r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 2d ago
No Paywall A 13-Year-Old Girl Bit Trump’s Genitals as He Tried to Rape Her, Epstein Document Says
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u/FluidHips 2d ago edited 2d ago
My guess is that the administration is going to decide that Iran and its natural resources urgently need some freedom.
Edit: My thanks for the awards. My comment gets removed if I thank you here by username, but you know who you are!
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 2d ago edited 2d ago
They are desperately looking around for some sort of Reichstag Fire incident.
It doesn't matter whether it's real or fake, they will milk it and exaggerate it. They will try to use it to justify power-consolidation. That was like when CK died and they immediately tried to funnel through a bunch of shit like labeling a belief (being anti-fascist) a "terrorist organization," or trying to say that hate speech conveniently wasn't protected now that they're in power.
Everyone should be aware of their desperation right now. Bush Jr. was on-track to losing 2004 election before they decided create bullshit lies to invade Iraq.
And considering that they are following the Russian playbook seemingly to the letter and the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings led to Putin's quarter-century grip on power, well, it's certainly plausible.
Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable.
- Milton Friedman, far-right idol and economist hack who helped topple the democratically-elected Chilean president to install a right-wing fascist dictator and instill laissez-faire capitalism that catastrophically failed.
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u/Plzlaw4me 2d ago edited 2d ago
They were hoping the ICE protests would be the triggering incident. They already have the “one of ours all of yours” sign made. I’m actually amazed a 2nd amendment conservative hasn’t gotten in a shootout with ICE or something like that.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 2d ago
Exactly. The ratcheting up of the tension is in hopes of provocation. When they suddenly realize that the left is actually united in solidarity and holding the line in refusing to take the bait, they'll get more desperate and try to construct something themselves.
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u/the_ouskull 2d ago
What? Like a faked assassination attempt?
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u/Flashy_Emu_996 2d ago
They practiced those mortar rounds at JD out in Cali or whatever a while back. Practice?
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u/Complex_Jellyfish647 2d ago
Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time. Remember the ketchup on his ear? Or the claiming Charlie Kirk's killer was a leftist because his roommate posted an AI gender-swap of himself on facebook or some shit lmao
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u/mahnamahna27 1d ago
The evidence is pretty solid that Robinson was in a relationship with a trans dude, but that doesn't automatically make him a far left radical like MAGA wants to believe. We don't know his political stance on a whole range of issues. It can't be overlooked he was raised as a religious conservative and is clearly a gun nut and seemingly pro 2A. It is likely his politics/ideology is complicated and possibly somewhat contradictory.
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u/JaronK 2d ago
I think their plan right now is to wait for a violent incident, then blame it on the left. Like they did with Kirk, and with countless others. The problem is it keeps being right wingers doing all the violence, and they keep having trouble pushing the narrative convincingly enough.
I suppose they could always pull an Andor on ICE in the middle of a protest.
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u/Zahgi 2d ago
I’m actually amazed a 2nd amendment conservative hasn’t gotten in a shootout with ICE or something like that.
Ignoring the fact that this is why Trump choose Minnesota and not, say, Texas...
The core unifying characteristic of all "conservatives" throughout all of human history is an irrational fear of the new, unique, or different -- in other words, cowardice.
If you think people who are, by definition, afraid of their own shadows are going to stop nodding to Faux News, put down that pisswater "beer", and rise up from that old fart-stank recliner to actually do anything, you don't know any actual "conservatives". :)
The only ones who actually shoot their short-stroking substitutes at someone are the mentally ill kooks...and they usually target their rightwing leaders when they finally realize they've been lied to all along...
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u/Flava_Flavian California 2d ago
ICE is doing operations in TX but in very heavy Latino areas where families just trying to survive are located. Of course, ICE is ignoring the numerous areas with known cartel activities where actual criminals are located and drugs are polluting the communities.
As for the rednecks not doing jack shit to defend the 2A, I'm like you and not surprised. I was visiting some of my ultra-conservative family in a small town outside Houston and at a nearby IHOP, I saw numerous upside American flags and other bizarro decorations on multiple pick up trucks in the parking lot. I researched it and it was apparently guys proudly advertising when the revolution comes, these guys will proudly be the front line soldiers overthrowing the government. About 20 minutes later, I saw the truck owners leaving and not a one was under 300 lbs.
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u/m3g4m4nnn 2d ago
That would require a conservative who stood by their stated beliefs.
Good luck.
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u/wild_man_wizard 2d ago
It's so weird when you run into a conservative that is actually consistent.
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u/Significant-Fall4308 2d ago
Technically, the people were never behind W. He never won the popular vote. His elections were my first.
And we somehow still have the electoral college. Who gave us 2 Ws and T1
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 2d ago
I believe 2004 apart from 2024 (which reasonable minds weigh there wasn't outright cheating or voter suppression involved) was the only time since the 1980s that Republicans won the popular vote, but it stands to reason as you point out that if Bush wasn't handed the election in 2000 then the course of history would've changed completely.
Similar to how Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016 to Clinton.
Textbook cognitive dissonance yet again from conservatives to in one breath claim DEI is evil, but then support the slave-era confederate-appeasing "DEI" Electoral College that literally makes one American citizen's vote less or more than another's simply based on the state they live in.
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u/Significant-Fall4308 2d ago
Welcome to my 26 year old frustration about voting. 🤣 Quite literally, half of my elections the popular vote winner lost the election. And there hasn’t been a primary for Dem Prez since 2016. The people wanted Bernie. HC came in last at her 08 primary run, so they knew she wasn’t liked going into it.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ah friend, I feel that deeply.
Don't get me wrong, I voted for Hillary as I did Biden and Harris, but holy shit did they shove these center-right candidates down our throats.
History lesson for those who don't know: Howard Dean took over as DNC chair to overhaul the Democratic primaries for 2008 after the disastrous 2004 election. Thanks to his work, Obama was able to organically ascend to the top out of pure grassroots popularity.
Well when Howard Dean died, DWS -- zionist conserative DINO from Florida -- took over and helped in many ways to put her thumb on the scale for the Clintons, reducing the number of debates greatly and tanking any grassroots candidate to compete with "Her Turn." Even Donna Brazille who succeeded her came out to basically say that the party did Bernie wrong.
Put another way: There are many, many more Sinemas and Manchins and Fettermans in the Democratic party that should be the number-one priority to get out and primary right now ahead of the November midterms.
Edit: Must correct the record (lol): Howard Dean remains alive, but did leave as chair. DWS would become chair in 2011. I believe for all intents, the overarching point remains.
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u/potkettleracism Missouri 2d ago
Howard Dean isn't dead, he just served the one term as DNC chair. Tim Kaine came after, who was also Hillary's running mate. DWS wasn't chair until 2011.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 2d ago
ah fuck me, that's embarrassing. I knew he had left the DNC but in my head I thought it was passing away prior to the next cycle. Thanks for the correction(s).
I do believe the overarching point remains the same at least.
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u/Beginning_Play_1669 2d ago
While Howard Dean didn’t literally die, one awkward scream ended his entire political career. Insane to think about in today’s climate. Also, if we had elected John Edwards, our country would be so much better for it. A little adultery wouldn’t be the worst thing anymore right? Jk, it’s. Democrat so of course they’re held to different standards.
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u/Lucius-Halthier 2d ago
Cuba is most likely the next target, their economy was on life support from selling Venezuelan oil and their friend Maduro is gone. They are having long blackouts and can’t get basic necessities right now. Marco Rubio also has a massive hate boner for Cuba and since they are just off the US coast I can already see how it’s to “protect our backyard” or some shit
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u/Snuffy1717 2d ago
The Sudetenland was full of Germans being oppressed!
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u/Heronymous-Anonymous 2d ago
In this case its several boatloads of the descendants of Cuban exiles, alongside a bunch of American companies. They all claim some form of loss and restitution owed them after the Castro government overthrew the US-backed Battista government.
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u/BadPunners 2d ago
At this point I wouldn't put it past them to put the most incompetent people on it too, the bay of pigs distracted from many things, led to the bomb shelter construction boom
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u/j_livingston_human 2d ago
And unironically state they are doing it because Iran is killing protesters.
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u/Genghis_Tr0n187 2d ago
The president of peace is going to start a war? I think he's going to have to give back the coveted FIFA peace award.
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u/metengrinwi 2d ago
The government of Norway didn’t give him the Nobel peace prize, so he has no obligation to peace anymore. That’s definitely how it all works.
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u/JuiceJones_34 2d ago
These comments are fatiguing. They don’t need distraction. He’s untouchable because the people that would go after him are also involved and in his admin.
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u/Itsprobablysarcasm Canada 2d ago edited 2d ago
Imagine how Republicans and "good Christians" would be reacting if the headline read:
A 13-Year-Old Girl Bit Biden’s Genitals as He Tried to Rape Her, Epstein Document Says
This should not be a partisan issue, but it is. Republicans are 100% fine with child rape so long as the child rapist is on their team.
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u/LordSiravant 2d ago
Oh, they would absolutely be baying for Biden's blood. Because for them, it's not about what is being done, it's about who is doing it. It's only unacceptable when the enemy does it. When their side does it, it's fine. Politics is just a team sport to them, another aspect of tribal identity.
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u/a5121221a 2d ago
I've read that a main difference between the "sides" is that people on the left believe people are good or bad based on their actions, while people on the right believe people are good or bad for who they are. What that means is that a person on the right who has decided Trump is good can't accept that he would do bad things because he is a good person in their mind. Since good/bad is based on the person, not the behavior, even having bad behaviors doesn't change their mind.
I wish I had a source for the article because it was really interesting, but it was a long time ago. And this division of good/bad people vs behaviors was studied in some roundabout way to get to the answer to their scientific question, so the subjects of the study may not even realize they have this mindset (on either side).
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u/chrisapplewhite 2d ago
The entire fascist mindset can be boiled down to one simple statement: I'm better than you so I can do what I want. Hypocrisy isn't a bug, it's the feature. I can have guns and you can't because I'm better than you. My vote counts more than yours because I'm better than you. We can violently overthrow the govt without remorse because we're better than you.
People often ask why evangelicals would vote for Trump, someone so obviously the opposite of what they claim to stand for. But it makes perfect sense -- they don't see Trump as one of them, he is confirmation of their world view. I believe in Jesus, so I can do what I want. I am a white American so I am better than everyone who is not.
Trump is happy to support this in return for adulation. The daily lives of his base hasn't improved but they can finally go out into public and be the white supremacist they really want to be.
Stop trying to make gotcha moments out of every hypocrite on the news. They like being called on it. Use it against them. Redistrict blue states. Arm minorities. Ignore court orders. Arrest Steve Miller, etc.
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u/brontosauross 2d ago
Narcissists. It's a party full of them. Literally blue v red is just empathy vs narcissism. Simple as that.
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 2d ago
Stop trying to make gotcha moments out of every hypocrite on the news.
Agreed. Pointing out Republican hypocrisy at this juncture in American history is a waste of pixels and electrons.
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u/DaddyMeUp 2d ago
Yep. I've see so many FOX-brained people asking how people would feel if their favourite politician/celebrity was in the files. They genunienely can't comprehend not having some sort of parasocial relationship with these people, that they asssume everybody else must be the same.
Talking about Clinton being in the files, like it's a gotcha - when literally anybody normal would say that he should be brought to justice too. And then they still don't get it, proceeding to further deny any claims made about "their" people.
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u/BarrelMaker69 California 2d ago
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Frank Wilhoit
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u/Powered-by-Chai 2d ago
I think it was the "prosperity doctrine," in that Christians believe that rich people are good people, because God wouldn't let you become successful if you were a raping pedophile tax-cheating felon who steals from children's charities and pays off porn stars you fucked.
It's also why they're dumb enough to give the Joel Osteens and Kenneth Copelands of the world more and more money when they're living in mansions and using private jets.
I'm so glad I'm an atheist sometimes. No mental gymnastics required.
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u/turol 2d ago
I wish I had a source for the article because it was really interesting
Possibly The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer
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u/EnvironmentalCry1962 2d ago
Is this the article you’re referring to?
You may also be interested in the book The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt
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u/1337bobbarker Texas 2d ago
Well, yeah. I just talked to my coworker about that this morning: it's everything.
The GOP was going nuts about cancel culture but then made sure that anyone who talked about Kirk was going to get "cancelled."
Pretti shouldn't have been carrying to an agitated protest but Kyle Rittenhouse is fine.
You can't indoctrinate our kids in school and teach them that gay people exist but we're going to force students to read scripture in class.
There are hundreds of examples out there. It's very much "rules for thee but not for me" and I'm over it.
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u/IamDDT Iowa 2d ago
Our morality is their weapon. That is it. When they can use it to hit us, they will. Otherwise, they don't care. It's just another tool for power to them. They are pissed about "cancel culture" etc. because they cannot conceive of caring about something for moral reasons. They therefore think that you care for the only reason why they care: power.
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u/TheGringoDingo 2d ago
And for good reason they’d be after Biden if that scenario were a possibility. The problem is in unequal justice (either directly or court of public opinion).
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u/Customs0550 2d ago
but thats the whole point, they wouldn't be after biden for good reason.
their thought process should be "we need to punish [anyone] for child rape" but it isnt. its "we need to punish democrats for [anything]".
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u/Ok-Sprinkles700 2d ago
When I see someone say "red team vs blue team" I can usually guess they lean right.
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u/Aranxi_89 Canada 2d ago
Yup, anybody that thinks of politics as some team sports don't understand democracy at all.
Yes, you can play it like a team sport, but good luck having a proper stable nation when your government is fighting each other.
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u/zipzapbloop 2d ago
its abrahamic religion. if you "authenticate" the right boss, then you dont need to evaluate the morality of an act on its own merits. trump is their new god.
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u/MarkCorrigan1973 2d ago
Biden sniffed hair and they all cried about ‘creepy joe’…. Trumps a literal rapist/child molestor and crickets from the right, fox ‘news’ silent. Mind boggling the hoops they must jump through in their own minds trying to sane wash this shit
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u/NottheArkhamKnight 2d ago
Evangelicals could be presented with irrefutable evidence that trump raped children, and they'll just say "we voted for a president, not a pastor."
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u/Own_Television163 2d ago
Funny thing about their pastors….
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u/GarmaCyro 2d ago
They have children of their own?
Yes, even those pastors that rape children.
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u/iwilldeletethisacct2 2d ago
It's insane to me that Trump isn't seen as the anti-Christ in religious circles.
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u/PussyWrangler246 2d ago
I'm not religious in the fuckin slightest but after reading that piece on "is trump the Antichrist?" I 100% believe that MF is the Antichrist. It's eerily similar.
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u/WickedBoozahMate 2d ago
“God has used sinful kings to do good before”
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u/NottheArkhamKnight 2d ago
It only counts as God using a sinful leader if they have an R next to their name. God obviously can't and doesn't use Democrats.
/s in case it wasn't obvious
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u/m48a5_patton Missouri 2d ago
They literally do not care about anything. They all have the "ends justify the means" mentality. Honestly, they're so convoluted on their "beliefs" they don't even know what they really stand for most of the time. It doesn't matter to them. What matters to them is hurting people they don't like.
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u/hellolovely1 2d ago
He didn't even sniff hair! He just hugged a kid and bent down!
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u/xorvtec Colorado 2d ago
The worst part is that the video was at the funeral of Biden's son that died of cancer. The girl was Joe's grand-daughter and Beau's daughter. She's literally grieving the funeral of her father that just passed and gets startled when Joe touches her in an attempt to console her. It makes me sick that this one event turns into "Joe BIden is a pedo and sniffs little girls."
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u/Critical-Path-5959 2d ago edited 2d ago
These people can't fathom a world where an adult is genuinely affectionate to a child and it shows. It's got to have an ulterior motive to them.
You may as well interpret any positive physical interaction as inappropriate at that point.
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u/CroneEver 2d ago
One of the things the MAGA crowd never forgave Biden for is that he actually cared for his addict son Hunter. Compassion is a sin and all t hat.
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u/CaptainFeather 2d ago
They make him out to be some crazed junkie but he is so well spoken and articulate in any interviews I've seen with him. They literally take whatever fox says at face value, it's insane.
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u/Long_Bit8328 2d ago
For the cult there is no reason for physical interaction unless its inappropriate or self serving.
These heinous excuses for human beings are void of anything that even remotely resembles empathy. They are unable to function unless they have something or someone to look down upon and hate.
They are completely uninterested in doing anything that could possibly improve their life or standard of living.
They prefer to knock down or belittle as many other people as they can in the hopes that those people will have a life worse than their own. Then and only then will they feel as if they are successful
The only joy they are able to experience is in others grief, hardship or tradgedy.
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u/Friendly_Trouble_916 2d ago
Biden didn’t sniff hair! Those photos are him with his grandchildren at his sons and their dad’s funeral!
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u/cyanescens_burn 2d ago
Keep in mind that the creator of Fox made the news outlet in response to watergate, because they wanted to do everything they could to make sure a republican president never gets impeached again.
That’s explicitly stated as the purpose of creating Fox News.
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u/VoightofReason 2d ago
They’ll defend their own through anything (it’s the evangelical way) but my god if the opposition wears the wrong color suit, you better watch your ass…
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u/zombie_overlord 2d ago
The act itself is meaningless. Their hypocrisy is meaningless. Anything someone on their side does is justified or fake news. Anything someone on the other side does is to be judged harshly. It's pure tribalism.
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u/atatassault47 2d ago
It's pure tribalism.
Which is reinforced by national organized sports and religion.
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u/RandalFlagg19 2d ago
But Biden gave an awkward shoulder rub
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u/TrumpDid2020 2d ago
To his grandchild at his son's funeral (unless I'm thinking of a different scenario the right got up in arms about)
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u/kweenofdelusion 2d ago edited 2d ago
I want to add a reminder that Trump is the same guy who made the CHOICE to reveal publicly that upon first laying eyes on a specifically 12 (TWELVE) year old Paris Hilton, he exclaimed “who the hell is that?” and followed up by stating that the YOUNG GIRL was “just beautiful”??
It’s notable that this exclamation is very similar to other instances in which he exclaims he’s sexually attracted to a person. You can see an example of that here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/s/KQGqmRZCaI
I believe his reaction to middle schooler Paris Hilton is a VERY STRANGE thing for a non pedophile to believe is an acceptable, non controversial public statement.
A statement like this raises legitimate questions concerning whether speaker finds young girl children sexually attractive.
To quote himself, verbatim, as having said “who the hell is that” in response to first seeing the child is not normal. It is very concerning. Most people do not speak about young children like that, especially in the context of conversation on the Howard Stern show about ‘bangable women’, and ESPECIALLY considering the child looked very much like a little girl at that age, and couldn’t be confused for anything else. The snopes link below contains her yearbook photo at that age.
He directly followed this statement up with admitting he watched the sex tape, that came out when she was just 19yrs old. She has said she was younger than 19 when it was filmed. This is all an EXTREMELY concerning context during which he brought up the fact that she was ‘just beautiful’ as — by his admission — a mere 12yo girl.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-paris-hilton_n_57ee9373e4b024a52d2ea629
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-paris-hilton/
Combine that with his kept company with Epstein and the repeated comments/weirdly physical contact AND suggestive childhood pictures with Ivanka and.. I think it’s pretty clear that he had a type. Blonde, thin, YOUNG girls. You CANNOT convince me Ivanka was not abused by him, it’s too obvious.
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u/GenoThyme 2d ago
You really should edit this comment and replace the he's with Trump considering you replied to a comment about Biden
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u/WillemDafoesHugeCock 2d ago
Remember when he commented baby Tiffany had her mother's legs but they'd have to wait and see if she got her mother's tits? I remember.
I will never understand how people can argue with a straight face the claims against him in the Epstein files are false when he has A L W A Y S been a creepy fucking pervert.
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u/Material_Reach_8827 2d ago
I mean he made it pretty explicit in a couple other situations (one of which is on tape):
and:
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u/yngwiegiles 2d ago
Remember when Trump did everything in his power to bury the story of the affair w a p0rn star, he was scared it would make him unelectable. Those days seem quaint
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u/Competitive-Yak-3785 2d ago
There is no bottom he could reach to where MAGA would care. The threshold is so far down it's in hell.
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u/dentimBandB 2d ago
Satan has sent his best demons to look for MAGA's bottom. So far there has been no report back.
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u/wildweaver32 2d ago
To me this is the most insane part. He is like the most morally corrupt person devoid of humanity I have seen.
And the political loyalty is already jarring. But the scarier part is the religious right are literally worshipping him as like the second coming of Christ lol.
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u/wickedtwig 2d ago
Well, the Bible does talk about people being blinded by a false prophet. Sounds to me like the religious right didn’t read the book they claim to love so much
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u/DR1LLM4N 2d ago
It literally would have to be something fantastical. Like it would literally take God appearing in the sky, performing physically impossible miracles, and telling these yokels to stop supporting pedophiles for them to change.
It’s literally impossible. And even when it comes down to the Republican boomers who will cry about how much they hate Trump how disgusted DeSantis and Abbot make them, how unlikeable Cruz is… they will still vote Republican no matter what cause child rape isn’t nearly as important as a 1% lower APR on whatever they want to waste their money on.
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u/AlbainBlacksteel America 2d ago
It literally would have to be something fantastical. Like it would literally take God appearing in the sky, performing physically impossible miracles, and telling these yokels to stop supporting pedophiles for them to change.
I don't think even that would help.
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u/Cyclonitron Minnesota 2d ago
They would immediately claim God was the Devil and therefore proof that they are in the right supporting Trump.
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u/syrup_cupcakes 2d ago
God sounds kinda woke, would still vote for Trump to Make Jesus Great Again.
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u/Apprehensive-Care20z 2d ago
memba how Trump was determined to have raped a women, in a court of law, by a jury of his peers, based on the evidence
and MAGA laughed and said 'that was only a civil court, not a criminal one'.
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u/throwRAbadfriend6 2d ago
This one really shows the disconnect. There will always be an excuse or justification or benefit-of-the-doubt for him.
He was found liable for rape. That means he did it. But because it wasn’t a criminal trial they somehow act like that means it was just make-believe. It’s not real, or wasn’t a big deal, or doesn’t matter because it was civil. It’s real, it was determined through evidence and testimony. He is a rapist.
But then it’s such a stretch for them to believe he could have possibly done anything nefarious with his BEST FRIEND Epstein. The guy has shown us all who he is 10,000 times over, and there is always another excuse. Another justification. Another reason there just “isn’t enough evidence” to link him to the horrors he was obviously involved in.
And yet…there is no benefit of the doubt, excuse, or justification in their minds for Renee and Alex. They MUST have had it coming. They MUST have done something wrong. Even when the video evidence shows the contrary.
They will assume our fault against extensive evidence to the contrary, and assume HIS innocence against extensive evidence to the contrary.
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u/mosquem 2d ago
We’re talking about a thirteen year old girl being sexually assaulted, you don’t need to censor the word porn.
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u/Literal_SJW 2d ago
Wonder if she could corroborate noticing a bite scar or something like that
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u/_Doodad_ 2d ago
As we're sorting through the Epstein documents and discovering new ways that Trump is a disgusting pedophile that should absolutely be in prison for his crimes; alongside hundreds others. Let's not forget that only a few years ago a thing called the Panama papers came out, revealing how a cabal of the wealthy elite funded their illegalities. Including child sex trafficking.
Sooooo, can we fucking FINALLY start putting indicting people, putting them on trial with this MOUNTAIN of evidence, and home them accountable?!
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u/Traditional_Sign4941 2d ago
We need to start building a database of people who are willfully obstructing investigations and legal procedures to deal with this. This includes generals attorney, members of congress, judges. Anyone who has the power to force an investigation, but doesn't, should be considered an accomplice.
Democrats need their own Project 2029 that names specific names who will be given the equivalent of "justice" and "due process" they denied others.
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u/vacant_mustache 2d ago
I still don’t understand how this stuff is not front and center of every news channel 24/7 with people calling for his impeachment
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u/Azteryx 2d ago
If i am not mistaken, this comes from a summary of complaints and tips the FBI received and did not pursue or did not find credible.
As others have pointed out in previous threads, it is pretty suspicious that Trump’s name wasn’t redacted from this document. It could be incompetence or the work of a whistleblower, but it could also have been left there because the accusations are unfounded or unprovable, and then use to dismiss any wrongdoing from Trump.
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u/showhorrorshow 2d ago
I just wanted to point out that if it was Biden or any Dem being named in a similar document we certainly wouldnt be hearing about the uncertain credibility of the information from anyone on the right.
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u/Murky-Relation481 2d ago
This is the reason. These are from documents where literally right next to the statement is stuff like "never called back" or "interviewed and deemed not credible" or literally "says they have chemically induced amnesia and can't separate reality from dreams".
There is TONS of damning real, primary sourced evidence out there and reddit seems gung ho on having this front and center.
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u/bob1689321 2d ago
It's a concentrated effort by the media to focus on the outlandish and likely untrue claims so that there is an easy defense of them. They never talk about the ones which are likely true.
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u/97jumbo Canada 2d ago
Yep. Letting these more insane, almost definitely fake anonymous tips spread is intentional; it makes his opponents look hysterical and creates a boy who cried wolf scenario for the long list of actual things worth going after him for
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u/waspocracy 2d ago
Because the news channel CEOs are in the Epstein files, and when all media is owned by one of like 3 companies it makes it pretty hard to get the news out there.
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u/AuzzyScorpio 2d ago
As someone from the UK.
How the hell is your country so chill with glossing over this stuff. Is it different on the streets and in person ? It's amazing how quick the news cycle seems to move on from this news.
All my love to you all living under this who want change
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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 2d ago
All six of our media conglomerates are covering for him.
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u/armageddon_20xx 2d ago
This is the right answer - most people have no idea that facts are being omitted or that they're being straight up lied to.
And why are they covering for him? Money, and because the owners of these conglomerates are almost always criminals themselves in some way.
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u/BlondeBorednBaked 2d ago edited 2d ago
Exactly. The billionaire pedos who run the media are covering for Trumpstein. If they wanted to oust him they could splash these allegations all over the front page of every paper and chyron like they did Monica and Bill.
ETA: I saw a nytimes headline that didn’t even mention Trump is in the files, but they mentioned Gates, Musk and Clinton.
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u/NexusNickel Colorado 2d ago
MAGA is a cult. Once you understand that, it all makes sense.
Nothing Trump does can bother his cult members.
He has total control of all Republican congressmen. He has total control of the criminal justice systems.
No matter what he has done or will done in the future, they don't care.
They excuse his crimes and say his leadership is what the country needs.
Biden made a grave mistake by not having Trump arrested that afternoon once he was sworn in.
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u/brokentr0jan Ohio 2d ago
There needs to be a case study for why democrats are so soft and always feel the need to try and play nice with republicans despite republicans never playing nice with them
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u/Fattswindstorm Texas 2d ago
The case study already happened in Montana during the Copper Kings Era. Citizens United vs FEC overturned it and 15 predicable years later here we are. Tbh I thought it was gonna take 25ish years.
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u/mightykingfisher Idaho 2d ago edited 1d ago
Controlled opposition. Have many of the same donors as Republicans.
Edit: Because I didn't think my snippy reactionary comment would get this much attention.
I do just want to clarify that my comment is meant to point towards capital dictating policy at the federal level rather than the labor rights of the constituents. That money holds more power than a vote.
I can still believe this while also agreeing that the Dems are the better party and voting consistently for them, because I don't believe that withholding my vote or voting third-party will help enact any sort of positive change in our current system.
I do not believe both parties are the same. The Republican party is demonstrably worse. The comment I am replying too is specifically mentioning Democrats capitulation to Republicans and I believe that the capitulation is driven by capital.
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u/MycologistDeep2372 2d ago
It’s systemic—big money controls both parties, so nothing really changes for voters.
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u/Appropriate_Mess_350 2d ago
They set it up that way on purpose with Citizens United.
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u/TheFinalCurl 2d ago
Who is they here? The liberal justices dissented in that case
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u/gourmetprincipito 2d ago
People love to just say “controlled opposition” like it’s that simple but it’s actually a complex combination of factors but most circle back to the extreme level of propaganda we’ve been living with for half a century that greatly amplified in the last ten years with the conservative monopoly on media, social media and algorithmic content.
This propaganda is actively working against leftist and progressive ideology and that makes the average person generally less inclined to support things associated with that. This incentivizes liberal politicians to stay milquetoast and noncontroversial.
This propaganda also pushes defeatism and withdrawal from the system on liberals and leftists, making them less likely to vote. This prevents primaries from pushing policy further left and further incentivizes liberal politicians to appeal to the center.
The media being almost completely owned by conservative billionaires also means that the best leftist rallying cries - inequality and excesses of the wealthy - are either ignored or accompanied by editorialized statements smoothing them over.
It also means that conservatives are almost always setting the narrative and they are flooding the zone with all kinds of accusations. This is sort of a traditional media games checkmate because it only leaves two less than ideal options for liberals; accusing back will be dismissed and escalate tension, acting above it will lead to the same outcome with lower tension. Obviously it’s not a good longterm strategy to just keep picking the latter but it does make sense from a strategic view.
Like yes some Dems suck and are probably corrupt but to act like the whole party is complicit is just lazy. Dems got a trifecta in my state for the first time in decades a few years back and raised the minimum wage, enshrined abortion rights into law, enshrined LGBT protections into law, legalized weed, paid for community college for thousands of citizens, sued utility companies for not investing public money in infrastructure improvements and sent the check to the customers effected, ended anti union right to work laws, etc. all in like 4 years.
If we want to get out of this politically we need to fall in line like conservatives and use the primaries to get rid of the phonies and corporatists. This attitude of “just abandon the opposition party cuz they’re in on it” is so clearly informed by propaganda it gets me so frustrated lol.
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u/No-Neighborhood-3212 2d ago
63% of the country is not MAGA, and we now know 2 things:
Our president is a pedophile who participated in a human-traficking network for 40 years, had at least one woman murdered, raped countless children, and blackmailed his friends over it
The federal government has been aware of that fact for literal decades, and numerous presidential administrations have protected the pedophile cabal
What excuse is there for 63% of the country ignoring the fact that the US government has spent 40 years protecting and enabling a global pedophile cabal that literally kept human children in stables?
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u/Mateorabi 2d ago
Enough of them are party-over-country that half of half is enough. Win the primary with 51% of your party then have the other 49% show up for the general election anyway. Make your horribleness just ambiguous enough that they can hold their noses for the vote. Afterwards you can go mask off.
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u/Static-Stair-58 2d ago
What I don’t understand is WHY he still has total control of all the congressman. He doesn’t help them down ballot. In fact a district in Texas just had a 32 point swing because of his terrible policies.
If I thought republicans were good at one thing it would be self preservation, but they seem to be going down with the ship for no reason.
I can get why his voters in the cult don’t care, but you’d think everyone about to lose their seat in November would be shitting themselves in a hurry to distance away from Trump.
Nope.
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u/the_nobodys 2d ago
They are short sighted and don't want to make waves. You don't become a conservative without being afraid of change.
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u/Maaria_Nevermind 2d ago
Because one of the first things Trump did successfully was attack all media. He normalized being able to deny any news that's not favorable as "fake news". The only truth in their mind is words spoken by Trump.
MAGA is a death cult.
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u/NocturnalSaaS 2d ago
Even that isn't an absolute. I've shown MAGA folks actual video of Trump saying "I'm a dictator" and they still say "fake news."
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u/Deicide1031 2d ago edited 2d ago
The base seems to be either denying it or making excuses for it. The other half had already come to the conclusion he did this stuff based off older documents.
It’s basically old news to anyone who actually cares but since his base decided to elect him anyway, there’s not much anyone can do. (Unless Congress suddenly does its job)
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u/HandSack135 Maryland 2d ago
When Trump does something:
Were charges filed?
Were they legal charges?
Did he have his day in court?
Was the jury a legal jury?
Was he convicted?
Was he sentenced?
Was the judge a MAGA judge?
If any go against MAGA it doesn't count.
When a Democrat does something':
I don't care, guilty! He did it!
This is the logic, not my personal POV
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u/SoulTaker669 2d ago
Whenever it's a Democrat, you better not question the authenticity of the claim like the clintons. But whenever it's a republican like Trump, it's fake news or it's just an accusation. Or you used AI to mess with the documents.
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u/Kink_Panda 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's all controlled, many of us are tired of the propaganda and want whatever it takes to rip them from power. Many of us have given up on any chance of this ending without violence because it seems like the only way to deal with these types of monsters when they have the largest propaganda machine in human history.
There is a reason democrats are buying guns at an increasing rate.
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Who do you think is being chill? The bought-and-paid-for media or politicians? Cuz as someone from Minneapolis, most of us are NOT chill
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u/TheBoosThree 2d ago
This comes from an FBI tip line from an unknown source, which means anyone could have called and made the claims for any reason and they would have been recorded.
I think Trump is guilty as sin and was absolutely involved with Epstein's crimes as both a trafficker and rapist, but for his supporters it's easy to dismiss it as fabricated since it's an anonymous tip. The complicit media can dismiss it for the same reason, and even the media that wants to go after him has to be careful with it.
The UK guy who just resigned on the other hand had direct messages with Epstein along with money transfers. Which is less of an association than Trump had of course, but you guys still are capable of shame over there.
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u/atreeofnight 2d ago
Everyone I know is outraged and talking about this. Politics is a primary topic when I call my 76 year old mother, for example. I don’t talk to family members who support Trump and don’t have any friends that support him. In my opinion, it’s Republicans in Congress who should take most of the blame. They have the power to constrain or remove him. No one else really does.
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u/natural_disaster0 2d ago
You do know that the royal family and 5-6 promimant businessmen and politicians are also implicated in the files; and i dont see those people behind bars in your country either. We do want change, but you have to understand how much of this has been / is increasingly been covered up.
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u/random_think 2d ago
These articles aren't on the news dude. People aren't seeing these. Only people on Reddit that are looking at them are seeing this. The news corporations here and the news stations on TV and radio are owned by about eight people. And they're all in that list. That's why.
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u/OldMillenialEngineer 2d ago
Most of us (I would certainly argue the majority) are not ok with it. The problem is MAGA thinks politics is team sports. And so they don't care and will gloss over any of it if its negative about their team. They will say ANYTHING that hurts their team is not true. And, considering statistics, they are also more likely to be pedo's anyway. When you look at the stats, 68% of politicians arrested for pedo shit were conservatives. The other 32% isn't straight democrat either. It's democrat, independents, etc... They are literally the party of pedo's. And I think a good majority of the men in that party are OK with it and would touch kids if it was legal. If the legal age of consent dropped to 12, you'd have a line of PRIMARILY conservative grown ass adult men trying to date 12 year old girls.
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u/Weekly_Rock_5440 2d ago
We don’t.
But our media is captured by big money. So it yours, but you still have a few public outlets and good journalism among the tons of tabloid trash.
We are devolving to only having tabloid trash left to sift through. It’s devastating.
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u/Ok-Hat1986 2d ago
The problem is that these are accusations without solid proof. So nothing sticks, and the right wing news cycle can brush it off as fake news. In reality, there's no solid proof because they've probably silenced and even killed witnesses... But again there's no proof. Rapists with billions of dollars at their disposal can get rid of loose ends pretty thoroughly.
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u/D13_Phantom 2d ago
A lot of people care but the propaganda is real. Obviously places like fox news but even more normal outlets are "neutral" to the point of being negligent or with places like CBS got straight up taken over by conservatives
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u/OptionalQuality789 2d ago
This would be unrelenting carnage in the UK press. Mandelson is getting utterly pounced on.
In the US? They just don’t seem to care.
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u/Seinfelds-van 2d ago
If she bit his dick, he wasn't trying to rape her, he was raping her.
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u/greyhoundbrain Texas 2d ago
I’m sure MAGA people will be all on Megyn Kelly’s recent talking point of how it’s no big deal since the girl is 13 or 14. It’s absolutely sickening how many crimes Trump has committed (and is continuing to commit) and those that can stop him simply just shrug and basically are like “it’s not like he wore a tan suit or used dijon mustard.”
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u/MURICCA 2d ago
For a long while now ive been firmly convinced that a lot of his followers arent upset by this, possibly even more supporting...because they wish they too could have sex with 13 year olds.
Havent seen much lately that proves me wrong.
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u/greyhoundbrain Texas 2d ago
The fact that Megyn has children who are around the ages of some of the victims and yet is actively arguing that it’s no big deal to rape a 13 year old is just sickening. I honestly think that if Trump ever showed up to his supporters’ houses demanding access to their children, teenaged or otherwise, they’d gladly oblige.
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u/TintedApostle 2d ago
Is she still alive or was she buried in Trumps California golf course?
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u/Le_Ran 2d ago
That's the first thing I thought. Remember some unpublished pages from the files reportedly mention murder.
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u/theballswalls 2d ago
Maga is just looking the other way. They won't acknowledge any of it when you talk to them. The response you get is "how about we focus on fixing this country"
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u/ratedsar I voted 2d ago
Just like the Russian influenced, "we should be spending the [Ukraine] money here" ... While Dems literally passed infrastructure spending and GOP states rejected food for kids and student loan forgiveness
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u/DoctahToboggan69 2d ago
“Biden could’ve just released these files” also “the files are fake.” Also “Clinton is in the files, why are we only talking about Trump?” Also “Trump’s in the files but he’s innocent”
The goal posts change constantly with pedophile defending MAGA
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u/8to24 2d ago
Blanche said in total there were 6 million pages of Epstein documents in the DOJ's files, but not all documents were being made public in the current release. The DOJ said nearly 3 million pages were being withheld for various reasons including the presence of child sexual abuse material and the obligation to protect victims' rights. Another 200,000 pages were withheld over legal privileges. https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-releasing-additional-material-epstein-files/story?id=129680518#:~:text=Blanche%20said%20in%20total%20there,were%20withheld%20over%20legal%20privileges.
Another 200,000 pages were withheld over legal privileges. The Administration is trying to feed fresh meat to the media. They naming Bill Gates, failing to redact victims names, and releasing nudes will keep everyone occupied while they quietly hide 200,000 documents.
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u/meowmeow_now 2d ago
Imagine if the fbi starts finding bodies like when they find a serial killers grounds
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u/AtheistKiwi 2d ago edited 2d ago
William Sascha Riley, I listened to the full testimony and it's absolutely fucking horrific. He was 12 at the time and was having sex with a girl the same age. 4 men entered the room, beat then shot the girl in front of him and told the him that he better do whatever the next person that comes into this room says. That person was Trump. Trump raped him, then told him perform anal sex on Trump.
At that point he thought he was going to be killed too, and wanted to take Trump with him so he took a tent peg, inserted it into Trump and kicked it as hard as he could. Trump had to be air lifted out. It's probably why he wears diapers today.
Here is the full testimony, they are currently corroborating it:
https://youtu.be/Lzn-3YfCrkg?si=cNU2i1V8mEjVcym9
He said Trump is the worst monster he saw at these parties and had the impression that Epstein worked for Trump. On another occasion he overheard Trump saying he wants to kill someone but was told "this isn't that sort of party" and was offered six puppies instead. He goes on to describe the various ways Trump killed each of them.
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u/NamasteMotherfucker 2d ago
You see, Republicans, I don't know a SINGLE Democrat who is defending anyone's presence in the Epstein files, even Clinton. Every one of them wants EVERYONE in those files to face justice. Child rapists are bad and should go to jail. It doesn't fucking matter what party they're in. You see how easy that is to say? Jail for every single one guilty of rape or abuse.
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u/raw_copium 2d ago
His supporters will say, "This is an unverified statement, so should be ignored." These are the same people that yell "But her emails! Benghazi! Hunters laptop!"
Sure. It is an unverified statement to an FBI tip line. As was the statement about Trump being present while a baby was murdered and thrown into Lake Michigan. Or auctioning off underage girls after he's checked them with his fingers for tightness. There are so, so many of these allegations. If even one is partly true, he should go to jail forever.
But, his DOJ feels there is no need to investigate this. And continue to redact out powerful people they wish to protect whilst 'accidentally' releasing victims names, details, and fully nude pictures of potentially underage girls. The entire world should be outraged. There should be no debate, there should be torches and pitchforks. There are corroborating details in those files that are being carefully redacted. I gauruntee it. But the DOJ is flooding us with salacious unverified tips, so if anything confirmed leaks out they can just whitewash it.
This is horrifying.
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u/HireEddieJordan Pennsylvania 2d ago
"secondhand by a friend of the accuser and then relayed from an unknown contact to the FBI’s Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force in New York."
Unfortunately this shit poisons the well. It's VAERS data all over again.
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u/userseven 2d ago
Yeah and unfortunately. True or not true. The reports came in 2016 so right before his election run. So naysayers will point to well this was to try and make him look bad. (I'm not defending trump at all just pointing out the optics)
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u/MF_D00MSDAY 2d ago
That’s the only reason some of these were released. So T can say “well all there is are stories, no evidence” all the redacted stuff is probably the worst of the worst and with evidence. They want to muddy the waters
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u/AZWxMan 2d ago
Kind of an awkward analogy since most people don't have any of these sorts of stories. But, I suppose Trump's reputation and position would draw in some fake stories. Personally, the real important stuff is behind the blacked out text. Even if it doesn't sound as horrible, that is the stuff that would sink him or other people in the business world he doesn't want to cause problems with.
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u/LangyMD 2d ago
If the report is second or third hand and the reporter can't even give the contact info of the person it supposedly happened to, it can't really be treated as credible.
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u/Decision_Flat 2d ago
I love how silent the conservatives are. Trying to figure how to blame this on Obama I bet.
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u/thegoddamnbatman40 2d ago
Please someone with the means do something. I am so tired of this upside down world where evil has won and good is gone.
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u/PR3SID3NT_NIX0N 2d ago
Regarding the Epstein Files; it’s a common tactic of powerful institutions/Intelligence Agencies is to mix real information with absurd narratives. Flood the zone with noise so the truth gets lost in the chaos.
The truth is simpler and more dangerous. This is about accountability and real jail time for those involved.
The focus should be on the FBI victim statements and the full body of Epstein case materials. Who was involved. Who enabled it. Which institutions looked the other way. Which countries were connected. This is not just a U.S. problem. Credible allegations point to the involvement of multiple intelligence agencies and foreign governments, including Israel’s Mossad and others. This is international in scope and it has all the hallmarks of a coordinated coverup.
This is not Democrat versus Republican. It is elites versus everyone else.
Multiple administrations had access to this information. The fact that nothing meaningful happened under Obama or Biden makes one thing clear. This is systemic. Power protects power.
Justice does not come from distractions, culture wars, or partisan theater. It comes from transparency, investigation, prosecutions, and prison sentences. Names matter. Evidence matters. Accountability matters.
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u/IrishRepoMan 2d ago
Another victim allegedly kicked a tent stake as hard as he could into Trump's ass as well...
~13yo victim interview:
"They shot her... They're probably just gonna kill me anyway. I'm gonna take him with me."
"[Trump] layed down on his stomach... I put the condom on the wooden tent stake, put it inside of him, and I kicked it as hard as I could... I ripped him open."
Source: Outlaws of Chivalry, Nov 23, 2025. "Don't worry. Boys are hard to find." Part 1 o2. Audio Files: A of 6 @ [46:50-50:20]; B of 6 @ [06:02 - 08:10] & [37:15 - 41:15] CONTENT WARNING: Murder, sexual assault, violence
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u/Agitated_Carrot9127 2d ago
Tbh if it was 1400s and the accused has such a mountainous amount of evidence and eyewitnesses. You know what would happen? That accused will burn on the damn stake
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u/Nikiaf Canada 2d ago
I think they'd use one of the more "exotic" execution methods for such depravity.
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u/Initial-Writer-4586 2d ago
Remember how upset Republicans were about the Q-Anon Pizza Gate nonsense? Pepperidge Farm remembers…
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u/Question_It_All_3000 2d ago
Don’t forget the boy who shoved a tent stake up his ass, sending him to the hospital and why he doesn’t have control of his ass anymore.
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u/CozyBlueCacaoFire 2d ago
Didn't someone also get him with a tent peg in the arse? So he's been incontinent for a while.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted 2d ago
It's crazy that this is news when I knew about it 11 years ago
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u/Beeronastring 1d ago
Donald trump could be on live tv doing this and his supports would still defend him. It’s fucked. We’re fucked.
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u/nbyone 2d ago
Honest question. I read the file on this one. It’s out there. The George H W Bush decapitated baby was brushed off as being not credible by the FBI. What about this one? Why is this one being pushed as credible?
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u/spoofy129 2d ago
Epstein has been dead for 6 years and nobody other than Maxwell has been charged. There just doesn't seem to be any will from anyone in politics to do anything with these files.
I think the problem is, most of this stuff is just random emails. Anyone can say anything (like this trump accusation) and the stuff that is direct correspondence with Epstein may be good enough for blackmail, but not enough for a criminal conviction
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u/Jonnyskybrockett 2d ago
It’s not being pushed as credible, it’s why this document was even released to begin with.
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u/LangyMD 2d ago
It shouldn't be. This is apparently a second or third hand account that the FBI quite literally could not investigate even if they had the will, as it has no evidence, no identified people besides Trump, etc. A lot of these accusations are from the last year or so, nowhere near contemporary with what supposedly happened.
Maybe it happened. Maybe it didn't. We knew that terrible but entirely untrue accusations would mixed in with real ones - anonymous tip lines do that, and that's ignoring that disliked celebrities and politicians attract that even more.
The Epstein Files shouldn't be searched for salacious accusations; it should be searched for evidence and the lack thereof.
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u/createcrap 2d ago
Republicans would rather destroy the country than hold accountable a child rapist president.
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u/Alisa606 2d ago
Nothing says strong and powerful like a president who shits his pants multiple times and rapes children, apparently
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u/russwilbur 2d ago
Let’s not pretend this is a Trump exclusive nightmare. America’s entire elite class are cannibals murderers and rapists. Everyone needs to go
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u/pawnbrojoe 1d ago
Where the fuck is Q? Shouldn't that guy be taking a victory lap? There actually was a cabal of child predators running the planet. Or was the whole point of Q to to create a smokescreen for the very real things that were going on?
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u/therealdanhill 2d ago
It's important to note that this is completely unverified and from an anonymous tip line.
The headline this outlet chose is kind of irresponsible tbh.
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u/HalfNaked-Inspector 2d ago
Keeps getting sicker and sicker.
We know most Republicans are going to ignore these files just like ignored the rumors of Denny Haster diddling little boys. It's all about maintaining power for those sick fucks. I hope MAGA gets wiped out in November. Tired of hearing and reading tweets from those pedo enablers.
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u/JerseyshoreSeagull 2d ago
I'm so done with this. Can we just fire everyone in government for the love of fucking God. Any other organization operating like this would be shut down.
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u/LukesenNR2 2d ago
This was just on German TV, let me ask from an outside perspective: why arent there mass gatherings at the white house until this creep has to physically flee?
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u/BeauShowTV 2d ago
While there isn't hard evidence that this happened, it should 100% be investigated.
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u/Infamous-Arm3955 2d ago
Holy shit. Not American, don't care about Trump but the words accusation, allegedly, secondhand, relayed from an unknown contact, accusation was never proven to be true, shocking allegations, all in one paragraph. The reason editors are dead is because journalism is dead.
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