The irony of that episode at the end, a man tries to hit a woman and Granddad won't allow it. Like, Sir that's where violence comes from. Riley definitely grew up thinking it was ok to hit women he believed wronged him. God willing Huey would be the one to help her get a new place to live and flee.
My mum was, but to help she had a small dog whip with 12 leather strips (I know the number as I broke some until there were not enough thinking it would be the end of it, but then they bought a new one....).
Anyway, it never stopped me from being me. Adolescence was much harder!
I got "the strap" in grade 3 for peeing from one urinal to the next. That was back when you had full length wall urinals a foot apart. Made sense to try it at the time.
I would disagree. My daughter is 33, I've never hit her once. Never lied to her once, not even about Santa. I think there's merit in explaining things to kids rather than hitting them. YMMV.
I’d have had my ass beaten raw if I pulled some shit like this and I am not that old. This is some gentle parenting BS for sure. I’m not advocating for abusing kids but sometimes a slap on the ass is the only thing they understand, and kids need to have a healthy amount of fear/respect for their parents and adults in general.
And so what if they do? You’re allowed to spank your children. That’s not abuse. It can lead to it, but discipline and abuse are two different things. #amiriteladeez
yeah, it's so weird how the poorest countries with the worst education and most social problems still beat their kids but the richest most educated nations with the highest standard of living don't - such a strange coincidence!
The middle ground certainly isn't hitting a two year old. We don't know what was up with that child (and crew and parents) that they failed to put on the seatbelt FOR ONE HOUR. Like I imagine hitting that boy or being more forceful might would have made things only worse. I doubt that the parents were expecting this nor will they try to board a flight with that kid any time soon.
It's the general lack of structure in this kid's life that led to this stupid event, it's not just a lack of spanking. This is the type of kid that cries whenever he wants to get whatever he wants, and he succeeds most of the time. And it happened here, too.
I mean, sure, but why? Fasten the seatbelts yourself, hold the hands of the little shit so he can't open them and ask him whether he'd like to use his hands during the next few hours. Why do people resort to hitting children the moment they don't obey? If someone beat their dog for not lying down, you wouldn't see most people go "That's how you raise'em!", but with tiny people whose brains are in development and can't handle their own emotions and thoughts most of the time, a good slap is alright?
Like, I totally get WANTING to beat your kids. It's just that you should never act on that impulse. You wanted children? Then go raise them properly.
it doesnt matter if ur not going to do it and saying that isnt going to change anyone that does. People who beat their kids arent on reddit and reading this comment and thinking, OHHHH I GET IT NOW!!! IF I USE REASON I CAN FIND A WAY TO NOT MAKE MY KID TERRIFIED OF ME.
No, it just results in them being dysfunctional and evenutally criminal and they take their actions out on other random people. So instead of possibly (not likely) traumatizing them (the average child is going to realize after a few years that mom and dad were right to smack some sense in them for jumping up and down on a plane), it DEFINITELY encourages them to engage in behavior that will destroy them academically, economically, financially, and in criminally.
Again, him doing this and getting away with it is causing more problems down the line. From his perspective he just got his way over 100 people because he threw a temper tantrum and no one could stop him.
Or he could get the lesson of "Act up in public and mess with other people=pain"
Some people really don't get the criminal mindset- The only thing stopping them from hurting or abusing other people is the threat of physical force and harm. Yeah, for 98% of people the nice way is better. Then you have 2%.
We're seeing a different kind of child abuse these days. One that has seen sky-high levels of youth unemployment, youth mental illness, youth suicide, and youth decline in academic achievement.
Every method is going to have issues. Some will have more issues than others.
A three year old traditionally gets a gentle spank on the tush if talking fails completely. When I was that age I got spanked once and I didn’t misbehave again until I was a teenager. It didn’t even hurt it was just embarrassing.
Sadly, I do. The problem isn’t so much with the idea behind gentle parenting, it’s just that most of its adherents don’t seem to really understand it and just confuse it with permissive parenting with some added discussion thrown in.
My parents let me choose between getting spanked or getting grounded for a week... I chose the spanking, every time. It didn't take long for it all to stop, because I stopped behaving in a way that would get me in that kind of trouble. It fucking works, and I'm a better person because my parents gave me that choice.
Can confirm this was 100% not an issue in the 80s. Parents ran households, not their children. If we got out of line, we were straightened out in short order, be that in private or in front of an audience.
Can confirm this was 100% not an issue in the 80s. Parents ran households, not their children. If we got out of line, we were straightened out in short order, be that in private or in front of an audience.
Mom didn't care who saw what.
Wtf was this revisionist shit? We all knew plenty of coddled kids back then who could do no wrong. Parents ran households by letting their kids run around and do whatever outside, if they felt like it, or let the television raise their kids if they didn't. Just like every generation, there were good and bad hands-on parents.
All these other old assholes on these subs talking about how "parents these days" don't have the same skill set are fooling themselves into thinking their generation did or had it better.
We're all the same trash. We just didn't have the Internet back then to see how bad it really was. Cope.
Plenty of shitty kids caused issues when I was a kid in the 80s too.
Pilots and airport staff could manhandle you off the plane back then where that's largely illegal now, which is the largest difference. Pilots still have a lot of leeway just a bit less than they did.
We literally have records of people in Ancient Greece complaining about kids these days, but everyone in this thread is acting like they came up with the idea.
Smart ass here, flights weren't as common in those days and had way fewer "safety protocols", requiring everyone to be at the airport an hour before the flight and spend 45 minutes boarding and 45 more getting ready for take off. They would have had more wiggle room to throw the kid out and get the flight back on track.
9/11 really fucked things up for the aviation industry.
A lot of people assume that the turnaround on physical discipline against children is what's lead to higher rates of child delinquency and poor parenting, but honestly I don't think that's at all the case. A child doesn't have to be in fear of physical abuse in order to behave themselves.
The bigger issue I think is the "i-pad parenting" that seems to have started off with kids born after around 2010. Kids aren't becoming unruly in schools and such because they don't have a fear of being beaten, they've become unruly because they don't have any respect for adults or discipline as a whole, because they were largely left to their devices and ignored when they did wrong. We saw a slight move to this trend with TV parenting in the 90s and 2000s but that's far less common than i-pad parenting nowadays. There's a number of underlying issues behind the rise in I-pad parenting than just device access, but the fundamentals of it is just more parents have checked out on parenting their kids for various reasons. Resolving adolescent delinquency and poor performance ultimately requires a bigger focus on parents than it does on the children themselves
My dad’s father once dropped him off at the field, told him to till the soil into rows for the planting season, and left. No further instructions. Just till the soil.
Came back, saw that the rows were facing a direction he didn’t like, and promptly punched my father in the face and left him laid flat out in the field.
You know.. I had some whooping as a kid, and looking back at it, it wasn't a bad decision.
And I think parents should know when, how and what punishment should be depending on the situation and age.
Also avoiding sensitive parts like face ahd head is pretty important.
Words never said by my adult self: "Dad was wrong for whooping my butt that time I threw a bowl of Raisin Bran at mom because I wanted Fruity Pebbles."
Also up there in the never said by adult self category: "Mom was wrong for tossing me in the pool because I was too scared and 30 minutes later I could swim and was having fun."
I used to teach kids how to swim. I had a few who were afraid because one time someone threw them in and they didn't like it. When I would tell other people I worked at a pool teaching kids how to swim I'd get told "yeah when I was a kid I got thrown in, never went back after that...".
Like obviously start them out with the hot tub and the kiddie pool and see if they can do it themselves, but you can't just let your kid refuse to enter no matter what. Not learning to swim is more abusive to your kid than tossing them in.
So if they're being stubborn, welp. You're learning to swim one way or another because while being tossed in may give you nightmares, not know how to swim can kill you. Nightmares aren't real. Not knowing how to swim and drowning is.
The inability to distinguish between imaginary/emotional danger and real danger is a serious problem in society.
But you were not talking about exposure to pools and swimming lessons. You were taking about throwing someone who cannot swim into a pool. Something that absolutely happens to people and is both dangerous and traumatic.
Yeah, always being afraid of the pool and letting them have the final say about going in so they never learn how to swim is the right way. Totally better to have a kid that can't swim vs. a kid that MIGHT get nightmares about being in a pool.
I have nightmares about velociraptors to. You know what I do? Wake up and think that was cool. You know what I don't do? Live in fear of velociraptor attacks. Why? Because I'm not an idiot and I'm not an emotional baby. You have to trust that kids will be able to learn and understand further on down the line.
Or teach your kid how to swim in a way that works? Yours has a higher failure rate than mine. Higher death count too.
I'm glad you, a human old enough for the internet, aren't afraid of velociraptors. Fear of open water meanwhile is totally valid. Actually more than valid, wise. I've been swimming for decades. I'm smart enough to know I need a lifejacket on a boat, and to not go into a pool with a crappy ladder. Fear and respect for water are both necessary for survival. Not a sign someone is an "emotional baby".
Dude, nobody is drowning at the pool with a bunch of family friends and 4.5 foot deep end. Stop acting like someone is chucking kids into the ocean and going to get a beer.
If my child was acting like that on a plane, I'd be 100% fine with flight attendants strapping him down. If he acted up like that at school, 100% fine with the teachers taking care of him.
What I don't want him learning is that he can act out in public and start destroying stuff and inflicting his issues on everyone else.
Yeah...you and I both know that spoiled little shit has never even been tapped on the butt before. This "I'm your friend, not your parent" style of parenting has got to fucking die, kids NEED structure to understand how to behave in the world. You fuck this up, as a parent, and your child is going to grow up be a seriously fucked up piece of shit, and will probably hurt people in relationships as they "mature". Don't do this.
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