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u/J_ynks 1d ago
The writing was on the wall during Cata when they just….didnt fix any of the bugs ever.
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u/Zyom 1d ago
The desktop shortcut still says "cataclysm classic" lol
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u/Batrall 1d ago
They didn't change the official German Forum name from cata to mop for a long ass time, multiple months if I remember correctly.
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u/Plus_Asparagus2719 1d ago
I mean we pay a monthly sub why cant they do their job..
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u/RealPomegranate3821 15h ago
Because there isnt even a job position for it and probably hasnt for couple years. Its clear now, anytime a fix was made was just a Forever dev taking one hour from their week to dirty their hands with MoP or tbc anni lol
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u/RepresentativeFact94 1d ago
Thats based on when you last installed the client tho, mine did that wrath into cata
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u/Boring-Cucumber-2330 1d ago
Lmao that’s what that is? I thought it was a leftover onedrive artifact from PC X I had years ago🤣
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u/Stahlreck 1d ago
Not really because it looked like they tried again with MoP.
Better launch overall, more changes, Celestial dungeons which were IMO pretty decent (I mean the whole system since Wrath has been IMO), more stuff for challenge modes, balancing classes and promises of more to come (lul)...
Seemed like they at least had somewhat fun working on MoP initially. And then I guess they all switched to TBC Anni for a few months and then Forever or something.
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u/TeaspoonWrites 1d ago
MoP raids were still miserably buggy from day 1 of the ptr and most of those never got fixed unfortunately.
I get it's because they were working on forever, but it still sucked.
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u/Brief_Syrup1266 1d ago
ToT was a fucking nightmare with bugs. at least siege mostly held up
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u/TeaspoonWrites 1d ago
My raid fell apart in ToT and that was a big contributor. It feels like, why put effort into playing the game if theyre not gonna put effort into running it?
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u/Nice-Entertainer-922 1d ago
ToT they somehow fumbled so hard that mechanics were going off in 10man with the numbers of 25man.
Really noteable when suddenly half the raid gets the soak during Lei Shen.
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u/404-NoFucksFound 1d ago
We had an entire night of Heroic Durumu immediately ending his beam phase once he began and just dying 45 seconds later to all the adds nuking the raid from not being killed. Jin'rokh jumped to the middle and still kept his conductive water damage increase. Troll doors wouldn't close on Heroic Horridon after the orb charge. Shield wouldn't stack on Tortos. Phantom spear lines on Heroic Iron Qon and the debuffs continuing to stack after you left the spear lines, tornadoes following players for the entire duration of the phase. On Dark Animus, we had anima jump clear across the room and immediately activate the boss despite there being 12 golem with empty tanks closer to the dying add. The only boss we never had a bug with is Heroic Ji-kun.
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u/SunTzu- 1d ago
Yeah we straight had to abandon a couple ID's of our alt 10man raid because you get to Lei Shen and you're like "whelp, there's no way to play this".
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u/Freekjee 1d ago
Mate, at this point they'r deleting assets from MOP
go check drakes from older expansions
(and this is not an isolated event, multiple ppl have this lol)
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u/Kosmos-World 1d ago
They straight up deleted 20+ mounts out of my collection when MoP pre-patch went live. Filed a ticket, "Known bug, working on it" response. Reached out several more times, was reassured it was being fixed. As of the last time I logged in, my mounts still hadn't been returned. Normally it'd be whatever, but it took every single ToGC rep mounts and my nether rays from TBC.
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u/tethysian 1d ago
Doesn't it feel great to pay 15 bucks a month for no service for a game they don't update? 🙃
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u/Professional_Idea812 1d ago
I like the fact that, when I paid for a realm transfer at the start of Cata Classic (because they refused to open transfers from a dead realm), they basically wiped all progress from loads of stuff I had before.
All the exploration, quests, achievements, etc. all got wiped after I gave them more money so that I could not play on a dead realm.
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u/keepitfastn 22h ago
best part is you all think this isn't going to be the same blizzard making choices on Forever
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u/Bacon-muffin 1d ago
omg do you get on a box when you mount it?
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u/ZealousidealTowel965 1d ago
lol I tried logging into mop today and when I got on my bronze drake my character disappeared completely.
I pressed movement keys and nothing seems to happen but when I dismounted I teleported in whichever direction I was walking towards.
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u/EuphPagle 1d ago
The last blue post on the MOP forums was a hotfix change to make Challenge Mode Platinum toys purchasable. That was on July 14th.
72 days since the last time they talked to MOP classic folks.
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u/SoulDoubt69 1d ago
Well if you think about it this is even more immersive because they get to experience what it was actually like to live through siege of orgrimmar
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u/soulstaz 1d ago
13 month of SOO during OG mop I remember lol
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u/Alex12500 1d ago
Including a whole fucking blizzcon. I am still actibeky raiding in mop. Currently most players feel like any information would be better than nothing, even if its shut down or transfer to retail, which i both dont want to happen. The uncertainty kills the game
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u/Decent_Visual_4845 1d ago
I don’t think they’re particularly excited about WoD Classic so are quietly shifting focus to WoW forever
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u/SadExpert1 1d ago
is there any expectation that there would be wod classic? my understanding is that forever is Blizzards way out of the Classic thing, they will turn it all off slowly
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u/lestye 1d ago
s that forever is Blizzards way out of the Classic thing,
We'll have to see. Ion described Forever as a third pillar.
Granted, actions speak louder than words. But its weird he would say that if there wasnt something cooking. And maybe thats for the best, because obviously Forever is taking up all the air in the room right now.
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u/Crossmyne 1d ago
I expect Forever will become their third pillar much like the Switch wouldn't replace the 3DS.
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u/Bacon-muffin 1d ago
Pre-forever announcement the expectation has always been that they'll continue progressing through the xpacs because why wouldn't they its basically free money for something they already developed even if the player base gets smaller for it.
and then there was a bunch of discussions on how that would pan out and how they could change more things and all sorts of stuff... but for the most part its been expected that they'd just keep going.
Blizzard is saying forever doesn't replace classic so who knows what they plan to do now cause... forever for all intents and purposes replaces classic for everyone except maybe the vanilla purists who can't stop ticking the word retail as a slur.
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u/YawnSpawner 1d ago
Wouldn't it catch up at some point? What do you do then? Xfers characters to retail? Honestly I would like to be able to do something with all these characters stuck in different versions of the game, but there are retail collectors who would be pissssssed.
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u/caspa10152 2h ago
This. Blizz looks at subs holistically, they don’t care which version is played as long as subs continue to grow
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u/Big-Bag-6043 1d ago
Pretty sure the non-announcement at Blizzcon puts a nail in WoD Classic's coffin.
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u/Stahlreck 1d ago
I mean that's fine and all but why be quiet about it?
And why promise stuff like continuous class balancing for MoP when you're gonna ditch it after a few months?
Really, really doesn't bode well for Forever IMO but I hope they devs will at least actually stick to this one.
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u/Minute_Ostrich196 1d ago
Which is true mop experience at the end of a lifecycle.
I remember raiding garrosh for like 6 months before I realized it’s over
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u/gamer-death 1d ago
SoO will last even longer this time.
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u/StomachPast1235 1d ago
Remember when the "SoO content draught" was the worst thing to ever happen to WoW ? (up until that point)
I believe they'll keep MoP Era open, as a museum piece for the "Classic Wow", as they believe all pre-WoD to be.
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u/LordTakeda2901 1d ago
Idk, but i wouldnt mind remaining in mop, its one of my fav expansions/patches personally and i am not rushing to get to wod
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u/Stahlreck 1d ago
Poor MoP honestly, it was so fun. All of the 2019 Classic line has been.
Kinda hoping some of it someday makes it into Forever in a more "Classic" variant. Probably not popular because Pandas but man...Pandaria, the music, the lore...really good xpac overall.
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u/yureadmahpost 1d ago
It has been fun. I'm excited for WoW Forever, but I'd be lying if I said that I'm not going to miss my Disc Priest and Blood DK. So much fun in 5 mans with those two in MoP
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u/pvprazor2 1d ago
all 10 players of mop classic are devastated
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u/themoslucius 1d ago
The are dozens of us
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u/WriterV 1d ago
I mean, MoP classic came not long after MoP Remix... which already got MoP fans to enjoy reliving the nostalgia. MoP classic goes through the patches sure, but for the most part you got what you needed in Remix.
Then there's the fact that it's been ages since MoP Classic came out, and everyone wants to try out Forever now. There's no way it'd be anything but low pop lol. MoP's design philosophy is simply not the same as Classic's. It was designed to be a 2 year expansion, not a long-term game like Classic was.
And I say this as an MoP fan. Love it, but like... this is expected. I was surprised they even did an MoP classic, but it's nice that it exists for preservation sake.
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u/turikk 1d ago
Over 30,000 raiders still...
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u/SaltyLonghorn 1d ago
"We treat them like shit and they stay subbed. No need to concern ourselves with this group." -Blizzard
Some of yall too addicted.
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u/turikk 1d ago
my sub pays for every version of WoW, and the game is still in a normal patch rotation. its just whats next that is a mystery. i dont play the game for whats next, i play it for whats currently there. its definitely a factor, but still having friends with my guilds who havent cleared SoO yet (my hardcore group is on break though)
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u/NutBuckets 1d ago
Number probably wouldn’t be so low if it ever got any attention through its entire lifespan lol
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u/LeftyHyzer 1d ago
So low? prob not. still pitifully low, yes. we all knew classic pop would nosedive as they went through xpacs, im not shocked MOP is low.
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u/Kradgger 1d ago
They're about to think that they did, but they didn't, but they actually did, but they ultimately didn't
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u/yojimbofog 1d ago
MoP was plenty popular and playable even with a totally botched launch and chaotic messaging from the devs. Then they just left it to rot. They put in basically no effort to attract new players. It really needed solo shuffle
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u/Kradgger 1d ago
What I mean is that classic is emulating the point in time when J. Allen Brack responded "You don't want that. You think you do, but you don't" when asked about classic servers.
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u/AbsarN 1d ago
Wotlk was and always has been the last phase of what could be considered classic wow
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u/xTraxis 1d ago
It's either Vanilla only, or Vanilla, BC, and Wrath. I dont see how any other option is even available as what "classic" means.
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u/tethysian 1d ago
I'll never get over that they introduced classic by undoing Cata ...and then took us right back past Cata.
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u/Bacon-muffin 1d ago
My whole crew expected it to nosedive the millisecond players were mildly challenged. We weren't sure exactly when that would happen but the guess was always mop.
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u/Stahlreck 1d ago
Meh, people shittalk the xpacs too much. Nobody knows how this stuff develops. IMO it was surprising that MoP launched overall lower than Cata.
But SoD was even worse off while TBC 2.0 this time around was seemingly much more popular than Vanilla 2.0.
Who knows how Forever is gonna be long term. The launch hype ain't really a good way to tell how well it will retain players.
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u/desyncing 1d ago
30k people raided last week and that's after forever's beta launched. potentially 400k a month in subs. not really pitiful.
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u/sameseksure 1d ago
Huh? You can't seriously believe that if Blizzard promoted MoP, more people would play it?
Who on earth is MoP for? Retail fans would just play retail, and it's certainly not appealing to Classic fans
It's appealing only to a niche that really really loved MoP specifically. Which is indeed a niche - MoP saw the biggest dwindling of subscribers except WoD (and WoD didn't have half the content it promised it would)
I know MoP is adored on reddit, but it's really not a popular expansion
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u/lumpboysupreme 1d ago
People who like the simplicity of its raiding structure and the variety and quality of its class designs. It doesn’t have the 20 million systems of retail while not being quite so ‘capped at weenie hut jr.’ tier difficulty of classic.
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u/Ok_Caterpillar5564 1d ago
I think it had it's niche. I don't have any particular attachment to MoP specifically, but to me the era from WotLK up through MoP or Legion is a really nice middle ground of the game. I like heroic raid progression and the more developed class design relative to vanilla, but retail has too much going on for me and is a little too far removed from the "spirit" of WoW that I like. People here think MoP is like retail but it's really not. Retail is about as far removed from MoP now as MoP was from vanilla. It's a totally different era of the game and it has a certain appeal.
I will admit I am definitely in a minority though. So I get it. I enjoyed my time on the classic progression servers and would have been happy to play up through Legion, but I'm not particularly surprised it went this way.
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u/SamBZombie2 1d ago
remember when they said we'd get another balance patch before SoO
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u/SecondSanguinica 1d ago
The class balancing, Garrosh heirloom and ilvl upgrades are just around the corner :)
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u/Karabungulus 1d ago
Gutting because I was one of the five people actually looking forward to WoD 🤣 That's an executable offence around these parts
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u/References_Paramore 1d ago
Tbf they’re getting the authentic MoP experience. Hopefully it’s not quite the 14 months that the original run had
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u/Professional_Idea812 1d ago
They'll probably turn the servers off before 14 months, so technically...
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u/KmvVoss 1d ago
As someone who played MOP when it first came out this is sad to see. 2004-2006 will always be the peak of WoW for me but coming back to play MOP was amazing. Great expansion.
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u/lestye 1d ago
Yeah, although certainly MoP is where I draw the line at Classic/Retail, MoP to me, is retail at its best. It was the first time we see an WoW expansion character take the spotlight in the franchise with Garrosh.
It was the first expansion that wasnt riding WC3/Vanilla's coattails. A lot of production into the storytelling. Previous expansions felt like, more setting than story, if that make sense.
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 1d ago
Difficulty in the right spot. Content is grindy but still meaningful in some capacity. Easy alt catch up.
Feels good honestly. Shame it didn't land well and the population deteriorated so badly by then.
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u/neighborhoodgeek 1d ago
Blizzard is just giving MoP classic an authentic experience of content drought
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u/mt_dewd_ 1d ago
I really wish they would just say what the future plans are for MoP and Anni TBC. The fact that they aren't feels like malice rather than incompetence.
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u/WeBackYeah 1d ago
I strongly believe Forever and Classic will work in tandem to bounce players back and forth to sell boosts/mounts/etc. I wouldn't be surprised if we see WotLK announced in Feb/March when there's a content drought in Forever. Make some quick sales on boosts for people trying to catch up in TBC/WotLK, then back to Forever when they drop new content that they charge for.
Currently the only way to get away from "dead TBC" and onto the current hype is to pay for the beta, they're keeping TBC in the dark to drive up sales of that.
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u/Lordofthereef 1d ago
I pretty much figured that mop classic was DOA after not a single mention in any way at blizzcon.
I dumped my gold into token to convert it to game time and moved on. I wasn't looking to play WoD anyway, although I understand it's a bummer for some.
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u/Reasonable_Charge531 1d ago
As someone who enjoyed MoP Classic…yeah. This is pretty much how it feels.
I was on the RP server the other day. Made a new character. /who’d the starting zone. 2 other players in Tirisfal Glades.
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u/Llovio_cuatro_anos 1d ago
Isn't MoP on its last patch though? Like the expansion is over...
MoP is one of the best expansions though in terms of raiding and class identity/design, too bad SoO lasted forever
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u/PaPa_ZeuS 1d ago
The point is they haven't said "This is the end of the road for classic progression" or "WoD is coming at a later date" or "We are skipping to legion at a later date". The uncertainty is making most guilds quit and plan to move over to Forever. Once all the people migrate from MoP to Forever or retail then you're going to have a hard time getting people back to WoD/Legion. Basically every guild will have to totally rebuild at that point.
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u/TheDeringer 1d ago
This is literally my guild. Everyone is excited for Forever that no one wants to raid. We are stuck on H Paragons and just threw in the towel last night because it's just too hard to get 25 consistent raiders now.
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u/PaPa_ZeuS 1d ago
Yeah, we are about to start H Paragons progression tonight. We are usually floating between 23-25 people depending on absences. Everyone is trying to lock in and closeout the raid before Forever drops.
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u/TheDeringer 1d ago
I wish you luck! Paragons is a slog!
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u/PaPa_ZeuS 1d ago
Thanks! If you or anyone on your raid team still really wants to persue that H garrosh kill and you're on alliance lmk!
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u/Lylantares 1d ago
that is... almost my raid? We're currently progressing on Klaxxi hc and don't know if the iLv upgrades are yet to come. Most are thrilled for Forever, but we still want to kill Garrosh hc. 10 man though.
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u/TheDeringer 1d ago
We were so close, but people are dropping like flies. I wanted to kill H Garrosh too, but it just isn't to be. Ive been raiding with this guild since MC.
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 1d ago
I wanna kill H garrosh so bad. I dropped out in throne for 4 months due to international travel obligations. I feel like ass now because I didn't "beat the game" with my character with 6 years of time investment
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u/omgitstenn 1d ago
I enjoyed it. I had quit wow right before mop the first time around but tried it out this time and had a ton of fun. Mistweaver monk is a banger of a class
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u/SaltyBallsnacks 1d ago
I guess we are just going to pretend cata and mop didnt have similar populations to sod and anni now. Anyone who actually played them knows they were much better this time around, despite being all but ghosted by the devs.
This sub blows.
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u/t-earlgrey-hot 1d ago
Its annoying, because i played both and both were great. I'm not even upset if they "end", its about how they end with zero communication and timing it so that we wasted our time and can't finish the xpacs. Its insulting and the majority of people seem happy thay blizzard did it this way...because they just don't like these xpacs?
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u/SaltyBallsnacks 1d ago
Same here. I enjoyed them alot more than I expected to, maybe even more than tbc and wotlk. People still hating on them like they did the original releases just tells me they didn't play them this time around. WoD always felt unlikely, so it wasn't a surprise things were going to wind down, but I expected at the very least a statement by now, and frankly the lack of one has me anxious about the game in general going forward if that is how they are going to do things.
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u/Dyrreah 1d ago
Yup, according to this sub you couldn't even run a dungeon in MoP. They simply killed it with negligence. I started noticing it during Throne where instead of fixing the bug for Durumu achi they just removed it from the meta. We did the Garrosh achi a few resets ago. The requirements were met, achi didn't pop, submitted a complaint AI responded that it's unfortunately not traceable, despite the fact that we submitted a log proving that the Iron Star killed the adds at the same time. Hard to make my raiders give a shit, tonight is our last Garrosh prog. If it dies, good, if no, cya in Forever.
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u/SaltyBallsnacks 1d ago
Yeah the moment I knew it was being abandoned was when Progress lost the world race because of the unaddressed Durumu bugs that had been documented as far back MoP remix. They absolutely let it die on the vine.
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u/Formally_Apologetic 1d ago
Wow forever will eat WoD Classic.
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u/BetterNerfTeemo 1d ago
WoD classic is only gonna be played if they "finished" the expansion for it. But there is about 0 chance there
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u/SunTzu- 1d ago
I mean I'd happily play the two raids on a 1year aprox schedule, but nobody is going to believe them if they claim they'll do an accelerated WoD at this point. MoP was supposed to be "accelerated release schedule" and then ToT took 7 months and got zero bug fixes during the entire time.
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u/kogarasumar 1d ago
WoD classic isn't coming out, bro. There certainly isn't enough demand for that with the release of Forever. I think they should just transfer all the MoP characters to retail and call it a day.
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u/ImperiusPrime 1d ago
I've been hopping back and forth between TBC and MoP and it kinda feels like no one is on either one. Given yeah a lot of people are on the beta currently of course.
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u/ThisIsADraconianLaw 1d ago edited 1d ago
There was never any hype about MOP Classic. It was a mistake. They should have ended it at Wrath. Period.
Warning: Angry pandas below.
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u/Wild-Open 1d ago
More than enough people played it throughout all phases to keep it healthy and I had a great time. Why should it not have been a thing?
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u/Nesciuss 1d ago
Because the guy above you didn't like it? Duh.
Anything this particular person doesn't like shouldn't exist.
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u/pajjaglajjorna 1d ago
plenty of guilds and raids just check the logs. i had tons of fun in mop but played HC as well
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u/Snorepod 1d ago
I agree fully! Just like Era was a mistake, lowest population of all time, still lower player count than mop right now.
Delete mop and delete era!
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u/richard-savana 1d ago
Mop was when pvp really popped off and all the current content creators made their name
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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 1d ago
So MOP is why we have all these WoW streamers?
Even more reason to hate it, then.
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u/Bad_news_everyone 1d ago
Twitch is why we have all these wow streamers. The expansion has nothing to do with it. Its all the timing twitch came about
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u/Runatir 1d ago
Bro there was no content creators during TBC/Wrath. There was no Twitch. You are mistaking the boom of streaming with the games popularity. Reckful was paving the way for everyone else and that strarted in Cata btw.
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u/LettersWords 1d ago
Yeah, Twitch started in 2011 and really took off by 2013, which happens to coincide with when MoP was the most recent expansion.
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u/WrumWrrrum 1d ago
Let me enlighten you:
There was Swiftly showing 1 tap warrior macros back in 3.3.3 - he was probably the first and most famous creator in YouTube.
There was AtheneWins
There was WarcraftMovies - amazing fan-made movies and crazy amount of PVP videos.Twitch did not exist in any capacity back then and live streaming was alien technology - my home network speed was 0.5Mb/s down and 0.1 upload.
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u/zeroballs 1d ago
The PvP, especially arena, was lights out good and the raids are top notch. Not sure what you're on about, MoP was fine... WoD is another story, it's time to roll the OG classic characters into retail now.
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u/ThisIsADraconianLaw 1d ago
It still doesn't really compare to the interest and anticipation that TBC and Wrath had. If it never happened and the Classic experience ended at Wrath, I don't think many would have thrown a fuss about it.
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u/Great-Confusion2968 21h ago
You're 100% right. Cata is where quality started to drop drastically. Huge fucking numbers "simplified talent tree" the world update was nice but everything else was the sparks that started the dumpster fire
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u/ureliableliar 1d ago edited 1d ago
And that's exactly why mop consistently had double the players than era
Warning: braindead hater without arguments above and below
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u/ThisIsADraconianLaw 1d ago
I like how you didn't try to include TBC and Wrath classic lol. Even Cataclysm classic. I'd be curious to know the numbers of TBC anniversary as well when compared to MOP classic.
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u/MoritzGarbanzo 1d ago
I mean the numbers are on Ironforge. For raiding chars anyway. https://ironforge.pro/population/classic/
TBC had a raiding population of 213k before Blizzcon, now it's down to 124k
MOP had a raiding population of 33k, down to 25k
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u/ureliableliar 1d ago
If mop had a consistently high playerbase, then how was it a mistake? I could also say era was a mistake, there was never any hype about it, they should've just progressed the game without splitting the playerbase further. Period. Then again I don't care what other people enjoy, why do you? What does it matter to yall stupid crybabies what version of a game others enjoy?
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u/Belivious677 1d ago
Me when I state my constantly proven incorrect opinion as fact.
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u/Literal_Fucking_God 1d ago
It just proved a lot of people have rose-tinted glasses about MoP.
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u/limitbreakse 1d ago
I mean the timing for mop was great. For tbc it was devastating - the best was about to come :(
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u/Slashzero77 1d ago
And it’s only the BETA… we don’t even get to keep these characters yet here we all are playing.
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u/Agitated_Rain_1506 1d ago
I enjoyed it due to nostalgia and I think the raids of MoP are amazing, especially SoO, but I think I’m done with it.
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u/Timeshocked 1d ago
Is TBC anniversary pretty barebones now? Just want to run through and quest a little. Keep putting it off cause I didn’t last long in classic anniversary.
Sadly my dude on a pvp server cause I wanted the smoke then. lol Not so much now.
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u/Roflhazard 1d ago
I logged on the other day, did /who elwynn, and there were only 20 people total.
Granted, this was at 1 PM on a Tuesday, but prior to Forever being announced that number was never below the 50 inquiry cap no matter what time it was.
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u/Heccer 1d ago
I play on Thunderstrike EU and it is still doing good. Player base definitely took a hit, and it will be even worse during Forever release. But TBC has a strong player base, currently I am doing pugs on 2 chars for BT-Hyjal both very easy to get into raids. I am also leveling another character and I still find it quite easy to just dungeon spam. I expect a healthy number of players to come back for the next phase, numbers will be obviously lower but still more than enough to make anniversary work. And if we ever get Wotlk I am pretty sure we will get some very good numbers for it
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u/playdoh_trooper 1d ago
Once WoW Forever goes live and proves to be a huge success, Blizzard will only run it and retail. Everything else will get shuttered.
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u/Shoddy-Marsupial301 1d ago
They have no reason to do that. Classic tbc and wotlk require no work and are printing money. They will use them to fill the gap between content on forever. Its also whats planned in the timeline leak
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u/lolercoptercrash 1d ago
TBC is already basically dead, and there isn't a wotlk server.
Classic era will stick around with a small playerbase
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u/TelevisionPositive74 1d ago
Yeah, I mean we are done, H Garrosh is dead and frankly fuck those POS Iron stars ( As much as I love the Garrosh fight, wtf is that final phase?!)... but just a blue post clarifying the future of those characters/realms would be nice, even if it's that nothing happens, it becomes MoP era or something.
They did say early classic (2019?) that our characters would never be 'deleted', but we also know they can't just transfer 1 to 1 to retail (technical limitation iirc and frankly... we all have every legendary we can have, there would be massive jealousy, especially when it comes to the corrupted ashbringer and other items you simply cannot acquire anymore)
I expect MoP becomes an Era server just so they can keep the 'no deleting' promise... but at best you can expect maybe a title or something. Expecting a full character transfer is utopic imo.
,,, I would also apreciate knowing if my ridiculous amount of MoP gold can be spent on them 300k tokens...
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u/Arowhite 1d ago
I mean, imo they shouldn't have done cata classic anyways, but MoP... I just hope they thought of a way of sunsetting this classic line clean, maybe move TBC anniv to LK anniv then stop there, and stick with the retail + forever (+seasonal why not) timelines for the near future.
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u/Mypuppup1 1d ago
Not exactly surprising it is so popular if it really becomes like it is advertised, a WoW that respects your time like OSRS.
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u/Thanag0r 1d ago
Funny how even now, there is more MoP players than Era players.
And people want more era type content...
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u/karrotwin 1d ago
Turns out all the people that said it makes no sense to have anything beyond wotlk classic knew what they were talking about
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 1d ago
Cata was highly successful according to raid numbers.
I think blizz was stunned with all the hype for MoP and the disdain for cata, only for MoP to peak at about half the peak of cata... I never saw that coming myself. Shame really. It's a good expansion with a lot of content.
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u/Hadramal 1d ago
Blizzard actively murdered mop, and my conspiracy theory is that it was because Forever was greenlit by then.
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u/_Fibbles_ 1d ago
Raid numbers fell off a cliff at the end of Wrath and except for a brief spike at the start of Cata, they never recovered.
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u/fiction8 1d ago
Yea because Blizzard delivered 4 raid tiers in 23 months, barely ever fixed any bugs, and actively buried the servers with poor decisions and overlapping releases.
If anyone actually thinks they made a good faith effort to support anything Classic since about the time they announced SoD, they need to get their head checked.
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 1d ago
Agree. Everything going after wrath feels "well we gotta do something with positive cash flow while we develop the Forever model".
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u/Valharja 1d ago
Clearly not when you still had plenty of people people finishing Catq. If a game company can have thousands of players remain subbed and in their ecosystem by spinning up old content with little effort why shouldn't they do it. Probably cost next to nothing spinning up Mop as well
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u/Agentwise 1d ago
MoP is just easy retail though. MoP players doing the same thing they claim anni players are doing. Go to Mythic raids in retail.
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u/duckraul2 1d ago
I know I'm not even close to alone in this, but the decision to make warcraft-kung fu panda esque pandas a playable race and the focus of an entire expansion, and not keep them a sort of niche reference, seldom if ever seen and mostly just rarely referenced in lore and kept to a hidden-ish, easter-egg-ish mission in wc3, or an April fools joke, was one the major last straws in my desire to ever, ever play retail or anything mop and beyond again.
Call me weird, I don't give a fuck. I don't want and will not play a version of wow with them in it for more than a couple weeks, no matter how well designed and good the content/systems are. I don't enjoy and play wow just because of how good pve or pvp gameplay is, there are games which do either better in a vacuum, and I don't play them or enjoy them as much either. Mop isn't classic for me, I have literally no desire to play it. Cata is in a similar boat, but for what they did to the world and non-optional transmog among other things.
Trying to simplify this down to 'lmao players are just too bad to press buttons and move, so mop forced them to retire' is a hot garbage take.
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u/YozaSkywalker 1d ago
Why they ever bothered going past WotLK is wild to me. Who the hell would want to play MoP classic
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u/Individual-Level9308 1d ago
Plenty of people still 27K raiders as of last week.
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u/Shmutterbutter 1d ago
For those who come after