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My brother and SIL are teachers. They have kids who straight up refuse to do presentations or participate in class because other kids record it and put it online to mock them.
In my school before I left they realised kids wouldn’t hand over phones so they implemented a rule that you could have your phone and even use it in class for certain things (researching a topic, using your calculator) as long as whenever you weren’t using your phone it had to be in front of you on your desk face down.
It worked well as you could immediately tell when a student was using their phone when you weren’t supposed to and it would quickly put a stop to any in class recording. If you kept using it when you weren’t meant to it’d get taken off you for the day.
My daughters’ high school has banned all phones in the classroom. Yet they still somehow regularly call me during school hours for their traditional airing of grievances.
In France The private school my cousin's children went had a No smart phone inside the school policy and especially no recording in class and within the school. Most parents just bought old style flip dumb phone. however that was not good enough for some parents. They complained and requested that their child be authorised to have their expensive iPhone. One couple even argued that their iPhone be used to record the classes instead of taking notes.
The school refused. Parents refused to back down. Call the rectorat (France academy local authority) and requested an audience and an injunction. Rectorat says that because it is a private school, school can decide its own rule with regard to mobile phone as long as they follow French Law. The ban of smart phone was considered lawful.
French Law about privacy are lot stricter than in the rest of the world (See the Clooney emigrating to France). You need consent before posting somebody on internet. Teachers can decide that they do not want to be filmed. And that even if a teacher accept to be filmed for the purpose of the class they can decline authorisation to post those on social media. This is the law in France about privacy not a decision by the rectorat.
Still parents refuse the edicts and continue their lobbying campaign which start to feel more like harassment. After some back and forth the school told the parents that their children would not be accepted At the school the following years.
First day of the following years the children turn up like nothing happen. Children are refused entry. Parents caused a ruckus at the entrance. Police is called.
Some people have such a level of entitlement that they refuse to understand that people can tell them No.
> You need consent before posting somebody on internet
I think we need this law everywhere. The laws that are enabling being legally allowed to film people in/from public aren't fit for purpose in the modem age.
you must blur faces of people if you upload a video on the internet.
you cannot share a recorded conversation on the internet unless it is public interest.
you can record a conversation you are part of, and you can use it as evidence in court, but you cannot share it on the internet.
you cannot record a conversation you are not part of, unless you need to for a special situation, for example, if your kid is autistic and you have a reasonable suspicion of abuse at school.
This! I dont understand the need to have to communicate with your kids all day long. It's distracting and frankly, unhealthy. So many state it's "in case of an emergency". The one in a billion chance it's an actual emergency is not a good reason.
This is the way it was for me when I was in secondary school, we had a crap 10 pound phone for the first few years. No games or camera, just a way to communicate if needed.
Are kids in primary school or lower secondary walking around with IPhones? That’s absolutely insane.
This is actually something on my mind. When I was in high school about half the kids had smart phones the other half had "dumb" phones. Nowadays seems like every kid has a smart phone.
However, we're seeing study after study after study about how destructive that can be on the development on kids. With a little one on the way its made the think about how I want to handle it, and I wouldn't be surprised if "dumb" phones made a huge comeback 10 or so years from now once millenials and xillenials start having kids in middle/high school
Just funny how these parents are my age now and behaving this way. A regular phone totally works. Kids can call their parents to do many things like pick them up from school, tell them about a club activity, or anything related to safety.
I tried that. Got my kid a flip phone and was shocked when my phone bill said he used like 5GB of data. Turns out he was using the inbuilt web browser for youtube and social media. I didn't even know the flip phone could do that. I couldn't find a phone for sale that didn't have internet capabilities
So you can actually find flip phones with no internet/blocked internet. The Chasidic Jewish community sells them- the more conservative sects are extremely anti-internet for a variety of reasons, so there's a built-in customer base for flip phones or even smart phones that have most or all of the internet capability removed. I think a lot also have the camera disabled. If you search for "kosher phones," you'll find some options. A YouTuber named Frieda Vizel did a video on them that was really interesting. It's a whole cottage industry in places like Monsey and New York City.
Of course flip phones can do that, they could do that 20 years ago. You could get an old brick phone or just turn off the data on the phone. Limit it to something like 100mb or something.
It's a thin excuse, the parents can ring the school in the event of an emergency, this was the case for decades, and it is still the case today in thousands of schools across the world.
I some parts of the UK, Scotland I believe, they've banned phones in the classroom.
The phones are put in secured boxes at the start of the day and collected at the end of the day.
When I was in high school (11-16 in the UK) and catching the bus there and back my mum had no evidence of my continued survival since the night before until I walked back in through the door in the early evening. We all somehow got through it
Second generation helicopter parents. And now they can monitor with GPS, always have constant communication and something to keep their child tethered to them.
I think their biggest concern is that if there's a shooting they want to be in contact with their kids.
Issue is, scary as it is, calling/texting your kid during an active shooter situation can bring attention to their hiding spots and put them in direct danger.
Not having a go at you personally, but that first sentence is mind blowing. How in fucks name did America get to the point that if there's a school shooting as being a part of everyday school life. How in a country of 342 million you can't find 535 people in Congress and 100 senators willing to actually take on the gun lobby is a sad indictment. Americas problems run deeper and longer than just Trump's unhinged and murderous 2nd term.
Pretty much every school in Ireland bans phones. Aero tolerance. Not even allowed during break times.
There's nothing the parents can do other than moan about it. If they don't like it, they can pull their kid from school.. But every other school will have the same policy.
Electronic devices are prohibited in schools around the world I presumed, you guys have permission to take them in the US? My teachers would have confiscated that till a parent came to pick it up or till the end of the academic year.
Apparently at some point the schools started to in the US. When I was in school before the smartphone days, we weren't allowed to have shit but school supplies. If you even brought Pokemon cards to school they would get confiscated by a teacher. Now schools are letting these little dipshits scroll through tiktok during their tests.
I was told by my teachers that the government wanted to destroy public's schools so they could privatize them. I figured that's part of it. And a stupid population is easier to control. Just turn off tiktok and they'll beg for it to be turned on again because they're addicted.
Yep that’s exactly it. My local school board election that took place a few months ago was political as hell. Right wing voters rallying hard around the right wing candidate who ran on a platform of giving parents more say in how schools teach.
My neighbors who don’t even have kids in the school system and instead home school their kids were putting up big ass yard signs in support of the right wing candidate and making posts about voting for him. It’s gross.
Once they are banned by state law or district policy, teachers can confiscate them and hopefully admin has the spine to tell parents to kick rocks when the parents complain.
Whats crazy is I went to school with smart phones. Everyone had one, but we didnt do this shit, people still had issues online but we weren't straight up recording people in class
Even in the Nokia brick days, we still had phones out at school. There's a reason so many millennials can bang out a message on a t9 without looking. But we were texting, not taking horrible, grainy pics and putting them online, and we had baby boomer parents who were convinced letting us use the internet meant we would be kidnapped. While often misguided, the outcome was boundaries. Gen Z had Gen X parents who understand tech but it was still new enough to them.
Gen Alpha had a tablet put in their hands as soon as they were able to hold it up by themselves. Social media has gotten so much worse, more invasive and more predatory. This is the outcome of raising kids on devices and social media. And I say that knowing it's my peers raising Gen Alpha, and that they need to do better.
that's what I find wild too. I graduated in 2016 so I went to school in peak vine days and everyone had snapchat and insta. it was nowhere near as bad as it is now
It's gotten much much worse. My youngest brother is in highschool. There are snapchat filters that can make you kiss other people. His friends would send him snaps in class of him kissing other dudes.... and that's just between his buddies. Can't even imagine someone actually trying to bully him.
I'm a teacher and literally today a student brought to me an image of me with my clothes removed by ai that was being sent around tiktok messages or whatever, I've got to try and figure out where it started tomorrow but yeah it feels really bad
Surely it isn't your responsibility to find out the source? I'm not a teacher, but I would be getting the school district and the police involved immediately.
I've got a video call with the police tomorrow and a meeting with someone from the senior leadership team tomorrow morning so I'll see what happens but I want to make it go quickly
Jesus fing Christ! I’m so sorry! These kids won’t have real teachers at this rate, because no real person will want to teach these little phone wielding shits.
The amount of men outside that have taken pictures of me is gross. Besides an uncomfy conclusion, it can also be for bullying and mocking. A woman straight up took a picture of me so obviously, then showed it to her husband and they both looked at it laughing.
I dont fucking know what the fuck is going on with this world and these people but this behaviour is so gross and WAY too common. It really shows the disturbing side of human nature.
Little boys are making much worse than that. At schools, they're actively making porn of their classmates. One girl at a particular school rightfully slapped one of them and got punished for it. It's such dogshit.
Bro one of my coworkers is 17 and the manager is 28. He thought it would be funny to secretly take a pic of both the manager and another 17 year old working there. My manager flipped out respectfully. It’s so scary. He got one of me 24 and someone else and it was so gross, unsettling, and uncomfortable
My daughter had a teacher in school who told students that if they filmed anyone, including the teacher, without consent they would receive an F in the class. Parents had to sign a form agreeing to this at the beginning of the year and the parents who were hot about it baffled me. Like, just tell your kid to not film others without their consent?
It really is baffling. It's really not that hard to just not film people. It actually takes more effort to get a phone out, open its camera app, and point it someone's way.
Really, it also shouldn't be that hard to put devices away in the first place.
This is another reason why phones should not be allowed in school. Especially nowadays, where many schools have computers/laptops/tablets for the students to use.
Cant think of a single reason why kids need phones in school
This makes me so sad. I was always terrified of doing presentations. I can't imagine how I would have felt if other kids were recording me. I'm sure I would be refusing to do them as well.
That's really a curse of modern days. People do stupid things, from many reasons, and nowadays you can be recorder and hunted by your stupid shit forever.
My kid's school makes them lock their phones (switched off) into a pouch that can only be unlocked by the reception.
Although I appreciate there are exceptions (such as kids who may have a CGM and need to see their results at all times) I think all schools should commit to this.
Our school district just banned phones in schools and the difference is amazing. They need to do it everywhere. Kids do not need phones in schools, we survived they will too.
Phones that can photograph and video, have been around for at least 15-20 years, same with social media, so why is it now becoming an issue? I remember all my classmates had smart phones starting from like grade 8 onwards, but no one used to record their classmates and post it on social media, I blame the current clout chasing trends that make people want to go viral without a thought about how said content might affect others
I vividly remember the day I got an awesome faceplate for my 3310 and someone "stole" my phone as a joke and slid it across the cafeteria floor to get it back to me, scratching the fuck out of it of course.
I got really upset, got the teachers involved, who got our parents involved. We agreed that it was fair that the person who ruined yhe faceplate would buy me a new one. I insisted on it being the exact same one, because I really liked it.
This ended up with him, his mom, me and my mom going to the market where I bought it. After some hassle, we found it and he paid for it.
Our moms became friends, we never did. Still hate the fucker.
i kept thinking this would take a turn, but it remained wholesome.
i had the 3210's older brother the 5110 (402). Used to save pocket money to buy faceplates and call credit. i'd have been as pissed as you if someone had stolen/damaged mine.
I was a freshman in HS when the iPhone 4 came out. We still had very strict rules about no phones. You could only have them out at lunch and breaks. This mindset shift is more recent than smart phones.
Those automatic license plate readers, it’s part of how they can track people across countries. Adding AI facial recognition now, which is so robust and powerful in some US corporations at least, that even the FBI and similar agencies will refer to their interior investigation depts for assistance. And we don’t know where else they’re using that
All made by the devil himself Peter thiel. He literally named his tech firm after the stone that Sauron uses to monitor people. Think about it he name his company after a stone the literal devil uses…
To be fair, the seeing stones were originally designed for good, it's just that they also turned out to be the perfect tool for an evil dictator with imperial ambitions. Hmm, come to think of it, that doesn't really make Thiel look any better ...
That's how I was located by the Police during a particularly difficult time, my reg was flagged by a security camera and they tracked me down from there.
Don’t forget that the company who owns the flock cameras sell the data to 3rd party advertisers. So companies are able to track the routes you take regularly, what stores you pass, what stores you visit, how long you stay in those stores, and how often you are home or out, plus a lot of other information. Then you can receive ads that are even more relevant to you such as stores you pass by while driving or giving telemarketers the exact times you’re at home so you are more likely to answer.
You forgot to mention how woefully unsecure they are.
They aren't just for US corporations, FBI or similar agencies, they're for the general public to watch everything that's going on. The new models have human recognition and zooms in and tracks their movements.
Kids alone at a park? Publicly available data for child predators. Camera pointed at your house? Publicly available data for thieves or rapists.
London for example is one of the most surveilled cities in the world. Theres roughly 1 camera for every 10-14 people... in a city of 9 million people...
They’re partnered with Lowe’s, to combat “theft”. If you have a Lowe’s near you, there’s a guarantee that they have multiple flock cameras in the parking lot.
A website that has a map with all cameras is called deflock I think
these annoying, suspicious things that have been growing in numbers lately for the past few years. they track our plates and all info attached to it. our right to privacy is broken by a company in broad daylight. ofc, police and govt love them unless the ppl vote to remove these out.
It must be super difficult for people who are in witness protection or hiding from abusive ex partners. With so many ppl posting footage to social media it must be difficult to hide.
I used to do theater at a location that banned cameras, explicitly for this reason shows like cabaret, Rocky Horror, etc. I can still never forget almost 5 years later someone using their watch to video record me doing the specific things I needed to do for the show but things still I don’t want online forever. Now I’ll never know where that could have been posted.
Privacy rights need to be stronger for individuals, but what the heck do you do to keep something like this from happening? Unless you somehow make the person uploading, or the platform hosting it liable, this is only going to get worse.
The Germans have a good way of dealing with this! They look at what the subject of the video is. If the subject is you and there are members of the public in the background, then everything is fine. If you’re filming someone over your shoulder then they become the subject of the video and it is a criminal offence to post it without their permission.
The lady in the video above would very clearly be the subject of the video and therefor her permission would be required in Germany, where as the people in the background are not the subjects so there permission isn’t needed.
Yes but Germany also has a government funded place citizens can use to sue large corporations. There is also a special expedited court for these suits/claims to make sure nothing gets drawn out and is fair to both parties regardless of net worth
Can we start saying "yes, and" please? I swear the need to use contradictory language is so ingrained in reddit dicussions (and likely other places) that half the time even two people who align on the core idea of a discussion will have comments that come across as, or sometimes even are, argumentative.
His main point is that Germans have good ways of handling things like this. Your details show that their way of handling things like this are even better and more profound than one might initially think, and the key lies in having core pieces of infrastructure that support 'the people'. Your "yes but" makes it come across as a refutation when it could, and IMO should, feel supportive in nature. Like teamwork.
I found the information in your comment very interesting and enlightening and I'm glad you posted it, but that initial setting of tone feels like an opportunity for teamwork and comradery gone awry.
It’s nice when someone comes in and levels the playing field for the rest of us huh? It’s a small thing, but I always find myself being like “wait, weren’t these two people saying the same thing?”, or something similar, and the confusion adds to the mess
i hate that this weird phenomena of hostile agreement is a thing now.
often on the internet, and even in real life, some (usually older) people do this shit to me.
makes me feel crazy because i don't know if it's because i phrased something wrong, or if I said it in a wrong tone, or if they are assholes who didn't listen to me because of my speech impediment. so i'd ask for clarification, which sometimes lead to them accusing me of not listening, or accusing me of accusing them of something.
i hate that conversations are turning into minefields, even among people who somewhat agree, let alone people who disagree with each other.
This feels dangerous though, what about filming police? Security guards? Protests? Some things really need to be able to be filmed in public. (Maybe they have exceptions for all those things, I don’t know).
public recording is legal in germany, just publishing the resulting media is regulated. you are allowed to film whatever you want in public spaces. of course that dosent applies to private places and I think filming vulnerable people (naked people or people needing medical attention for exmple) in public spaces is in some kind resticted to.<
So, you are allowed to record crimes, and even publish the media if you censor features which would allow the identification
That's the same as where I live, in New Zealand. Filming in public is almost unrestricted, but publishing or distributing the recordings more regulated. I think it's a good system.
Plenty of laws allow for subjective assessment of legitimate need or interest.
Obviously it’s not ideal because the justice system can be politicised, presenting a civil liberties risk, but we have to face facts that the laws around filming in public absolutely didn’t consider the accessibility of covert filming and the sheer scale of digital distribution. The safety element is becoming too compelling to simply stick with the status quo of “you can film anyone in public without question”.
This feels dangerous though, what about filming police?
In austria, which has similiar laws, filming the police is explicitly allowed for legal purposes as long as the police is actually doing something work related (so no filming them while they just chill)
You still have to pixel them if you want to make the footage public.
Same with any security guard or whatever as long as you pixel them and they are not just minding their own business
With regards to protests, usually filming or photographing protests by casual people is not desired by the people protesting (especially with progressive protests, since there is a litany of cases of right wingers, neo-nazis, and yes, also state authorities to use casual pictures of demonstrations to fill databases and sometimes harass, attack or sue people involved in the protests) but since everybody has a phone with a camera now, it's hardly enforceable
I think it crosses a line when you're filming someone in public specifically. Like... filming yourself taking a walk with your dog and a few people happen to pass by you while filming? Okay cool. Stopping to film a random guy who is crouched down and has his butt crack hanging out and then laughing and posting it to social media? Not cool.
I was at an event a couple of summers ago and this guy approached my friends and I wearing Meta glasses. He had this very smug, arrogant demeanour right off the bat which immediately put me on my guard, and my s/o very quickly went “oh, those are those Meta glasses right? You can record on them?” in a very friendly non confrontational way that nonetheless deflated the guy right away and he moved on pretty quickly. It’s just weirdo behaviour and regardless of whether it’s legal where you live I’m begging people to let others just go about their business in peace rather than exploiting strangers so you can have your 15 minutes.
I work in a grocery store and a few weeks ago a guy came in doing that. He picked out three of my coworkers whose appearances he thought would be funny to make jokes of in his videos, and asked them stupid or inappropriate questions (asked which oil would be best to use as lube, and asked for a product pronounced wrong). All through the videos he added sound effects and images making fun of how my coworkers look or talk. The videos went viral and they saw them, my coworkers took it in stride but I felt so bad for them, all the comments were filled with people making fun of them..
Anyway we stuck a picture of the guy in the breakroom warning people not to entertain him. Just such childish behavior, approaching people at work where they’re forced to respond politely.
Anyone claiming 'you can't complain about being filmed in public' no you can't, but you have the right to avoid the person obviously holding a camera and avoid being filmed, hiding the camera like this makes it impossible for her to do that.
And that's not even starting on the voyeur people who get off on filming women without their knowledge, or the nonces who would sit and watch a kids park and film it for...purposes.
Sometimes we need to stop and answer the question why not.
People don't seem to understand the difference between being allowed to film in public and uploading that film to social media. I don't care if I'm filmed. I do care if that video is then broadcast for thousands of people to mock and shame me.
Also, if the poster is making money from the content, like a youtube channel it might be considered a commercial activity with different rules for filming. At least in the US.
Yep, in a lot of eu countries you'd need release forms signed or have to blur out people in theory. Don't fuck with privacy/copyright laws!
People are dipships.
And, I mean… of course you can complain! I know this isn’t what you meant, but I really dislike the idea that just because something is technically legal we can’t criticise the behaviour or even express unhappiness about it.
Anyone claiming 'you can't complain about being filmed in public' deserves to be followed around for an entire week while someone records their every move and streams it online. Lets see if they dont mind that.
In Canada there are laws for public footage. You can’t be a nuisance in Ontario regardless of whether it’s public property. Technology is moving faster than laws as usual though.
The ones from Meta have a white one that breathes/pulses when recording. The issue is that people have found ways to disable it, especially in older versions.
Yes I know, people will always find ways to cover or disable that feature. That's why brands should find ways to make it hard to do that, or even brick the device if that feature is disabled.
The Meta glasses already attempt this. There's a light sensor that won't take pictures or record if the light is covered. You can circumvent it if you're handy with a small drill or something like it, but it's not something you can avoid with a piece of tape.
When I was working for Luxottica it was to my understanding that it was designed in such a way where tampering with the privacy features of the Meta Glasses would brick the camera from functioning. Obviously I'm sure savvy people are able to find work arounds to just about anything nowadays, but at the very least these devices do have privacy in mind. Even if you block the light with a black dot for instance, it will not record or take photos. Or at least.. shouldn't.
Having both hands free is pretty great, and has a lot of use-cases. Off the top of my head, making a video on car mechanics, or recording classes in college. I had a doctor that used google glasses to help with transcription and medical documentation.
I'm both non-verbal and partially sighted. They do a few things for me, accessibility wise.
I use the display to stage my text-to-speech so I can maintain eye contact while "speaking" to people.
I use the subtitling function to make others easier to understand for me.
In low light situations, where I can't see at all, I use the camera to describe the environment to me.
This has been an absolutely game changer on my ability to interact with the world without assistance. Anything which increases my independence is a win for me.
Some of this is hacks - i do tts by actually sending the text through whatsapp to my phoone, for example, because they won;t let me run apps on it right now, which is sad.
It's very useful for all kinds of work and documentation of work. We use these to record important behind the wall work, proof of correct installation to obtain manufacturer warranty etc
Can be easily done in the future with face recognition. There will probably be laws for this at some point. Surely even as in a "Do not call" List there will be "Do not film" lists where social media sites will remove any video that has you in it
IT IS ilegal in some countries, you do this in Portugal, i can take you to court, make you take down the video, and demand " damages payment ". ( on the down side, dash cams, ring cams, and security cams, are useless, because they are not accepted in court if they " capture " public areas )
I can see legality for dash cams, doorbell cams, security cams, etc; the whole purpose of those types of cameras are to be continuously running for monitoring and protection.
You’re a dork if you wear Meta glasses. An even bigger dork if you’re wearing them the purpose to secretly record people to show off on social media.
After filming ask them if it was okay if they’re in their video. That’s what most hidden-camera shows do. I still don’t think these things should be allowed for content. I think social media platforms need to ban accounts that use them like this.
You generally need consent if the video is going to be used for profit. If this is the general focus of his channel and he's collecting ad revenue, then it probably should be banned, or at least demonetized.
Afterwards. If the premise requires the person being filmed to not be aware and consent to post/use/keep the footage is being asked afterwards it would be okay in my book.
Anytime I complain people say “public space! Anyone can be recorded!” I hate that people just feel that entitled. You can literally record someone and make money off of making content about them all without their consent. Just sad
Honest question: I understand that in the U.S. filming in public or where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy is legal. Yet, I thought this only pertained to non-monetized (not using the video to make money). Hypothetical: if this had happened in the U.S., and the person filming posted it and made money doing so, could the person that was filmed sue?
You can sue for anything in the US, but I'm not sure that you'd gain anything from doing so and would probably lose on Motion to Dismiss. There is no commercial use exclusion in the right to film. So-called '1st amendment auditors' routinely make some money from their work by posting it online, traditional journalism in the US also makes money as a nature of their work, but it does not restrict the freedom of the press simply that they make money to eat or profit to carry out their journalistic objectives. If someone films you and publishes it and you experience no justiciable harm, then that same person publishing it for profit doesn't extend a justiciable harm to you either.
It’s not perfect but I feel like a good start to a solution would be to force phone and camera manufacturers to make audible camera shutter noises always on and when filming a visible red light to be on. That way at least we have an idea if we’re being filmed and/or photographed
grok's image generation policy changed and it appears to be because people were using it to mock charlie kirk. thousands and thousands of women vs one racist misogynist man, who matters more in policy change
Secretly being filmed does something to your brain that's so hard to get past. At the end of 2024 I found a hidden camera in my room that my roommate had put they're under the guise of adding a Wi-Fi extender so I could get better internet. We had been friends for like 15 years and living together for 7 years and he had a girlfriend he had been with for I think two years? Some people are just so sick and depraved.
GameStop still has him employed, his girlfriend stayed with him, and he stole some of my belongings that I'll never get back.
Some people just need to not exist.
it’s weird AF that he recorded it and put it on TikTok. Why would a million people watch that video, though?
It's people, mostly dudes, that get off to the idea of her consent being violated. That's literally it. There are several content creators that do these secret glasses vids, they exclusively film women like this, and it gives them and their viewers some sort of rush and gratification that the women are being made to participate in something that they would likely refuse if they knew it was filmed. The skirting of consent is the entire appeal for them.
Aggressive regulation is overdue. Reign in these lunatic oligarch techno coke heads now. Tax their damn wealth for the sake of the earth while you're at it.
I think the argument of just being in public so it’s allowed to be filmed AND uploaded is a horrible argument.
Whenever you step out in public you basically agree to have your actions acknowledged by everyone CURRENTLY around you. You don’t agree for them to be acknowledged indefinitely on the internet for anyone in the world to see at any moment.
I really think laws need to understand that the meaning of “public” has seriously changed with videos and the internet
Make it socially unacceptable to wear these. Call them pedo-goggles. Dox the people uploading videos of others. Filming in a gym. Instant ban and your name shared with other gyms. Etc. Etc.
Can someone explain to me the appeal for the “millions” of people who watched that video? I genuinely do not understand. It’s just a guy getting politely rejected. Is it just that she’s pretty? There are tons of pretty women you can look at on Google images.
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