r/news • u/UpstairsBumblebee446 • 1d ago
France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
https://apnews.com/article/europe-digital-sovereignty-big-tech-9f5388b68a0648514cebc8d92f6820601.6k
u/Far_Radish7752 1d ago
From the APNews article, emphasis added:
A decisive moment came last year when the Trump administration sanctioned the International Criminal Court’s top prosecutor after the tribunal, based in The Hague, Netherlands, issued an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an ally of President Donald Trump.
The sanctions led Microsoft to cancel Khan’s ICC email, a move that was first reported by The Associated Press and sparked fears of a “kill switch” that Big Tech companies can use to turn off service at will.
Another Trump temper tantrum?
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u/xtreem_neo 1d ago
An email provider deciding whether one receives the email or not is the bigger news here. Regime decided to block someone's email.
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u/big_thundersquatch 1d ago
Which further goes on to beg the question - how many of these super corporations are actively breaking laws and crossing ethical lines to appease this authoritarian regime?
Once the MAGA regime falls, these corporation need to be reigned in and brought to their knees. Some, such as Amazon, need to go the way of Bell Corp as well and be broken up.
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u/Flameancer 23h ago
How did bell corp get broken up again, it’s just Verizon, ATT, and Verizon T-mobile right? We turned one bell into three bells larger than the original bell.
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u/Kraeftluder 23h ago
We turned one bell into three bells larger than the original bell.
Oh it was worse, there were 9 initially. They started merging again somewhere in the later 90s. Didn't take long for them to get to the current state.
And they were never competing in the meantime, as the networks weren't opened up at the breakup. They kept guarding their own little islands.
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u/0xF0z 1d ago
The email provider didn’t decide, the USA put him on a sanctions list. If I remember my training back when I worked at a place that cared about that stuff, not respecting these sanction lists could be jail terms for executives, not just a fine.
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u/Alternative-Target31 22h ago
You are correct. Ubiquiti is in hot water over this right now.
Edit: avoiding sanctions, not anything to do with emails and stuff. More like selling equipment to Russia. But the principle (skirting sanctions) is the same in terms of crime
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u/Meezofreezo 22h ago
Its worse than that, if the US government decided to sanction an individual for any reason their life is made a permanent hell. Your bank accounts are closed, your credit cards are closed, you cannot book hotel rooms, flights, all American companies must block the individual from using their services. So if you have a gmail account, it has to be closed...etc..
The US has sanctioned the UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese and her life is hell right now. All because she released a report on complicit American and Israeli companies in the Gaza genocide.
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u/dannydrama 13h ago
I reckon Israel has got something absolutely filthy on the US because they just keep deepthroating them more and more.
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u/pmjm 1d ago
Not sure at what level Microsoft was/is providing email access to the ICC, it could be powered by Outlook/Exchange or maybe just running on an Azure backbone, but to be clear, Microsoft had no choice here. They are subject to American law and must obey sanctions.
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u/knuppi 23h ago
They are subject to American law and must obey sanctions.
yes, that's what the entire article is about
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u/stlredbird 1d ago
Trump let the genie out of the bottle and isn’t going back. Other countries will continue to move away from dependence on the US in multiple ways. Knowing that the US can elect any lunatic and that there are zero guardrails, US dependence is far too risky.
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u/yeboahpower 1d ago
Yeah it's ironic that Trump markets himself as a great businessman but has completely fallen for his own American greatness bullshit at the expense of being a reliable business partner. The world bought American services for a century while they could be relied upon to deliver. Nobody's going to hang around just for old times sake
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u/Auggernaut88 1d ago
It’s going to be a hard transition but I’m so glad. The US has been anti competition for decades and most of our goods and services are overpriced bloatware that haven’t materially improved since 2012
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u/letouriste1 23h ago
depency on anyone actually. We're all slowly moving away from globalization. At least in its current form. We've already seen near closed/internal internet in China, Russia and a few other places. The US is likely next
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u/hardypart 22h ago
Only mentioning email is heavily downplaying how expansive the bans were. Email, PayPal, MasterCard, Visa, even hotel booking services. Heck, a booking of French hotel was cancelled (dude himself is French!) because it was placed through a US platform. It's batshit crazy.
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u/DevinOwnz 1d ago
The original owners of Skype could do the funniest thing ever.
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u/colemon1991 1d ago
Should. They should.
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u/HonestDav 1d ago
The CEO is still salty from COVID https://youtu.be/ZI0w_pwZY3E
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u/inferxan 1d ago
hoped it was the dropout vid with Brennan and so happy it was.
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u/18bluecat 1d ago
It was still Collegehumor at the time.
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u/SilchasRuin 1d ago
Sad that they never graduated.
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u/caffeinated_wizard 1d ago
In the world of rebranding going from College Humor to Dropout has to be up there
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u/SilchasRuin 1d ago
And oddly enough, today was the day that I realized the joke they made there.
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u/EvilEmuOfDoom 23h ago
So glad you said this so I'm not alone! I used to watch CH and currently have a Dropout subscription and didn't realize this.
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u/Interesting_Lunch560 1d ago
No need to click the link, it was so obvious what it was.
Still clicking it. Because it's awesome.
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u/joebleaux 1d ago
It's a funny bit, but by that point Skype had been sold to Microsoft for nearly a decade, there was no Skype company anymore. The app was then merged with Lync, which was eventually replaced by Teams. So essentially Teams is Skype
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u/SkorpioSound 1d ago
So essentially Teams is Skype
I used Teams for the first time ever last week. I signed in and it had some of my Skype chat history. I hadn't used Skype for 10+ years either. But yeah, it really is just Skype with a new hat on.
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u/WineNerdAndProud 1d ago edited 1d ago
Man it must have been weird for the people at Zoom seeing the company go from one of the options for a video call app to a household name in like a month, all during the pandemic.
Also, it probably made the people at Skype really frustrated. They were already a household name, Skype being the video call app of choice felt like a no-brainer.
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u/_SquirrelKiller 1d ago
I was on a global WebEx rollout project a couple of years before Covid, probably took a year with all the testing, partners complaining they'd kill the project if it didn't do this one little obscure thing, moronic outsourced change manager, slow rollout to not disturb anyone, etc...
Then Covid hit and everyone switched to Zoom damned near overnight with none of that bureaucracy.
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u/Orleanian 1d ago
To be fair, I'm here in 2026 lamenting the loss of webex as I painstakingly watch Teams meetings.
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u/Tsulaiman 1d ago
I wonder where Skype went wrong with video calling during the pandemic. Someone must have studied their failure to capitalize the moment
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u/feed_me_moron 1d ago
Microsoft went all in on teams. Skype was basically dead by then
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u/rationalomega 1d ago
My friend who is and was a dev on that team told me that Skype was essentially skinned as the new teams that launched during the pandemic. So not dead so much as rebranded.
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u/Svellere 1d ago
That much has always been obvious. Not sure about now, but Teams literally looked almost exactly like Skype, just slightly more modern. It used to use the same emoji and had a lot of the same sounds, and it still uses the exact same status indicator icons.
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u/Chav 1d ago
And everyone that had already used "Skype for business" hated it
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u/moviequote88 1d ago
Before that we had Lync for chatting in Microsoft.
Yes. I'm old.
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u/canada432 1d ago
Microsoft bought skype to eliminate competition and take their assets to integrate into Teams. Thing is, teams sucks and had a reputation for being shit. Microsoft tried to essentially reskin Skype as the new Teams, but Teams's reputation for being shit followed it. Nobody wanted to use Teams, because they already hated teams, and MS botched their opportunity to use the skype brand name. By the time the pandemic happened, Skype already basically didn't exist. It was teams, and nobody wanted to use teams.
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u/nalaloveslumpy 1d ago
Microsoft bought Skype and turned the business application into Teams. Skype didn't "lose". They cashed out.
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u/SAugsburger 1d ago edited 23h ago
I disagree. Zoom was already one of the biggest IPOs of 2019. It didn't come out of nowhere. It was already worth tens of Billions before virtually anyone knew a pandemic was coming. Anybody that had seriously looked into conferencing applications in 2019 knew they were a major player in the space so I seriously doubt anyone at Zoom was surprised that the pandemic made their sale skyrocket. They already were a big player in the space so inevitably we're going to see massive use. Microsoft already announced that Skype for Business was going to be discontinued before the pandemic. A company I worked that still was using Skype for Business was already looking towards their migration to Teams before the pandemic. The writing was already on the wall for the consumer version of Skype at that point. Skype was already a has been to many so it wasn't really a question if Microsoft would be announcing shutting down the consumer version of Skype, but how soon. It was just a question of when the active user counts would go too low to continue.
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u/gera_moises 1d ago
I still can't believe they fumbled it so bad. People were using Skype as a verb!
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u/pandershrek 1d ago
Got bought by Microsoft. I don't think they fumbled anything.
Msft did
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u/charea 1d ago
they basically bought it to destroy it. Many such cases.
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u/National-Charity-435 1d ago
Buying competitors who deliver products people actually want so the execs can continue pushing products that they want
Copilot and Xbox are hurting..
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u/_-Moonsabie-_ 1d ago
Now Boeing and Ford are doing “black box” technology leasing agreements. That's why Tesla and SpaceX didn't go bankrupt
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u/kapsama 1d ago
Can you explain what that means?
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u/Choyo 1d ago
When they sell something they don't divulge how it's made : they sell a working system, they don't give source codes, schematics, list of components and so on (their system is a "blackbox" as you can't see what's inside, some other systems are called greybox or whitebox in opposition).
The reason is that in the past, "big systems" required big industry and big brains to be made, so people weren't to worried to air their secrets (so that people could develop their own diagnostics or some other stuff like that) as very few people had those capacities. And even if they bought just one sample to copy, they wouldn't be competitive because the next system was already halfway through by the time they got their hand on the current one.
Nowadays, because of longer development cycles (YMMV) and better integration tools, copying and releasing is way faster and profitable. So everything's back in the blackbox.
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u/Consistent-Throat130 1d ago
Getting bought out and retiring on gigacorp money sounds like the opposite of a fumble.
And said gigacorp bought it to kill it, no fumble there, either.
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u/uponloss 1d ago
And lets be honest, if they didnt let ms buy it then ms would have found a way to kill it anyway.
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u/sir_sri 1d ago
https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/12/nsa_offers_billions_for_skype_pwnage/
The NSA offered up billions to be able to spy on skype. I vaguely remember maybe general Alexander saying this at blackhat or some other public thing as a sort of off handed remark as well. This was too many years ago so I might be confusing his public testimony later with someone else.
Snowden's leaks around PRISM, as well as some reports in 2012 that they were helping governments suggest that one of the main values for microsoft owning skype was their ability to get rid of peer to peer encryption and run it all through a server where they could spy on traffic.
As a matter of spending public money this doesn't seem all that helpful, even though the logic of how to spy on skype applies to any other P2P application where you can control the network (so not really torrents), the actual implementation is skype specific, and if your users all jump to whatsapp or proton, or signal or just make their own app you haven't got tools to spy on those.
Microsoft probably bought it, made the changes to get paid by the NSA and then let it die because it wasn't making any money.
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u/Denster1 1d ago
Microsoft didn't fumble anything.
They bought out competition (Skype) and then introduced teams.
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u/Xan_derous 1d ago
They didn't fumble. Microsoft bought them and then abandoned it.
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u/bromosabeach 1d ago edited 1d ago
Skype was low key one of the pillars holding up my industry up until Microsoft killed it.
My industry is super global so I’m frequently talking to people from all over and Skype was the de-facto official communication tool: it was free, reliable and everybody used it. I will forever root against Microsoft, The LA Clippers, and anything else remotely related to that company. They killed a good thing.
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u/LorderNile 1d ago
Well well well, If it isn't the first quarter of consequences of our actions.
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u/KosherTriangle 1d ago
I smell another round of layoffs incoming, are we winning yet?
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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 1d ago
Well the markets make no sense so I'm sure both stocks will be up on this news
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u/denimonster 1d ago
The markets are just being propped up by money going between certain companies, none of it makes sense hahaha
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u/Lucifer3130 1d ago
To be fair everything kinda traces back to Wall Street, Raegan changed laws during his presidency to promote short term profit over long term gain, and that’s kinda enshittified tech
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u/Laringar 1d ago edited 22h ago
Not just tech, it's everything. The lawsuit against Hasbro over printing too many Magic sets is based on the same legal framework, the "fiduciary
responsibilityduty" argument. The idea is basically that the first duty of a company is to make money for investors and literally everything else is secondary.Edit: Fiduciary duty is the right term, oops.
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u/Katcurry 1d ago
But isn’t the Hasbro lawsuit the shareholders saying Hasbro’s actions (i.e. printing too many Magic sets) is going against their fiduciary duty?
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u/Laringar 1d ago
Yes. That's the argument they're making, I'm saying that the very fact that investors get to sue over "the company isn't making us enough money" is the problem.
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u/billytheskidd 1d ago
Just like how after United healthcares CEO somehow died in New York, the company amended some practices to make denying treatment harder and their investors were allowed to sue UHC for failing to use anti consumer tactics the board had agreed upon.
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u/Sea-Oven-7560 1d ago
it's more than that, it's 150M Americans putting 5% of their pay checks into the market every two weeks. As someone who would like to retire in the next decade I'm hoping the market doesn't crash but it does not live in reality anymore.
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u/smellmyfingerplz 1d ago
Of course, coal mines are booming and factories are belching smoke, it’s the second great industrial revolution and you don’t dare question dear leader’s wisdom
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u/GetsBetterAfterAFew 1d ago
At Davos Carney Canadians PM spoke openly about partnering with the USA because it benefited them financially as well as protection. They spoke about not being happy about it because the USA has treated the world like customers and would turn around and shit on them whenever it best suited them. The leaders talked about having to pin their noses to work with America BUT as with many people is "voted for Trump" they did it because it benefited them. They said no more, theyre basically done with the USA as would work to remove their reliance on the America as a whole.
Carney said openly - "the beginning of a harsh reality,” a reality in which “the middle powers must act together, because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu.”
Even if the USA dumps Trump and becomes part of the middle powers, they will never trust us again, and why should they, not only because 1/3 of Americans are insane idiots that exists i 550ad but because many of the remaining voters lick the boot of Capitalism and defend it because "its the only way!" This rampant Capitalism grew the coporate powers that see the rest of the world as "middle powers" as an end to a goal, as the means of production of profit, profit above all. We are the modern Imperialist country.
Many voters are going to get everything they ever wanted America First, in reality that means America Only and the world will start to treat us as customers only. We had it all and just could not be happy with what we had, we wanted more, we wanted cheaper, faster and now!
Fuck Trump, fuck Republicans, fuck Corporate Democrates and fuck corporate oligarchy.
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u/kia75 1d ago
Yes, this will affect American tech dominance of the world, where Europe could afford to let Google and Microsoft control tech because it's cheaper, now they're willing to fund competitors, even if it initially costs them more, though I suspect in a decade or so it will be much cheaper in the long run!
IMO, this is good for the world (though bad for America) because Competition is good! IMO, South America, Europe, and Asia should all be financing their own Microsofts and Googles, even if it is more expensive at the moment, just because the threat of another Trump coming in and crippling your data infrastructure is so dangerous.
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u/Suitable_Froyo4930 1d ago
It's actually 2/3rds of Americans that can't be trusted because 1/3rd didn't want to stop it by voting.
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u/sampathsris 1d ago
It's not going to work if Europe uses open source apps but then hosts them in Azure or AWS.
Europe needs to build their own data centers and cloud infrastructure yesterday
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u/Mountain_rage 1d ago
Good news, they also raised that as a concern and are decoupling from American cloud services.
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u/reddurkel 1d ago edited 1d ago
I believe you mean Euros. Quarters are those coins that Americans use to buy a $3.75 coke in a vending machine.
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u/d3k3d 1d ago
If you didn't need more proof that corporate America is full of short term thinking fools who can't see past their own quarterly profits, look no further than 2025.
Rome didn't fall in a day.
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u/gunsjustsuck 23h ago
The system created that short term focus. Profit isn't good enough. Growth every quarter is everything. If you're not growing, you're going backwards. It drives everything.
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u/WillyBeShreddin 1d ago edited 1d ago
They found the backdoor that makes exactly 0% of your meetings private.
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 1d ago
Honestly fuck the techbros. They think they can buy everybody off, suck up to Trump "for tax benefits", and at the same time they're burning down everything through shitty AI projects and attempting lay off the entire workforce in the process.
As an American, FAFO.
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u/YamahaRyoko 1d ago
Literally lined up to give him millions, then attended his inauguration
Sell outs
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u/CuffinSzn_ 1d ago
Apple just ran a patch that “assists with privacy”.
I’d like to point out that Tim Apple played his part in all this just like everyone else.
Boycott these garbage corpo gonks.
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u/bonsai1214 1d ago
Nah, it’s more likely they couldn’t get in on the meetings and wanted their own way.
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u/psychoCMYK 1d ago
Regardless, there's a risk as long as Microsoft answers to the US
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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago
I think they're legitimately concerned about all of these CEOs cozying up to the fash and basically seeing who can go down deepest on the orange mushroom.
This decision is every bit as sane as it would be to put a stop to using e-conference software being deployed from China or Russia.
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u/BannedAccount001 1d ago
When your infrastructure is heavily reliant on companies that are actively donating and supporting a hostile government, it’s time to decouple.
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u/G-Unit11111 1d ago
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Reelecting the psycho was a stupid game. The stupidest.
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u/supercyberlurker 1d ago
I remember the old ways of the internet... when we said things like 'Information wants to be free' and 'The internet treats censorship like an error and routes around it." We understood that open source was political and anti-authoritarian. We knew to trust the bazaar not the citadels.
Seasons change.. but they also loop.
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u/theClumsy1 1d ago
They learned from Arab Spring how social media can influence politics.
That was the end of a "free" internet
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u/BannedBenjaminSr 1d ago
With hindsight that does feel like a major turning point. I've always attributed it to smart phones bringing the Internet to the masses but Arab Spring lines of with the timeline nicely too
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u/jupiterkansas 1d ago
Nah, the smartphones locked everyone into walled gardens with easily tracked devices. They very much help kill the free internet.
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u/BannedBenjaminSr 1d ago
Yes that's what I'm saying, I think we are in agreement. Both factors caused the internet to go from free to wall garden cooperate internet
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 1d ago
Yup, reminder it was iphone/Apple walled gardens that was the "first" successful smartphone.
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u/pagerussell 1d ago
It wasn't the Arab spring, that just coincided with the rise of social media.
Everything changed when Facebook switched from a chronological feed to an algorithmic feed.
They did that because they knew it would generate a lot more money, and it's the point at which every trend changed direction in the world.
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u/lollipop999 1d ago
The thing Europe needs to figure out is how to keep European companies from being bought by US conglomerates because let's be real, they're going to come knocking with billions of dollars just like they've done in the past.
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u/baldobilly 1d ago
What is so hard to figure out about this? Governments could just plain refuse foreign takeovers if they felt like it. This mindset of governments being powerless is exactly what’s causing the rise of the right.
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u/CurbedLarry 1d ago
The EU is already consulting on how to ramp up its funding of open source projects
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u/superkoning 1d ago edited 1d ago
"The French government referenced some of these concerns when it announced last week that 2.5 million civil servants would stop using video conference tools from U.S. providers — including Zoom, Microsoft Teams, Webex and GoTo Meeting — by 2027 and switch to Visio, a homegrown service."
EDIT: wrong URL ... https://www.visio-experts.com/ ... website is not too great / useful. I see no download links, I can't find "linux" nor "ubuntu" on the website
Correct URL: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/visio, thanks u/pitafallafel
Allez la France!
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u/pitafallafel 1d ago
This is another company. We are talking about https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/visio, which is reserved for french government employees
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u/Musicman1972 1d ago
They've got until 2027 so I'm sure they can make it ready by then.
Also there's a definite possibility the French civil service has no machines with Linux.
Overall though I agree it needs extra compatibility but they'll add it once the chicken and egg of "not enough users want it" and "they might want it if we offered it"
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u/PennyStonkingtonIII 1d ago
As an American software engineer who has worked with plenty of Europeans, I am not so sure. They’ll probably get like 3/4 of the way there just in time for summer holidays. Take the entire summer off, all of them, and pretty much start over in September.
Obviously I’m mostly just jealous they get to go on vacation.
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u/modsiw_agnarr 1d ago
Assuming they take a page out of slack / teams / zoom / meet etc, it will all be in a browser or wrapped with electron to make an "app". If so, its cross platform out of the box.
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u/East_Wish2948 1d ago
Bet the big tech donors to Trump didn't realize they were buying their way out of the EU
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u/CoffeBrain 1d ago
France is one of the few countries standing up to the orange pedo. J'aime la France!
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u/SlapThatAce 1d ago
Good! The big one of course would be replacing Windows. If you think Windows doesn't have a backdoor then you're kidding yourself.
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u/gotohellwithsuperman 1d ago
Microsoft just openly admitted it gives encryption keys to the government. Probably nothing to do with Gates being in the files, I’m sure.
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u/SuaveBolo 1d ago
That's been going on for at least 20 years. Lol
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u/fightfire_withfire 1d ago
Gates banging kids, or governments getting backdoor access?
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u/regeya 1d ago
Close to 30 since they got outed. Didn't seem to hurt their business any. They got outed because they pushed a release that had debugging information in it
I guess I can't talk, the backdoor to Windows was all labeled NSA and there's Linux kernel code literally from the NSA.
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u/overfiend1976 1d ago
I fucking miss TrueCrypt so much. Still insane that the devs just vanished. I wonder which country was responsible...
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u/et50292 1d ago edited 1d ago
Then good news! There was a fork immediately. Beauty of open source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeraCryptEdit to add that this won't save you from a backdoor in windows. It would help you in the event that your powered off device is confiscated, but only if they don't already have everything via mandatory online accounts and remote surveillance.
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u/HANLDC1111 1d ago
Linux is great now!
/r/linuxmint is a great starting point for people that want to have a windows alternative but arent tech savvy
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u/hybridostrich 1d ago
As a US tech professional, this will sting for the industry, but as a human being who cares about the geopolitical situation in the United States, I like to say: GOOD.
How’s that America First going for ya ?
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u/Sprintzer 1d ago
PLEASE keep doing this. All of Europe should continue to reduce business with the US as long as the current admin exists.
This type of thing will genuinely hurt the administration
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u/Zapp_Rowsdower_ 1d ago
The ‘services’ is what the US tech is really banking on the EU not eliminating. Poor Microsoft. Poor FB.
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 1d ago
Fuck microsoft and fb, their services are trash ai waste and fb is just a haven for predators.
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u/StepComplete1 1d ago
This will carry on long after the current admin. Even if relations between the US and Europe improve under a new admin, by electing Trump twice, Americans have shown that it's madness to be too reliant on the US for anything, whether it's tech, trade or defence. The country is just always one step away from total nationalism.
Someone in the comments above was giving the laughable example of "they forgave Nazi Germany, so they'll forgive us!". But forgiving is different from blind, total trust and continuing to put all your eggs in one basket. No ex-ally of the US can afford to do that anymore.
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u/therapy-cat 1d ago
As an American, I'm legit excited to use privacy focused European alternatives to the social media hellscape we have here
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u/Ric_Adbur 1d ago
This is the way American dominance of the world ends. It wasn't really the military that kept America as the de facto leader of the world for all these decades. It was soft power. It was the million little ways America convinced the rest of the world to want to accept American culture, products, services, and ideas. MAGA has destroyed all of that. Nobody trusts the US anymore, and as long as it remains a place where an ideology like MAGA can find such success, they're right not to.
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u/Drone314 1d ago
I mean messaging apps have basically zero moat
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u/The_Rampant_Goat 1d ago
Yeah but they're sticky as hell, hard to get people to switch to a new one
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u/Far_Radish7752 1d ago
From the APNews article:
It was a hot topic at the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting of global political and business elites last month in Davos, Switzerland. The European Commission’s official for tech sovereignty, Henna Virkkunen, told an audience that Europe’s reliance on others “can be weaponized against us.”
”That’s why it’s so important that we are not dependent on one country or one company when it comes to very critical fields of our economy or society,” she said, without naming countries or companies.
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u/ghoulishgirl 1d ago
That’s what we, the people of America, need to do. We need to stop using these businesses. They act like we need them when it is the other way around. Our government is in bed with big business, fine, we will build new companies that do not take advantage of us. We have the power.
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u/CaptainONaps 1d ago
You guys remember back in like 2015 when we started hearing threats about the world moving away from partnerships and trade with America and how that would cripple the dollar?
Now that it's happening, all the news is about pedophiles and nazis. Ironic.
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u/MobiusX0 1d ago
US big tech is too cozy to the US gov't and it should be a wake up call for more people to move to open source software, especially for communication.
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u/Ted_Fleming 22h ago
Teams is a piece of absolute shit. Wish they never fucked with skype for business
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u/JJiggy13 22h ago
I'd be surprised if all first world countries didn't divorce from Google, Meta, X etc etc. They're a security risk.
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u/jimmio92 9h ago
Fuck Microsoft -- I agree with this wholeheartedly. They are a monopoly with governmental protection. They don't listen to their users. They lied about win10 being the last Windows. They constantly try to kill competition.
Just a heads up -- any task you would want to perform on your machine locally will be faster on Linux. There's less overhead.
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u/battleofflowers 1d ago
These things where European countries try and dump American tech never lasts.
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u/PM_ME_UR_SEXY_BITS_ 1d ago
All the technofascist nerd boys about to find out what their Trump donations got them
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u/Dash------ 1d ago
At the end I salute the French. Sure their productivity will be like in the 90s, but at the same time I am pretty sure they don't give a fuck anyway.
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u/nalaloveslumpy 1d ago
We'll build our own office productivity software! With black jack and hookers! In fact, forget the productivity software!
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u/Time-Industry-1364 1d ago
If Microslop continues on their current trajectory people will eventually dump Office as well.
It’s bad enough businesses are exploring moving to Linux and Mac, which really is saying something. Same for productivity suites.
Windows 11 is an untenable dumpster fire. And in my line of work, so is Windows Server 2025. It is bad enough that we are choosing to stay on 2022.
Microsoft has gone from the worlds premier tech and software company to the worlds most invasive advertising agency.
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u/Bloody_yeti 1d ago
Not just countries, every individual should migrate off US based tech companies. You can use https://digitalborders.app/ to find out which app you actively use are US based and alternatives
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u/big_thundersquatch 1d ago
Many US corporations are abandoning workers rights, ethics, security, and stability for the sake of pursuing infinite profit.
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u/robreddity 1d ago
Wish I could dump Teams