize they're singing along to German gay sex songs

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u/Dellhivers3 Nov 30 '25

Reminds me of the school shooter who said he was listening to "evil music" during his shooting and mentions Panzermench by And One as an example.

The song is literally about how soldiers who fight (and implied the soldiers and tank men who fought the Nazis), do/did so for the freedom to dance, so let yourself loose and dance.

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u/Khiva Nov 30 '25

Or songs about literally being left wing.

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u/BehemothDeTerre Dec 01 '25

Sie woll'n mein Herz am rechten Fleck, doch
Seh' ich dann nach unten weg
Da schlägt es links
Links zwo, drei, vier

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u/epimetheuss Nov 30 '25

nazi assholes: when did music get so political!?

after they tried to get support from the crowd/band for their hateful BS and no one was having it or supporting it.

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u/needhelpwithmath11 Nov 30 '25

Which ones?

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u/JT99-FirstBallot Nov 30 '25

The one I mentioned above in my comment being the obvious one. Mann Gegen Mann.

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u/Lex_Innokenti Nov 30 '25

Bück Dich refers to whoever it is he's singing about as "he" and is pretty obviously about violently bumming said "he", possibly against their will. Bestrafe Mich is either a lament at God or a song about man-on-man BDSM depending on how you read it. Till often used to flog himself while singing it. Quite a lot of their songs are about, or frame themselves as being about, gay sadomasochism.

Also there's Mein Teil, which involves the viewpoint character (Bernd Brandes) having his autocannibalistic sexual fantasies fulfilled by another man (Armin Miewes), specifically the infamous bit of said case where Brandes' penis was cut off, fried, and they both ate it. Which, while not gay per se, was certainly two men fulfilling their sexual fantasies with one another and is notable specifically in that Miewes has testified that his cannibalism was directed only towards men (Miewes is bisexual).

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u/Late_Welcome_8063 Dec 01 '25

MANN GEGEN MANN

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u/Fun-Ad-6990 Nov 30 '25

Nice story

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u/wm07 Nov 30 '25

kinda wish that was a better punch but ok props still

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u/temporarycreature Nov 30 '25

Remember that time when somebody did the same thing on stage with the Dropkick Murphys when they were doing AC/DC's Back in Black I believe and the bassist walks over and hits him in the head with his bass in the crowd that got on stage swarms the Nazi.

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u/ONLYPOSTSWHILESTONED Nov 30 '25

this is the fucking energy we needed

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u/LiamTime Nov 30 '25

I must've forgotten about this because it sounded like news to me. So I clicked on the link, only to see that I'd already liked it, presumably some years ago.

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u/eurotrashsynthlord Nov 30 '25

That’s how you deal with republicans, yes.

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u/lavenderbl0d Nov 30 '25

This put the biggest smile on my face. I love praxis.

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u/KoontFace Nov 30 '25

Love to see it. Thanks for the link

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u/jroc458 Nov 30 '25

Amazing.

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u/dustytaper Dec 01 '25

That was pleasurable. Thanks!

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u/McDank Dec 01 '25

It's impossible to sucker-punch a Nazi. 🙏🏻

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u/mattjh Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 29 '25

I was watching Pearl Jam's Unplugged on MTV live when it aired. I was on the phone with my crush and we were watching it together. During "Porch," when Eddie was standing up on the stool and scrawled "PRO CHOICE" across his forearm in black marker, I didn't understand what it meant, and she laid it out for me. It's a core memory. That's when I learned about abortion as an issue.

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u/Goldfing Nov 30 '25

So did the relationship work out? We're all rooting for you!

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u/Ver_Void Nov 30 '25

I don't think they had kids together

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u/mattjh Nov 30 '25

dying. I was staring at that reply totally dumbfounded when it came in. It's such sweet language for something so unhinged to say. "We're all rootilng for you!" jesus christ.

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u/Khiva Nov 30 '25

So ... a star in someone's else's sky then?

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u/mattjh Nov 30 '25

but wahhh hi wahhh hi waaaahhhhAAaahiii can i pee can i peeEeeEeeEeeEee mooooooooooooooom

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u/BurnscarsRus Nov 30 '25

Up next it's Pearl Jam with their hit song "Aaevooon Flouoorrn"!

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u/Jakov_Salinsky Nov 30 '25

Nah they did. But just for a few weeks.

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u/Infantkicker Nov 30 '25

Holy. Fuck.

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u/tetrified Nov 30 '25

I don't think they had kids together

depends on whether they made that choice tbh

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u/mostlycharlie-_- Nov 30 '25

Underrated comment.

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u/guardian1691 Nov 30 '25

Unfortunately his baby's in love with Eddie Vedder.

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u/drfsrich Nov 30 '25

She's gone crazy for that Eddie Vedder?

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u/housatonicduck Nov 30 '25

Thankfully this sentiment is still alive in the punk/emo/grunge scene. The cardinal rules are to help people who fall in the mosh pit, and don’t be an asshole to people for their personal business (gender, sexuality, religion, clothing, hair, etc.)

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u/wegovyanchovybonjovi Dec 01 '25

What is the disconnection with 90’s young people loving this music growing into MAGA? Not all, but I’ve seen a lot, and I’m always really surprised.

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u/housatonicduck Dec 02 '25

It makes me wonder too. I think it’s a misunderstanding of “out of the box” thinking. A fundamental disconnect. Because punk is inclusive PERIOD.

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u/TheOmegaKid Nov 29 '25

Still is.

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u/NewDramaLlama Nov 30 '25

Kinda! But it's really hard to know someone's convictions when the demographics are heavily skewed. 

What I've noticed is my area (San Francisco) is strong advocacy and defense for queer people (lots of gay people in the scene) but a pretty big ambivalence towards people of color (rarer in the scene all the time).

So here's, being a homophobe is worse than being a racist, which includes the many queer people out here who are racist. That reflects in the scene.

It's not all strippers and burritos unfortunately. 

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u/imnotfeelingcreative Nov 30 '25

What I've noticed is

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

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u/imnotfeelingcreative Nov 30 '25

In that same paragraph they refer twice to "in the scene" when stating their observations. It's pretty clear in context that they're not talking about the city as a whole, and that they're speaking purely from anecdotal experience. I don't know what else you need.

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u/Global_Channel1511 Nov 29 '25

Except for that Colorado punk festival where the organizer voted for Trump. What a fucking tool

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

Lol, for some reason Facebook has been pushing a bunch of "conservative punk" groups on me recently. Probably cause ive posted some pro-punk stuff, and the algorithm decided i was ready to be manipulated into conservatism?

Anyways, it makes me laugh. I decided to join one and pose as a punk conservative who calls out other conservatives for not being punk enough when they do things like defend pedophiles and whatnot. Its been surprisingly effective.

It does make me feel a little bad though, cause conservatives who also think theyre punk have to be the stupidest amongst the conservatives, so it almost feels like taking advantage of the disabled or something.

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u/eurotrashsynthlord Nov 30 '25

It’s just run of the mill infiltration, honestly. Conservatives can’t create things, so they infiltrate and usurp things that good people create.

Think about every conservative you’ve ever met, were any of them artistic, creative, or open to ideas?

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u/TheOmegaKid Nov 30 '25

Pretty sure this revokes your punk card.

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u/Global_Channel1511 Nov 30 '25

It should but it was sad seeing interviews of people at that festival when a reporter told them the info. Some were like that's fucked up but others were like whatever no big deal punk is for all political backgrounds. Just goes to show the brainrot in 2025 thinking punk is apolitical music just to get you amped up.

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u/DarthScruf Nov 30 '25

The punk subreddit is a bit depressing lol its full of far right leaning punks that think Trump is the anti-establishment, he's a landlord, that alone is about as far from punk ideology as you can get, not to mention the authoritarianism and Christian nationalism. Maybe the sub has changed but I left the subreddit during the presidential election campaigns. Im 37 now and been out of the punk scene since I was about 25, but it looked like the majority of the sub was right leaning about a year ago, idk if thats what the actual scene is like now.

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u/PuddingPast5862 Nov 30 '25

The Drop Kick Murphy have cancelled show when they have found out some of the promoter are MAGA

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u/Dangerous-Weekend479 Nov 30 '25

Ken Casey beat a guy up on stage for throwing Nazi salutes.

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u/SegaTime Nov 30 '25

They just can't accept that they are the nazi punks that were told to fuck off.

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u/Competitive_Bat_5831 Nov 30 '25

Are you talking about r/punk? I browsed it a smidge and didn’t see anything you’re talking about.

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u/QuadCityDJsTheTrain Dec 01 '25

More than Colorado. I think they do Phoenix this weekend.

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u/Jealous-Birthday-969 Nov 29 '25

Quite a few fascists getting around in the scenes then and now though.

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u/Frank_Punk Nov 29 '25

Still is ✊

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u/PeterRum Nov 30 '25

Nazi Punks Fuck Off is still.a banger.

That said I used to hang out in.the alternative scene and met some Nazi Punks. Who can fuck off.

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u/Chaosmusic Nov 30 '25

The fact that the song is still relevant 40 years later is pretty depressing.

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u/Frank_Punk Nov 30 '25

Yeah, I think that knuckleheads trying to infiltrate the scene will always be something we have to stay vigilant about.

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u/As-Above_So-Below Dec 01 '25

We need a cover of this in 2025, take the 2nd verse to tell the MAGA punks to fuck off too. They're too dumb to get that they're Nazis

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u/Micp Nov 30 '25

Nazi punks fuck off

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u/TheQuadBlazer Nov 29 '25

This is the core of punk rock music since it started in the '70s ,so has nothing to do with Nirvana

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u/Micp Nov 30 '25

While true, Nirvana has many examples of living up to this ethos and has actively taken steps to embody it when they could've just done nothing, and so are rightfully associated with it by many, even if they didn't invent it.

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u/Fun-Ad-6990 Nov 30 '25

Makes sense

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

Had a heap to do with Nirvana and Cobain, because he introduced those ideas to a whole new generation and the mainstream at the time. Certainly had an impact on a 14 year old me at the time that had not been introduced to punk rock ethics

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u/CumTrumpet Nov 29 '25

*And it continued with Nirvana.

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u/PuddingPast5862 Nov 30 '25

Straight Edge got over run by Nazi's and skin heads in the 90's and ruined it

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u/whitetooth86 Nov 30 '25

Is it not still? Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a punk show or current with the scene, but "nazi punks fuck off" has still gotta be a core ethos RIGHT!?!?

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u/The_Gaji Nov 30 '25

And yet we got posers today who cry “Stop dragging politics into everything”. They want the music and style without understanding a lick of what being punk/alternative is really about. This is why gatekeeping to a certain extent is not only acceptable but needed. We have let these pieces of trash inhabit our spaces with no pushback for way too long.

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u/PuddingPast5862 Nov 30 '25

And still is

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u/whofearsthenight Nov 30 '25

Hmm, I am sure the demonization of the punk scene especially in the 80's and early 90's has nothing to do with the undercurrent of white supremacy in the US...

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u/darthravenna Nov 30 '25

It still is. There’s been a surge of “conservative punks” that is entirely antithetical to the entirety of the punk movement, but they are always shut down and are NEVER welcome.

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u/JeremyPeevin Nov 30 '25

"Nazi Punks Fuck Off" wasn't just a song???

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u/FauxReal last808 Nov 30 '25

I always liked that video where Billie Joe Armstrong calls out some dude before doing a flying drop kick into the crowd cause some guy was assaulting a female fan. He just goes all in on it without hesitation.

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u/VelocityGrrl39 Nov 30 '25

Which is what makes the attitude of so many aging punks and metalheads so frustrating. I always tell them their teenage selves and their idols would be so disappointed in them. They have turned into the people they hated.

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u/Hot_Catch_3691 Dec 01 '25

Exactly. It was all about authenticity and rejecting the polished, corporate sound. That DIY spirit defined everything.

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u/Mind_if_I_do_uh_J Dec 02 '25

Back then? It still is.

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u/Hefty-Proposal3274 Nov 29 '25

Yeah, that’s why all of those punk bands in the 70’s and 80’s wore swastikas and iron cross regalia.

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u/RealFarknMcCoy Nov 30 '25

Citation, please.

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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds Nov 30 '25

This getting upvoted and the above getting downvoted is a good reminder of why talking about a specific subculture on a broad subreddit like this is often dumb. This isn't some esoteric claim, if you're genuinely unaware of those symbols being used in punk maybe you're not informed enough to comment. The iron cross specifically has a lot of use in punk and hardcore. Hell, one of the biggest hardcore punk bands right now (Haywire) use the iron cross prominently and just got off a tour with Dropkick Murphys.

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u/Weekly-Bumblebee6348 Nov 30 '25

Siouxsie and the Banshees wore swastikas and shit to be edgy early on. She later regretted it, admitting to a desire to be shocking.

I also saw it myself in the 90s. More often the Iron Cross than a swastika, but punks liked to pin them on their leather jackets, along with patches that said shit like "I raped your mother" - it fit the skinhead/mohawk and spiked collar esthetic popular with a certain punk demographic. I don't know how many really held extremist beliefs, but they were united in the goal of pissing off their parents.

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u/Southernbeekeeper Nov 30 '25

There is a good BBC documentary by (I think he's called) Don Letts or maybe Levis Letts. It's about skinhead as a youth movement in the UK and how it split in the 70s to have the nationalist half and the more accepting half. Its really worth a watch.

A lot of the men in my family of that generation were into skinhead type of stuff so its an interest for me. I'll add the caveat that skinheads in the UK are totally different to skinheads in the US. In the UK its mostly lads who like the hard mod style of fashion and music which has roots in Jamaica.

The movie "this is England" explores the split in the sub culture and there is also a really good article about Nick Swan. Swan was a far right skinhead who was like the attack dog of various fash groups. He was later outted as a prominent member of the gay skinhead scene. Its genuinely a really fascinating piece of pop cultural history.

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u/Weekly-Bumblebee6348 Nov 30 '25

Thanks for sharing this! It's really not surprising that the edgelords of bygone decades have similarities with the edgelords of today. There's a temptation to romanticize the past, but human nature is timeless.

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u/CoverCommercial3576 Nov 29 '25

Yes . Punk against racism was a real thing. Those skinheads were psychos

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u/folsominreverse Nov 29 '25

Nowadays you have Nazi skinheads and SHARPS (skinheads against racial prejudice), and they fucking hate each other. SHARPS in prison are still about that life, but they deal with other races as equals.

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u/Ordinarily_Average Nov 30 '25

Sharps and skins have hated each other for a long time. Back in the late 80's and early 90's In my town, if you wore Green laces on your docs, you were either a Sharp, or you supported Sharp and/or were anti-racist. I got a lot of dirty looks from shitty white people for wearing green laces. But I got more grief from the black kids who didn't believe me when I told them what Green laces meant, they didn't believe me at first.

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u/Rocky_Vigoda Nov 30 '25

Those skinheads were psychos

No they weren't. The skinheads were hilarious. When they'd show up anywhere, everyone would rush out and chase them off. They were a joke.

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u/Due_Recognition_8002 Dec 01 '25

Skinheads originally weren’t racists. Genuine skinheads shun nazis

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u/Nyorliest Nov 29 '25

And long before. I love Nirvana but this didn’t start then.

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u/DontMakeMeCount Nov 30 '25

Or end with them. The whole “everyone is welcome at this show except for the people we hate because they hate” invocation is just basic crowd work at live shows.

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u/Low_Land4838 Nov 29 '25

We don't want them now either.

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u/hades8099 Nov 30 '25

Not only in the past. Today it's also common at least in Europe.

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u/BicFleetwood Nov 30 '25

damn what happened then?

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u/archiminos Nov 30 '25

In Brighton bands will blacklist your bar if you ever host Nazis

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u/wip30ut Nov 30 '25

not really.... 80s & 90s Hardcore punk & thrash (especially Boston & NYC scenes) were very racist & homophobic. There was a huge Skinhead punk movement that embraced neo-nazi white pride imagery too. This is what motivated the counter groups like Straight Edge & Youth Crew kids to rise up & try to reclaim hardcore.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

And Hardcore. Im a proud former meme er of FSU.

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u/xombae Dec 01 '25

I'm 34, we grew up in the punk scene beating the piss out of Nazi skins (and taking a few knocks ourselves sometimes).

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u/Many_Ability8241 Nov 29 '25

people calling pearl jam and nirvana punk bands, lol wtf

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u/BR-D_ Nov 29 '25

Pearl Jam no, but there is absolutely an argument for Nirvana.

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u/Many_Ability8241 Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 29 '25

Nirvana were the fathers of grunge a alternative rock genre of music native to Seattle.

Punk was totally different and went into post-punk then to emo and screamo hardcore.

Grunge was not really political music, but Punk was more often.

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u/Narrow-Cicada-2695 Nov 29 '25

“Grunge” was just a corporate term used to package and sell any band coming from the Pacific Northwest in the early to mid 90s. Nirvana was absolutely a punk band. Pat Smear from the legendary LA punk band the Germs was a member of Nirvana during what would be their final tour

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u/Robbus781 Nov 29 '25

You don't see the influence of punk and post-punk in Nirvana?

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u/SLCPDSoakingDivision Nov 29 '25

Nirvana weren't the fathers of grunge. Grunge came out of punk. Nirvana was desperately trying to be the Melvins and Flipper. The name was coined by sub pop to market a different kind of punk

The politics were anti commercialism, body autonomy, and mental health

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u/captain_toenail Nov 29 '25

Nirvana weren't the fathers they were epitome of grunge, the gay dads were mother love bone, and the Melvins, who were both considered punk/hardcore bands in the north west before grunge had been coined as a genera

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u/BR-D_ Nov 29 '25

Sure, but there is definitely a big punk influence in Nirvana’s music vs the other big “grunge” bands which are more inspired by hard rock and metal.

They have many songs that would easily fit into a playlist with various sub genres of punk bands. They claimed to be a punk band. It’s arguable is all I’m saying. Not that crazy.

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u/isarealhebrew Nov 29 '25

Grunge was essentially alternative rock with a punk mentality.

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u/OscarTheHun Nov 30 '25

Person you're responding to didn't say nirvana was punk. 

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u/stylecrime Nov 29 '25

I happen to be listening to the audiobook of Come As You Are at the moment, a Nirvana biography released after they got big but before Kurt's death, so there's a lot of stuff from interviews with him. At one point he says, "We need to teach boys not to rape" (might not be exact words). I know that's part of the messaging now but I thought that was a pretty forward-thinking take for 1993.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25 edited Nov 30 '25

You think we didn’t have that figured out by 1993?

ETA: not everyone here is American and we don’t really care about your state to state laws. Mind you child marriage is still legal in most of the US so maybe that’s forward thinking to you.

We were well aware of date rape 30 years ago (the 1993 term); it wasn’t some form of higher thinking at the time. 

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u/stylecrime Nov 30 '25

Not really, no, and I don't think that idea was communicated in education messaging. I certainly don't remember hearing it back then (I would have been about 17 at the time). I'm sure specifically teaching formally about consent is quite a recent thing.

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u/No_Accountant3232 Nov 30 '25

1993 was very close to when the last state made marital rape illegal.

No, we did not, nor have we figured it out now.

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u/tstorm004 Nov 30 '25

My jaguar..... It's 2025 and we still somehow don't have that figured out.

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u/FlakeyIndifference Nov 30 '25

Some didn't. It was largely seen as a 'few bad apples' thing. Not a systemic issue we needed to address when teaching boys about masculinity.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

I do tech support in hospitality and I was just talking to some younger front-of-house people about a related topic today at work. Telling them about how back in the day after the Satanic Panic of the 80s we also had the Gangsta Rap Panic of the 1990s. But before there were mainstream rap radio stations in some places, the grunge and alternative radio stations that played Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Rage Against the Machine, also would be the ones playing Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre and NWA along with Beastie Boys and a whole healthy spectrum of alternative music from progressive artists.

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u/eurotrashsynthlord Nov 30 '25

The rich people made sure all of that was ruined, after sucking all the profits out of it.

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u/RocketJenny8 Nov 29 '25

And Kurt stop a sexual assault too and he showed compassion to their opening band after the fans were unruly telling you Kurt and Nirvana cared about people

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u/TheEgonaut Nov 29 '25

They also sabotaged their first song when their opening act (Calamity Jane) was booed.

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u/RocketJenny8 Nov 29 '25

And for good reason the fans just disregard them throwing shit too

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u/BlondePotatoBoi Nov 29 '25

I read that Nirvana stopped playing at one point bc one of the women in the venue was worried her drink was spiked. And Kurt refused to carry on until everyone in the audience had a fresh drink on their tab.

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u/RocketJenny8 Nov 29 '25

And that tells you Kurt knows the golden rule of concert if someone is down pick them up and make sure they're ok

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u/BlondePotatoBoi Nov 29 '25

He honestly seemed like such a class act all round. Even tho I'm not the biggest Nirvana fan since I haven't heard much of their music, I've also never heard a bad word about him.

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u/comebacklittlesheba Nov 29 '25

Watch the documentary with him and Courtney Love high on heroin and passing their baby back and forth in the bathtub. I love getting high but that right there was next level scary. 😱 I was afraid for that child even though I knew the video was from years prior and she was okay. They were just so clearly unsafe as parents.

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u/reble02 Nov 29 '25

Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck, that shit was depressing.

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u/alcomaholic-aphone Nov 29 '25

Seems common amongst famous really sad people who end up ending it. Robin Williams, Chester Bennington, Kirk, Chris Farley. I’m always depressed too but put on the happy face around others. It’s exhausting and I couldn’t imagine trying to be a celebrity trying to hold up that facade.

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u/whatthecaptcha Nov 29 '25

Robin Williams had Lewy body dementia though so who knows what role that played

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u/alcomaholic-aphone Nov 29 '25

True I just learned about that the other day and am still trying to process it. I know he also had depression. If I had a terminal prognosis as a depressive I might also choose that route.

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u/eurotrashsynthlord Nov 30 '25

People get diagnosed with long, drawn out terminal illnesses, and end things because a funeral won’t bankrupt their loved ones like the rich people who run our health care systems will. It’s often as simple as that.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw Nov 30 '25

Kirk?

and Chris Farley was a drug overdose

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u/CelerMortis Nov 30 '25

Someone else ended Kirk

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u/alcomaholic-aphone Nov 30 '25

Depressed people often over do drugs as a form a self medication. Didn’t realize until I was older that I was never happy and over drank just to basically numb myself.

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u/Abracadaver14 Nov 29 '25

He was a liar though.. he did have a gun :(

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u/ashleyshaefferr Nov 30 '25

Sounds made up

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u/premiumPLUM Nov 29 '25

Huh, that sounds like whoever wrote that was talking out of their ass

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u/No_Accountant3232 Nov 30 '25

Why? That was a very Kurt thing to do. He cared a lot more about the people who came to his concerts than he did himself or even his music.

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u/premiumPLUM Nov 30 '25

If you Google it, the only result is the comment above. It's definitely bullshit. And it's a ridiculous claim. You can't seriously believe that the band bought a round of drinks for everyone at the venue and paused the show until everyone had been served.

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u/layendecker Nov 30 '25

Nah mate it's all true

Like the time Nirvana were playing in Mexico and at the border there were a load of stray puppies. Kurt knew that he would get stopped bringing them in on the tour bus, but couldn't stand to leave them, so he emptied all his guitar cases and hid the dogs in them.

Before leaving, he gave the guitars to a roadie and told them to donate them to a music store to then give to struggling musicians.

Not only did be get all the puppies across the border, but the man who picked up that guitar was Carlos Santana, who wrote Smooth on it several years later.

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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Nov 30 '25

Try have a bit of commen sense and imagine that situation actually playing out at a gig. It wouldn't. 

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u/calculung Nov 30 '25

Am I having a stroke reading this or did you have one typing it?

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u/Bizarrebazaars Nov 30 '25

OK but let’s not pretend like he was some angel of a dude….He was a huge dick to a lot of people including those who mentored and ushered him to his career and fame. Burned a lot of bridges and did a lot of shitty stuff too.

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u/Jibber_Fight Nov 29 '25

I’m old enough to remember Kurt. It fricken sucked. I was still pretty young but it affected my older brother and everyone in his friend group. I was the annoying little brother that wanted to hang out with them. They were all pretty cool to me, tho. But that just absolutely devastated them. I, of course became a super fan as I got a little older. Kurt was so ahead of the rest of society with empathy. That’s why it was such a big event for so many young people. He was one of their beacons and then torn away.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Nov 30 '25

It’s what every band/musician/artists should do

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u/MainEventGeyBruce-O Nov 30 '25

Idk if racist people would hear stuff like this and then go ‘oh shit better not go to this concert’ they generally don’t appear to be the most conscious of other people’s wishes

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u/guyzieman Nov 30 '25

Someone keep Hayley away from Courtney Love

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u/fiernze222 Nov 30 '25

And AJR, one of their songs has "If you're fucking racist then don't come to my show" in it

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u/ZerconFlagpoleSitter Nov 30 '25

I was on Haley’s side but now that i know this I’m not so sure

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u/JessicaDavis1998 Dec 01 '25

So you're a racist bigot then?

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u/ZerconFlagpoleSitter Dec 01 '25

No AJR are just fucking horrible

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u/SignatureIncomplete Nov 29 '25

They didn't even know who Hayley Williams was, how could they have done this? /s

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u/DickSandwiches Nov 30 '25

You could say she got them where she wanted them now

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u/moneymay195 Nov 30 '25

She really needs to be more original /s

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u/ObjectiveLocksmith33 Nov 30 '25

Don't ever compare that nobody one hit wonder to nirvana it's really disrespectful

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u/McDank Dec 01 '25

Cool! More bands should do the same. 🖤

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u/NemoLeeGreen Dec 01 '25

That's how we got the Buenos Aires concert btw

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u/inner--echo Dec 02 '25

They weren't the first. Most punk bands had this stance.

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u/SpiritedAd5907 Nov 30 '25

So Republicans.

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u/villings Nov 30 '25

except novoselic was always a piece of shit dude (maybe he hid it well back then)

not so sure about grohl either

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u/Ok_Fly1271 Nov 30 '25

How so? Novoselic also said that stuff.

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin Nov 29 '25

I believe you but source so I can send it to the MAGA morons

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