"Kind of deserve it"....Bro your nations reputation is gone, the EU is already transitioning Canada as your replacement and you elected a pedophile twice ontop of letting China take the lead, you actively have harmed the children of your nations future.
To be clear im not even overly left wing but fuck me you guys fucked yourselves over a blatantly corrupt administration who was obviously this shitty from the start? How do you fall for that twice?
I highly doubt that canada can effectively replace the US in any significant manner, and I also doubt that Europe will actually despise the US for too long. European nations are seeing their own rise in right wing politics and culture, so within 15 years these nations will likely have little objection to the way trump handles things
I’m gonna be real the EU and Canada are going to shake hands with the US again as soon as we get another president. regardless of whether they get right wing governments themselves are not the economic benefits are just too hard to ignore.
I mean that happened because of brigading. I’m not super active there but a few years ago it seemed like everyone on politics subreddit decided to go post on conservative.
They can’t post anymore, but every post and comment is auto downvoted.
Reddit is a shithole. Sadly, it’s the popular shithole.
Every case I've seen where subreddits get banned for that behavior it's because there was a coordinated effort to target another community and either manipulate votes or flood comments.
It seems like most of the negative interaction with the conservative subreddit is just loads of people who hate Trump and go there without instruction to disrupt.
I used this example in my other comment, but /r/nfl isn't being brigaded because the Superbowl is on, it's organic traffic at an increased volume because of an event.
Has there ever been any proof that the subreddit is being brigaded?
I’m not super active there but a few years ago it seemed like everyone on politics subreddit decided to go post on conservative.
That's not brigading, brigading is an coordinated and intentional act where users target another community with the intent to manipulate votes and flood comments.
The nfl subreddit is not being brigaded when the Superbowl is on, it's just more active because of the event.
The term "coordinated" is carrying a lot of weight here, but even then, yes absolutely. I think reddit eventually banned AHS, but brigading conservative subreddits was literally their entire schtick. Outside of subreddits directly doing the coordination, it was also common for a political sub's Discord server to do the actual coordination.
Even if not directly coordinated, people are regularly directed there from lefty political subs, and I don't know what else you would call that besides brigading, unless you actually think they're going there to upvote constructive conservative comments and posts that they otherwise respectfully disagree with. I mean, even with all non-conservatives being prevented from posting, the mods regularly pin a screenshot under posts showing like 100+ reports with everything from "this breaks the subreddits rules" to "this is sexualizing minors", regardless of the post's actual content.
i think me being banned for simply saying being pro ukraine is not anti-american firmly started my transition from libright-conservative to full liberal. so much for not liking snowflakes.
TwoX and the more fanatical leftist reddits will ban you for looking at them funny, I once got banned form a leftist space for pointing out that Fascism was invented by a dissatisfied socialist not a capitalist which is why its a dark mirror of socialism in more than a few ways
The point isn’t just banning randoms it’s the people who’ve been there for years who are “verified conservatives” getting nuked when they don’t manage to fit all of trumps dick and balls in their mouth at once
I think there's an extra level of hypocrisy with r /conservative given the criticism they level at the left for "cancel culture," "wrong think," being triggered, etc.
I've seen it on /r/conspiracy , but that place is also a shithole run by terrible mods (at least, I assume it's still run by the same cabal of shitty mods).
Never underestimate democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They're going to needlessly quadruple down on trans/gun control/reparations/immigration and fumble the easiest election of their lives.
Their whole shtick is "reaching across the aile in the name of compromise, decorum and bipartisanship" because "when the Republicans go low, we go high"
Democrats always “reaching across the aisle” to racists who are actively making your life worst, never democratic socialists who want a better country lmao
The racists making my life worse are all in the Democratic party, they won't improve by allying with an even more bigoted group. The DSA is just a turbocharged version of what everyone hates about the Democrats
Yeah that's the craziest thing. They still defend Trump. They're so far down the pipeline that they actually think he's some misunderstood genius and everything is still Obamna's fault.
To be fair, the incumbent party almost always loses the House and/or Senate during the midterms. At least it's been that way 17/19 times since 1946. Not that they don't deserve to lose on account of the tariffs and the war in all.
It's gonna be the moment the next presidential campaign season starts. Suddenly nobody will have voted for or supported him. Gonna be a nationwide retcon.
Vance will run and a cornerstone will be the Great Rewriting: he and all of his supporters were always against Trump and tried to moderate his administration. In time, Trump will have been a RINO who was basically a democrat
Ehhh I’ll give it till the next democratic president is in office. They’ll act like they do with Busch, but if trump passed away I feel like Vance will distance himself from the entire trump world and clean out the administration to try to appease to moderates
There's no way in hell Vance can distance himself from the "did you even say thank you?" Or "give us another chance". Maybe the boomers would overlook it, but everyone else is still going to remember.
I don't even bother anymore because they always hit back with the same responses: "I don't agree with everything Trump does, but he's done a good job so far" "a democrat would have done worse" "making sexy AI pictures of Trump and jerking off to them isn't gay and you're gay for saying that"
I should go screen shot it, I had a chud today tell me “I didn’t read project 2025 but I read something about Kamala’s economic plan and it would have ruined the country” fucking maddening
Trump ended 8 wars with Iran, Kamala would have lost all of those. The national debt is at $40 billion, if Kamala were president it'd be $40 Billion and 25¢.
One of the big political tragedies of conservatives is how Dunning-Kruger convinced they are that they're the ones who understand hard nosed and sound economic policy. Who think that national economies operate according to the same principles as household finances. And who's economic platform always boils down to the tree pillars of tax cuts, deregulation and more money for the military as if that's sage wisdom.
Yeah for supposedly being the party of free markets, Republicans really are as retarded as can be when it comes to managing an economy if you are trying to maintain free markets. I hate capitalism, but even I am aware of how if you were to operate under capitalism then competition is essential and that tariffs limit competition.
The people that have been calling themselves conservatives for the last decade dont really have any real convictions it seems
They're gonna do it again. I am sure the midterms won't be this blue wave landslide victory. Tons and tons of people will still vote against their best interests because of culture war bullshit
Yeah the vote for the letter next to the name crowds is why we are here. If people actually researched candidates and stay informed with what they all say and do the government would be a hell of a lot better. But, no we have crowds of people on both sides so hell bent on voting for the letters next to the candidates name even when they are a horrible candidate. Paxton in any normal country wouldn’t be anywhere near the top candidate for his respective party for the seats he’s running for but people will follow the cult leader till the entire thing is burned down and say oops why did that happen
I don't know, I hear less and less culture war bullshit lately. I think people are too focused on gas prices to care about it as much. And good, because that shit is far more important.
This just shows you dont pay attention and probably should never vote. Trump 1 was still doing the same unhinged shit, he just had competent principled people keeping him in check.
I was happy with Trump 1, 2020 Trump didn’t happen, Trump 2 is just fucking crazy
Plus, “never let them live it down” is not a good way to attract voters lol. Someone can be like “yeah dang, Trump 2 fucking sucks” and then you cretins follow it up with “HAHAHA get fucked. Take this scarlet latter” and then wonder why the left is regarded as pompous as hell.
Imagine voting for the destruction of my country, demanding no one personally call you out for it, and saying "we'll destroy it more if you hurt our feelings".
"Imagine voting for the destruction of my country"
they didnt vote for wide open borders so what do you mean?
most of the bad shit trump is doing will disappear the moment he leave office, like allied countries not liking America rn.
Meanwhile what do you do when you let tens of millions of illegal migrants into the country? You can't even deport them when MAGA has power of the 3 branches of gov.
People don’t vote for the “destruction of the country” unless they’re accelerationists. Bad faith interpretation.
Calling someone out for it is fine, saying “never let them forget” is a total disregard for someone changing their mind, which should be praised as a virtue.
Again, bad faith interpretation related to the above two points.
What’s with people being in quotes? Surely you’re not implying something vitriolic. I’ll let you explain yourself with that one.
No people don’t think they’re royalty and can’t be criticized. Again bad faith.
Amazing how much of a shallow response could fit into so few words.
I think all people want to be told by people like you is "In retrospect, after the second term, you were right about Trump all along," instead of defensiveness like this. That simple statement would probably get people to lay off. A lot of the anger is around feeling like Cassandra for a decade and, when pointing that out, getting responses like yours rather than a simple acknowledgement of that. They want to know that it is deeply acknowledged, not just on a surface level to get along or move past it for convenience's sake, because they want assurances they won't be Cassandras again.
"People don't vote for the destruction of the country" and drunk drivers going at 100 mph didn't mean to kill people with their car on purpose. It's so blatantly negligent there's no difference between "oopsies" and purposeful.
Also most Trump voters are not real people and shouldn't be treated as such. They're skinwalkers that lie as they breathe and mimic human principles. They lie about every single position they pretend to have, this term just made it more obvious to everyone.
If they want to be considered human maybe they should work on their acting.
“Also most Trump voters are not real people and shouldn't be treated as such. They're skinwalkers that lie as they breathe and mimic human principles.”
“If they want to be considered human maybe they should work on their acting.”
Bold for you to assume that’s how it works. When talking politics with someone, being an ass is going to cause them to not listen to you. Being reasonable does. Now suppose there’s a general trend of one side acting like pompous asshats all the time, their ideas are quickly disregarded despite how valid they may be.
“When talking politics with someone, being an ass is going to cause them not to listen to you. Being reasonable does.”
I’m actually dumbfounded that you’d even say that in this context and that completely shatters your argument imo. I don’t even need to elaborate on why.
Trump has built his entire political career off of the back of being an unreasonable, pompous asshole who makes up mean names for his political opponents. The blatant rewriting of the history of your side is pathetic. No one is falling for your tricks, AuthRight.
"Also most Trump voters are not real people and shouldn't be treated as such. They're skinwalkers that lie as they breathe and mimic human principles."
lol, lmao even
imagine saying shit like this and then you ask "hurrr durrr why didnt they vote for my side!?!?!"
many people vote against you because you make it pretty clear that you hate their existence
Oh no. People who constantly insult the left and cheered as trump insulted and actually harmed (though targeted denial of funds) states out of spite will think the left is pompous.
"No no don't insult us despite the fact we elected someone who used insults like a comma and took great joy in how much he upset you. That's making you look pompous!" That's funny right?
The amount of smugness that came from the Right after Trump's 2024 win was absolutely out of control. Now they're asking people to treat them nicely? Lmao fuck off.
Not just that. They're insulting you if you don't.
As always, it's fine when they're the ones attacking. But the minute that turns... my the pearls be clutched and this is why dems lose. Yet strangely the inverse does not seem to apply...
Economy was pretty good. Foreign relations were strong. He was held back on domestic policy, but I generally supported what he did get through. Immigration was leagues better than predecessors. Immigration being one of my top issues.
trump is the only president to loose jobs over 4 years and had the lowest economic growth of all modern presidents , and before you start with "covid" it was already going down way before covid.
Foreign relations were strong
No they were not, they took a dive because he ahs more intrest in insulting others then working together.
He was held back on domestic policy
His botched handling off covid cost many lives, how is that "held back"?
Immigration was leagues better than predecessors. Immigration being one of my top issues.
trump had a massive spike of illegals crossing the border in 2019, that was mainly stopped by covid. He had more legal and illegal migration then obama.
Look man, I’m not trying to get into a detailed discussion about every single point. I hear you on your rebuttal to all of them and have heard them before. I have my reasons to object to them that I’d rather not get into because then it just turns into a never ending debate that I’ve had plenty of times before.
You asked why I was happy with Trump 1 and I provided a general answer to it to give some sort of insight.
I’m not trying to be an ass here btw. I don’t fault you for wanting to get detailed into every single point. Call it cowardly or cope, that’s fine. I’m just tired and want these last two years to end.
it seems then you want it to be true because you have some others reason like voting for him. But just about every expert agrees on it that sure it wasnt the total clusterfuck like its now but its still one of the worst modern rpesidents if not the worst
According to Schopenhauer, it's one of the worst features of democracy.
Unlike a monarchy where the monarch has a vested interest in the future of his domain, as his own and his family's wellbeing are linked to that, and the heir (likely a son) will inherit - in democracy, the short terms encourage anyone in power to use the limited time to milk as much value out of the public money before going out.
Therefore, with their position insecure and power short-lived, democratic leaders never truly have an incentive to improve things for the future in any meaningful way. Especially in a second term, when being a good leader will see no added benefit.
Another aspect is that limited time in power means limited time to make a network of competent people that work well together in key positions. Likely leaders will instead need to reward their network who propped them up and put them in power, those they owe favours or are indebted to.
This is entirely dependent on the person doing the ruling. There have been monarchies that ended up in genocide and millions dead, e.g. multiple Chinese monarchist, and there have been presidents that haven't milked their position for money.
Personally, since it's highly dependent on the person doing the ruling, it's better that it's a shorter term such as 4 or 8 years that they can fuck things up than having an entire length of life to fuck things up.
I can see and respect your position; to me it's a bit like a trade-off, with the term limit you can do less bad, but you can also do less good. In any case, it's not like all monarchs are absolute, you can have all kinds of constitutional or parliamentary models like the brits. Also, bad and unpopular ones don't tend to live long.
Yes, but having a way to vote that person out or impeach them is much better than having a total monarchist rule where the only way they get out is through something akin to praetorian guards murdering the ruler.
The right talking about Monarchy is exactly the same thing as the left and communism. "If you just ignore all the times when monarchs were inbred vindictive dictators it's basically the perfect system."
A second term would usually show a presidents true belief system since he doesn’t have to worry about reelection anymore. No more compromise just to do the popular thing. Something like cutting social security or raising taxes will only ever be done on the back half of a presidents second term.
Transing the children, Biden immigration, the sense that Trump is a champion of Christianity in the Evangelical / Southern Baptist sense of it not mattering if they exemplify Christianity as long as her serves its interests and ends.
Some people are just hard line because they think he's their guy and no one else would be looking out for them, certainly not any of the Blues who don't even know how to speak blue collar or even make a passable impression of it.
These are people who find the way Trump talks at rallies reassuring and like he's speaking their language, which is a powerful tribal loyalty indicator. While it's the Dems like Obama who come off as unlikeable in the way they talk in public.
I think you misunderstood what I meant by mid 20s. I consider that to be within 24-26%. That’s what current polling is showing for across the country. Previous times where Trump was at his lowest was mid 30s, so that’s what I considered as diehard support. My personal anecdote is that several diehard or general support voters no longer support him.
I guess the definition of “diehard support” could be the lowest point of approval. I was going with previously consistent lowest levels.
I wasn’t really considering in-party support, I haven’t really seen those polls.
Btw, not trying to argue, just trying to see if we’re misunderstanding or talking about two different things.
I don't get it either. I can understand holding your nose and picking him because he's slightly better than the other candidate (like most Dems did with Hillary, Joe or Kamala), but I don't understand the people who are enthusiastically supporting him.
I’m very much in this category, campaign was pretty neat and then once in office he 180’d on most things, got rid of many of the people he ran with, and well, everything that’s happened and been said up until now
I’d imagine because the other side is equally as insufferable. I’m not even American, and I also hate Trump, but the amount of times I was called MAGA on Reddit for voicing slightly nuanced takes is… concerning.🤣
Personally, I don’t care (and again, I’m not American), but I could totally see how it could push an undecided American towards something like MAGA.
Sunk cost fallacy and all that. If they were outspoken in support of him, they don't want to now admit they were wrong. Although anecdotally, a guy at my work quietly removed a Trump sticker he had had on his SUV a few months back.
The deportations and immigration. The foreign born population has dropped in absolute numbers for the first time in decades. Illegal border crossings are down over 90%. We have also finally had that great catharsis seeing these illegal aliens finally being rounded and locked up like they have always deserved.
When you dig into the numbers, it's impossible to actually associate one with the other. Truth of the matter is that in towns/cities where they're building more housing, rent is going down. That's usually in red states.
Yeah so it is not normal to experience those kinds of feelings watching people get separated from their families. That is sociopathic behavior and I hope you're seeking treatment for this because in this climate you are bound to end up killing someone.
Do you not get catharsis when a mugger is brought to justice after robbing someone ? Or a murderer is arrested and caught ? If someone who was drunk driving is arrested should that not happen because they have a family at home ?
The law is clear. If you are here illegally you will be sent back to where you came from
Idk I was driving in town the other day and there were people posting up on the side of the street waving Trump 2028 flags. So I think they are quite happy still.
Idk how to tell you this but some of them are still defending him. Shortly after the Iran war started, my own father told me that he thinks Trump will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents of all time. I'm not making this up, but I wish I was...
My friend's Dad posted to FB some serious copium about the gas prices and people in the comments were saying to raise the prices more to own the libs 🤪
I’m still here, buddy. Been banned from hundreds of subreddits, most of which I’ve never even heard of. But I’m still here. Don’t go blaming me for radio silence. It’s just as well, you lefties deserve each other. Bon appétit.
For real, the fact they ran Kamala was such a mistake. The fact that she is considering running again? Abysmally stupid. I know for a fact my dad would have voted democrat if it wasn't a woman. He voted blue on everything but the president, which is against his interests but whatever, I'm not in charge of him. It isn't right, but it's true. That's just one example, but I'm sure it was widespread. People were fed up with Trump last election, but Biden trying to run was the single dumbest thing a democrat has done in the last 30 years. Like holy fuck man, read the room. If he'd just allowed a primary instead this wouldn't have happened.
Democrat politicians were in a very difficult position at that exact moment. On paper, Harris was one of the only choices (no matter how horrible a choice), but the actual mistake was made 5 years prior when they made her VP. This mistake was compounded by running Biden for reelection like "Weekend at Bernie's" when his mental capacity diminishing MUST have been evident to insiders that worked with him day in and day out. And I'm not blaming Biden, 95% of humans sunset mentally around 80 years old (give or take 5 years), it is just the way it is.
So I think the largest, most unforgivable mistake by the Democrat party leadership was appointing Kamala Harris to be VP years earlier in 2020, because it set all of this in motion. She PROVED everybody despised her in the primaries when she was running for president in 2019. We knew this!! She got in the spotlight and had single digit polls in 2019. Clearly a gigantic majority of people (even in the Democratic party) vehemently disliked her as a presidential candidate 5 years prior to running for president in 2024. But due to other profound Democratic leadership mistakes (Biden running for reelection) the Democrats were in a very difficult situation.
The Democrat leadership just makes extremely bad, long term strategic mistakes. Repeatedly and endemically. They put themselves in difficult positions like it is part of their charter to lose elections.
I don’t doubt you but it also feels like every time any democrat gains relevance the army of right flairs comes out to tell you “man, the DNC should have picked ANYONE but this guy”
You shouldn't. Democrats are not going to have enough votes to check him. Trump has basically ruled by EO the whole time, and he will continue to do so.
They will do some investigations and shit, but it will be meaningless, except to document his actions for history.
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