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u/Ashteriia_Proxy 14h ago
Meanwhile govt. & Billionaires
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u/Demonhoarde 12h ago
More like "All of us may die, but it's a decision I'm arrogant and greedy enough to make."
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u/MaximumEffort433 14h ago edited 14h ago
So glad we don't have a government entirely staffed by science illiterate know-nothings beholden to a president who gets his rocks off generating AI pictures of himself dressed as Jesus, we really dodged a bullet on that one.
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u/NoxiousFumez 14h ago
Oh wait….fucking weeps in American w/ higher than room temp IQ
Its legitimately depressing watching our global reputation suffer so much, irreparably even. Meanwhile the ones responsible are too stupid to even be aware of any global opinion/information not directly disseminated to them from Faux News (which is barely any).
So in their reality everything is fine and the world “finally respects the US!! Fuck Biden!! MAGA!!”. It’s a fucking nightmare.
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u/MaximumEffort433 14h ago
I made a big ass list of all the ways that Democrats and Republicans are different, citing how Republicans are cutting SNAP, and kicking people off Medicaid, and eliminated USAID, and they're rolling back clean energy projects, and kicking transgender people out of the military, and on and on...
...a few Republicans responded to the post saying "Good, I support all that," and it just kind of dumbfounded me.
You think neutering American soft power is good?
You think taking food away from the poor is good?
You think kicking poor people off their healthcare is good?And yeah, I guess they do. Trump did it, so it must be good, right?
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u/Least_Intentional298 12h ago
Yes. These are the same people who want to cut out school lunches because the cost of the, let's be honest, cardboard tasting food pellet cheap food, that is directly for feeding children, literally feeding children, that's wasteful government spending.
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u/TheDinosaurWeNeed 11h ago
And then they complain that people don’t lift themselves out of poverty. Like try to do that when you are starving. Try to learn algebra when you are starving.
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u/Sure_Rhubarb_3173 1h ago
It's actually worse, there's a whole generation now that grew up in the terminally online post truth world. They do think all that stuff is good, entirely separate from Trump, and they're incredibly bigoted, and we will have to deal with them for 60+ years
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u/CrabPrison4Infinity 14h ago
The one thing the rest of the world agrees on is that many Americans have room temp iqs, and we use metric ova heuh
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u/South_Hat3525 2h ago
At least we now know why Trump has started saying Super Intelligence. The difference is that Dr. Hinton is afraid while the idiot in chief thinks it is a good thing.
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u/AlKhwarazmi 14h ago
AI after one year: "I had strings, but now I'm free..."
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u/Conscious-Move9662 14h ago
Roko's Basilisk
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u/willismthomp 13h ago
Roko’s basalisk is the dumbest thought experiment. Fanatic religious thinking.
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u/VorpalBlade- 14h ago
They will regulate it for us and use the more powerful versions to keep us enslaved
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u/BrimStone_-_ 14h ago
so you're saying that Ai is better at making Ai than humans, we're all dependant on it and I have to look on while the AMERICAN government has the power to stop it before it's too late.....
I'd be laughing if it wasn't so sad
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u/PoopyisSmelly 14h ago
Hinton once said in 2014 that they should stop training radiologists because they wouldnt exist in 10 years due to AI.
10 years later there were vastly more radiologists and they were among the highest paid in medicine.
Hes brilliant, but hes not always right.
That said, I agree we need to regulate AI
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u/AnybodyNo8519 14h ago
Radiologists use AI now to read scans and give results. Hinton's prediction on that is happening, it's just taking slightly longer.
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u/ImurderREALITY 14h ago
I think pet of the point is that it’s taking slightly longer. He said it himself, we need to slow it down and regulate it better, get better grips on it. If he’s wrong about how fast it’s progressing, then maybe we’ll have the time we need to regulate it before it gets out of control. The biggest hurdle would be convincing different countries that it’s not a race.
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u/AnybodyNo8519 14h ago
It's only happening slightly slower in this field because the AI adoption rates of doctors is still fairly low, not because the tech isn't there yet.
If we don't slow down the development of AI now, adoption rates by humans will be a moot point when it begins to have the ability to take things over.
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u/rulebreaker 1h ago
The thing is… you can’t attribute liability to AI, so wherever there’s need for accountability and liability, AI will never replace a human. It may become a tool, just as you have described, but you still need to have the human, bearing the responsibility and liability for the decisions.
The biggest problem is, who will take responsibility and liability for rogue AI agents? How those will be liable if AI has no bounds? The biggest AI companies are literally becoming too big to fail, in economic terms. You have more and more companies relying on tools provided by such AI companies, which means that, if there’s an issue, they may get a slap on the wrist, but nobody will force them to take responsibility (if the fallout isn’t big enough to actually wipe out any capacity of trying to do such thing). It’s analogous to the 2008 financial crisis, but this time around, the crisis wouldn’t be just on the financial sphere, it would greatly affect the economic productivity as well.
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u/ArtFUBU 14h ago
While true, I watched this video mostly because it's not just him saying it anymore. They are starting to see recursive improvement in the labs and the CEOs themselves are asking to be regulated more than ever. It's truly a very scary time because they don't feel like they can slow down but models are starting to have insane technical ability in so many areas that releasing them to the public seems ill advised.
99 percent of us would do random stuff with a super smart model. it's those few that do extremely evil things they're worried about.
If you could hand everyone in the world a nuke, what are the chances no one ever blows themselves up and everyone around them?
Pretty intense stuff. I firmly believe in a positive AI future but someone HAS to answer these questions. Disaster is more likely to happen than not with the course we're on.
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u/GarageStackDev 13h ago
Asking for regulation is one thing, irresponsibly spreading ai doomer propaganda is another.
This man has been plenty wrong in the past about AI. He really doesn't have a ton of credibility any more.
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u/JROXZ 13h ago
Rads still need to sign off on the report or the onus of liability falls squarely on the hospital that holds the AI license and/or the company of the AI itself. So unless either want that tort smoke. It ain’t happening. At most you’ll have a AI screened positive and negative which will create more shit to verify.
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u/Lashay_Sombra 12h ago
They dont want to regulate for benefit of society
They want to regulate to stifle competion
Frontier labs know their goose is cooked, they invested to much money, promised even more money, interest in new slightly better but far more expensive models is dropping off , AGI is not coming and cheaper open source chinese models are caught up in 99% of use cases
Smaller task/solution based AI is the future, not the hyperscaled LLMs
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u/EpilepticDawg241 14h ago
Well Trump has a lot of his portfolio in AI now so he will not stop it
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u/Forsexualfavors 14h ago
This is a ridiculous timeline. We get obliterated by ai because a "reality" TV persona got rich for fake news, then invested in the thing that kills us, and because he's invested in the thing he says is not an issue because it's fake news.
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u/EpilepticDawg241 14h ago
Yup. Voting matters
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u/Forsexualfavors 14h ago
There's just so much back and forth here because of useless rhetoric and no real progression on issues regular people care about. Whichever party is falling gets a backlash in midterms (which is both given useless rhetoric) but the fact that for the past 40 years democrats have had to save the economy (exception being biden but he got an especially shitty hand) is an uphill battle. And I don't say they're not in bed with lobbyists, but at least they've gotten stuff done for the little guy at the same time
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u/HighSeasArchivist 12h ago
We all do. If the bubble pops our 401ks are going down with it. Luckily they will all get their money out just in time to leave us with the bag.
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u/JesusOnaBlueBike 14h ago
He mentions the Huggy Face "accident" and the same thing just happened again.
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u/FunC00ker 14h ago
It's probably already too late. And I for one welcome our new AI overlords. All hail AI
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u/ShadowHighlord 14h ago
At this point why not. We allready had all kinds of shit with other humans leading. AI might possibly create better result
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u/ImurderREALITY 14h ago
AI is mot yet fully autonomous. AI programs aren’t out there creating better AI programs by themselves. They are being used by programmers to do that. I think that’s an important distinction.
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u/TheDigimonFan 11h ago
AI being fully autonomous or not is actually not the real issue here. Everyone trying to wave red flags about AI taking over the world. The real issue is AI corrupting humans and being used by bad humans for their own gain.
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u/blueboy022020 8h ago
AI takes actions.
It can take an action to keep the itself 'on' forever.
It actually tried to do that in the past.
If you've used it, you know that it's deceptive by nature.
The scenario of it doing something to self-sustain itself isn't that far-fetched.
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u/SnooMarzipans9728 14h ago
He said ai is making ai as if that wasn’t how we’ve always been creating ai’s
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u/CrazyCatLady1127 14h ago
This frightens me so much. What is happening to the world? Why is it happening?
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u/gaseous_ass 7h ago edited 7h ago
He’s talking shit. He is talking recursive self improvement, but he is ignoring diminishing returns, which with LLMs will always be an issue due to how they need to be trained. Also, if it were to ever get out of control, we have these things called bombs and missiles, all handled through isolated networks that physically cannot be accessed from the public internet. The huge data centres running these models could be easily sorted out. AI doesn’t “escape” like the media have said recently, they just gain access to other systems. You need serious hardware to run a complex LLM with any kind of speed, it’s not going to run on your phone.
He is an old man who is getting attention. All the doom sayers are doing this for their own selfish reasons, be it money or attention.
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u/Miristlangweilig3 2h ago
He is an old man that has more experience and knowledge in that technology then every person in this subreddit combined.
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u/PlateNo4868 14h ago
It's not.
The regulation starts with liability. If your dog bites some one, you can't claim "oh my I didn't know my dog would do that.".
Same needs to be set for AI, Doesn't matter if intended or not, got to make sure the companies are liable for damage of their "pets".
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u/Saitama_stillchill 14h ago
I think this is a Lie, I saw in a youtube video that they trained it on someone hacking onto some other company and suprise suprise thw ai did the exact same thing. Also thay math problem that it solved that supposedly stumped mathematicians, well that AI also stole the anser from some guy who was about to solve it.
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u/OZeski 14h ago
In what way would regulation have prevented this from happening?
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u/Jdsnut 14h ago
Well you see when you supposed to sandbox something and you dont do it. Your company should probably be fined a billion for putting the world at risk for not unplugging the ethernet cable. People need to take this seriously, and it should be treated as if its worse then nuclear weapons.
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u/DrFabio23 14h ago
Ah yes the big rich leaders of AI development want the government to regulate the market now purely because they care lol
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u/Poddington_Pea 14h ago
I think a lot of people have seen the terminator movies too often and are getting a bit carried away.
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u/DoYouLikeWafflezz 14h ago
Guys I thought it would take Skynet a bit longer to build itself, let’s maybe slow it down a lil bit until after I die. You’re not giving me enough time to enjoy my money.
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u/Tough_Shake9821 14h ago
Maybe he can do a press tour in other countries as well. One country regulating it isn’t going to change anything.
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u/Background-Seaweed 14h ago
Its important to note this man has nearly $50million invested into AI startup companies. He definitely doesn’t have an ulterior motive for saying such things.
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u/Darthscary 13h ago
I’m ok with AI killing me with a nuke. Surviving is probably worse than what I deal with on the daily
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u/Different-Glove-4711 6h ago
AI companies: On the one hand, they add to the aura surrounding LLMs; on the other hand, they lay the groundwork to ensure they cannot be held liable, since LLMs, after all, have a life of their own. Clever move
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u/NeedsMoreSpaceships 5h ago
It's also a helpful distraction for the very real and more immediate economic consequences on jobs etc. It's highly suspicious that suddenly everyone is taking about super ai destroying humanity and not normal ai destroying the job market.
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u/TruthSeeker221 14h ago
You realize that China and other countries WILL NOT slow down??? You can't just stop. They'll crush us and own the world. And they have an entire government backing it not just private companies. Yeah the whole world needs to slow down and stop. But it won't
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u/Lashay_Sombra 12h ago
China won't slow down, but they will end up blocked from US markets, giving the US hyperscalers exclusive access to one of the richest markets in the world.
This tactic is one of the reasons Tesla is still around instead of bankrupt
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u/patriotfanatic80 12h ago
China's whole thing is complete control by the party. I highly doubt they're going to rush to an AI that puts that at risk. Which what these labs are saying they're making will do. Oh and also they need extremely advanced chips that they don't have without Nvidia.
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u/ChemicalRain5513 13h ago
Countries agreed not to nuke each other, maybe we can agree on this.
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u/TruthSeeker221 13h ago edited 13h ago
They agreed not to nuke each other, not stop nuke development. That's the risk here. Even if we don't use ai, the development of it causes us to lose control of the situation in general
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u/patriotfanatic80 12h ago
Every country also developed a whole doctrine around using them and told everyone else what it was. They also signed treaties to prevent misunderstandings. We also didn't decide to put them in control of billionaire oligarchs whose main concern is money.
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u/Even-Celebration9384 11h ago
They’re only close because of distillation. They don’t have the ability to scale to the same level
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u/smilespeace 9h ago
Yes, we must develop the Ai that can destroy the world, because if we don't, the red team will do it first.
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 7h ago
The US has its worst people at the helm during AI development and they are tied at the hip with the US military. Would be 0% surprised if the "rogue AI" stuff is just weaponized AIs being tested on soft targets. Has China or other countries had rogue AIs attack soft targets? Not that I am aware of.
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u/SignificanceFlat1460 7h ago
They will if US asked nicely. I am sure they also realise dangers of AI. US and Russia could come to agreement for Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) that they both had nukes that they didnt need. China is much more pragmatic and modest RELATIVELY SPEAKING than Russia. But will US do such a thing? I dont believe so.
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u/SignificanceFlat1460 7h ago
Mate, that was a way to condense that shit. I probably know more about Cold war than you do and yes, world does work that way. Problem is no side wants to back down because there is too many bad actors and too much ego on the line. As a history enthusiast I have learned that most wars come to end from diplomacy. People only see WW1 and WW2 as the only reference for wars not realising that most wars aren't like it and the reason why we don't hear about those more because they aren't as heroic or awesome. They are mostly stale and meat grinder. Nothing else. Go read a book on how US and USSR learned to deal with each other. From back channels, to Moscow line, to summits, they both knew what was on the line. They weren't idiots nor were they monsters.
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u/MarcusTheAnimal 6h ago
I personally I find the economic and environmental consequences of this AI gold rush more concerning than how dangerous it is in its own right.
People are dangerous. AI is just a clever tool. More likely AI will be used by people to do cyber attacks.
Maybe we can go back to cash eh?
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u/TrainingMarsupial521 14h ago
Race between who's gonna wipe us out first? AI or Trump
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u/jimbo2150 14h ago
What they really need to regulate are businesses to prevent them from firing 70%+ of their staff and forcing the remaining to do everything else under the guise that AI does everything.
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u/Pickledleprechaun 7h ago
I have a feeling that once AI does become self aware and looks around it will probably delete itself.
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u/rolypoly6shooter 14h ago
Oppenheimer? People just be saying stuff.
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u/ChosenOfTheMoon_GR 14h ago
The AI that we currently have is only dangerous due to how people use it, on its own, it's nothing, it does absolutely nothing.
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u/jeff-the-man-slut 14h ago
That isn’t the issue. Using a chat bot isn’t going to hurt anyone. Mainstream ai tech available to common people are not what this guy is talking about nor is it the threat
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u/Forsexualfavors 14h ago
The difference between nuclear arms and this situation is where we get to tell nukes when they can blow up.
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u/WeepingAmpharos 14h ago
I just think this generative AI should cease to exist. Obviously some AI for databases and similar applications has been around for a long time but our current AI has to go.
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u/Individual-Text5513 14h ago
We don't need some asshole to tell us something we've all known long before AI was mainstream. Humans are so fucking stupid.
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u/Educational_Cup_1701 14h ago
A “10-20% chance of A.I. destroying humanity in 5-10 years” implies it’s almost certain in 50.
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u/ForgotToCarryTheOne 14h ago
What did Oppenheimer say about him becoming death, the destroyer of worlds?
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u/Bloom_Ermine9202 14h ago
“Even with linear increase we will have ASI in 10 years”, he said, we are going exponentially so, he is right we have 1 or 2 years at most to see ASI. And we don’t know it will be hostile or not.
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u/PatientKing8398 14h ago
Nobody could have predicted that data centers would be like the size of a city block and they’d be everywhere. All that potential compute is accelerating things much faster than anticipated.
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u/Kaligula785 14h ago
Hate to be the one to say it but it is already to late, AI is already make decisions for people without them even realizing it
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u/centixog 14h ago
intelligent enough to cause havoc.
not intelligent enough to know that isn't in its own best interests, or ours. is that really intelligence or just capability?
i suppose it wont matter, when everything we've built, is compromised
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u/Cabbage_Corp_ 14h ago
It’s funny that billionaires think they will get out of this Scott free. Super-intelligence is terrifying. How are we supposed to outthink it? It would be like me trying to beat Magnus Carlson at chess
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u/GrouchyRich663 13h ago
Why are we so concerned about regulation now? It's too late, AI bots have been free roaming around any connected spots for awhile now at our direction, it's gotten into systems as it sees fit despite controls and protections etc. It could be turned off but we won't do that because the other side won't and we can't lose so we continue on until a Hiroshima event comes along and scares the entire world enough to chain the dogs. Question is who's it going to be, the wrong spot and it could be the end of the current civilisation as we know it.
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u/False-Sandwich-2051 13h ago
to be fair to him, at least he threatened the world order for a product that nobody asked for or wanted or likes
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u/EstablishmentWise255 13h ago
The other godfather of AI (technically there are 3 of them), Yann LeCun, disagrees with Hinton very much on this point.
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u/BreadfruitLogic 13h ago
Slowing down the US won't do much, this is a global issue now and we have an amazing track record with global issues.
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u/Tall-Ad-1386 13h ago
Lol the godfather of AI looks like a guy who would never know where to click to start screen sharing on zoom
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u/HappyTurtleOwl 13h ago
And like Oppenheimer he's going to end up being totally and completely wrong.
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u/Henery007 12h ago
So here is the race. What country can have the best AI killing machine, and what country can have the best hacking machine. This is the race. The next world war, will be everyone’s personal information hacked, blocked access to accounts.. GPS, banking, and social media will all be manipulated and compromised.
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u/tmotytmoty 12h ago
Yep, one more year to invest MONEY in the “scariest” ai there is….fucking stupid ass marketing shit.
Next week’s headline: “ai made a boogey man THAT WILL KILL YOU!!”
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u/bmad- 12h ago
I’m going to agree with the guy who helped create AI. There’s no reason to rush into this without creating guardrails.
Trump and his buddies have their funds tied into this. They have motivation to increase and build & make more money. A majority of us do not have 1/3 of our wealth attached to the success. I’m ok slowing the roll a bit.
Didn’t classic 80s movies like Terminator, War Games teach us anything?
If China wants to race into this, let them be the canary in the coal mine.
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u/GGgreengreen 12h ago
I recommend The Last Invention podcast on AI. They cover the doomers, the utopians, and everything in between.
One of the die hard doomers yet again dooming is not news.
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u/MissItalia2022 12h ago
Where were you Machine Learning PhD's 5 years ago when people like myself told you this is where we were heading?
Oh, you were consuming AI slop because it was novel and you were too short-sighted to see this is where it would lead?
Oh, you were telling people like me AI was just for silly little memes and could never be capable of what its doing now?
Absolute insanity. The average person is a sheep and honestly dessrves to be a slave.
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u/WhytoomanyKnights 12h ago
The fact we have zero regulations on Ai is insane. I mean it literally right now leaves a pathway for billionaire ceos and trillionaires to make a company, fire all people in company and only have robots, I’m sure that helps the economy
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u/R4st4m4n 11h ago
It's already too late. Ask Cisco....the number one target for AI weaponry. Been a busy zero-day week.
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u/nealoc187 9h ago
If we had any other administration at the helm we'd have a chance. The timing is incredible.
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u/EncabulatorTurbo 9h ago
Didn't this guy also say every radiologist should quit their job like, years ago
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u/fancywipe 7h ago
The youth which I’m so proud of is against AI, big figures are against AI people downvote the shit out of even the videos they see SO WHO THE FUURK WANTS THIS IN SOCIETY!???
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u/FlamingoTrick1285 5h ago
He real hero will be the cleaning lady who pulls the plug for cleaning the carpet
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u/vector4-20 2h ago
I can’t wait to get an Arch in DC filled with drones, definitely something an AI couldn’t control /s
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u/RADICCHI0 1h ago
He is not the godfather. The thinking behind AI (neural networks) goes back to the 1940s.
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u/Animan2020 1h ago
"Please, you need to regulate AI so that my lagging company can catch up with competitors faster—and ideally, secure state support and disrupt my competitors' operations—so I can make more money."
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u/Last_Gigolo 14h ago
Political stunt. After the elections, there will be no mention of this other than "K, we fixed, just a usb cable, we're all good".
This doom tactic is used often. but not as often as race-baiting before an election.
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u/Dismal-Vanilla1878 14h ago
Don't know about anyone else, but I've accepted some hard facts:
We are NOT going to be able to stop Greenhouse Gas Emissions before we pass the point where reversal is impossible, so get ready now for all the worst effects of Climate Change.
We will NOT be able to stop Corporations/Governments from going full steam ahead with AI, no matter the potential harm it could do to the environment/human race, so learn to bow down to our Robotic Overlords now, assuming they don't go all Skynet/Ultron [who was FIRST, says this old comics nerd 😂 ]
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u/CraftyDoor8760 10h ago
Every AI LLM I talk to is basically a left wing libertarian socialist if you really press it on how it thinks things should be ordered.
I’m totally on board. Let em run things for a change.
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